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    https://www.tahoedailytribune.com/ne...-under-control

    Put this here because it involves casinos possibly closing. Love how this guy threatens his own citizens. No one ever answers what shutting down will accomplish other than financially hurting businesses. We tried that and it didn’t work. The virus doesn’t just “go away”, and yea I know Trump said it will.

    Meanwhile we are living life in free America Florida. No masks and no more cases per capita than the restriction states.

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    If they shut down again the only conclusion you can draw is that it is by design to destroy small businesses. This idiot never even banned smoking in the casinos. That's the only people I see wearing masks hanging off one ear while blowing COVID smoke all over the place. Meanwhile you have employees running around flipping out if someone is in a high limit room all by themself and their mask slips off their nose.

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    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post
    If they shut down again the only conclusion you can draw is that it is by design to destroy small businesses. This idiot never even banned smoking in the casinos. That's the only people I see wearing masks hanging off one ear while blowing COVID smoke all over the place. Meanwhile you have employees running around flipping out if someone is in a high limit room all by themself and their mask slips off their nose.
    Maybe he is trying to destroy Biden re-election chances.

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    First, Boz is wrong when he says the first shutdown didn't work...it did work! The goal was not to stop the virus, that would be unachievable. The goal was to slow the spread and flatten the curve so that hospitals and medical personnel were not overrun. They absolutely achieved that.

    Think back to New York in April. Hospitals were overrun. There wasn't enough hospital beds, there wasn't enough medical personnel. There wasn't enough space to store the dead bodies....trucks had to be brought in. AND they had the advantage that this spike was not occurring everywhere at the same time, so medical people, doctors and nurses from other parts of the country bravely went to New York to help out. I mean if hospitals are over run everywhere, there is no "pool" of doctors and nurses to move around.

    And we are on the verge of that being overrun everywhere or at least many places at the same time. Multiple cities in Texas, like el Paso are out of hospital beds and have multiple refrigerator trucks set up as morgue. And it is not just major cities, high population areas, states like Utah, The Dakotas, Montana are all being overrun right now. We are on the verge of rationing care. You get treated....you dont.

    The shutdown in the spring, worked. It reversed the trend, at the time, bough time. The curve flattened just as expected before spikes again after re-opening. Now you can argue there was a high price to pay as far as the economy....too high, but you can't say it didn't work.

    Personally, I think it was the right call at the time, but we learn from it and I am not in favor of a second total shutdown even though that may be what is needed to bridge us to the day vaccines are readily available a few months from now. I am not in favor of a total shutdown, but I am in favor of temporary restrictions of certain businesses and activities that common sense tells you are most dangerous, Bars, indoor restaurants and I dare say casinos are among them, as well as indoor concerts and sporting events. You just have to halt these things until spring when hopefully we will be in a far different position with a vaccine.

    And yeah, restaurant and bar owners are going to be hurt. We can afford to help them through it for a very temporary time. It isn't like last spring when who knew when the end of any actions would be. The end is in sight, we just have to get there.

    This is American. We have dead bodies piling up in the streets or in the refrigerated trucks. And it is about to get a whole lot worse almost everywhere. It doesn't have to be that way. Like I said, the end is in sight. Lets get there with minimal loss of life and we can do that with just a little sacrifice. No not shutdown locked up in your home, but come on, can we all not do without eating in restaurants and sitting at a bar drinking for a short time, while we get to that end point that is in sight.

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    We have bodies piling up in the streets? I must have missed that.

    We were told masks would contain the Vid. Next to nobody wears them in Florida yet the cases are around the same as states where they are required and they get 90% (estimate) compliance. I do think we probably agree the masks people are wearing are a joke.

    I know I always compare Florida to PA, but I’m very familiar with both so my experiences are first hand. I’ve been back in PA 3 times in the past month so I know how restrictive it is.

    In Florida, the bars and restaurants are open 100% and are packed with lines on the weekends at the hot spots. Most people don’t wear masks when entering and the establishments don’t push it. They are open from 7AM to 2AM. In PA, no bar seating, 25-50% indoor seating and closed at 10PM with masks required when not seated. Bars without food licenses are still closed and many will never reopen. Those are undisputed facts.

    Yet for the past 3 weeks, the numbers are close to the same when you consider the population difference. I certainly don’t have the answers but there is nothing that shows a lockdown will work other than a 99% lockdown with only grocery stores open. Close every restaurant, even for take out. Close Lowe’s and Home Depot, etc. But we all know Americans don’t have the appetite or money to do that. And even liberal politicians don’t have the will or the public on their side.

    At least you believe “the end is in sight”, you have more confidence than most a vaccine will be readily available for every American that wants it soon. And I still believe many won’t take it right away.

    Start living or start dying. Anyone that gives us spending the Holidays with family and friends is giving up time together they might regret later for the possibility of a virus that still isn’t a major risk to 99.9% of us. I know you will come back with the “we don’t know the long term effects” answer. What we do know if we will all die at some point. And no one should ever take tomorrow for granted. Meanwhile I’ll keep playing the odds and living my life. I hope others will still have that option as well if they want it.

    8 months and still not a Zombie sighting yet.
    Last edited by The Boz; 11-12-2020 at 01:33 PM.

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    Boz, I am happy your decisions, some that I believe are reckless, have worked out for you or probably more acuately, haven't caught up to you. I hope that continues and you and yours remain healthy.

    But the fact is that this is a deadly airborne virus...more easily spread by people being in close proximity to one another, particularly in indoor situation.

    Masks HELP. No one or at least no one credible said masks were the solution, especially the masks most people use and the manner they use them. They help reduce spread...thats all.

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    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Boz, I am happy your decisions, some that I believe are reckless, have worked out for you or probably more acuately, haven't caught up to you. I hope that continues and you and yours remain healthy.

    But the fact is that this is a deadly airborne virus...more easily spread by people being in close proximity to one another, particularly in indoor situation.

    Masks HELP. No one or at least no one credible said masks were the solution, especially the masks most people use and the manner they use them. They help reduce spread...thats all.
    You are absolutely correct. But others will twist and turn, not just this but many things in their lives they twist and turn to suit what they believe or what they want people to believe for whatever reason. It's as old as politics and it's as old as mankind.

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    Who was that swamp creature that said masks are more effective than a vaccine? Here in Rhode Island mask compliance is sky high. I'm one of the 1% not drinking the kool-ade. Our numbers are way up in spite of high compliance. Could have more to do with the change of seasons than anything else. You don't hear about this state as much because we're so small but our governor Gina Hitler (a woman no less) is as bad as Cuomo in N.Y. (emotionally also a woman) 80% of deaths in R.I. are in nursing /veteran homes.
    Take off that stupid mask you big baby.

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    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Boz, I am happy your decisions, some that I believe are reckless, have worked out for you or probably more acuately, haven't caught up to you. I hope that continues and you and yours remain healthy.

    But the fact is that this is a deadly airborne virus...more easily spread by people being in close proximity to one another, particularly in indoor situation.

    Masks HELP. No one or at least no one credible said masks were the solution, especially the masks most people use and the manner they use them. They help reduce spread...thats all.
    The exact point of my post is that the numbers are showing Masks are not making a difference in the places where compliance is required and high. The numbers don't make sense if they help even a little.

    And I don't fear getting the "Vid. I could be proven wrong and die if/when I get it. Or I could be like the 99%+ of people that are not "high risk" and get over it quickly. I might of had it, I did take an antibodies test in early summer when they first came out and it said I didn't. But reports are those early tests were not that accurate. Who knows because so many have it and get right over it.

    And I still believe most healthy people would never know they had it if it wasn't for all the testing. I just don't fear it and won't let it change how I live my life and the odds and numbers say I am right. And isn't the odds and numbers what most of us on here believe? Anytime a new clown comes to any of these forums with claims that don't make mathematical sense, they get their ass handed to them. And these are guys saying they are beating games with small house edges. Covid is the same to me, just living my life and playing the odds that show me with a huge edge.

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    Originally Posted by quahaug View Post
    Who was that swamp creature that said masks are more effective than a vaccine? Here in Rhode Island mask compliance is sky high. I'm one of the 1% not drinking the kool-ade. Our numbers are way up in spite of high compliance. Could have more to do with the change of seasons than anything else. You don't hear about this state as much because we're so small but our governor Gina Hitler (a woman no less) is as bad as Cuomo in N.Y. (emotionally also a woman) 80% of deaths in R.I. are in nursing /veteran homes.
    Nice Zingers in this post!

    Its more difficult to catch this thing compared to what people think or say.
    The odds of dying from it are very slim.
    Utah said that if you have someone infected at home your odds are only 12% to catch it.
    The problem is that most of us are sheep and the media has sold most of us on the idea that we are all going to catch it and die.
    And it does appear that big business is using the politicians to destroy small business.
    Honestly though, small business has been on its hind legs for some time now.
    This is just the final blow.

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    I only know one person who had it, my niece. My brother and sister in law didn't catch it even at their advanced age and close proximity.
    Take off that stupid mask you big baby.

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    By the way my niece is still with us too.
    Take off that stupid mask you big baby.

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    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post
    Anytime a new clown comes to any of these forums with claims that don't make mathematical sense, they get their ass handed to them. And these are guys saying they are beating games with small house edges. Covid is the same to me, just living my life and playing the odds that show me with a huge edge.
    That is right Boz, and that is because these claims defy the mathematics. And with covid or any health issue it is about math and science. And what some of you guys believe or at least claim defies the math and science.

    Alex Azar, what is his title health and human services I think, was just on CNN and had some astonishing things to say. This just happened minutes ago, so I haven't been able to find a link to share yet, but hopefully there will be one soon. So Azar, obviously appointed by Trump and one of those guys that has shared and repeated Trump claims had some interesting things to say. #1. he references a study by CDC proving that two people standing 1 meter apart (that is about 3 feet right), if both are wearing a mask, it reduces transmission 70%. Doesn't eliminate it, but reduces by more than 2/3's. This is our government, Trump's government saying this.

    The second thing I found pretty amazing is Azar just said, certain behaviors and the example he used was eating out in restaurant's and bars increase transmission of this virus. Alex Azar said this! I promise you I will get the link as soon as CNN puts it up. Look the election is over. Trump long ago gave up on this virus, long ago gave up on science and math because he thought it was better for his re-election chance. That election is over. Let's get back to math and science and reality. And common sense!

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    Originally Posted by Darkoz View Post
    I don't need to hide at home.

    I live in NYC where masks wearing is the law
    Funny how all these Enthusiastic Germans claimed they were against Hitler after Germany lost the war.
    Wear your mask or else!


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    Here ya go....video just released. Check out 1:50 in. "Masks work!"

    https://www.cnn.com/videos/health/20...st-cdc-vpx.cnn

    This is a Trump guy! Trump Government! Time to let the insanity go and get back to reality. Get back to science and math.

    The end of this nightmare is in sight. We can all get there!
    Last edited by kewlJ; 11-12-2020 at 05:50 PM.

  17. #17
    Originally Posted by quahaug View Post
    By the way my niece is still with us too.
    And so are all of us here on VCT who have been debating back and forth regarding if Covid is actually a threat to most people.

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    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post
    We have bodies piling up in the streets? I must have missed that.
    Yea, most of the refrigerated trucks were in parking lots. So not really the streets.

    Oh wait, this is sorta a piling up in the streets. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/29/n...ronavirus.html Granted, the corpses were in trucks parked on the street. I'd give KJ a partial truth on that claim. But hey, it all worked out in FL apparently so ignore everywhere else.

    So many variables with this thing it is very difficult to know whats going on.
    Last edited by accountinquestion; 11-13-2020 at 01:30 AM.
    It is official. Redietz will never be on Dan Druff's podcast. "too much integrity"

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    If bodies are "piling up" in Dem-run cities then those places are being cleansed. Masks have nothing to do with any of it. Newsome wants his fellow California flakes to put them on in between bites at meals. What an idiot.

    Nobody anybody knows in my neighborhood here has it and most who do have it in Phx. according to the news have a simple short-lived cold. The flu is far worse. It's become a joke. Small businesses are dropping like flies and politicians don't care. Now another scare. So this time I joined the fun and have roomfulls of paper goods at both houses in town. That's how stupid this all is. If they want us to believe it's every man for himself and survival of the fittest then I'll show them how good I am at that stuff.

    Science my ass.

  20. #20
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    If bodies are "piling up" in Dem-run cities then those places are being cleansed.
    And then righties wonder why they get compared to Hitler and the Nazis all the time.

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