Here you go AxelWolf

[blackhole]

You need to reread what I wrote and not take it out of context. You are still salty that I wouldn't meet up with you and show you how to make money in casinos.

Now that’s the funniest thing you ever said. You knew I was at the Bellagio for two weeks. I offered to wine and dine you and your wife. (of course, at the casinos expense) I never once said I wanted to learn how to AP anything. In fact, I was hoping you would show me a close up of the town since you live there, plus get to ride around in your Lamborghini.

You posted your reason for not showing up was you saw no benefit in meeting me.

Instead of me trying to leach an AP play off you, I was actually going to try and impress you with why it should become obvious I couldn’t possibly need some two-bit slot machine option for income. Regardless what it was.

How come you couldn’t help your friend Mike Shank make a couple of bucks so he could keep the forum going which was worth over a million dollars to you? Which is exactly what you said, and was not taken out of context.

You’re so full of shit and have more slithers then a rattle-snake.

[redietz]

Interesting statement. Can you elaborate?

Conjecture I would imagine. The one thing I give Mdawg credit for is convincing backup supporting evidence that is consistent with the storyline. But I am always fooled by the bacc players. So I don't know shit one way or the other regarding all this.

Singer is playing tiddlywinks compared to Mdawg if Mdawg is fugazi.

Dude go back and read my more than likely theory, it's simple, he's a man servant and bitch boy to some Rolex dealer (probably a family member). The rest is easy to figure out and it all makes perfect sense. I don't know where the post is, perhaps someone can find it and post it again.

Do you realize MDawgs claims are 50x more outrageous than Rob's? I have said it before and ill say it again. From what Mdawg has said, he is worth over 50 million in BTC alone. That doesn't even include the millions he claims to have made in the market. If you want a good chuckle, go read the recent posts on the Bit Coin thread over at WOV. IT'S GLAINGLY OBVIOUSE THE GUY KNOWS NOTHING ABOUT BITCOIN. You can clearly see him trying to muddy up the conversation, scramble to learn about BTC from the net and spew a bunch of BS to cover up his lies and bogus knowledge. If he really had any significant amount of BTC, he could safely and anonymously prove it for less than 50 cents.


I have to give Singer WAY MORE credit. First off, he has been willing to actually meet up with people in person and we know exactly who he is.
Rob took his Anti AP shtick and turned it into a career of sorts. He actually has had books published and was a paid writer for Gamming today.

Even if you don't believe he played the double up bug, his knowledge about it was fairly accurate from everything I know.

As far as the Newell goes, he really needs to give that BS up. No one believes it. He knows, we know, that he knows we know.... His mistake was taking those photos of the dealerships Newell.

One comment and one correction regarding Singer:

1) "...has had books published" doesn't mean someone paid the author to publish them. In this day and age of self-publishing, not a big deal, but let's be precise.
2) "was a paid writer for Gaming Today" is incorrect. Again, not a big deal if someone got paid nothing or column inches, but let's be accurate.

This is where you get in trouble -- off-the-cuff stuff where if people presume you're being accurate (because you sound as if you know for a fact what you're saying), and then they check things out, they wind up wondering how accurate you are about everything.

[jdaewoo]

His admitting to being an uneducated bum is admirable. I cry my eyes out. But it doesn't change the context - I'm just making trip reports, while he's professing to be an expert on everything gambling and the king of the casinos, and the UN-admitted arbiter of the forum set - like he decides what is real and what is not.

Well you aren't real, and I don't need anyone else to decide that. I can decide for myself. All the shit you spew it totally made up. You aren't a high roller. You've probably never placed a baccarat bet in your entire life. You're a pathetic loser trying to convince people on the internet that you have money. You don't. You're a broke pathetic sack of shit.

[MDawg]

What happens here is politics - a lot of the enemy of my enemy is my friend type shit.

But as things line up, what happens also is that the bums take offense that the real thing (ME) has come along, and try to claim it can't be. Without offering any support or proof, just seething pitch forked jealousy and envy.

On the other hand, anything I have to say about AxelWolf is backed up by his own words, where he has contradicted himself, said ridiculous, incorrect things about high end gaming and shown that he doesn't know what he is talking about.

[mickeycrimm]

Conjecture I would imagine. The one thing I give Mdawg credit for is convincing backup supporting evidence that is consistent with the storyline. But I am always fooled by the bacc players. So I don't know shit one way or the other regarding all this.

Singer is playing tiddlywinks compared to Mdawg if Mdawg is fugazi.

Dude go back and read my more than likely theory, it's simple, he's a man servant and bitch boy to some Rolex dealer (probably a family member). The rest is easy to figure out and it all makes perfect sense. I don't know where the post is, perhaps someone can find it and post it again.

Do you realize MDawgs claims are 50x more outrageous than Rob's? I have said it before and ill say it again. From what Mdawg has said, he is worth over 50 million in BTC alone. That doesn't even include the millions he claims to have made in the market. If you want a good chuckle, go read the recent posts on the Bit Coin thread over at WOV. IT'S GLAINGLY OBVIOUSE THE GUY KNOWS NOTHING ABOUT BITCOIN. You can clearly see him trying to muddy up the conversation, scramble to learn about BTC from the net and spew a bunch of BS to cover up his lies and bogus knowledge. If he really had any significant amount of BTC, he could safely and anonymously prove it for less than 50 cents.


I have to give Singer WAY MORE credit. First off, he has been willing to actually meet up with people in person and we know exactly who he is.
Rob took his Anti AP shtick and turned it into a career of sorts. He actually has had books published and was a paid writer for Gamming today.

Even if you don't believe he played the double up bug, his knowledge about it was fairly accurate from everything I know.

As far as the Newell goes, he really needs to give that BS up. No one believes it. He knows, we know, that he knows we know.... His mistake was taking those photos of the dealerships Newell.

One comment and one correction regarding Singer:

1) "...has had books published" doesn't mean someone paid the author to publish them. In this day and age of self-publishing, not a big deal, but let's be precise.
2) "was a paid writer for Gaming Today" is incorrect. Again, not a big deal if someone got paid nothing or column inches, but let's be accurate.

This is where you get in trouble -- off-the-cuff stuff where if people presume you're being accurate (because you sound as if you know for a fact what you're saying), and then they check things out, they wind up wondering how accurate you are about everything.

Singer didn't self publish. And he said many times that he turned down being paid by Gaming Today. Very easy to be misleading, isn't it?

[kewlJ]

Dude go back and read my more than likely theory, it's simple, he's a man servant and bitch boy to some Rolex dealer (probably a family member). The rest is easy to figure out and it all makes perfect sense. I don't know where the post is, perhaps someone can find it and post it again.

Do you realize MDawgs claims are 50x more outrageous than Rob's? I have said it before and ill say it again. From what Mdawg has said, he is worth over 50 million in BTC alone. That doesn't even include the millions he claims to have made in the market. If you want a good chuckle, go read the recent posts on the Bit Coin thread over at WOV. IT'S GLAINGLY OBVIOUSE THE GUY KNOWS NOTHING ABOUT BITCOIN. You can clearly see him trying to muddy up the conversation, scramble to learn about BTC from the net and spew a bunch of BS to cover up his lies and bogus knowledge. If he really had any significant amount of BTC, he could safely and anonymously prove it for less than 50 cents.


I have to give Singer WAY MORE credit. First off, he has been willing to actually meet up with people in person and we know exactly who he is.
Rob took his Anti AP shtick and turned it into a career of sorts. He actually has had books published and was a paid writer for Gamming today.

Even if you don't believe he played the double up bug, his knowledge about it was fairly accurate from everything I know.

As far as the Newell goes, he really needs to give that BS up. No one believes it. He knows, we know, that he knows we know.... His mistake was taking those photos of the dealerships Newell.

One comment and one correction regarding Singer:

1) "...has had books published" doesn't mean someone paid the author to publish them. In this day and age of self-publishing, not a big deal, but let's be precise.
2) "was a paid writer for Gaming Today" is incorrect. Again, not a big deal if someone got paid nothing or column inches, but let's be accurate.

This is where you get in trouble -- off-the-cuff stuff where if people presume you're being accurate (because you sound as if you know for a fact what you're saying), and then they check things out, they wind up wondering how accurate you are about everything.

Singer didn't self publish. And he said many times that he turned down being paid by Gaming Today. Very easy to be misleading, isn't it?

Well, if Singer said it.....

[blackhole]

You need to reread what I wrote and not take it out of context.

I re-read it. Exact quote from Axelass :

"My experiences and the people I have meet directly related to my posting on this site is worth more than a million dollars to me."

This site he refers to is WOV. The same site Mike Shank had to beg for money to keep running with his tin cup thread.

Some fucking pal you are.

[redietz]

One comment and one correction regarding Singer:

1) "...has had books published" doesn't mean someone paid the author to publish them. In this day and age of self-publishing, not a big deal, but let's be precise.
2) "was a paid writer for Gaming Today" is incorrect. Again, not a big deal if someone got paid nothing or column inches, but let's be accurate.

This is where you get in trouble -- off-the-cuff stuff where if people presume you're being accurate (because you sound as if you know for a fact what you're saying), and then they check things out, they wind up wondering how accurate you are about everything.

Singer didn't self publish. And he said many times that he turned down being paid by Gaming Today. Very easy to be misleading, isn't it?

Well, if Singer said it.....

LOL. Easy to be misleading? I notice you didn't say Singer was paid by a publisher. I suppose there's a reason for that, eh? Since Singer's books, it turned out, were put out by the same press and crew that did Who's Who in Sports Gambling (1984), I know a mite more about his publishing ventures than you may think. Aw, I guess you didn't know that, eh?

And mickey, if he wasn't paid by Gaming Today, that would make him unpaid, regardless of whether he was offered pay or free tickets to the Sex Museum behind Circus Circus or bags of nachos from the vending machines at Gaming Today. See, that's what "unpaid" means -- you weren't paid. Kind of like the deal I had manwhoring for Raquel Welch. She wanted to pay me, but I said no need.

Did I ever show you the Lamborghini I bought with my manwhoring money? The pic is in the Retro Road Trip thread. I'm going to put it up for sale at www.lamborghini.com. I figure I can sell it in two days if I step out with a $35 classified.

[Darkoz]

You need to reread what I wrote and not take it out of context.

I re-read it. Exact quote from Axelass :

"My experiences and the people I have meet directly related to my posting on this site is worth more than a million dollars to me."

This site he refers to is WOV. The same site Mike Shank had to beg for money to keep running with his tin cup thread.

Some fucking pal you are.

That didn't sound like Axel was claiming he made a million dollars thanks to the WOV forum. Just sounded like he wouldn't give the colloquial million bucks for the experience.

I mean if I say a MDawg's claims are so funny I busted a gut are you going to check my medical records to see if I am lying?

[AxelWolf]

Singer didn't self publish. And he said many times that he turned down being paid by Gaming Today. Very easy to be misleading, isn't it?

Well, if Singer said it.....

LOL. Easy to be misleading? I notice you didn't say Singer was paid by a publisher. I suppose there's a reason for that, eh? Since Singer's books, it turned out, were put out by the same press and crew that did Who's Who in Sports Gambling (1984), I know a mite more about his publishing ventures than you may think. Aw, I guess you didn't know that, eh?

And mickey, if he wasn't paid by Gaming Today, that would make him unpaid, regardless of whether he was offered pay or free tickets to the Sex Museum behind Circus Circus or bags of nachos from the vending machines at Gaming Today. See, that's what "unpaid" means -- you weren't paid. Kind of like the deal I had manwhoring for Raquel Welch. She wanted to pay me, but I said no need.

I assumed he was paid somehow, if not, that's my mistake.

[AxelWolf]

His admitting to being an uneducated bum is admirable. I cry my eyes out. But it doesn't change the context - I'm just making trip reports, while he's professing to be an expert on everything gambling and the king of the casinos, and the UN-admitted arbiter of the forum set - like he decides what is real and what is not.

Never did I claim to be an expert on everything gambling, I have yet to find anyone that is, I highly doubt there is anyone, especially, when it comes to Advantage play.

I am never wrong when it comes to BS artists like you.

[AxelWolf]

You need to reread what I wrote and not take it out of context.

I re-read it. Exact quote from Axelass :

"My experiences and the people I have meet directly related to my posting on this site is worth more than a million dollars to me."

This site he refers to is WOV. The same site Mike Shank had to beg for money to keep running with his tin cup thread.

Some fucking pal you are.

That didn't sound like Axel was claiming he made a million dollars thanks to the WOV forum. Just sounded like he wouldn't give the colloquial million bucks for the experience.

I mean if I say a MDawg's claims are so funny I busted a gut are you going to check my medical records to see if I am lying?

I thought that was obvious. But, Neverminded Blackhole, the name says it all. He seems to have burring hate for Advantage Players due to his inability to figure it out himself, meanwhile losing significant amounts of money while gambling in the past. His hate for AP's was one of the main reasons I avoided meeting up with him. I already explained the reasons. If you go back, it wasn't until he mentioned he had cancer that I tried to extend an olive branch.

[MDawg]

I could rehash the specific instances where he has demonstrated that he knows little or nothing about high end table game play, how markers work or how a high roller would cash out a seven figure win (show me the CTR? anyone?), but...WHY? The main reason I know his sense of intuition is as loused up as his knowledge of high end gaming is that he's so utterly wrong, about me.


I mean, at this point the guy's not even worth much more than a copy/paste of what I already wrote elsewhere. I already said it all in post #1!

*sigh.

[Darkoz]

I could rehash the specific instances where he has demonstrated that he knows little or nothing about high end table game play, how markers work or how a high roller would cash out a seven figure win (show me the CTR? anyone?), but...WHY? The main reason I know his sense of intuition is as loused up as his knowledge of high end gaming is that he's so utterly wrong, about me.


I mean, at this point the guy's not even worth much more than a copy/paste of what I already wrote elsewhere. I already said it all in post #1!

*sigh.

MDawg,

One unique aspect of AP is you don't want to be noticed. That includes NOT being a conspicuous high roller.

Anonymity is golden when taking large amounts of money from Casinos.

Cheques, markers, deposits, hosts, and even winning Jackpots can be things to avoid.

When everyone else brags about winning Jackpots and hosts paying attention, an AP may be wincing in agony

[kewlJ]

I could rehash the specific instances where he has demonstrated that he knows little or nothing about high end table game play, how markers work or how a high roller would cash out a seven figure win (show me the CTR? anyone?)

You have beat this point to death. I guess you think it proves something. It doesn't. I also don't know exactly how markers work. I mean I have a vague understanding but have never taken one. It is not what I do. It doesn't mean squat.

And if Axelwolf said something wrong about Markers, for which I would think he rarely uses, that means nothing either. It certainly doesn't compare to a player claiming to beat a negative expectation game over the long run. Now that is miraculous stuff that requires an explanation.

This minor point you keep rehashing reminds me of another guy that occasionally posts on this forum. A decade ago he was into blackjack (now baccarat), but a decade ago he used to point to this tiny mistake in one of the early blackjack book as evident that blackjack card counting didn't work. That tiny mistake meant nothing of the sort.

[coach belly]

I guess you think it proves something. It doesn't.

Yes it does...it proves that Axel's not qualified to judge whether or not MDawg's trip reports are truthful.

He's claimed that the photos of MDawg's markers are fake.

He's not qualified to make that assessment if he doesn't even know how markers work.

[kewlJ]

I guess you think it proves something. It doesn't.

Yes it does...it proves that Axel's not qualified to judge whether or not MDawg's trip reports are truthful.

MDawg's trip reports are not truthful for 2 reasons and it has nothing to do with markers.

1.) he never loses playing a negative expectation game. And this is dating, many, many trips over years, That is mathematically impossible...period! At one point, I beleive it was earlier last year, he even stated he would continue to win at the same rate (every time) going forward. And then magically...he did just that. It is fantasy stuff.

2.) The casino, any casino, but especially the top end casinos he is dealing with, are not just going to keep giving the free suites, and gifts, and everything he claims he gets to a player that keeps winning. That is not how their business works. (t)Eliot explained, how he was called in as an expert, by casinos in a very similar situation. In that instance, his advice was the player was not playing a winning game and eventually would lose. And that is what happened.

But if it doesn't the casino is going to put an end to it one way or another. They just will not allow a player to keep winning and then give him anything and everything under the sun on top of that. By this business model that MDawg is claiming, casinos would go broke. Anyone claiming that would go on for as long as MDawg now claims, just doesn't understand the casino business model.

Even at the very low end, that I represent, stopping all the casino freebies and comps are the very first countermeasure, even before the casino had determined anything else about the player.

[AxelWolf]

I could rehash the specific instances where he has demonstrated that he knows little or nothing about high end table game play, how markers work or how a high roller would cash out a seven figure win (show me the CTR? anyone?), but...WHY? The main reason I know his sense of intuition is as loused up as his knowledge of high end gaming is that he's so utterly wrong, about me.


I mean, at this point the guy's not even worth much more than a copy/paste of what I already wrote elsewhere. I already said it all in post #1!

*sigh.

You can't demonstrate that because you have no idea why I said that. A: it could have been a faux pas in my wording, or it very likely I wanted to see how he would respond. I knew and know exactly what a CTR IS and how they work. I can probably even go back and find a post that predates that post where I talk about CTR's I have been CTR'ed multiple times and there are court document's proving it. I myself have had to report wins and losses leading to CTR when I worked at a casino.

[AxelWolf]

I guess you think it proves something. It doesn't.

Yes it does...it proves that Axel's not qualified to judge whether or not MDawg's trip reports are truthful.

He's claimed that the photos of MDawg's markers are fake.

He's not qualified to make that assessment if he doesn't even know how markers work.

Only a few fools or someone who sucks in judgments of that kind believe anything he says, so theres that.

[MDawg]

Let's consider just 2020. I've posted trip reports all year. One was the tail end of a trip that started after Christmas and extended into January 2020, then two pretty long trips, Feb/March 2020, and Oct/Nov 2020. For each trip I posted detailed session reports, and cumulative wins, per resort and per trip.

Then...come January 2021, I posted the actual video of the win/loss from each casino. Lo and behold! the dollar amounts matched! pretty closely the exact sums claimed that I had won in my trip reports, for each casino.

Now, even The Bum concedes that the win statements are genuine. He has some vague theory that they belong to someone else, that I somehow convinced somehow to let me login to his casino accounts and show off his wins.

You offer some explanation other than the obvious - that I played at the casinos and won - for how those win statements match what I claimed to have won, cumulatively, during the year. Do I know an infinite number of winning table game players such that I am able to cull win statements from a vast assortment, to match the sums needed to corroborate my wins that I have posted all year long?

In the end, you're just comparing your own misfortune with my good experience. And speculating to no end. Just because you couldn't do it, or don't think you could do it, doesn't mean that I haven't been. And anyway, what does it matter what you think might be true? The facts speak for themselves.