Yahtzee!
Still 5 cycles behind on deuces though... ouch!!
Yahtzee!
Still 5 cycles behind on deuces though... ouch!!
Good wording Monet, will be interesting to see, what our resident OCD threadmaster organizer will sayNo need to mention names, everybody knows. 5 cycles for deuces is pretty brutal, are you on par, with the more important royal cycle ?
Nice hit......
I never made 4 deuces but I do expect an avalanche of them eventually.Originally Posted by Ozzy
Good wording Monet, will be interesting to see, what our resident OCD threadmaster organizer will say
Perhaps the professional poker player, USpapergames, can give us some more information on numbers.
Garnabby is USpapergames right?
I can't keep up with all the puppets.
Here is one hand I made which helps...
Great hit Monet. I must confess I play far worse BDW pay tables than your mailer BDW machine by a long shot , but they always have multipliers left on them by previous patrons per the example shown from my old post (https://vegascasinotalk.com/forum/sh...ll=1#post90092 - you wager more than this win in a few minutes on your BDW machine).Originally Posted by monetI never made 4 deuces but I do expect an avalanche of them eventually.Originally Posted by OzzyGood wording Monet, will be interesting to see, what our resident OCD threadmaster organizer will say
Perhaps the professional poker player USpapergames can give us some more information on numbers.
Garnabby is USpapergames right?
Here is one hand I made which helps...
I remember your post as it was right after the re-opening of Casinos in Nevada.Originally Posted by tableplay
I wouldn't get too bogged down on money or numbers.
What you do, that you post about, has no risk.
It takes hard work, dedication and above all else it takes discipline.
In my mind we are the same or the same style.
I still bang out nickel and quarter machines when opportunities arise.
As I have said many times, my sweet spot is 20 dollars an hour.
I have literally played 125 dollars per spin for 4 hours (quarter 100 play machine) and drove across town to play a 3000 dollar royal quarter bonus poker progressives.
I still play full pay quarter deuces with no card because I love it.
I also have no qualms about picking up tickets left in machines, credits left in machines, a penny on the floor or whatever else is going on.
I don't preach all the goody two shoes shit about Casinos.
A dealer overpays me... too fucking bad
If a cashier gives me an extra hundo, I'm keeping it.
Last edited by monet; 12-03-2020 at 10:12 PM.
I agree - we basically have the same style. Yesterday I was picking off penny denom UX multipliers for example.Originally Posted by monetI remember your post as it was right after the re-opening of Casinos in Nevada.Originally Posted by tableplay
I wouldn't get too bogged down on money or numbers.
What you do, that you post about, has no risk.
It takes hard work, dedication and above all else it takes discipline.
In my mind we are the same or the same style.
I still bang out nickel and quarter machines when opportunities arise.
As I have said many times, my sweet spot is 20 dollars an hour.
I have literally played 125 dollars per spin for 4 hours (quarter 100 play machine) and drove across town to play a 3000 dollar royal quarter bonus poker progressives.
I still play full pay quarter deuces with no card because I love it.
I also have no qualms about picking up tickets left in machines, credits left in machines, a penny on the floor or whatever else is going on.
I don't preach all the goody two shoes shit about Casinos.
A dealer overpays me... too fucking bad
If a cashier gives me an extra hundo, I'm keeping it.
Ooh, old Monet is looking for information on numbers.Originally Posted by monet
20,850 = 2 * 3 * 5^2 * 139 = 150*139 = [(40 + 100) + 10]*(-1 + 140) ---> 411_114.
I don't know or of a USgames, but, maybe, he is my mirror image.
Last edited by Garnabby; 12-04-2020 at 11:54 AM.
Ooh, more of Monet's slot machine numbers.
42,200 = 2^3 * 5^2 * 211 = 8*25*211 ---> August 25, 2011.
The first entry at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal...2011_August_25 for stuff that happened on this day, "More than 50 people are killed in an attack on a casino in Monterrey, Nuevo León, Mexico."
Very nicely done Monet, congrats (looking at that pay table, it seems that Thursdays must be a good multiplier day). Good job on bringing new life to this thread also.
No reason to go into all the specifics as I know you know.Originally Posted by tableplay
Technically, you don't even need a point multiplier to play this machine.
For months now I have been getting a 2% mailer from this Casino.
Multiply that by the DarkOz theory and it gets kind of massive with 1600 a month times x amount of players cards.
A few other factors go along with this specific machine.
The play is not for everyone and you have to be able to stomach some serious swings.
You always have larger risk with backside plays that people just don't want to bother with.
In Vegas, it seems Degenerate Gambling is not only Encouraged but Legal!
Although, I have had some problems recently getting cut off of card clubs or asked to not play machines anymore.
Why do they offer these high denomination machines if they don't want anyone to play them?
I guess they put them out for profiling and to trap players
On a related note the Cosmo seems to be a good spot right now as they are sending me some massive mailers.
Who would of figured the Strip would have Full Pay games and Good Mail in 2020??
You might find this interesting about my psyche.
I am sitting here thinking how I need to buy a SCAR 17 .308
Which is really sick because I have 2 sniper rifles, 2 assault rifles, 2 shot guns, 5 hand guns...etc etc.
The problem is when you get locked into addiction, the tendency is to push it as far as you can.
I'm literally having a conversation with myself laughing because its like an angel and devil on my shoulders.
You don't need any more guns you nutjob, says the angel.
Of course the devil is like... fuck that... you need more... you need them all!
Last edited by monet; 12-03-2020 at 08:53 PM.
Great stuff Monet - glad you are tearing it up on the AP side. I suppose that is one of the few benefits of the Covid-19 scam - the strip is desperate LOL.Originally Posted by monetNo reason to go into all the specifics as I know you know.Originally Posted by tableplay
Technically, you don't even need a point multiplier to play this machine.
For months now I have been getting a 2% mailer from this Casino.
Multiply that by the DarkOz theory and it gets kind of massive with 1600 a month times x amount of players cards.
A few other factors go along with this specific machine.
The play is not for everyone and you have to be able to stomach some serious swings.
You always have larger risk with backside plays that people just don't want to bother with.
In Vegas, it seems Degenerate Gambling is not only Encouraged but Legal!
Although, I have had some problems recently getting cut off of card clubs or asked to not play machines anymore.
Why do they offer these high denomination machines if they don't want anyone to play them?
I guess they put them out for profiling and to trap players
On a related note the Cosmo seems to be a good spot right now as they are sending me some massive mailers.
Who would of figured the Strip would have Full Pay games and Good Mail in 2020??
You might find this interesting about my psyche.
I am sitting here thinking how I need to buy a SCAR 17 .308
Which is really sick because I have 2 sniper rifles, 2 assault rifles, 2 shot guns, 5 hand guns...etc etc.
The problem is when you get locked into addiction, the tendency is to push it as far as you can.
I'm literally having a conversation with myself laughing because its like an angel and devil on my shoulders.
You don't need any more guns you nutjob, says the angel.
Of course the devil is like... fuck that... you need more... you need them all!
Good for you Monet with those two really nice hits! I do not know if it is appropriate to ask certain questions here or not as I do not want to overstep my bounds by upsetting anyone here, as I will try to keep it basic if I get out of bounds just tell Dan to ban me. Thank you, of course, no one has to respond.Originally Posted by monetNo reason to go into all the specifics as I know you know.Originally Posted by tableplay
Technically, you don't even need a point multiplier to play this machine.
For months now I have been getting a 2% mailer from this Casino.
Multiply that by the DarkOz theory and it gets kind of massive with 1600 a month times x amount of players cards.
A few other factors go along with this specific machine.
The play is not for everyone and you have to be able to stomach some serious swings.
You always have larger risk with backside plays that people just don't want to bother with.
In Vegas, it seems Degenerate Gambling is not only Encouraged but Legal!
Although, I have had some problems recently getting cut off of card clubs or asked to not play machines anymore.
Why do they offer these high denomination machines if they don't want anyone to play them?
I guess they put them out for profiling and to trap players
On a related note the Cosmo seems to be a good spot right now as they are sending me some massive mailers.
Who would of figured the Strip would have Full Pay games and Good Mail in 2020??
I realize the player must reach different qualifying requirements for the mailers to be sent. What does the percentage free mailer itself return entail? Meaning, Is it distributed all in free play that is divided up to use daily or weekly, throughout the month, or distributed all at once which I doubt? Using your above example of a 2% mailer return which was 1600 a month mailer for $80K coin in per card used I think I have this right. You mentioned that the strip has full pay machines, does that mean that with perfect play and 5 coins in the machine itself pays over 100% or over before any mailings involved? As I would not consider a full-pay jacks or better at 99.54% a full pay machine by itself without something else included. My assumption in all of this is that each casino ownership has different mailing offer percentages, and basically that only people that live close by are able to get the most value out of the mailing offers. I have no knowledge of what you and tableplay mentioned regarding video poker games that have point multipliers and apparent bonuses based on this, and that other players or plops leave machines that are in a bonus mode that are worth searching for. I thought only certain slots had features like that not video poker.
Last edited by BoSox; 12-04-2020 at 03:00 PM.
I could answer you directly but I've already gone into lengthy detail, a few times, on this forum.Originally Posted by BoSox
I've had push back and anger for discussing the specific information.
The thread link below is a general answer to your question.
The information is out of date but the fundamental concepts still apply.
Although, you do not consider 99.54% JoB Full Pay, it is considered to be a Full Pay game in the world of Video Poker.
Anyone who actually wants to learn should start small.
Out of State and Local ID matters.
My advice for new players is to do something else like Farming, Camping or anything else.
Stay out of the Casinos.
Save yourself!
Especially with this new Corona wrinkle.
I'm just a stubborn idiot with 29 years of experience that has decided to go down with the ship.
But I actually put my money where my mouth is.
I mean, I don't theorize like the Wizard or others.
I actually am out there, shoving hundred dollar bills into machines, faster than you can imagine lol.
Anyone who is interested, I seen a 3500 dollar jackpot at the Fremont on the Red Hot Sevens.
That's just about the starting point.
Personally, I'm taking some time off till I get itchy again.
I'm trying to figure out how I can safely accept the DarkOz Challenge for New Years!
I mean, Corona is real and people are dying but to be able to follow, talk and win a free dinner from DarkOz is worth the risk.
Below is some old Jackpot Pic to show the game I am talking about.
I've talked about it before in the past.
https://vegascasinotalk.com/forum/sh...713-Hot-Sucker
Last edited by monet; 12-04-2020 at 04:03 PM.
Originally Posted by monet
Ooh, there is an ending at the beginning for the four slot numbers I adapted, from old Monet. It all started with the number in the slot above the post, from https://vegascasinotalk.com/forum/sh...l=1#post110903 . The post was,
"You know what's interesting about the number, 36,614?
Factorization: 2*18,307. The 183rd day is the middle day of the year, July, 2nd, at noon. Actually, I think, if you factor in the leap day, the middle of the year is July, 2nd, at 9 am, depending on what sort of time is used, ie, savings, or not. As well, 2*18 = 36, and, 307 ---> 37, so, 36.614 lies between. Who knows. Ha.
Guess who was born on the 2nd."
To put all of this together.
The first numeral, 4,183.66 ---> 418366 = 2*13*16091 = 26*16091 = [(2 + 6) + 9*2]*16091 = {[(1 + 1) + 6] + 9(1 + 1)}*16091, which may be wrapped around the 16091 as ... + 9(1 + 1)}*16091*{[(1 + 1) + 6] + ... ---> 911_16091_116.
Moreover, also 418366 ---> 4_183_66 contains the centered numeral 183, which, again, may denote the 183rd day of the year, the middle day of the year, July, 2nd. And, 04_183_66 may be written as [sqrt(9) + 1]__61*3__66 = [sqrt(9) + (1 + 1)^0]__(61^1)*sqrt(9)__11*6 ---> 911_6119_116.
Furthermore, note the 1, 3, 6, and 9, digits on the bottom row of the first slot, with 3 = sqrt(9). And, the letters h = 8 = (6 + 2) = [6 + (1 + 1)] ---> 611, and, p = 16 = (10^1 + 6) ---> 116, counting forward in the alphabet, or, h = 19 = (10^1 + 9) ---> 119, and, p = 11 = (9 + 2) = [9 + (1 + 1)] ---> 911, going backward in the alphabet.
Guess who was born in the year, 1961.
Well, with this bit of farting around, while I slept, I think that I have, finally, locked in the final sequence to the dimensions of my theory of everything. I mean, you have to get the mind off something to really and actually solve it.
Last edited by Garnabby; 12-05-2020 at 08:47 AM.
Damn fine hits Monet! Well done...
Thank you Monet. In the earlier post you mentioned you being told not to play certain machines, and I am well familiar with being flat bet, told any other game but, trespassed and told never to come back as well as losing accumulated point balances in the past. Thank you for the link I read it before and will read it again but I will take the clues you just gave me to take a pass on the effort.
Oddly enough, I did see 100% JOB at the Atlantis (Reno) at one time. IIRC, they boosted the straight flush enough to make it 100% (9/6 with a boosted SF). I'm sure other VCT members have probably come across this paytable in bygone years also.
No doubt.Originally Posted by tableplay
I know of a couple 10/6 JoBs still around but its rare.
I know you know all of this.
It's sort of like holding 9/10 suited in certain VP games or a 3 Flush.
People that aren't involved don't get it.
Same thing when you say Full Pay and refer to a game under 100% return.
Technically speaking 8/5 Bonus Poker is Full Pay even though it has a 99.17% return.
I think people confuse the word "Return" with "Full Pay".
Sort of like how some people don't like when VP players say "I flopped a quad."
They want to argue that you were dealt a quad.
It's an obvious disconnect of semantics.
I mean FPDW is 100.76% Return but you refer to the game as Full Pay even though its over 100% Return.
I guess one could argue that its actually an Over Pay Game.
Finding a machine that had "Overpays" were fun back in the era of coins!
Cash-out, Cash-out, Cash-out...
I've told the story before but nobody cares.
A friend of mine figured out how to deflect the coins with a coin so you wouldn't cut up your fingers.
We made a few dollars at the bars in those days.
Those were the days of getting black out drunk and watching my pal throw 4,000 dollars in the streets of Reno.
I think he watched "The only game in town" one too many times.
I've witnessed his real life runs at the dice table going from his case 10k to walking out with 400k back to Flat Out Busted inside of 2 months lol.
If you ever seen that movie about Vegas and Degenerate gambling you might understand.
Warren Beatty makes a paper boat out of a 100 dollar bill and floats it down to the storm drain outside Caesars Palace, if I remember correctly.
Pretty good movie that captures our lifestyle choice.
Interesting note is that he is playing dice exactly where they shot James Caan and his Black Jack run in the Gambler.
The two movies are only about 4 years apart from one another.
Full Movie on Youtube...
Last edited by monet; 12-05-2020 at 04:25 AM.
Thanks Monet, I will watch this one (The Only Game in Town - I've already seen The Gambler and its John Goodman remake). Yes nine-ten suited. One Eyed Jacks has this sort of thing (more often with clubs and diamonds). Definitely a trait of wild card games with two wild cards (double joker poker also has these types of holds of course). And some non-wild card games as you mentioned (USA/All American for example). And then there is the one-card-hold low card shit that you might encounter in a game like two pair joker poker - there would have to be a very good reason for me to study this game and learn it well. Well I'm ranting, you know all of this already.Originally Posted by monetNo doubt.Originally Posted by tableplay
I know of a couple 10/6 JoBs still around but its rare.
I know you know all of this.
It's sort of like holding 9/10 suited in certain VP games or a 3 Flush.
People that aren't involved don't get it.
Same thing when you say Full Pay and refer to a game under 100% return.
Technically speaking 8/5 Bonus Poker is Full Pay even though it has a 99.17% return.
I think people confuse the word "Return" with "Full Pay".
Sort of like how some people don't like when VP players say "I flopped a quad."
They want to argue that you were dealt a quad.
It's an obvious disconnect of semantics.
I mean FPDW is 100.76% Return but you refer to the game as Full Pay even though its over 100% Return.
I guess one could argue that its actually an Over Pay Game.
Finding a machine that had "Overpays" were fun back in the era of coins!
Cash-out, Cash-out, Cash-out...
I've told the story before but nobody cares.
A friend of mine figured out how to deflect the coins with a coin so you wouldn't cut up your fingers.
We made a few dollars at the bars in those days.
Those were the days of getting black out drunk and watching my pal throw 4,000 dollars in the streets of Reno.
I think he watched "The only game in town" one too many times.
I've witnessed his real life runs at the dice table going from his case 10k to walking out with 400k back to Flat Out Busted inside of 2 months lol.
If you ever seen that movie about Vegas and Degenerate gambling you might understand.
Warren Beatty makes a paper boat out of a 100 dollar bill and floats it down to the storm drain outside Caesars Palace, if I remember correctly.
Pretty good movie that captures our lifestyle choice.
Interesting note is that he is playing dice exactly where they shot James Caan and his Black Jack run in the Gambler.
The two movies are only about 4 years apart from one another.
Full Movie on Youtube...
Full Pay - my take on the definition of this is "the best pay table you can find on the given theme that is not Unicorn rare". I'm sure VP experts like Dancer or Shackleford can come up with something better or already have.
I've heard people online refer to Super Pay pay tables in VP - these are always player-positive EV pay tables (Monet's 10/6 Vegas JOB is a perfect example of this IMHO).
Last edited by tableplay; 12-05-2020 at 07:53 AM.
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