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  1. #41
    Quote by BoSox: "There are no free rides for people who go to the casino for entertainment purposes."

    Now there's some words of wisdom. You must have earned a Doctorate studying the casino business.

    Other than local free shows available in everyone's village, could you give a list of some places where I could go for some free ride entertainment similar to what casinos offer?

  2. #42
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Blackhole, the level of your lunacy knows no bounds. By your logic it's better to lose....because if you win then all you did was scrape up a few AP bucks. Stupid ass logic but hey, to each his own. Your way of gambling is just ass backwards.
    This is the expected response you get from a fucking idiot. It’s amazing how some members here look up to such a fucking fool who will twist, lie, and try to turn anything and everything said in an effort to fit his narrative.

    Of course, winning overrules every other possible outcome after a casino visit. It’s especially good when winning after they spent thousands on you trying to get your money. Of course, everyone knows they’ll get you in the long run.

    From what I learned reading these forums, AP’ing for a living is a committed full-time career choice. There could be bad days, weeks, months, and sometime years of bad variance before things get back on track. You need full-time money, time, and patients to keep everything in its place to earn a living from it. There might be some very wealthy AP’s out there like Darkie and Axelass who already won so much money and now with such big bankrolls any negative variance regardless how long, could never take their bankroll down.

    These types of AP’s will always drain the casinos of money till the day they die. Besides casinos will never catch on about promotions, casino card maneuvers, free comps, etc., they continue to offer the very same people that are making millions off them. Regardless how much information the casinos are offered about AP plays from AP’s like Shank, Eliot, and all the rest that get mentioned here who are willing to join the dark side, the casinos just don’t seem to care. What makes an AP go to the dark side anyhow? My conclusion is there’s only one no doubt obvious answer.

    There are many other obstacles that seem to be getting in the way for AP’s. Trying to get on a must pay machine at the right time when 20 other teams are monitoring the few selected machines 24/7.

    I’m sure Monet could offer many more obstacles then I’m even aware off. He’s the only full-time Las Vegas AP here that tells it like it is.

    So, back to my point I was trying to make in my previous post which fuck-nuts tried to twist up.

    If you have a full-time job or business, don’t live close to casinos, is AP’ing worth the time and effort to be a weekend warrior? Let’s assume you could even get on a certain machine that could earn 15 - 20 dollars an hour, is it really worth it? What happens when you don’t earn but instead lose? I’m not saying because of this you should go to a casino with the intentions of gambling like a drunken sailor. Nothing wrong with playing for some free comp money and burgers. But that’s got to be your thing. I’m sure that could be viewed as a different type of casino entertainment. But you’re not going to make a living from it.

    Just because I didn’t choose to pursue AP’ing a casino for money or the cost of a burger and fries, instead just used them as an entertainment pit stop regardless the outcome doesn’t make me a fool. The fact that I was able to afford that level of entertainment whatever the cost, is what drives you 2-bit AP’s up a wall. Spending a week-end in suites with my wife and more concerned with the food and entertainment available then being in the casino is far different then AP’ing fulltime in a filthy, shitty, noisy shit-hole. I have pity for the people forced to do it. From what I’m reading it’s a backstabbing throat cutting business for the ones living in it and doing it 24/7.

    If you’re making a living doing it, good for you. You deserve every penny you make.

  3. #43
    [QUOTE=blackhole;116726]
    Originally Posted by BoSox View Post
    Originally Posted by blackhole;116704]

    I guess that makes me fortunate always being able to view and treat casinos as pure entertainment win or lose.

    Yes, it does! I say that puts you in the top 1% of the people who visit the casino, it also puts you way ahead of many advantage players who have to show up for work when they often don't want to.
    Blackhole wrote:

    I think you placing me in the 1% bracket comparing people who visit the casino for entertainment is foolish and just another case of you just trying to make another false not true point while pretending to post known facts. 80% of all casinos gross income is from slot play. Since AP’s know how to win slot money, they certainly couldn’t be part of the 80% casino slot income. It’s the busloads of daily visitors the weekend or week long visitors who just know how to play slots and are having a ball doing it. Most are expecting to lose. The other 20% comes from assorted players. That would be everything between slot players and whales.

    Please stop making a fool of yourself.
    I was complimenting you and you do not even realize it. The reason I put you in the top 1% and is NOT foolish on your part is that you supposedly have your priorities in order and can actually afford a luxury gaming vacation. The busloads of people that go to the casino do not expect to win may in fact be enjoying themselves until they are back on the bus heading home. A large percentage of these people often overextend their gaming budget.
    Last edited by BoSox; 12-01-2020 at 08:02 AM.

  4. #44
    Originally Posted by blackhole View Post
    Quote by BoSox: "There are no free rides for people who go to the casino for entertainment purposes."

    Now there's some words of wisdom. You must have earned a Doctorate studying the casino business.

    Other than local free shows available in everyone's village, could you give a list of some places where I could go for some free ride entertainment similar to what casinos offer?
    You need to learn how to read and reason you, stupid idiot.
    Last edited by BoSox; 12-01-2020 at 08:14 AM.

  5. #45
    Originally Posted by BoSox View Post
    Originally Posted by blackhole View Post
    Quote by BoSox: "There are no free rides for people who go to the casino for entertainment purposes."

    Now there's some words of wisdom. You must have earned a Doctorate studying the casino business.

    Other than local free shows available in everyone's village, could you give a list of some places where I could go for some free ride entertainment similar to what casinos offer?
    You need to learn how to read and reason you, stupid idiot.
    Everyone that read my post above knew exactly what I meant based on the conversations that let up to it, including you.

    Yet, just like Mickey instead of responding to what you know I meant, you had to take the opportunity to troll with this response: “You need to learn how to read and reason you, stupid idiot.”

    Fucking pathetic loser troll ….

  6. #46
    Originally Posted by blackhole View Post
    Originally Posted by BoSox View Post
    Originally Posted by blackhole View Post
    Quote by BoSox: "There are no free rides for people who go to the casino for entertainment purposes."

    Now there's some words of wisdom. You must have earned a Doctorate studying the casino business.

    Other than local free shows available in everyone's village, could you give a list of some places where I could go for some free ride entertainment similar to what casinos offer?
    You need to learn how to read and reason you, stupid idiot.

    Yet, just like Mickey instead of responding to what you know I meant, you had to take the opportunity to troll with this response: “You need to learn how to read and reason you, stupid idiot.”

    Fucking pathetic loser troll ….
    I responded with slang after you did in post #42 when you wrote:

    So, back to my point I was trying to make in my previous post which fuck-nuts tried to twist up.

    As far as you calling me a fucking loser troll, I am not like you with all the insecurity issues, so I do not need to respond to that shit.

  7. #47
    Originally Posted by blackhole View Post
    The fact that I was able to afford that level of entertainment whatever the cost, is what drives you 2-bit AP’s up a wall.
    Blackhole, I cannot speak for anyone else here (obviously), but nothing you do or write drives me up a wall. You can go do jumping jacks in the park or take a dump in the street; I could care less.

  8. #48
    [QUOTE=BoSox;116748]

    I responded with slang after you did in post #42 when you wrote:

    So, back to my point I was trying to make in my previous post which fuck-nuts tried to twist up.

    That fuck-nuts was direct at Mickey who constantly curses me out. Fool

  9. #49
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    Blackhole, I cannot speak for anyone else here (obviously), but nothing you do or write drives me up a wall. You can go do jumping jacks in the park or take a dump in the street; I could care less.
    At least there is one person in this place that sees things for what they really are.

  10. #50
    Originally Posted by BoSox View Post
    What do some of the members think of the late Howard Schwartz who was the marketing director at the Gamblers Book Club for 31 years? He also wrote:

    A casino pit management and supervisor training manual.

    Also, he wrote:

    A card counter course for casino pit boss and floor supervisor.

    Years ago I actually visited that store on Charleston and 11th many times before they moved.
    I used to shop there quite a bit. He had the good books but 90% were trash like John Patrick and Avery Cardoza.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  11. #51
    [QUOTE=blackhole;116784]
    Originally Posted by BoSox View Post

    I responded with slang after you did in post #42 when you wrote:

    So, back to my point I was trying to make in my previous post which fuck-nuts tried to twist up.

    That fuck-nuts was direct at Mickey who constantly curses me out. Fool
    Thats because you constantly cuss me out. Just retaliation. WTF do you think this is, your birthday? You don't get a pass. Fuck with me and I'm damn sure gonna fuck with you. Now go shit in the parking lot, loser.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  12. #52
    Originally Posted by BoSox View Post
    What do some of the members think of the late Howard Schwartz who was the marketing director at the Gamblers Book Club for 31 years? He also wrote:

    A casino pit management and supervisor training manual.

    Also, he wrote:

    A card counter course for casino pit boss and floor supervisor.

    Years ago I actually visited that store on Charleston and 11th many times before they moved.
    And don't forget--Howard and his shop are my book publishers. Their clairvoyance to recognize excellence in gambling achieved industry apex at that point in time.

    Oh----Howard is alive, well, and we talked last evening. Continued "Undeniable Truth", as it always has been. Not sure where you got that rumor.

  13. #53
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Originally Posted by BoSox View Post
    What do some of the members think of the late Howard Schwartz who was the marketing director at the Gamblers Book Club for 31 years? He also wrote:

    A casino pit management and supervisor training manual.

    Also, he wrote:

    A card counter course for casino pit boss and floor supervisor.

    Years ago I actually visited that store on Charleston and 11th many times before they moved.
    And don't forget--Howard and his shop are my book publishers. Their clairvoyance to recognize excellence in gambling achieved industry apex at that point in time.

    Oh----Howard is alive, well, and we talked last evening. Continued "Undeniable Truth", as it always has been. Not sure where you got that rumor.
    Sorry, excuse me. I had the wrong person's obituary, I thought there was only one Howard Schwartz.
    Last edited by BoSox; 12-02-2020 at 03:48 PM.

  14. #54
    Originally Posted by BoSox View Post
    Sorry, excuse me. I had the wrong person's obituary, I thought there was only one Howard Schwartz.
    Nothing new ... you're always talking out of your ass.

  15. #55
    Originally Posted by blackhole View Post
    Originally Posted by BoSox View Post
    Sorry, excuse me. I had the wrong person's obituary, I thought there was only one Howard Schwartz.
    Nothing new ... you're always talking out of your ass.
    Never too late for a kind gesture, eh Blackhole?

  16. #56
    Blackhole,

    When I get on must hit machines it's for a lot more than $15-20 an hour, profit, lol.

    My last two sessions, I made $8,000 in five hours the first session and $11,000 profit in five hours the second session.

    Quite a bit more than $15-20!

  17. #57
    Originally Posted by BoSox View Post
    Never too late for a kind gesture, eh Blackhole?

    You're right BoSox, that was a cheap shot by me. I'm sorry.

  18. #58
    Originally Posted by Darkoz View Post
    Blackhole,

    When I get on must hit machines it's for a lot more than $15-20 an hour, profit, lol.

    My last two sessions, I made $8,000 in five hours the first session and $11,000 profit in five hours the second session.

    Quite a bit more than $15-20!
    I’m surprised you even play those machines at all. With your kind of money, I thought those type of numbers would be to petty for 10 hours of your time.

    I also think your confusing what I said about must hit machines and having a real career far away from casinos and trying to AP on weekends. My reference to $15-$20 per hour machines had nothing to do with must hit games.

    I think in your anxiousness to post some more winnings for everyone to read how clever you are, you didn’t comprehend what I said. 19K in 2 sessions not that impressive for you. Thought you said your doing about 40K per week average.

    When will you realize how pathetic your claims are? My AP team and I made over 6.5 million net after taxes in less than 2 months. Your wins are our tip money.

    Did you buy your own bus yet?

  19. #59
    Originally Posted by blackhole View Post
    Originally Posted by Darkoz View Post
    Blackhole,

    When I get on must hit machines it's for a lot more than $15-20 an hour, profit, lol.

    My last two sessions, I made $8,000 in five hours the first session and $11,000 profit in five hours the second session.

    Quite a bit more than $15-20!
    I’m surprised you even play those machines at all. With your kind of money, I thought those type of numbers would be to petty for 10 hours of your time.

    I also think your confusing what I said about must hit machines and having a real career far away from casinos and trying to AP on weekends. My reference to $15-$20 per hour machines had nothing to do with must hit games.

    I think in your anxiousness to post some more winnings for everyone to read how clever you are, you didn’t comprehend what I said. 19K in 2 sessions not that impressive for you. Thought you said your doing about 40K per week average.

    When will you realize how pathetic your claims are? My AP team and I made over 6.5 million net after taxes in less than 2 months. Your wins are our tip money.

    Did you buy your own bus yet?
    I said$20,000 per week.

    Must hits for me are my backup plan in case multi-carding ends. An AP they won't say I break any rules for.

    And I admit they are kind of fun. I don't even do the multi-carding myself anymore. Let other people handle that

  20. #60
    Originally Posted by Darkoz View Post
    I said$20,000 per week.

    Must hits for me are my backup plan in case multi-carding ends. An AP they won't say I break any rules for.

    And I admit they are kind of fun. I don't even do the multi-carding myself anymore. Let other people handle that
    So Darkey, who on this forum do you think is the biggest net income AP. You, Axelass, Kewlj, jbjb, Eliot, MickeyCrimm, or whoever else I missed?

    As an outsider looking into the AP world, I can’t help but believe everyone of you are struggling if gambling is your only income. I’m sure there are highs and lows just like any other gambler. Yet, for the most part if anyone of you held the golden goose there is no way you would be on this and other forums talking shit about your success. I don’t pay much attention to the claims and clues AP’s leave on forums, but I’m sure there are others that pay attention and know how to capitalize on your leaks. That’s if anything you say is even true in the first place.

    The fact that the AP’s that talk on these sites the way they do is enough to confirm they just can’t be that fucking stupid, or just don’t care because there’s nothing to lose.

    In the real world of business secrets do exist, and are on a need to know only basis. I couldn’t imagine a forum where business owners (not gamblers) would go back and forth with trade tricks and secrets so everyone on the internet could have the opportunity to water down anyone’s income. I’ve learned things that took me years of mistakes to catch on. I’ve had good and close friends call and ask me if I was familiar with a certain issue I learned after years of experience. My answer was always no idea. You had to be a direct blood relative on the team to get that info. After costing me a ton of time and money to learn I’m not ever giving that info away during one phone call or post on a forum. That information is priceless as far as I’m concerned.

    My opinion is you AP’s live close to the cliff, have zero longtime security, live life never knowing when you’ll be forced into the gutter again, or forced to work at a Mickey D’s. You have to be a fool to read these gambling forums and all the nonsense daily about who makes more than who, who’s a winner who’s a loser, prove this, prove that, then throw in the fact that almost everyone is anonymous; fool would be a generous word to describe anyone that’s buying this bullshit.

    Other than AP’s like Darkie and Axelass who must have so many millions by now the future is already secured between their mattress where nothing matters anymore one way or the other.

    Darkie, how is it you seem to get so many must hit machines in a timely fashion? Does the casino hold them for you when their juicy?

    Everything I discussed above is also irrelevant, since any response will always be viewed as anonymous bullshit. The same bullshit this entire site is based on.

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