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Thread: Caveat Emptor should be left to the reader of the Vegas chronicles

  1. #41
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Mr. Mendelson never set out to deceive anyone.
    LOL...you sure have changed your tune about Alan.

  2. #42
    Originally Posted by coach belly View Post
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Mr. Mendelson never set out to deceive anyone.
    LOL...you sure have changed your tune about Alan.
    Well....

    Alan certainly set out to discredit me. And he was not truthful in some of the ways he did that, like the intentional blurry pictures of blackjack tables meant to show that a person could not see the next table.

    But all in all, I think and hope his attempt to discredit me wasn't intentional deceit. I hope it was more about it just didn't seem logical to him, a non player and he expressed that in a bit of an over zealous manner. I don't think Alan is a bad guy at his core. I hold no grudge and actually like Alan AND he shared some very useful information in the last year from which I benefited financially, so Alan is ok in my book.

  3. #43
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    I don't know where he got that number since we don't know the exact amount of play MDawg has engaged in
    Eliot's math wasn't specifically based on MDawg's play, but his big player story was that his guy consistently won...10s of millions over a period of almost 3 years.

    MDawg has stated that he's been playing since 2018.

    There's no point in assuming that Eliot's guy played less than MDawg, unless you're trying to fit an agenda.

    But your missing my point about your view of Eliot's story.

    You believe Eliot's big player story, but you don't believe MDawg's story, when they are equivalent stories.

    The difference is that Eliot's guy bet much more and won much more than MDawg, but it's the same story.

    Eliot didn't disclose his guy's name, but if Eliot wrote "the big player called himself MDawg" then would the story be all a big lie?

  4. #44
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    And he was not truthful in some of the ways he did that, like the intentional blurry pictures of blackjack tables meant to show that a person could not see the next table.
    He didn't take intentional blurry pictures, he didn't need to do that to make his point, and probably didn't even know how to do that, it's a point and shoot process with the phones, especially back then.

    You should apologize to him and let that go.

  5. #45
    Originally Posted by coach belly View Post
    Doesn't the claim below violate the admin's privacy?
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    The administrator flat out told me.
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Nope! I didn't name anyone. So how can that violate their privacy?
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    I know what is going on because Shackleford himself told me.

  6. #46
    Originally Posted by coach belly View Post
    if Eliot wrote "the big player called himself MDawg" then would the story be all a big lie?
    Not dealing in hypotheticals. You get Eliot to disclose that the "big player" was MDawg and then we can look into the specifics of the situation.

    The more important thing I took from Eliot's story is that the casino was not just going to let a player just keep winning and winning and winning and then give high end freebies on top of that. In this case they called in some experts and were convinced it would turn around shortly which it did.

    But both MDawg and you have indicated the casinos are fine with a player winning and winning and willing to still comp everything. Anyone that knows and understands this business knows that was nonsense.



    Originally Posted by coach belly View Post
    You should apologize to him and let that go.
    You are out of your mind. I am the one due an apology, but I don't require it. I am fine with Alan.

  7. #47
    Originally Posted by coach belly
    Dr. Jacobson explains the math here
    CB, you cherry picked and left out the key part of the analysis, namely: yeah, someone can win if they are an AP and play with a demonstrable advantage against the casino, and by report MDawg does not play with an advantage.

    Here's what Eliot wrote:

    "The winning is definitely possible. Playing a winning system, given what he has disclosed, is what is not possible. It's all about having information, and nothing that the poster has said at any point in any post they have made indicates that they have any information beyond what a recreational gambler has. That's all you need to know to dismiss everything they say about having a winning system. As for winning, that's irrelevant."
    What, Me Worry?

  8. #48
    Originally Posted by coach belly View Post



    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Nope! I didn't name anyone. So how can that violate their privacy?
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    I know what is going on because Shackleford himself told me.
    Could have been a different discussion about a different topic. I can't tell since you posted out of context.

  9. #49
    Originally Posted by MisterV View Post
    Originally Posted by coach belly
    Dr. Jacobson explains the math here
    CB, you cherry picked and left out the key part of the analysis, namely: yeah, someone can win if they are an AP and play with a demonstrable advantage against the casino, and by report MDawg does not play with an advantage.

    Here's what Eliot wrote:

    "The winning is definitely possible. Playing a winning system, given what he has disclosed, is what is not possible. It's all about having information, and nothing that the poster has said at any point in any post they have made indicates that they have any information beyond what a recreational gambler has. That's all you need to know to dismiss everything they say about having a winning system. As for winning, that's irrelevant."
    Good catch MisterV. Gee, coach belly, cherry-picking, taking things out of context and leaving out key parts that don't support his agenda. Well, that just doesn't sound like the honorable coach belly that we have all come to know.

  10. #50
    Originally Posted by coach belly
    What page did you pull Rule #3 from?
    Are you fucking shitting me?

    It's at the top of the page when you first come on to the Las Vegas section.

    It says "Sticky: Forum Rules - please read!
    Started by Dan Druff, 04-12-2020 05:09 PM"

    Let me guess: you never read them!

    Of course you didn't!

    I think you have your forums confused; the wiz might care about the "privacy" issue you are bleating about but Dan could give two shits about it.

    As it is NOT a violation of the printed rules, not a violation of any other rule Dan Druff may have made up along the way it is therefore NOT AN ISSUE ON THIS SITE.

    You want to whine about the small shit, go hit up the Wiz; but over here your straw man just combusts spontaneously.
    Last edited by MisterV; 01-25-2021 at 03:44 PM.
    What, Me Worry?

  11. #51
    Originally Posted by AndrewG View Post
    Frankly with all of the shenanigans we've seen in the last year someone tampering with the dice wouldn't surprise me. I recently heard of a Vegas casino which discovered the shooter applied some sort of sticky substance to the faces showing 2 which resulted in multiple hard 10s in succession. The scam was discovered when the stickman brought the dice back and the dice were stuck together on the sides with the twos.
    Shut it down, AndrewG and Alan Mendelson. --->

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  12. #52
    Originally Posted by MDawg View Post

    What about the case of KewlJ. This once young man was minding his own business when he read online about how card counting was the thing to do, and up and moved to Vegas to become a professional blackjack player. A decade or so later and he winds up LOSING and now he's sitting on his a** wondering what his next move might be. If the guy had never heard of card counting maybe by now he'd have himself a trade or career in something solid with a future, versus some occupation where the rug might be pulled out from under him at any time, with a swift kick out the casino door and a trespass warning.
    Nonsense, what the hell are you talking about? KewlJ, is sitting pretty, if he does any moving it will be to Beverly Hills. I bet you did not know that J in kewlJ stands for Jethro.


  13. #53
    Originally Posted by coach belly View Post
    if Eliot wrote "the big player called himself MDawg" then would the story be all a big lie?
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Not dealing in hypotheticals.
    Eliot never stated that the casino was not just going to let a player just keep winning and winning and winning and then give high end freebies on top of that...his story did not mention anything about freebies and comps.

    Eliot explained that MDawg's winning claims are not math-defying impossible claims.

    But you still insist that they are.

    Eliot tells a "winning at baccarat" story that you accept as truthful,
    MDawg tells an equivalent story, and you label his story impossible and call him a liar.

  14. #54
    Originally Posted by BoSox View Post
    Originally Posted by MDawg View Post

    What about the case of KewlJ. This once young man was minding his own business when he read online about how card counting was the thing to do, and up and moved to Vegas to become a professional blackjack player. A decade or so later and he winds up LOSING and now he's sitting on his a** wondering what his next move might be. If the guy had never heard of card counting maybe by now he'd have himself a trade or career in something solid with a future, versus some occupation where the rug might be pulled out from under him at any time, with a swift kick out the casino door and a trespass warning.
    Nonsense, what the hell are you talking about? KewlJ, is sitting pretty, if he does any moving it will be to Beverly Hills. I bet you did not know that J in kewlJ stands for Jethro.
    Hey, old Jethro (Max Baer jr) did pretty well for himself didn't he. Multi-millionaire, some of it from owning casinos. Pretty sure you won't catch me doing that. Kind of funny...his real name is maximillion.

  15. #55
    Originally Posted by coach belly View Post
    Originally Posted by coach belly View Post
    if Eliot wrote "the big player called himself MDawg" then would the story be all a big lie?
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Not dealing in hypotheticals.
    Eliot never stated that the casino was not just going to let a player just keep winning and winning and winning and then give high end freebies on top of that...his story did not mention anything about freebies and comps.

    Eliot explained that MDawg's winning claims are not math-defying impossible claims.

    But you still insist that they are.

    Eliot tells a "winning at baccarat" story that you accept as truthful,
    MDawg tells an equivalent story, and you label his story impossible and call him a liar.
    KewlJ, I have no idea why you are arguing with coach belly you already won hands down 90 posts ago. Oh, wait sorry coach no one ever wins a debate with you.

  16. #56
    Originally Posted by BoSox View Post

    KewlJ, I have no idea why you are arguing with coach belly you already won hands down 90 posts ago. Oh, wait sorry coach no one ever wins a debate with you.
    Bad weather day in Vegas, BoSox. Cold (44 degrees), rainy, windy. You know....another rainy day in Vegas! Actually has stopped rainy, but it is an indoor day, so here I am.

  17. #57
    Originally Posted by MisterV View Post
    CB, you cherry picked and left out the key part of the analysis, namely: yeah, someone can win if they are an AP and play with a demonstrable advantage against the casino, and by report MDawg does not play with an advantage.

    Here's what Eliot wrote:

    "The winning is definitely possible. Playing a winning system, given what he has disclosed, is what is not possible.
    You misunderstand what Eliot is stating.

    He states that a playing a winning system is not possible.

    But winning as MDawg has claimed is certainly possible.

    Eliot explains it that post, and with his big player story, that winning consistently over a period of 3 years at baccarat is possible.

    You're insisting that it's not possible...but you're obviously wrong about that.

  18. #58
    Originally Posted by kewlJ
    Bad weather day in Vegas, BoSox. Cold (44 degrees), rainy, windy. You know....another rainy day in Vegas! Actually has stopped rainy, but it is an indoor day, so here I am.
    KJ, I get your point, I think, but then again why would rain inhibit you from going to the casinos to ply you craft?

    I assume it's likely a "mood thing" as opposed to a real impediment.
    What, Me Worry?

  19. #59
    Originally Posted by coach belly View Post

    You misunderstand what Eliot is stating.

    He states that a playing a winning system is not possible.

    But winning as MDawg has claimed is certainly possible.
    OMG, it isn't just an act....YOU ARE retarted.

    Originally Posted by coach belly View Post

    Eliot explains it that post, and with his big player story, that winning consistently over a period of 3 years at baccarat is possible.

    You're insisting that it's not possible...but you're obviously wrong about that.
    Winning over 3 years.

    a,) Guy makes an annual overnight trips for a total of 3 trips, maybe 10 hours of play.

    b.) Guy makes 12 trips a year for several days at a time.

    c.) Guy (maybe someone we know) makes a number of annual trips for weeks and months at a time.

    Are all equal? of course not. So don't talk to me about 3 years of winning.

  20. #60
    Originally Posted by MisterV View Post
    I think you have your forums confused; the wiz might care about the "privacy" issue you are bleating about but Dan could give two shits about it.

    As it is NOT a violation of the printed rules, not a violation of any other rule Dan Druff may have made up along the way it is therefore NOT AN ISSUE ON THIS SITE.
    I never claimed that posting the contents of a private message without the sender's permission is a violation of VCT rules...that's your strawman argument.

    But it's definitely a character issue...as a general principle, it's likely that Dan would not approve of that behavior.

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