My issue with AxelWolf

[kewlJ]

You are twisting that story that you keep repeating.

How so?

For starters, Eliot's story shows that the casino is not going to just continue to comp someone winning to no end, which is something you and Mdawg argue they will. It the case of Eliot's story, they called in math experts and were convinced by the experts that the player would indeed start losing. Had he not started losing, they would not have let it go on much longer. The fact that they took the action shows that.

Now if you read Eliot's post on Dec 5, 2020 at 10:46 am, he states that for a player to be ahead, playing negative EV game after two years of extensive play, that would be a three (3) standard deviation event, or a 1 in 600 chance. Is that what you and MDawg are claiming? That his great adventure is just a 1 in 600 chance of dumb luck? And if that is what you are claiming then we can expect that in the near future, he starts losing and loses it all back. Because for that not to be the outcome and him continue to win, the odds go astronomically higher. So I guess we have that to look forward to.

One other thing about Eliot's story is the amount of play involved. The more a player plays a -EV game, the more it has to catch up with him. Eliot was vague on what the total amount of play was with the high roller he evaluated. A number of trips over a couple years. But I will bet those trips weren't for 6 weeks, 2 months at a time. Most gamblers a trip to Vegas is a few days. So Eliots high roller amost assuredly had much less play that MDawg claims with his 6 weeks at a time trips. Much much more play involved, making the chance of winning, playing a -Ev game, much much less likely....like up into the impossible range.

[Ozzy]

So MDawg advises his friends not to play bac as he does because they don't make the same decisions as he does? Well, there is a lot of decision making in bac. Let's see. You have to choose to put your money out or not. And you have to choose between banker or player.

Wow! That's some real heavy duty thinking there. You would need an I.Q. of....of....at least....well....at least 40. It's mind boggling just thinking about it. So much tougher than card counting....or learning video poker strategies....or playing live poker correctly.

So I don't blame MDawg for advising his friends not to play. They are not as smart as he is. You have to be a fricking brain surgeon to figure out when to bet and whether to bet on player or banker. I mean, there could be volumes of books written about it. The complexities of the game would take a lifetime to master.

Now, let's see. Do I want player or banker? Player or banker? Player or banker? Damn....that's a tough one. I wish MDawg would write a book about it. Or ten books. Maybe if I study for a lifetime I might get it.

Hard to improve on the mickeycrimm argument.

I have two semi-qualifications to have an opinion on MDawg's storyline. First, I have spent somewhere around 40K hours in casinos lifetime. Your normal dusk-to-dawn casino employee has spent more, but not from the angle of beating the casino (or, in my case, the sports books). Second, I actually have done a little paranormal debunking in my life, even being invited at one point to be an investigator for the short-lived SSDPE (Society for the Scientific Documentation of Paranormal Experiments). And what MDawg is claiming in terms of results is clearly paranormal, as were "Singer's" video poker claims before he decided he was an AP.

If anyone wants my opinion on MDawg's storyline or angle, PM me. If you are willing to provide a real name to attach to your questions, email me at integritysports@aol.com.

I mean, the whole thing is silly. If MDawg were relating these stories at a Blackjack Ball, people would assume he was being comedic. Well, how or why should a forum devoted to gambling be qualitatively different from the Blackjack Ball?

I have more of an issue with Todd Witteles than I do with MDawg regarding the MDawg posts. Here's why. If a poker player came on here and claimed he did the poker equivalent of MDawg's baccarat tales, I'm reasonably sure Todd would step in immediately and give a stern lecture about reality and honor and all that. Instead, because the tales are about baccarat, Todd lets it all slide. So Todd doesn't really give a rat's ass about plebes playing baccarat with dreams of mass profits, or this site, or preventing casino moles from steering people wrong. Given how Todd fights for every scrap of comps (even worse than me, which is saying something), I find this decision by Todd to be inconsistent and weird.

I mean, it puts people like kewlJ and mickeycrimm and Axelwolf in the position of playing Todd's Poker Fraud Alert role here because Todd doesn't feel he needs to exercise "Casino Fraud Alert" warnings.

The whole thing is, of course, silly, but it does undermine the legitimate APs in the eyes of civilians because the MDawg stories run screamingly counter to math-based expectations.

There's no doubt Todd would call out bs, in regards to anything non believable in the casino industry, not just related to poker. The problem is, he DGAF about this place. It would benefit this place tremendously, for him to give his stance on things occasionally and post great threads like he used to do. He could care less about this forum, other then his sports picks.

[coach belly]

Eliot's story shows that the casino is not going to just continue to comp someone winning to no end.

You're reading something into the story that's not there.

Eliot's story shows nothing about comps, the story makes no mention of comps.

for a player to be ahead, playing negative EV game after two years of extensive play, that would be a three (3) standard deviation event, or a 1 in 600 chance. Is that what you and MDawg are claiming?

I've made no claims about MDawg, other than what he has claimed is not impossible.

That's confirmed by Dr Jacobson in the post that you reference above.

Eliot was vague on what the total amount of play was with the high roller he evaluated. A number of trips over a couple years. But I will bet those trips weren't for 6 weeks, 2 months at a time. Most gamblers a trip to Vegas is a few days. So Eliots high roller amost assuredly had much less play that MDawg claims with his 6 weeks at a time trips.

What you state above is nonsense that you made up, it has nothing to do with Jacobson's story.

So you're the one who is twisting Eliot's story.

[coach belly]

There's no doubt Todd would call out bs, in regards to anything non believable in the casino industry, not just related to poker.

The PFA intro page talks about criminals, scandals, scams, cheating, theft, etc.

How does any of this apply to the Adventures of MDawg?

Maybe he'd call "bullshit" on MDawg's trip reports,
but I don't get the impression he would be concerned about it,
or spend any time trying to debunk MDawg's claims.

[coach belly]

I said I know for a fact what he got suspended for. I didn't say how I knew or why I knew.

That's not a fact, it's an unsubstantiated claim.

[AxelWolf]

However, CB you'd have to agree that Rob's story was at best, inconsistent, at worst, a total joke.

I'm not concerned about whether or not Singer's story is true or not, that's Max's thing.

But as for the challenge...

Singer set the conditions, Max counters with - no, he'll do things his way, Singer says n/g - my way or the highway.

The only difference between this exercise and what happened between you & Axel,
is that you got suspended for sticking to your guns and not getting manipulated.

As you know, there was a lot of extraneous stuff going on in my challenge with AxelWolf. Namely, that an outside party was trying to pressure me into putting up the money up front, which were never my terms or understanding - at most, I said that I would consider such a request. Strangely, that same outside party that was pressuring me to put up the money up front, was advising me not to proceed with the wager at all!

I asked you to come up with a way(other than your word) to guarantee payment if I was successful. YOU AGREED TO DO THAT!! I only had 2 requirements before I started working on the challenge and none of them were unreasonable. A way to guarantee payment if I win. A fair way to judge. I came up with legit suggestions, you came up with nothing but BS and you tried to add more conditions. You just went on and on trying to convince me and others I couldn't do it. I have proof you wanted to back out some time before Mike suspended you.

[MDawg]

I have proof you wanted to back out some time before Mike suspended you.

You've got nothing. Just talk. I'm the only one who has ever posted any proof of anything.

[AxelWolf]

I have proof you wanted to back out some time before Mike suspended you.

You've got nothing. Just talk. I'm the only one who has ever posted any proof of anything.

ALL FAKED, JUST LIKE YOUR FAKE OFFER!!!!

[MDawg]

For once in your miserable tens of thousands of posts online life, post something to back up what you say. Where is the proof that backs up what you claim about my suspension by the Wizard?

[AxelWolf]

For once in your miserable tens of thousands of posts online life, post something to back up what you say. Where is the proof that backs up what you claim about my suspension by the Wizard?

I never claimed I had proof. I said I know for a fact. I wouldn't post up the proof in this situation no mater what. I think you know that and that's why you are asking for it.
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Can I post up a PM you sent me regarding the challenge?

[MDawg]

Didn't think so.

And what this comes down to, again, is that you spend your online life going around trying to throw shade on others, all the time providing zilch to back up anything you say.

What's interesting is...some people on here ask why I bother to post my Adventures. Well, then, taking it further, why do you bother to spend so much time talking about them? If I get nothing out of posting them you get less than nothing from talking about them! At least if you had something to say that would be something, but you don't - just speculation, and give it a few months and your faulty memory won't even remember why you said anything that you said in the first place!

[monet]

Still working the backdoor PM system during the Highly Contagious Pandemic eh?
Hustler got to Hustle I suppose.
Fuck those 55-1 odds that OnceDear claims.

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gamb.../4/#post793588

If you're going to be in Vegas around Super Bowl time, or you're looking for a good reason to come. shoot me a PM.