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[mickeycrimm]

I suspect if Blackhole wasn't hiding behind the very anonymity that he rails against, we would find similar about him....that he is no where close to what he claims.

These gambling forums are full of assorted people looking for any opening to an easy buck. Just take Axelass’s word for it who proclaimed he made over a million dollars after joining WOV. Throughout my life I’ve dealt with people from all types, shapes, and colors. The worst of all these people are when you run into the gambler who’s really into it. They are usually the type of people you’ll eventually regret putting your trust in. I’m not talking about the people who could afford to gamble and just do it as if it’s no different than a two-week vacation in Africa. In fact, I’ve made friends, traveled, and gambled with several of these types.

I’m talking about the full-time gamblers you’ll find on these exact forums. Every real gambler I ever meet was always on the brink of disaster, or eventually collapsed financially down the road. The tin cup always eventually seemed to come out just like your forum idol Mike Shank’s did. The ultimate king of casino math. (imagine that?) This fool now preys on taking advantage of dumb American citizens more than likley with a gambling problem already, convincing them how safe it is to gamble on illegal off-shore casinos with his personal self-imposed regulation.

The only reason I hide behind the anonymous option is the fear of the abuse my wife and children could be subject to. I don’t think anyone here would do something absurd, but based on what I’ve read over the years one could never be certain.

The same bunch of alleged self-proclaimed AP’s can’t stand me endlessly pointing out their stupidity.

So, their only responses will always be the same responses you could read above.

Doyle Brunson said he trusts gamblers far more than the businessmen wearing suits and ties because the gamblers word was good but the suit and tie guys always ripped him off.

Did you wear a suit and tie, blackhole?

[blackhole]

Doyle Brunson said he trusts gamblers far more than the businessmen wearing suits and ties because the gamblers word was good but the suit and tie guys always ripped him off.

Did you wear a suit and tie, blackhole?

Look at one of the wealthiest gambling superstars Billy Walters. The wall street suits took him to the cleaner’s big time. He may have known when to hold them, and knew when to fold them. But when he thought he was able to mix it up with the big boys he got hammered and put back in his place. His huge losses on Wall Street got others out of terrible stocks with his money and huge profits. He was just an Advantage Play for the suits.

Yes Mickey, I lived most of my life in suits and ties.

[redietz]

Doyle Brunson said he trusts gamblers far more than the businessmen wearing suits and ties because the gamblers word was good but the suit and tie guys always ripped him off.

Did you wear a suit and tie, blackhole?

Look at one of the wealthiest gambling superstars Billy Walters. The wall street suits took him to the cleaner’s big time. He may have known when to hold them, and knew when to fold them. But when he thought he was able to mix it up with the big boys he got hammered and put back in his place. His huge losses on Wall Street got others out of terrible stocks with his money and huge profits. He was just an Advantage Play for the suits.

Yes Mickey, I lived most of my life in suits and ties.

I'm going to flip some of blackhole's comments around since I briefly worked with Mr. Walters and have some information 99.9% of other people do not have.

Mr. Walters is not my favorite person in all the world, but I have a great deal of respect for him. The fact of the matter is that Mr. Walters came from nowhere, basically. His ascent in the Las Vegas and gambling milieu was partly due to his ability to assess people and then control them, in a sense. For example, Mr. Walters did not do what mickey does or what kewlJ does or what I do. What he did was scout experts, partner with them, eventually assemble them, and (when possible) keep them separate from each other. So what he was doing was putting together roundtables of experts, pitting them against each other and comparing them, and having the logistical structure in place to act on their expertise. He was more of a combination GM and coach as opposed to a player.

Now I can't speak to his Wall Street dabblings, but the fact is that his gambling juggernaut had already faltered because his experts faltered. He did not turn to Wall Street because he had superbly conquered gambling. Rather, he turned to other pursuits due to easier scale and friction in the gambling milieu.

I assume that he tried to assemble the same kind of talent regarding Wall Street as he did in gambling, and the talent failed him.