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  1. #41
    Originally Posted by monet View Post
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    Your point is well taken Monet. I don't feel I am conflicted regarding my disposition of not wearing a mask except when forced to (shopping/casinos) and vaccinations for other issues as I have not been outspoken in regards to vaccinations for these other ailments (Polio,standard flu,hepatitis C, shingles,tetanus etc.) here on VCT or anywhere else. Like your in-laws, I think I caught Covid the 1st half of this last March and it wasn't a big deal. I did not pursue the shingles shot, but when I was getting a renewal on a migraine medicine prescription, I was offered the shot and said sure.
    Anyhow, just as you write, we don't live forever so no point in stressing out about it too much. So people who have trained their minds to block out pain and discomfort have done themselves a huge service - it is not the dying that is disconcerting to me, but rather the pain that often accompanies it which I'm not a big fan of (hope I go in my sleep when the time comes - wishful thinking most likely).

    I was actually thinking about this the other day. People of yesteryear just got on with it. I don't think Cholesterol screening even started until the early 80's right ? And triglyceride/lipid screening is even more recent. I could just have a Coke and Tylenol combo for headaches/migraines rather than migraine medicine (as I am untrained for blocking out pain) if I didn't have basic health insurance and leave the rest to mother nature. So determining when it is better to go the home remedy route versus medical establishment treatment is definitely a good skill to master since the medical establishment causes a lot of deaths.
    No Worries tableplay.
    My comment was directed at MC and others more so than yourself.
    MC throws me for a loop on occassion.
    Sometimes it seems like he is doing a complete 180 on certain topics.
    I have no beef with him or what he does or believes.
    He just makes me do a double take on occasion from his stance on Harvey Milk, Gay Activism, eating fast food after a major heart operation/problem and some movie choices.
    I don't expect that from the information he shares about how violent he is in certain situations since the way he talks reminds me of how my Father used to talk.
    You feel Froggy???
    Jump!
    I didn't expect him to be so Gung Ho about the Chink Vaccine.
    My wife will be taking it eventually but I refuse.
    I shook hands with a basic stranger the other day... that felt really good as I haven't done it in months.
    Not very easy to actually find someone who will shake hands with you these days.
    Good Movie that Gung Ho (1986).

    We all have to do what we think is best for ourselves.
    The individual should have the power to choose.
    I'm against the current overreach of power from our government.

    I had some vaccines when I was a baby.
    I never had the Chickenpox.
    Shingles could be a problem for me down the road.
    I don't like anyone injecting me as I really don't know what is in that syringe.
    I haven't had a Tetanus Shot in 30 years.
    I rarely go to the doctor.
    I personally hate what their profession has become in the States.
    I still believe my 45 automatic is the best medicine and insurance for my own self.
    From what I understand (I don't remember having the chicken pox), a shingles vaccination will protect the vaccinated person against chicken pox if they come into contact with a person who has shingles, but that it is unknown if it will afford this same protection against someone who has chicken pox itself. I will not get the covid vaccine either. I don't know if fist-bumping counts, but it seems to offer the same old-school relief as a hand shake.

  2. #42
    Someone sent me this I think from the CDC, interesting.


    https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0?ui=...2132697b5b4781

  3. #43
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    From what I understand (I don't remember having the chicken pox), a shingles vaccination will protect the vaccinated person against chicken pox if they come into contact with a person who has shingles, but that it is unknown if it will afford this same protection against someone who has chicken pox itself. I will not get the covid vaccine either. I don't know if fist-bumping counts, but it seems to offer the same old-school relief as a hand shake.
    Is that how that works?
    I should probably look it up but not too worried about it.
    I thought that if you never had Chickenpox it makes you more susceptible to catching the Shingles.
    I don't know too much about it.
    The last I remember actually talking about it was when David Letterman had a bad case of the Shingles and talked about it on air.
    This makes me want to Breathe more and jump in an Ice Bath!
    I've been messing with the breathing but haven't hallucinated from it yet.
    I was making odd movements with my hands and arms actually hugging myself for about 5 minutes once while holding my breath.
    I couldn't help thinking to myself: "I must be turning into a Fag." (Movie Line Quote from Factotum 2005)
    I do enjoy the cold showers though.
    Next step is to buy a Stock Tank.
    Last edited by monet; 01-29-2021 at 08:04 PM.

  4. #44
    Originally Posted by monet View Post
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    From what I understand (I don't remember having the chicken pox), a shingles vaccination will protect the vaccinated person against chicken pox if they come into contact with a person who has shingles, but that it is unknown if it will afford this same protection against someone who has chicken pox itself. I will not get the covid vaccine either. I don't know if fist-bumping counts, but it seems to offer the same old-school relief as a hand shake.
    Is that how that works?
    I should probably look it up but not too worried about it.
    I thought that if you never had Chickenpox it makes you more susceptible to catching the Shingles.
    I don't know too much about it.
    The last I remember actually talking about it was when David Letterman had a bad case of the Shingles and talked about it on air.
    This makes me want to Breathe more and jump in an Ice Bath!
    I've been messing with the breathing but haven't hallucinated from it yet.
    I was making odd movements with my hands and arms actually hugging myself for about 5 minutes once while holding my breath.
    I couldn't help thinking to myself: "I must be turning into a Fag." (Movie Line Quote from Factotum 2005)
    I do enjoy the cold showers though.
    Next step is to buy a Stock Tank.
    It may be the case that catching Shingles is more likely if you never had the Chicken Pox (sans the Shingles vaccine). It's nice that the Shingles vaccine confers some protection against the Chicken Pox, but of course getting a Chicken Pox vaccine would be the best protection. It's possible I had the Chicken Pox and simply don't remember (i.e. got it as an infant), or had a very mild case and just didn't know it.

  5. #45
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    It may be the case that catching Shingles is more likely if you never had the Chicken Pox (sans the Shingles vaccine). It's nice that the Shingles vaccine confers some protection against the Chicken Pox, but of course getting a Chicken Pox vaccine would be the best protection. It's possible I had the Chicken Pox and simply don't remember (i.e. got it as an infant), or had a very mild case and just didn't know it.
    Also, I am sure that the Shingles Vaccine has been around much longer than some Experimental Covid Vaccine with higher success rate.
    Not that I like it but I would be more comfortable with a more proven vaccine like that when compared.
    I remember when Flu Shots became popular and more recently the H1N1.
    My grandmother got all that every year but I don't like the concept that they are going to inject me with a dead virus.
    Fuck That... I'll take my chances.

  6. #46
    Originally Posted by monet View Post
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    It may be the case that catching Shingles is more likely if you never had the Chicken Pox (sans the Shingles vaccine). It's nice that the Shingles vaccine confers some protection against the Chicken Pox, but of course getting a Chicken Pox vaccine would be the best protection. It's possible I had the Chicken Pox and simply don't remember (i.e. got it as an infant), or had a very mild case and just didn't know it.
    Also, I am sure that the Shingles Vaccine has been around much longer than some Experimental Covid Vaccine with higher success rate.
    Not that I like it but I would be more comfortable with a more proven vaccine like that when compared.
    I remember when Flu Shots became popular and more recently the H1N1.
    My grandmother got all that every year but I don't like the concept that they are going to inject me with a dead virus.
    Fuck That... I'll take my chances.
    Initially people were told unless you had serious symptoms you should just rest at home until you feel better (like the flu) instead of seeking medical intervention for Covid ("flatten the curve" LOL). Now the narrative changes and everyone needs to get a covid vaccine - I'll take my chances too.

  7. #47
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    Initially people were told unless you had serious symptoms you should just rest at home until you feel better (like the flu) instead of seeking medical intervention for Covid ("flatten the curve" LOL). Now the narrative changes and everyone needs to get a covid vaccine - I'll take my chances too.

    Things change. This is still a new virus and they learn more everyday. Remember initially we were told "no need for a face mask or covering", that the virus was not transmitted through the air, it was transmitted by touch. Within weeks that was proven completely backwards.

    When I got sick in April, I stayed home, even though I was pretty sick. My thinking was a hospital was probably about the worse place you could be. Plus, there weren't good treatments, they were still in the "trying out" different treatments phase. So I took my chances staying home.

    Now 9 months later, My mother got sick, and stayed home and got sicker and sicker. By the time she was admitted to the hospital 1 week ago, the monoclanal antibody treatment she was immediately given was ineffective. She has grown sicker during the week in the hospital and is now on her third day on a ventilator (against my, dr KJ's desires), hopefully coming off tomorrow. This is the same treatment Trump and others have received that made a quick recovery. But it has to be given very early on. So waiting it out at home is not the answer today. If your symptoms aren't mild, don't improve or get worse within a couple days, seek medical attention. They have effective treatments now, but they have to be given early. I think too many people are waiting too long (like Mom) to seek treatment, resulting longer and lingering recoveries, or worse.
    Last edited by kewlJ; 01-29-2021 at 10:07 PM.
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  8. #48
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    Initially people were told unless you had serious symptoms you should just rest at home until you feel better (like the flu) instead of seeking medical intervention for Covid ("flatten the curve" LOL). Now the narrative changes and everyone needs to get a covid vaccine - I'll take my chances too.

    Things change. This is still a new virus and they learn more everyday. Remember initially we were told "no need for a face mask or covering", that the virus was not transmitted through the air, it was transmitted by touch. Within weeks that was proven completely backwards.

    When I got sick in April, I stayed home, even though I was pretty sick. My thinking was a hospital was probably about the worse place you could be. Plus, there weren't good treatments, they were still in the "trying out" different treatments phase. So I took my chances staying home.

    Now 9 months later, My mother got sick, and stayed home and got sicker and sicker. By the time she was admitted to the hospital 1 week ago, the monoclanal antibody treatment she was immediately given was ineffective. She has grown sicker during the week in the hospital and is now on her third day on a ventilator (against my, dr KJ's desires), hopefully coming off tomorrow. This is the same treatment Trump and others have received that made a quick recovery. But it has to be given very early on. So waiting it out at home is not the answer today. If your symptoms aren't mild, don't improve or get worse within a couple days, seek medical attention. They have effective treatments now, but they have to be given early. I think too many people are waiting too long (like Mom) to seek treatment, resulting longer and lingering recoveries, or worse.
    This is exactly why I don't want the vaccine - it is too new and the greater population are the guinea pigs. In your mom's case, since she is in a higher risk group due to her age, prudence is more important. Anyhow it is good to hear she will likely be off the ventilator tomorrow or shortly after that, if not tomorrow.

  9. #49
    Well that is unfortunate. I was reading that only 50% of people that wind up on a ventilator for covid survive.

  10. #50
    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post
    Well that is unfortunate. I was reading that only 50% of people that wind up on a ventilator for covid survive.
    I have seen numbers like this and even worse as well, MaxPen. But I have also read that earlier on they were putting people on ventilators too quickly (early treatment) and leaving them on too long, not really knowing when to ween them off. The doctor convinced me it would only be short-term to aid her lungs and allow them to heal better. I know....I am sure everyone's family is told it will be short term. I guess the next few days will tell.
    Dan Druff: "there's no question that MDawg has been an obnoxious braggart, and has rubbed a ton of people the wrong way. There's something missing from his stories. Either they're fabricated, grossly exaggerated, or largely incomplete".

  11. #51
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    This is exactly why I don't want the vaccine - it is too new and the greater population are the guinea pigs. In your mom's case, since she is in a higher risk group due to her age, prudence is more important. Anyhow it is good to hear she will likely be off the ventilator tomorrow or shortly after that, if not tomorrow.
    Um, my mom is NOT in a higher risk group because of her age. She is in her late 50's and she has no medical conditions that I know of. Maybe 10 pounds overweight, if that counts.

    But I understand your concerns and guinea pig analogy. I just choose to believe in things like science and math. That is who I am.
    Dan Druff: "there's no question that MDawg has been an obnoxious braggart, and has rubbed a ton of people the wrong way. There's something missing from his stories. Either they're fabricated, grossly exaggerated, or largely incomplete".

  12. #52
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    This is exactly why I don't want the vaccine - it is too new and the greater population are the guinea pigs. In your mom's case, since she is in a higher risk group due to her age, prudence is more important. Anyhow it is good to hear she will likely be off the ventilator tomorrow or shortly after that, if not tomorrow.
    Um, my mom is NOT in a higher risk group because of her age. She is in her late 50's and she has no medical conditions that I know of. Maybe 10 pounds overweight, if that counts.

    But I understand your concerns and guinea pig analogy. I just choose to believe in things like science and math. That is who I am.
    Recall that there are numerous examples of medications being rolled out and then recalled after FDA approval. The whole fen-phen deal (fenfluramine and/or dexfenfluramine) which was found to damage heart valves. The cox-II anti-inflammatories/NSAIDS such as Vioxx (https://www.npr.org/series/5033105/v...fall-of-a-drug) which were later found to increase the risk of heart attacks after being rolled out to the general population. No doubt some of the people who took these drugs believe that controlled, statistically significant clinical trials and FDA approval meant they were safe (when in fact the sample sizes of the clinical trials did not reveal the hazards that were later revealed when the sample size is the target population for the drug). So now there are Covid vaccines out there that were rushed out in a shortened approval cycle - I don't think it is an indicator of mathematical illiteracy or non-believing in science to not want to take these vaccines. I feel fairly comfortable with my degree of mathematical and probabilistic literacy and belief in these.

  13. #53
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post
    Well that is unfortunate. I was reading that only 50% of people that wind up on a ventilator for covid survive.
    I have seen numbers like this and even worse as well, MaxPen. But I have also read that earlier on they were putting people on ventilators too quickly (early treatment) and leaving them on too long, not really knowing when to ween them off. The doctor convinced me it would only be short-term to aid her lungs and allow them to heal better. I know....I am sure everyone's family is told it will be short term. I guess the next few days will tell.
    So just as the doctor promised, Mom came off the ventilator this morning after 3 days. With the help of the ICU staff, my brother and I were able to facetime with here for a few minutes. That was a scary and depressing experience as she was very confused and cranky, almost hostile. Seemed like a different person. The nurse said confusion and disorientation is normal. How horrible to not be able to be with her and assure her everything is going to be ok. This nasty ass virus!

    I am really becoming anti-ventilator. A ventilator is supposed to be a last resort type thing. I may be wrong, but I feel like they are misusing them and hooking covid patients up before need be. And it seems like there are some pretty negative benefits, not to mention the previously discussed high bad outcome rates.

    Anyway, I am not sure what is next. I know she is going to be sedated for a couple days. Hopefully, this is the first step back.
    Dan Druff: "there's no question that MDawg has been an obnoxious braggart, and has rubbed a ton of people the wrong way. There's something missing from his stories. Either they're fabricated, grossly exaggerated, or largely incomplete".

  14. #54
    For whatever reason the Covid vaccine is pretty easy to get in urban and rural Alaska. It started out slow with health care workers in December. When the over 65 group opened up, all the January appointments went fast. In February there was more vaccine than takers so eligibility was massively expanded on 2/11. We have a pretty seamless on line registration system and I got an appointment for the 21st. I was then able to make earlier appointments and move up to this morning. The school district hosts a vaccination site that takes over 1,000 people a day. It took 30 minutes complete with a 2nd appointment scheduling and a 15 minute observation period. The state has a high proportion of military, veterans, and Ak Natives and I think that these groups have a separate vaccine supply than state government. We also have covid deniers and minimizers so a vaccine is easy to get for most people in an eligible group or pretending to be. Like 21% of those over 18 have received at least one dose.

  15. #55
    My group will start making appointments online tomorrow morning at 9 AM for Feb 22 thru Mar 6.
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  16. #56
    kewlJ, I hope that your mother is doing better as you haven't spoken about her for a while now?

  17. #57
    Originally Posted by BoSox View Post
    kewlJ, I hope that your mother is doing better as you haven't spoken about her for a while now?
    Yeah, how's mom doing, kj? Hope she is well by now.
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  18. #58
    I have an appointment for the first vaccine shot next week.
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    I saw on the American news, yesterday, that Canadians are reporting a 90% drop in cases given the vaccine. I think that it will be a long time here before the vaccine has much to do with it, let alone that much of a drop, at least in the long term. Haven't heard of any shots to the general public in Ontario. We were in another shutdown for the last month. Some are saying that it shouldn't re-open, especially with the new strain on the way.
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