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  1. #21
    Originally Posted by monet View Post
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    Oddly enough, I did see 100% JOB at the Atlantis (Reno) at one time. IIRC, they boosted the straight flush enough to make it 100% (9/6 with a boosted SF). I'm sure other VCT members have probably come across this paytable in bygone years also.
    No doubt.
    I know of a couple 10/6 JoBs still around but its rare.
    I know you know all of this.
    It's sort of like holding 9/10 suited in certain VP games or a 3 Flush.
    People that aren't involved don't get it.
    Same thing when you say Full Pay and refer to a game under 100% return.
    Technically speaking 8/5 Bonus Poker is Full Pay even though it has a 99.17% return.
    I think people confuse the word "Return" with "Full Pay".
    Sort of like how some people don't like when VP players say "I flopped a quad."
    They want to argue that you were dealt a quad.
    It's an obvious disconnect of semantics.
    I mean FPDW is 100.76% Return but you refer to the game as Full Pay even though its over 100% Return.
    I guess one could argue that its actually an Over Pay Game.
    Finding a machine that had "Overpays" were fun back in the era of coins!
    Cash-out, Cash-out, Cash-out...

    I've told the story before but nobody cares.
    A friend of mine figured out how to deflect the coins with a coin so you wouldn't cut up your fingers.
    We made a few dollars at the bars in those days.
    Those were the days of getting black out drunk and watching my pal throw 4,000 dollars in the streets of Reno.
    I think he watched "The only game in town" one too many times.
    I've witnessed his real life runs at the dice table going from his case 10k to walking out with 400k back to Flat Out Busted inside of 2 months lol.
    If you ever seen that movie about Vegas and Degenerate gambling you might understand.
    Warren Beatty makes a paper boat out of a 100 dollar bill and floats it down to the storm drain outside Caesars Palace, if I remember correctly.
    Pretty good movie that captures our lifestyle choice.
    Interesting note is that he is playing dice exactly where they shot James Caan and his Black Jack run in the Gambler.
    The two movies are only about 4 years apart from one another.
    Full Movie on Youtube...

    Thanks Monet, I will watch this one (The Only Game in Town - I've already seen The Gambler and its John Goodman remake). Yes nine-ten suited. One Eyed Jacks has this sort of thing (more often with clubs and diamonds). Definitely a trait of wild card games with two wild cards (double joker poker also has these types of holds of course). And some non-wild card games as you mentioned (USA/All American for example). And then there is the one-card-hold low card shit that you might encounter in a game like two pair joker poker - there would have to be a very good reason for me to study this game and learn it well. Well I'm ranting, you know all of this already.

    Full Pay - my take on the definition of this is "the best pay table you can find on the given theme that is not Unicorn rare". I'm sure VP experts like Dancer or Shackleford can come up with something better or already have.

    I've heard people online refer to Super Pay pay tables in VP - these are always player-positive EV pay tables (Monet's 10/6 Vegas JOB is a perfect example of this IMHO).

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  2. #22
    What are the opinions of playing Full Pay Pick-em poker machines that are available in one casino that I play at?

  3. #23
    Originally Posted by BoSox View Post
    What are the opinions of playing Full Pay Pick-em poker machines that are available in one casino that I play at?
    Pretty good. The game comes in at 99.5% and has a single-coin variance of 15 (by comparison 9/6 JOB comes in at 19.5) and the discard strategy is pretty easy to learn. Please keep in mind that since the premium hands like a SF and a royal are much rarer relative to non pick-em standard counterparts like JOB (the variance in the upper part of the pay table is higher and the variance in the lower part of the pay table is lower than standard VP to round out the total variance of this theme), you do often get a feeling of getting slowly ground down (I guess you could say that about other VP too ;-)). IMHO, I think it's a decent choice for ABCing your free play or getting enough points on a free play day to qualify the free play (other decent ABC choices are 3 hand JOB, 3 hand Bonus Poker, etc. if they have "decent" pay tables).

    Best, TP.
    Last edited by tableplay; 12-05-2020 at 08:33 AM.

  4. #24
    Originally Posted by monet View Post
    Below is some old Jackpot Pic to show the game I am talking about.
    I've talked about it before in the past.
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    Ooh, there is an ending at the beginning for the four slot numbers I adapted, from old Monet. It all started with the number in the slot above the post, from https://vegascasinotalk.com/forum/sh...l=1#post110903 . The post was,

    "You know what's interesting about the number, 36,614?

    Factorization: 2*18,307. The 183rd day is the middle day of the year, July, 2nd, at noon. Actually, I think, if you factor in the leap day, the middle of the year is July, 2nd, at 9 am, depending on what sort of time is used, ie, savings, or not. As well, 2*18 = 36, and, 307 ---> 37, so, 36.614 lies between. Who knows. Ha.

    Guess who was born on the 2nd."

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    To put all of this together.

    The first numeral, 4,183.66 ---> 418366 = 2*13*16091 = 26*16091 = [(2 + 6) + 9*2]*16091 = {[(1 + 1) + 6] + 9(1 + 1)}*16091, which may be wrapped around the 16091 as ... + 9(1 + 1)}*16091*{[(1 + 1) + 6] + ... ---> 911_16091_116.

    Moreover, also 418366 ---> 4_183_66 contains the centered numeral 183, which, again, may denote the 183rd day of the year, the middle day of the year, July, 2nd. And, 04_183_66 may be written as [sqrt(9) + 1]__61*3__66 = [sqrt(9) + (1 + 1)^0]__(61^1)*sqrt(9)__11*6 ---> 911_6119_116.

    Furthermore, note the 1, 3, 6, and 9, digits on the bottom row of the first slot, with 3 = sqrt(9). And, the letters h = 8 = (6 + 2) = [6 + (1 + 1)] ---> 611, and, p = 16 = (10^1 + 6) ---> 116, counting forward in the alphabet, or, h = 19 = (10^1 + 9) ---> 119, and, p = 11 = (9 + 2) = [9 + (1 + 1)] ---> 911, going backward in the alphabet.

    Guess who was born in the year, 1961.

    Well, with this bit of farting around, while I slept, I think that I have, finally, locked in the final sequence to the dimensions of my theory of everything. I mean, you have to get the mind off something to really and actually solve it.
    Last edited by Garnabby; 12-05-2020 at 08:47 AM.

  5. #25
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    Originally Posted by BoSox View Post
    What are the opinions of playing Full Pay Pick-em poker machines that are available in one casino that I play at?
    Pretty good. The game comes in at 99.5% and has a single-coin variance of 15 (by comparison 9/6 JOB comes in at 19.5) and the discard strategy is pretty easy to learn. Please keep in mind that since the premium hands like a SF and a royal are much rarer relative to non pick-em standard counterparts like JOB (the variance in the upper part of the pay table is higher and the variance in the lower part of the pay table is lower than standard VP to round out the total variance of this theme), you do often get a feeling of getting slowly ground down (I guess you could say that about other VP too ;-)). IMHO, I think it's a decent choice for ABCing your free play or getting enough points on a free play day to qualify the free play (other decent ABC choices are 3 hand JOB, 3 hand Bonus Poker, etc. if they have "decent" pay tables).

    Best, TP.
    Thank's tableplay. I think the game comes in higher than 99.5% I thought it was 99.995% I will have to re check.

  6. #26
    Even some of those "full pay" games, like 8/5 BP and FPDW aren't quite "full pay." For 8/5 BP, you want the one where all quads pay 175. Not the usual 400/200/125.

  7. #27
    Originally Posted by Garnabby View Post
    Originally Posted by monet View Post
    Below is some old Jackpot Pic to show the game I am talking about.
    I've talked about it before in the past.
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    Ooh, there is an ending at the beginning for the four slot numbers I adapted, from old Monet. It all started with the number in the slot above the post, from https://vegascasinotalk.com/forum/sh...l=1#post110903 . The post was,

    "You know what's interesting about the number, 36,614?

    Factorization: 2*18,307. The 183rd day is the middle day of the year, July, 2nd, at noon. Actually, I think, if you factor in the leap day, the middle of the year is July, 2nd, at 9 am, depending on what sort of time is used, ie, savings, or not. As well, 2*18 = 36, and, 307 ---> 37, so, 36.614 lies between. Who knows. Ha.

    Guess who was born on the 2nd."

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    To put all of this together.

    The first numeral, 4,183.66 ---> 418366 = 2*13*16091 = 26*16091 = [(2 + 6) + 9*2]*16091 = {[(1 + 1) + 6] + 9(1 + 1)}*16091, which may be wrapped around the 16091 as ... + 9(1 + 1)}*16091*{[(1 + 1) + 6] + ... ---> 911_16091_116.

    Moreover, also 418366 ---> 4_183_66 contains the centered numeral 183, which, again, may denote the 183rd day of the year, the middle day of the year, July, 2nd. And, 04_183_66 may be written as [sqrt(9) + 1]__61*3__66 = [sqrt(9) + (1 + 1)^0]__(61^1)*sqrt(9)__11*6 ---> 911_6119_116.

    Furthermore, note the 1, 3, 6, and 9, digits on the bottom row of the first slot, with 3 = sqrt(9). And, the letters h = 8 = (6 + 2) = [6 + (1 + 1)] ---> 611, and, p = 16 = (10^1 + 6) ---> 116, counting forward in the alphabet, or, h = 19 = (10^1 + 9) ---> 119, and, p = 11 = (9 + 2) = [9 + (1 + 1)] ---> 911, going backward in the alphabet.

    Guess who was born in the year, 1961.

    Well, with this bit of farting around, while I slept, I think that I have, finally, locked in the final sequence to the dimensions of my theory of everything. I mean, you have to get the mind off something to really and actually solve it.
    Shut the fuck up garnabby.

  8. #28
    Monet, thanks for putting the link up for the movie: The only game in town
    I watched it today and thought it was very good.

  9. #29
    Originally Posted by monet View Post
    Yahtzee!
    Still 5 cycles behind on deuces though... ouch!!

    Are you sure that you are down 5 cycles on the deuces though as it must be much harder to hit the quad when you keep that ace kicker?

  10. #30
    Originally Posted by BoSox View Post
    Are you sure that you are down 5 cycles on the deuces though as it must be much harder to hit the quad when you keep that ace kicker?
    Yes, down 5 cycles.
    22A is a major hold in this game.
    2222A does not count as making 2222.
    VP runs goofy at times.
    My record is 6 sets of deuces and 2 royals on a different game.
    I've actually done that twice over the years.
    My record for quads is 11 sets in one hour.
    My friend had a record I will never get close to.
    He hit 11 sets of Aces on Full Pay Double Bonus in one session of about 8 hours.
    Not sure if he remembers as he drank a fifth of Crown Royal.
    Those were the days of coins and he was surrounded by full buckets of quarters in every direction.
    So, its impressive because the machines were slower and hoppers had to be filled.
    Freaking Progressive Meters were off the charts in that era.
    Players were literally making 80k per year playing quarters.
    I guess odds wise, my most difficult dealt hand was a left to right royal in spades.
    Odds Wise?
    Is that how you spell that lol?
    It only paid me about 1500 as I wasn't on a sequential royal game at the time.
    The game was good though as they reset the meters incorrectly and it was about a 5% winner.
    I made a right to left royal on dollars, online and it was supposed to pay extra.
    They claimed it had to be 10 to A and not A to 10.
    Probably lying to me.
    I've had multiple hits of 5 royals in 5 consecutive sessions on single line which is kind of odd.
    Most people don't understand that I've played some serious hours over the years.
    60 to 80 a week, hours on end, over and over, just pushing buttons.
    After 20+ years it seems to catch up with you in a negative manner lol.
    Attacking your immune system and physical body.
    Last edited by monet; 12-05-2020 at 04:15 PM.

  11. #31
    Sitting for extended periods of time and never ending comped casino food is a recipe for disaster to those that fall into trap. Eat less and move more.

  12. #32
    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post
    Sitting for extended periods of time and never ending comped casino food is a recipe for disaster to those that fall into trap. Eat less and move more.
    Thanks!
    Where were you 25 years ago to advise me?
    I guess better late than never huh

    I wouldn't of listened to you anyway.
    I was too busy drinking wild turkey and having roast beef for dessert.
    Heck, William B's was a real thing at that time.
    I wasn't gonna give that up.

  13. #33
    Oh right... I used to laugh at a couple guys playing 2 and 3 machines at a time.
    A few years later and I was doing that stupid shit myself.
    Sickening!

    Sort of like taking pictures of jackpots.
    I scoffed at first.
    A year or two later I was taking them too.
    Years down the road and I'm a jackass posting them on the interwebs.
    Fucking Clown is all I am... a Stupid Fucking Clown.

  14. #34
    Originally Posted by monet View Post
    Oh right... I used to laugh at a couple guys playing 2 and 3 machines at a time.
    A few years later and I was doing that stupid shit myself.
    Sickening!

    Sort of like taking pictures of jackpots.
    I scoffed at first.
    A year or two later I was taking them too.
    Years down the road and I'm a jackass posting them on the interwebs.
    Fucking Clown is all I am... a Stupid Fucking Clown.
    How do you guys handle situations when you have a hand pay while someone else's players card is in the machine?

  15. #35
    Originally Posted by BoSox View Post

    How do you guys handle situations when you have a hand pay while someone else's players card is in the machine?
    Just like any other basic fundamental in life. If you need someone to write you an instruction sheet for the basics then it's probably not a good fit for you.

  16. #36
    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post
    Originally Posted by BoSox View Post

    How do you guys handle situations when you have a hand pay while someone else's players card is in the machine?
    Just like any other basic fundamental in life. If you need someone to write you an instruction sheet for the basics then it's probably not a good fit for you.
    Excuse me I am a blackjack player.

  17. #37
    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post
    Just like any other basic fundamental in life. If you need someone to write you an instruction sheet for the basics then it's probably not a good fit for you. How do you handle someone else's dick in your wife?
    Tilt!

  18. #38
    Originally Posted by BoSox View Post
    Excuse me I am a blackjack player.
    You took that really well.
    Impressive.

    It's like Black Jack or anything else in life.
    Deny, Deny, Deny,
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  19. #39
    Originally Posted by BoSox View Post
    Originally Posted by monet View Post
    Oh right... I used to laugh at a couple guys playing 2 and 3 machines at a time.
    A few years later and I was doing that stupid shit myself.
    Sickening!

    Sort of like taking pictures of jackpots.
    I scoffed at first.
    A year or two later I was taking them too.
    Years down the road and I'm a jackass posting them on the interwebs.
    Fucking Clown is all I am... a Stupid Fucking Clown.
    How do you guys handle situations when you have a hand pay while someone else's players card is in the machine?
    Originally Posted by monet View Post
    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post
    Just like any other basic fundamental in life. If you need someone to write you an instruction sheet for the basics then it's probably not a good fit for you. How do you handle someone else's dick in your wife?
    Tilt!
    Guilty,,, you caught me.

  20. #40
    Originally Posted by mcap View Post
    Shut the fuck up Garnabby.
    It's fun to have a bit of fun, and, even more so when it doesn't matter what others think, etc, about it.

    Ha, I guess that I'll let the serious internet gambling stuff to you guys.

    P.S. Going to bed, now, to "sleep like a baby", if it's okay with you guys.
    Last edited by Garnabby; 12-05-2020 at 07:23 PM.

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