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Thread: A huge individual gaming gripe is similar in comparison to the national election

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    I have played blackjack for decades and up to two years ago was assured with at least one part of the integrity of the game, I was playing against a full shoe every time I played. Why? When changing cards they came right out of freshly sealed boxes and spread in perfect sequence on the felt and also checked on both sides before washing. I never once felt this was a waste of time but always double-checked the dealer on my own. This procedure went to the integrity of the game and for at least that part I did not give it a second thought. Some casinos now consider that a waste of time and money and present pre-shuffled cards "mixed somewhere else" from a large box that is already ready for play, giving the player something else to think about.

    This small example of lack of respect for blackjack players is bad enough, but when you have all the numerous possibilities of human error in a national election is now taking things too extreme. Sixty million people need assurance on the integrity of the election which was not provided, how the hell is there supposed to be any kind of satisfaction for acceptance of loss from what the hell is going on now. What the fuck, is the country now some kind of banana republic?

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    Originally Posted by BoSox View Post
    What the fuck, is the country now some kind of banana republic?
    You nailed it Bosox. https://www.eastbaytimes.com/2020/11...-night-before/

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    You are a little late to the party.
    ZenKing has been crying about this for a few years now.
    He even claimed he was going to do bad things to many different Vegas Casinos.

    Elections have always been rigged in one way or another.
    People used to vote 4 or 5 times changing hats and what not.
    I'm not sure integrity actually exists in the world.

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    Originally Posted by BoSox View Post
    I have played blackjack for decades and up to two years ago was assured with at least one part of the integrity of the game, I was playing against a full shoe every time I played. Why? When changing cards they came right out of freshly sealed boxes and spread in perfect sequence on the felt and also checked on both sides before washing. I never once felt this was a waste of time but always double-checked the dealer on my own. This procedure went to the integrity of the game and for at least that part I did not give it a second thought. Some casinos now consider that a waste of time and money and present pre-shuffled cards "mixed somewhere else" from a large box that is already ready for play, giving the player something else to think about.

    This small example of lack of respect for blackjack players is bad enough, but when you have all the numerous possibilities of human error in a national election is now taking things too extreme. Sixty million people need assurance on the integrity of the election which was not provided, how the hell is there supposed to be any kind of satisfaction for acceptance of loss from what the hell is going on now. What the fuck, is the country now some kind of banana republic?
    I don't see the comparison between the two topics, other than I will say transparency is almost always a good thing and should be encouraged. So I will address these two topics separately.

    I don't quite get why you guys are insisting on some sort of conspiracy, other than that you are following the lead of a guy who has embraced conspiracy theories his whole life in Donald Trump.

    So here are the facts, since I became of age to vote 20 years ago, Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania have been considered swings states. Do you know what that means? It means they are very close and can easily swing either way? So in 2016, these long time swing states, swung republican by the slimmest of margins. Nobody found THAT all that unusual. I didn't read any conspiracy theories that the republican governors of Wisconsin and Michigan at the time, stole the election. The states swung by the narrowest of margins, a fraction of 1%. Absolutely nothing unusual.

    So 2020, these 3 swing states (remember the definition of swing state) swung back democratic by similar, even smaller margins, and all of the sudden there has to be some sort of foul play. Quite the contrary, had, the 200,000, 300,000 and 600000 margins that appeared on election night NOT swung back to very slim margins, THAT would have been suspicious, not that it did return to razor thin margins.

    Bosox, as blackjack players we measure results by standard deviations in regard to where they fall vs expectation. These results are are almost spot on expectation, not even a fraction of a standard deviation off. It is the results that showed up on election night that would have been more than 3 standard deviations off, meaning extreme and suspicious.

    Donald trump won the slimmest of elections in 2016 and lost the slimmest of elections in 2020. Where is the great conspiracy theory? Good lord!

    Now, I am not a fan of mail in voting. It was ok, during a pandemic, but it isn't something we should go to permanently as there is potential for fraud. Even within families. What if several people in a family have no interest in voting and/or don't want to be bothered, so one family member gets to vote 4 or 5 times?



    As for the casino industry cutting corners on integrity, that has become a major concern of mine as well. I'll be honest, I laughed at Zenking when he first started talking about "chinese cards" and such, but casinos eliminating the spreading of cards for the sake of saving a few minutes at the cost of integrity is preposterous.

    I very rarely look for or will sit through a changing of the cards. BUT, when a players results at a location, gets to the point that it is several standard deviations from expectation, you want to be able to view the opening of tables just to rule that out. If I have results that are suspicious to me and several standard deviations off expectation, as I did this year, and I can't rule out shorting the deck, then my only option is to remove that game from my rotation, which I did this year. That is exactly why that procedure was put in, so players can rule out wrong-doing and feel comfortable with the game.
    Last edited by kewlJ; 11-06-2020 at 10:36 PM.

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    Pre-shuffled cards aren't just used for blackjack. Some casinos use them for every table card games. And we've never had an issue with them.

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    Hahhahahaha!! The KJocchio libtards are now screaming "what fraud? There's no fraud!!!" How soon they forget. 4 years ago they were screaming that the Russians fixed the election for Donald Trump.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

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    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Hahhahahaha!! The KJocchio libtards are now screaming "what fraud? There's no fraud!!!" How soon they forget. 4 years ago they were screaming that the Russians fixed the election for Donald Trump.
    The claim was that the Russians INFLUENCED the election.

    No one claimed they FIXED the election.

    As for Pennsylvania I remember when a few friends from that state voted for Trump in 2016. I asked why and they all replied pretty much similar. The system needed a shakeup and Trump was an outsider.

    None of them were familiar with his lunacy in NY. Of course they were all familiar with his television show.

    And they all said if results under Trump were not phenomenal (not just usual but phenomenal) then they would vote different in 2020.

    I also personally know a few people who didn't vote in 2016 but did in 2020 because they were anti-trump

    So, it should not be a surprise the vote went the way it did in these swing states.

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    Originally Posted by Darkoz View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Hahhahahaha!! The KJocchio libtards are now screaming "what fraud? There's no fraud!!!" How soon they forget. 4 years ago they were screaming that the Russians fixed the election for Donald Trump.
    The claim was that the Russians INFLUENCED the election.

    No one claimed they FIXED the election.

    As for Pennsylvania I remember when a few friends from that state voted for Trump in 2016. I asked why and they all replied pretty much similar. The system needed a shakeup and Trump was an outsider.

    None of them were familiar with his lunacy in NY. Of course they were all familiar with his television show.

    And they all said if results under Trump were not phenomenal (not just usual but phenomenal) then they would vote different in 2020.

    I also personally know a few people who didn't vote in 2016 but did in 2020 because they were anti-trump

    So, it should not be a surprise the vote went the way it did in these swing states.
    What comes around goes around.
    If Biden gets sworn in, he will be next for the constant barrage from the Republicans.
    Hard to stoop to the level of the Democrats though.
    Since they own most of the Media.

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    Biden just got the most votes of any U.S. President in history, and over 4 million more votes than Trump. Everyone should be dancing in the streets expressing their joy that the wicked witch will soon be gone.


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    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Hahhahahaha!! The KJocchio libtards are now screaming "what fraud? There's no fraud!!!" How soon they forget. 4 years ago they were screaming that the Russians fixed the election for Donald Trump.
    You people still can't think for yourself. I see this claimed repeatedly. Democrats complained about Russian interference in social media. That is not anywhere near the same thing as saying the election itself was rigged/fixed. Get it through your thick skull if you can manage to start thinking for yourself now that Trump will no longer be your President.
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    It is a bit ironic the complaints about foreign countries using social media to influence election results while those social media companies themselves blatantly influenced this election, and our country meddles in the election process of dozens of countries on a routine basis. Russia wanted Trump China wanted a Democrat. What was the big deal, other than just throwing a childish tantrum when things don’t go someone’s way?

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    Originally Posted by mcap View Post
    It is a bit ironic the complaints about foreign countries using social media to influence election results while those social media companies themselves blatantly influenced this election, and our country meddles in the election process of dozens of countries on a routine basis. Russia wanted Trump China wanted a Democrat. What was the big deal, other than just throwing a childish tantrum when things don’t go someone’s way?
    I didn't see that many childish tantrums. I don't disagree that we don't meddle and such, but that doesn't mean we should accept it from other countries. Also - social media is a relatively new thing that has really taken over in the past 10 years. Add that with the history of Russia and yes it should be pointed out. Also, it should never be acceptable that a foreign entity is making back channel deals with a Presidential candidate. I don't know if this happened or not but my point is it shouldn't be excusable. The Golden Trump Excuse ie 'someone else did it sometime in the past therefore it is ok Trump does it' doesn't hold water with a lot of people.

    look, here's the deal. I'm the most diabolical sock-puppet ever made. If I can do and manipulate people just think what the Russians managed to do. I did it all from my parent's basement. Whatcha think about that?
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    Show me one person here who will be better off under Biden than Trump.

    And exactly why?

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    Originally Posted by accountinquestion View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Hahhahahaha!! The KJocchio libtards are now screaming "what fraud? There's no fraud!!!" How soon they forget. 4 years ago they were screaming that the Russians fixed the election for Donald Trump.
    You people still can't think for yourself. I see this claimed repeatedly. Democrats complained about Russian interference in social media. That is not anywhere near the same thing as saying the election itself was rigged/fixed. Get it through your thick skull if you can manage to start thinking for yourself now that Trump will no longer be your President.
    Village idiot. You're the one that can't think or do for yourself. The gubment will do it for you. You can't even wipe your own ass. Gubment do it for you.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

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    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post
    Show me one person here who will be better off under Biden than Trump.
    Hunter Biden.
    And exactly why?

    He will now get much larger pay to play paychecks from foreign entities like China than he did under trump and all past, current and future criminal transgressions will be disminssed

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    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by accountinquestion View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Hahhahahaha!! The KJocchio libtards are now screaming "what fraud? There's no fraud!!!" How soon they forget. 4 years ago they were screaming that the Russians fixed the election for Donald Trump.
    You people still can't think for yourself. I see this claimed repeatedly. Democrats complained about Russian interference in social media. That is not anywhere near the same thing as saying the election itself was rigged/fixed. Get it through your thick skull if you can manage to start thinking for yourself now that Trump will no longer be your President.
    Village idiot. You're the one that can't think or do for yourself. The gubment will do it for you. You can't even wipe your own ass. Gubment do it for you.
    How are all those socialized programs you're on going?

    A guy like you benefits more from Biden more than I will during next 4 years. Book it.
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    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post
    Show me one person here who will be better off under Biden than Trump.
    Hunter Biden.
    And exactly why?

    He will now get much larger pay to play paychecks from foreign entities like China than he did under trump and all past, current and future criminal transgressions will be disminssed
    That’s a given. Dude has been smoking rock all fall dreaming of this day.

    I was thinking more about people posting on here.

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    Don’t let anyone tell you the American dream is dead. The likely next democratic presidential candidate got where she is today on her knees and on her back, hard work can still pay off.

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    Originally Posted by mcap View Post
    Don’t let anyone tell you the American dream is dead. The likely next democratic presidential candidate got where she is today on her knees and on her back, hard work can still pay off.
    I wonder if her husband tastes all those cocks when he kisses her?

    He is obviously a cuck, no way he keeps her happy.

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