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    I recently did another interview. The guy combined me with Bob Dancer.

    https://t.co/lGxP5d3E2W?amp=1
    "The objective of socialism is communism." Vladimir Lenin

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    Enjoyed it. Just when you forget the podcast is out there, another episode pops up. Every six weeks or so.

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    Listened to that today, very enjoyable & interesting. Thank you for doing.

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    Great podcast, thanks Mickey.

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    Just wanted to say thanks to Mickey for doing this interview and sharing the great stories. Also thanks to those on the forum that have checked out the episode.

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    Very refreshing especially for a forum such as this.

    Regardless of everything I wrote over the years and all the raging battles I've been involved in (due to what I was trying to cover up, etc.) , I have ALWAYS believed what mickey said he does and I have ALWAYS believed what Bob Dancer claimed he was doing--although his extreme embellishments at times diluted much of it. Actually, you can tell by the flow of mickey's articulation about what he experienced that what he's explaining is very true.

    My further belief is that he lives a far better and more satisfying life than the much older Dancer does and has. Yes Dancer blabs about making a ton of money and gifts, but mickey--regardless of his successfully recovered from medical issues--has neither the baggage of divorce or the big city slime affecting his life, as Dancer does. He wakes up to clear clean air, devoid of traffic jams, degenerate lost souls, or the comparative high cost of living in a hole like LV. There is truly something to be said for how he has chosen to approach this.

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    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Very refreshing especially for a forum such as this.

    Regardless of everything I wrote over the years and all the raging battles I've been involved in (due to what I was trying to cover up, etc.) , I have ALWAYS believed what mickey said he does and I have ALWAYS believed what Bob Dancer claimed he was doing--although his extreme embellishments at times diluted much of it. Actually, you can tell by the flow of mickey's articulation about what he experienced that what he's explaining is very true.

    My further belief is that he lives a far better and more satisfying life than the much older Dancer does and has. Yes Dancer blabs about making a ton of money and gifts, but mickey--regardless of his successfully recovered from medical issues--has neither the baggage of divorce or the big city slime affecting his life, as Dancer does. He wakes up to clear clean air, devoid of traffic jams, degenerate lost souls, or the comparative high cost of living in a hole like LV. There is truly something to be said for how he has chosen to approach this.
    That's very noble of you, to finally admit, that those 2 are credible APs, who know there shit. I think Dancer, is slimy and his integrity is in question, but there's no doubt he knows what he's talking about, in the casino world. Also Mickey, rising from his drunken hobo days, to making a decent life for himself is commendable. Dancer on the other hand, came from a wealthy upbringing and had a massive head start in life financially, compared to the average plebe. Big difference between the two.

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    Originally Posted by Ozzy View Post
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Very refreshing especially for a forum such as this.

    Regardless of everything I wrote over the years and all the raging battles I've been involved in (due to what I was trying to cover up, etc.) , I have ALWAYS believed what mickey said he does and I have ALWAYS believed what Bob Dancer claimed he was doing--although his extreme embellishments at times diluted much of it. Actually, you can tell by the flow of mickey's articulation about what he experienced that what he's explaining is very true.

    My further belief is that he lives a far better and more satisfying life than the much older Dancer does and has. Yes Dancer blabs about making a ton of money and gifts, but mickey--regardless of his successfully recovered from medical issues--has neither the baggage of divorce or the big city slime affecting his life, as Dancer does. He wakes up to clear clean air, devoid of traffic jams, degenerate lost souls, or the comparative high cost of living in a hole like LV. There is truly something to be said for how he has chosen to approach this.
    That's very noble of you, to finally admit, that those 2 are credible APs, who know there shit. I think Dancer, is slimy and his integrity is in question, but there's no doubt he knows what he's talking about, in the casino world. Also Mickey, rising from his drunken hobo days, to making a decent life for himself is commendable. Dancer on the other hand, came from a wealthy upbringing and had a massive head start in life financially, compared to the average plebe. Big difference between the two.
    I am not an active member of this forum, so my perspective might be different, but when I make these episodes the thing I really enjoy is that everyone gets to choose their own life. And that's why I've really focused on having such a wide variety of people on. Because gambling is a profession that you both don't get pushed into, and also don't end up by accident, I think there are some great things you can observe about humans by listening to people who have worked hard to make gambling their life.

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    Originally Posted by jreeder View Post
    Originally Posted by Ozzy View Post
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Very refreshing especially for a forum such as this.

    Regardless of everything I wrote over the years and all the raging battles I've been involved in (due to what I was trying to cover up, etc.) , I have ALWAYS believed what mickey said he does and I have ALWAYS believed what Bob Dancer claimed he was doing--although his extreme embellishments at times diluted much of it. Actually, you can tell by the flow of mickey's articulation about what he experienced that what he's explaining is very true.

    My further belief is that he lives a far better and more satisfying life than the much older Dancer does and has. Yes Dancer blabs about making a ton of money and gifts, but mickey--regardless of his successfully recovered from medical issues--has neither the baggage of divorce or the big city slime affecting his life, as Dancer does. He wakes up to clear clean air, devoid of traffic jams, degenerate lost souls, or the comparative high cost of living in a hole like LV. There is truly something to be said for how he has chosen to approach this.
    That's very noble of you, to finally admit, that those 2 are credible APs, who know there shit. I think Dancer, is slimy and his integrity is in question, but there's no doubt he knows what he's talking about, in the casino world. Also Mickey, rising from his drunken hobo days, to making a decent life for himself is commendable. Dancer on the other hand, came from a wealthy upbringing and had a massive head start in life financially, compared to the average plebe. Big difference between the two.
    I am not an active member of this forum, so my perspective might be different, but when I make these episodes the thing I really enjoy is that everyone gets to choose their own life. And that's why I've really focused on having such a wide variety of people on. Because gambling is a profession that you both don't get pushed into, and also don't end up by accident, I think there are some great things you can observe about humans by listening to people who have worked hard to make gambling their life.
    Spot on, there are all kinds of characters, from extreme to mainstream backgrounds in this industry. Many that are succesful, share certain common traits. Analytical skills, looking outside the box, stealth, above average to high IQ, independent, dealing with a lot of stoopid and obnoxious civilians and casino staff, adaptability to ongoing changes, massive variance with loosing weeks, sometimes but rarely losing months, willing to work odd and potentially longggg hours etc. It's takes a certain personality, to be able to do this for 20+years. It's a way of life and I think we live and breath it, on the regular.

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    Well done Mickey.

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    Originally Posted by Ozzy View Post
    Spot on, there are all kinds of characters, from extreme to mainstream backgrounds in this industry. Many that are succesful, share certain common traits. Analytical skills, looking outside the box, stealth, above average to high IQ, independent, dealing with a lot of stoopid and obnoxious civilians and casino staff, adaptability to ongoing changes, massive variance with loosing weeks, sometimes but rarely losing months, willing to work odd and potentially longggg hours etc. It's takes a certain personality, to be able to do this for 20+years. It's a way of life and I think we live and breath it, on the regular.
    Well, this isn't about gambling, per se. So, a few general comments.

    Ozzy, are you out of your mind?



    Originally Posted by Bill Yung View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    It's not as well known about slot AP's catching heat as blackjack players.
    Well, this is another bit of reading between Crimm's lines.

    Why more heat for blackjack players, who, according to Crimm, by way of KJ's $275 a day (to $100,000 a year), make less than his $500 a day? I mean, it's still the casino's money that he's running off with.

    So, out of some more curiosity sparked by this seeming contradiction, I did a general search for making money from slots. The second bit I read was this.

    Having run many casinos, there are a few ways we see people make a living playing slots, although it is a generally a low income living.

    You can become a jackpot Hunter and only play machines when the progressive jackpot is so high that the machine has swung to a mathematical Player advantage. This is not uncommon, and usually involves an entire team of people playing when the machine becomes advantageous to the player. It's a little tricky but not too difficult to understand exactly when this point has been reached.

    The second way to make a living playing slots is to take advantage of casino promotions such[SUB] as triple points, cash back, etc. These deals are not widespread, but if you're happy taking payment in the form of hotel rooms and free food then you can certainly make a living doing this. Also, a good portion of your income on this method will be your invitations to free slot tournaments. When doing this, you have to be sure to play a game with an extremely low house advantage like properly played video poker, or video blackjack.

    The third way is to become A professional video poker player and looking for the games that have over 100% payback. Casinos offer these games as a promotion, knowing that most players will never be able to achieve the full 100+ percent payback. So if you study video poker and couple this with cash back and comps you too can earn a living playing slots.

    https://www.quora.com/How-can-I-play...ine-for-living
    By Todd Haushalter, Vice President, Gaming Ops at MGM Resorts International. He should know. Right?

    Well, he called it a "low income living".

    https://vegascasinotalk.com/forum/sh...ll=1#post77358
    Another couple of, quotes that have to do with the mental health of gamblers. I have maintained, for a while now, that the so-called AP's are merely control freaks. I think, as always, control freaks have to turn their such passions inward, to an inward universe of cardboard and plastic games, and other such fantasies. Psychologically, merely normal human beings. But, nondescript, by any other measure as well. Opposed to a balanced set of well-rounded traits, in the middle, and, the compulsive gamblers, at the other end of the gambling spectrum.

    Look, I've been waiting for just one independent academic or other professional to jump in with something about how special the so-called AP's are. Going on a decade now, but, still, even when the Wizard's forum was a bit popular, well, the big nothing.

    Although much recent research has focused on the gambling practices and psychosocial functioning of pathological gamblers, few investigations have examined the characteristics of professional gamblers. The current project sought to address this gap in the literature by conducting a quantitative comparison of professional and pathological gamblers. Pathological gamblers were recruited and balanced with professional gamblers on demographic variables and preferred gambling activity. A total of 22 professional gamblers and 13 pathological gamblers completed an extensive self-report battery including instruments assessing demographics, gambling behaviors and problems, other psychiatric disorders, current psychosocial functioning, recent stressful events, personality characteristics, and intelligence. Pathological and professional gamblers reported similar rates of gambling frequency and intensity and types of games played. Pathological gamblers endorsed poor psychosocial functioning, whereas professional gamblers reported a rate of psychiatric distress within a normative range. Pathological gamblers also reported lower gambling self-efficacy, greater impulsivity, and more past-year DSM-IV Axis I disorders than professional gamblers. The results of the present study shed light on the unique circumstances of professional gamblers, as well as underscore important differences between such individuals and pathological gamblers that could prove fruitful in future research and intervention and prevention efforts.
    There are three common types of gambler, the professional gambler, the social gambler, and the problem gambler. Be aware that the problem gambler will often believe themselves to be, or pretend to be, a social or professional gambler.

    Professional gamblers are the rarest form of gambler and depend on games of skills rather than luck to make money. They have full control over the time, money and energy they spend on gambling. Social gamblers consider gambling to be a valid form of recreational activity and maintain full control over the time, money and energy they expend on gambling. They consider the cost of gambling to be payment for entertainment.
    Every one, and everyone, supposedly, knows it all. Yet, no thing, nor nothing, is really and actually known to and understood by any one, or anyone.

    In gambling, the biggest suckers are the ones who think that they are beating the house. It always wins, unless it lets you win, to give you an even worse beating.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsa6ojQcYXQ


    Shut it down, Garnabby. ---> Anything, but a BS word.

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    Todd Haushalter doesn't know much. A typical "expert" that don't know jackshit. You'll starve to death playing slot tournaments. All I ever cared about in gambling was getting the money. What the psychologists write about it is irrelevant to me.
    "The objective of socialism is communism." Vladimir Lenin

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    Didi now finding Lenin to be an authority to quote. What an epic loser.
    Grandpa Newell and DiDi are the GOAT

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