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  1. #41
    Originally Posted by MDawg View Post
    As long as I walk sufficiently ahead for the amount of time I have spent in town, I'm satisfied. Why shouldn't the dealers make money when I make money?

    Plus as I have mentioned time and again, if I'm trying to walk ahead, say, five grand, if I tip five hundred or so along the way via dealer bets alongside mine, it might delay my getting to five grand by some minutes, but it's not like I'll end up walking with 5500 versus 5000 if I do not place any dealer bets. When I reach my goal, I just leave.

    Anyone who comes on here to justify tipping little or nothing, such as for example the microscopic amounts KewlJ talks about tipping is just a tight a** as far as I am concerned. I cringe when I read about his tossing the dealer five dollars at the end of the session. Then again, yes, I understand, he's doing it for a living while I am not, but still, that's just cheesy giving the dealer only five dollars. That's what I tip per non-alcoholic beverage to the cocktail waitress, which is the same as many others tip too I am sure.

    I see some of the biggest Asian Baccarat players tip almost nothing, and yet they almost always lose in the end, while I tip a lot and win consistently.
    Originally Posted by AndrewG View Post
    How about high rollers who belly up to a craps table and win a bucket full of cash on another player's roll... should the rich guy tip the shooter?
    Of course. That's de rigueur. I haven't played craps in years, but my memories of big wins include the look on the shooter's face lighting up as I hand him a black chip or two, especially if the person was a small player. Sometimes money comes and goes but that sort of feeling lingers. That's actually the true definition of karma - not that if you do something good that something good will necessarily come back to you directly, but that if you do good things for people they might be inspired to pass along that positive energy, and then in the scheme of things, it might come back to you eventually.


    Now in this situation, I can see how the shooter didn't want to tip much...as she'd been stealing his chips all night.



    I actually met that guy in Vegas, and he dresses just like that in real life, with those glasses. He used to be the manager of the Bernini store at the Caesar's Forums shops. Now lives in Australia, last I heard from him.

    I've thought about that scenario a lot, that "Ace" and the floor crew just stood by and watched while she stole chips and then later threw them all over the place.



    I realize it was a movie, but it was supposed to be based on real life. Once some hustler stole a high denomination chip right off my table and got away with it - the casino later reimbursed me.
    Last edited by MDawg; 01-29-2021 at 05:56 AM.
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  2. #42
    Originally Posted by MDawg View Post
    Originally Posted by MDawg View Post
    As long as I walk sufficiently ahead for the amount of time I have spent in town, I'm satisfied. Why shouldn't the dealers make money when I make money?

    Plus as I have mentioned time and again, if I'm trying to walk ahead, say, five grand, if I tip five hundred or so along the way via dealer bets alongside mine, it might delay my getting to five grand by some minutes, but it's not like I'll end up walking with 5500 versus 5000 if I do not place any dealer bets. When I reach my goal, I just leave.

    Anyone who comes on here to justify tipping little or nothing, such as for example the microscopic amounts KewlJ talks about tipping is just a tight a** as far as I am concerned. I cringe when I read about his tossing the dealer five dollars at the end of the session. Then again, yes, I understand, he's doing it for a living while I am not, but still, that's just cheesy giving the dealer only five dollars. That's what I tip per non-alcoholic beverage to the cocktail waitress, which is the same as many others tip too I am sure.

    I see some of the biggest Asian Baccarat players tip almost nothing, and yet they almost always lose in the end, while I tip a lot and win consistently.
    Originally Posted by AndrewG View Post
    How about high rollers who belly up to a craps table and win a bucket full of cash on another player's roll... should the rich guy tip the shooter?
    Of course. That's de rigueur. I haven't played craps in years, but my memories of big wins include the look on the shooter's face lighting up as I hand him a black chip or two, especially if the person was a small player. Sometimes money comes and goes but that sort of feeling lingers. That's actually the true definition of karma - not that if you do something good that something good will necessarily come back to you directly, but that if you do good things for people they might be inspired to pass along that positive energy, and then in the scheme of things, it might come back to you eventually.


    Now in this situation, I can see how the shooter didn't want to tip much...as she'd been stealing his chips all night.



    I actually met that guy in Vegas, and he dresses just like that in real life, with those glasses. He used to be the manager of the Bernini store at the Caesar's Forums shops. Now lives in Australia, last I heard from him.

    I've thought about that scenario a lot, that "Ace" and the floor crew just stood by and watched while she stole chips and then later threw them all over the place.



    I realize it was a movie, but it was supposed to be based on real life. Once some hustler stole a high denomination chip right off my table and got away with it - the casino later reimbursed me.


    Aw, those were the days. I kept a change cup from The Tangiers as a remembrance. I'm occasionally tempted to sell it on ebay, but the memories are too fond.

  3. #43
    Originally Posted by MisterV View Post
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf
    I have played some craps in the past and I will play if theres something juicy.
    *lifts head off table, opens eyes*

    Axel, you've got my undivided attention: what to you would be a "juicy" craps situation that would induce you to play?
    Max pointed out a couple. It's one of those things where its hard to say until you actually see it. I could come up with all kinds of juicy situations that would induce me to play, but its doubtful you will ever see any of those situations. Depending on the situation, I would like to have something with a least a 3% advantage. Of course, if you told me I could sit there and free roll a .5 percent advantage while betting large amounts with a good hourly, I would jump at that chance as well.

    Normally you don't find that many Advantage Plays on craps like you would in the past on games like Black Jack.

    The first time I played craps was with a stack of $25 match plays, they didn't seem to care if you played 3 or 4 back to back(I have played lots of craps in the past paying match plays) I would leave go do something else and come back the next shift. I just bet the field to get it over in one roll. I did play some craps for mail back during the DI craze and even attempted DI, I quickly realized it was not practical, even if it was possible.

    I have went out and played some -EV craps with WOV members like Ahigh. It turned out to be +EV since got some fair mail when I played with him(that was at the SLS). It was free bets, and, or match plays, I don't recall now, but it was certainly a fair +EV craps situation. I meant to go back and see what what would happen if I played bigger, but, I never got round to it since there was better things in there to play with a better return. I have played a fair amount of bubble craps for various AP situations.

    There have been a few loss rebates where you could play table games. It's been a while but there was even a 100% unlimited loss rebate you could play on ANY game in the house. Craps was one of the games played. Over all, we did well. I took a bigger piece than others on that particular play. The only way you could lose money is if the casino stiffed you. AAMOF they tried to pull some BS and change the rules after the fact to make things difficult. However, gaming told them to honor the original rules.

    I have heard of situations where they were doubling certain hard ways or whatever. I have never found one of those promotions myself. I have a feeling if you will willing to travel outside the united States and search, you might find some good Craps opportunities. I'm no craps expert, and don't care to be. An expert craps player vs someone with a little knowledge are both playing with the same percentages.

  4. #44
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    Originally Posted by MisterV View Post
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf
    I have played some craps in the past and I will play if theres something juicy.
    *lifts head off table, opens eyes*

    Axel, you've got my undivided attention: what to you would be a "juicy" craps situation that would induce you to play?
    Max pointed out a couple. It's one of those things where its hard to say until you actually see it. I could come up with all kinds of juicy situations that would induce me to play, but its doubtful you will ever see any of those situations. Depending on the situation, I would like to have something with a least a 3% advantage. Of course, if you told me I could sit there and free roll a .5 percent advantage while betting large amounts with a good hourly, I would jump at that chance as well.

    Normally you don't find that many Advantage Plays on craps like you would in the past on games like Black Jack.

    The first time I played craps was with a stack of $25 match plays, they didn't seem to care if you played 3 or 4 back to back(I have played lots of craps in the past paying match plays) I would leave go do something else and come back the next shift. I just bet the field to get it over in one roll. I did play some craps for mail back during the DI craze and even attempted DI, I quickly realized it was not practical, even if it was possible.

    I have went out and played some -EV craps with WOV members like Ahigh. It turned out to be +EV since got some fair mail when I played with him(that was at the SLS). It was free bets, and, or match plays, I don't recall now, but it was certainly a fair +EV craps situation. I meant to go back and see what what would happen if I played bigger, but, I never got round to it since there was better things in there to play with a better return. I have played a fair amount of bubble craps for various AP situations.

    There have been a few loss rebates where you could play table games. It's been a while but there was even a 100% unlimited loss rebate you could play on ANY game in the house. Craps was one of the games played. Over all, we did well. I took a bigger piece than others on that particular play. The only way you could lose money is if the casino stiffed you. AAMOF they tried to pull some BS and change the rules after the fact to make things difficult. However, gaming told them to honor the original rules.

    I have heard of situations where they were doubling certain hard ways or whatever. I have never found one of those promotions myself. I have a feeling if you will willing to travel outside the united States and search, you might find some good Craps opportunities. I'm no craps expert, and don't care to be. An expert craps player vs someone with a little knowledge are both playing with the same percentages.
    Too bad Ahigh's pinballs never made it to the floor - I would have taken a shot if they did.

  5. #45
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    Originally Posted by MisterV View Post

    *lifts head off table, opens eyes*

    Axel, you've got my undivided attention: what to you would be a "juicy" craps situation that would induce you to play?
    Max pointed out a couple. It's one of those things where its hard to say until you actually see it. I could come up with all kinds of juicy situations that would induce me to play, but its doubtful you will ever see any of those situations. Depending on the situation, I would like to have something with a least a 3% advantage. Of course, if you told me I could sit there and free roll a .5 percent advantage while betting large amounts with a good hourly, I would jump at that chance as well.

    Normally you don't find that many Advantage Plays on craps like you would in the past on games like Black Jack.

    The first time I played craps was with a stack of $25 match plays, they didn't seem to care if you played 3 or 4 back to back(I have played lots of craps in the past paying match plays) I would leave go do something else and come back the next shift. I just bet the field to get it over in one roll. I did play some craps for mail back during the DI craze and even attempted DI, I quickly realized it was not practical, even if it was possible.

    I have went out and played some -EV craps with WOV members like Ahigh. It turned out to be +EV since got some fair mail when I played with him(that was at the SLS). It was free bets, and, or match plays, I don't recall now, but it was certainly a fair +EV craps situation. I meant to go back and see what what would happen if I played bigger, but, I never got round to it since there was better things in there to play with a better return. I have played a fair amount of bubble craps for various AP situations.

    There have been a few loss rebates where you could play table games. It's been a while but there was even a 100% unlimited loss rebate you could play on ANY game in the house. Craps was one of the games played. Over all, we did well. I took a bigger piece than others on that particular play. The only way you could lose money is if the casino stiffed you. AAMOF they tried to pull some BS and change the rules after the fact to make things difficult. However, gaming told them to honor the original rules.

    I have heard of situations where they were doubling certain hard ways or whatever. I have never found one of those promotions myself. I have a feeling if you will willing to travel outside the united States and search, you might find some good Craps opportunities. I'm no craps expert, and don't care to be. An expert craps player vs someone with a little knowledge are both playing with the same percentages.
    Too bad Ahigh's pinballs never made it to the floor - I would have taken a shot if they did.
    I actually played it at The gaming Show. After playing it one time, I challenged Ahigh and anyone on his team to some money matches. I think it was $50 per game. I beat them easy a few times, I may have even offered some odds after that. No one wanted to play with me anymore. To be fair, they were not there to play me Heads Up pinball all day, they were there to sell their game. I'm sure I would have been AP'ing that game all the time had it hit the casinos. I like playing pinball with others, but not so much solo.

  6. #46
    Originally Posted by MisterV View Post
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf
    I have played some craps in the past and I will play if theres something juicy.
    *lifts head off table, opens eyes*

    Axel, you've got my undivided attention: what to you would be a "juicy" craps situation that would induce you to play?
    What will the craps action get you in the way of mail/freeplay/matchplay and/or drawings/freerolls/special events.

    What is the equity?

    The Don't Pass with 3X Odds is .34% house edge. A 100K wager is just a $340 theoretical loss. What is your equity in the mail/freeplay/matchplay/drawings/freerolls/special events?

    The El Dorado in Reno used to be a good spot to run craps action because of all the above.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  7. #47
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    Max pointed out a couple. It's one of those things where its hard to say until you actually see it. I could come up with all kinds of juicy situations that would induce me to play, but its doubtful you will ever see any of those situations. Depending on the situation, I would like to have something with a least a 3% advantage. Of course, if you told me I could sit there and free roll a .5 percent advantage while betting large amounts with a good hourly, I would jump at that chance as well.

    Normally you don't find that many Advantage Plays on craps like you would in the past on games like Black Jack.

    The first time I played craps was with a stack of $25 match plays, they didn't seem to care if you played 3 or 4 back to back(I have played lots of craps in the past paying match plays) I would leave go do something else and come back the next shift. I just bet the field to get it over in one roll. I did play some craps for mail back during the DI craze and even attempted DI, I quickly realized it was not practical, even if it was possible.

    I have went out and played some -EV craps with WOV members like Ahigh. It turned out to be +EV since got some fair mail when I played with him(that was at the SLS). It was free bets, and, or match plays, I don't recall now, but it was certainly a fair +EV craps situation. I meant to go back and see what what would happen if I played bigger, but, I never got round to it since there was better things in there to play with a better return. I have played a fair amount of bubble craps for various AP situations.

    There have been a few loss rebates where you could play table games. It's been a while but there was even a 100% unlimited loss rebate you could play on ANY game in the house. Craps was one of the games played. Over all, we did well. I took a bigger piece than others on that particular play. The only way you could lose money is if the casino stiffed you. AAMOF they tried to pull some BS and change the rules after the fact to make things difficult. However, gaming told them to honor the original rules.

    I have heard of situations where they were doubling certain hard ways or whatever. I have never found one of those promotions myself. I have a feeling if you will willing to travel outside the united States and search, you might find some good Craps opportunities. I'm no craps expert, and don't care to be. An expert craps player vs someone with a little knowledge are both playing with the same percentages.
    Too bad Ahigh's pinballs never made it to the floor - I would have taken a shot if they did.
    I actually played it at The gaming Show. After playing it one time, I challenged Ahigh and anyone on his team to some money matches. I think it was $50 per game. I beat them easy a few times, I may have even offered some odds after that. No one wanted to play with me anymore. To be fair, they were not there to play me Heads Up pinball all day, they were there to sell their game. I'm sure I would have been AP'ing that game all the time had it hit the casinos. I like playing pinball with others, but not so much solo.
    I hope another company will take up the mantle and get a virtual pinball machine on the floor. It did seem like Gamblit Gaming was going to offer a Playboy themed virtual pinball (as part of a suite that would include other skill games as well - all of which to be offered on the same kiosk), but that one seemed to fizzle too.

  8. #48
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post

    Too bad Ahigh's pinballs never made it to the floor - I would have taken a shot if they did.
    I actually played it at The gaming Show. After playing it one time, I challenged Ahigh and anyone on his team to some money matches. I think it was $50 per game. I beat them easy a few times, I may have even offered some odds after that. No one wanted to play with me anymore. To be fair, they were not there to play me Heads Up pinball all day, they were there to sell their game. I'm sure I would have been AP'ing that game all the time had it hit the casinos. I like playing pinball with others, but not so much solo.
    I hope another company will take up the mantle and get a virtual pinball machine on the floor. It did seem like Gamblit Gaming was going to offer a Playboy themed virtual pinball (as part of a suite that would include other skill games as well - all of which to be offered on the same kiosk), but that one seemed to fizzle too.
    I've messed around a tiny bit with some of those gamblits skill games where you compete against others, but the vig seem too high, and I didn't see enough ploppies playing to make it worthwhile. I didn't really investigate much further, so perhaps somebody could go around making a living playing those. If that was the case, I think I would have heard about it by now.

    The Texas Tea pinball was definitely a nice vulture game because the skill factor limited the number of vultures targeting them. It's really too bad those didn't take off and proliferate, I think I would have acquired a nice pair of machine Hustler shoes and started pounding the pavement since I really enjoyed those.

    I think I'm fairly good at pinball for someone who doesn't play all that often, probably once every 3 or 4 years. I played as a kid but probably not much more than the average boy at the time. Of course, then you watch some Pinball Wizard and quickly realized just how good some people are at certain things.

    Here's an interesting story. Shortly after those Texas Tee pinball machines first came out, me and Mike we're hanging out at the Venetian, It just before an event or something, I can't remember why we were there.

    I told him I want to do a little experimenting and see how they worked since I had never played them before. I think I tossed in $20 or $40 and entered the bonus round quickly. On my very first attempt I made it through all three stages and won the bonus. The bonus wasn't very high, I think it was about 70 bucks. I remember Mike saying, well if it's that easy it probably isn't going to be a very good advantage play. I was kind of thinking the same thing. At the time, I really didn't know much about the machines and how lucrative player funded banking was. I even had a bad experience with one where I got pounded. It wasn't for quite a while after that when I started looking into them again, unfortunately, by then, there were quite a few guys targeting them. I'm not sure why, but the Egyptian pinball version fairly difficult for me to complete all three stages, it took multiple tries each time, until I finally figured it out. To this day, I wouldn't be confident enough to say I could get through all three stages on the first try since I haven't played one in a while.

  9. #49
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    me and Mike we're hanging out at the Venetian
    Exculpatory evidence, con man.

  10. #50
    Originally Posted by coach belly View Post
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    me and Mike we're hanging out at the Venetian
    Exculpatory evidence, con man.
    Said the guy that everyone knows as an anonymous serial Forum troll. A post like this just proves it. When you have nothing else just make stupid post and say con man. If that's how you want to play, I'm not going to play with you anymore.

  11. #51
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    I'm not going to play with you anymore.
    Who cares? You're a broken toy.

  12. #52
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    Originally Posted by coach belly View Post
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    me and Mike we're hanging out at the Venetian
    Exculpatory evidence, con man.
    Said the guy that everyone knows as an anonymous serial Forum troll. A post like this just proves it. When you have nothing else just make stupid post and say con man. If that's how you want to play, I'm not going to play with you anymore.

    Since you guys are hanging at the Venetian, I have a question regarding Venetian comp policies. About 15 years ago, I signed up for their club so I could get tracked at the sports book. I had not been a member prior to that. It was a big boxing weekend, and I made a 10K bet on a boxing match as a favor. The bet lost. I never got one postcard or email offer from them afterwards. Nothing at all. Now why would that place not want some white guy with no prior tracked history and a quick 10K loss as a customer? Why wouldn't they send me an offer of some kind?

    I checked back another time and they had me on file, so they didn't lose me in the system. And yeah, I know the "white dude" comment is semi-racist, but we're talking an Adelson property here, so there is a rationale to mentioning my race.

  13. #53
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Since you guys are hanging at the Venetian, I have a question regarding Venetian comp policies. About 15 years ago, I signed up for their club so I could get tracked at the sports book. I had not been a member prior to that. It was a big boxing weekend, and I made a 10K bet on a boxing match as a favor. The bet lost. I never got one postcard or email offer from them afterwards. Nothing at all. Now why would that place not want some white guy with no prior tracked history and a quick 10K loss as a customer? Why wouldn't they send me an offer of some kind?

    I checked back another time and they had me on file, so they didn't lose me in the system. And yeah, I know the "white dude" comment is semi-racist, but we're talking an Adelson property here, so there is a rationale to mentioning my race.
    I didn't realize how much of a Fucking Phony you are.
    Perhaps you got really Drunk or High before you made this post?
    No such thing as Semi-Racist.
    Either you are making Racist comments or you are not.
    You and all your Bullshit about Singer and his Slant-Eyed comments and now you come in here Bullshitting us with this Semi-Racist Bullshit... Fuck Off!
    After your post, it is clear that you really do just like to post to cause reactions and to basically Fuck with people.
    Here you are Fucking with a Tipping thread talking about the Sports Book and its Comp System.
    Which you admit, you know nothing about!?

    For being such an experienced sports bettor this story you tell completely contradicts your years of posting.
    I guess the line was so good that you couldn't break the 10k apart around town.
    2 Minutes before Post Time perhaps?
    How do you not understand how the Vegas Sportsbook Comp System works being so experienced and knowing many major players on both sides of the fence?
    Vegas Sportsbook Comp System is a contradiction unto itself.
    You have lost any and all credibility with this last post of yours.
    Nice Job.
    Last edited by monet; 01-29-2021 at 07:52 PM.

  14. #54
    Originally Posted by monet View Post
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Since you guys are hanging at the Venetian, I have a question regarding Venetian comp policies. About 15 years ago, I signed up for their club so I could get tracked at the sports book. I had not been a member prior to that. It was a big boxing weekend, and I made a 10K bet on a boxing match as a favor. The bet lost. I never got one postcard or email offer from them afterwards. Nothing at all. Now why would that place not want some white guy with no prior tracked history and a quick 10K loss as a customer? Why wouldn't they send me an offer of some kind?

    I checked back another time and they had me on file, so they didn't lose me in the system. And yeah, I know the "white dude" comment is semi-racist, but we're talking an Adelson property here, so there is a rationale to mentioning my race.
    I didn't realize how much of a Fucking Phony you are.
    Perhaps you got really Drunk or High before you made this post?
    No such thing as Semi-Racist.
    Either you are making Racist comments or you are not.
    You and all your Bullshit about Singer and his Slant-Eyed comments and now you come in here Bullshitting us with this Semi-Racist Bullshit... Fuck Off!
    After your post, it is clear that you really do just like to post to cause reactions and to basically Fuck with people.
    Here you are Fucking with a Tipping thread talking about the Sports Book and its Comp System.
    Which you admit, you know nothing about!?

    For being such an experienced sports bettor this story you tell completely contradicts your years of posting.
    I guess the line was so good that you couldn't break the 10k apart around town.
    2 Minutes before Post Time perhaps?
    How do you not understand how the Vegas Sportsbook Comp System works being so experienced and knowing many major players on both sides of the fence?
    Vegas Sportsbook Comp System is a contradiction unto itself.
    You have lost any and all credibility with this last post of yours.
    Nice Job.

    You're a genius, monet. Why would I break up a bet when the Venetian had the best odds? I mean, do you have any clue what you're talking about?

    The reason I posed the question is that Shackleford worked for the Venetian for a stretch, and since Axelwolf was with him, it was worth asking. I've never encountered a place that blew off a virgin 10K bettor without a track record who was a recent sign-up. I would have expected some serious ads via email and mailer, at the least. Some intro discount offers; maybe a free meal offer on my next trip or something. They never even contacted me.

    I likely know more about the history of sports comps in town than you and the rest of the forum combined. I mean, c'mon, dude, there is no "Vegas Sportbook Comp System." What are you talking about?

    You're a low-end, mega-addict hustler -- LOL -- not that there's anything wrong with that. Stick with what you know.

  15. #55
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    Originally Posted by coach belly View Post

    Exculpatory evidence, con man.
    Said the guy that everyone knows as an anonymous serial Forum troll. A post like this just proves it. When you have nothing else just make stupid post and say con man. If that's how you want to play, I'm not going to play with you anymore.

    Since you guys are hanging at the Venetian, I have a question regarding Venetian comp policies. About 15 years ago, I signed up for their club so I could get tracked at the sports book. I had not been a member prior to that. It was a big boxing weekend, and I made a 10K bet on a boxing match as a favor. The bet lost. I never got one postcard or email offer from them afterwards. Nothing at all. Now why would that place not want some white guy with no prior tracked history and a quick 10K loss as a customer? Why wouldn't they send me an offer of some kind?

    I checked back another time and they had me on file, so they didn't lose me in the system. And yeah, I know the "white dude" comment is semi-racist, but we're talking an Adelson property here, so there is a rationale to mentioning my race.
    15 years ago you made a 10k bet for someone else? I don't know that I would admit that .

    I don't think I have ever got that many offers related to sports other than Super Bowl Invites, contests and run of the mill promos. I doubt I have ever signed up at a casino for the sole purpose of betting sports, I would have prior slot, VP, or table play, so there would be no way for me to know what offers were related to a sports book. If you lose enough at a few locations in AC a host might contact you and make you a good deposit offer. 15 years ago, I never heard anyone talking about getting anything good at land base casinos based on their sports betting. Did you ever get into betting sports online back in the heyday of online casino bonuses? its was super good in the early 200O's with huge bonuses even for lager deposits. There was a small network of people that passed on information about what casinos were good and what casinos were not so good. Sometimes you might get stiffed, but it was soo good that you could afford to get sniffed and still make a killing.

  16. #56
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    Said the guy that everyone knows as an anonymous serial Forum troll. A post like this just proves it. When you have nothing else just make stupid post and say con man. If that's how you want to play, I'm not going to play with you anymore.

    Since you guys are hanging at the Venetian, I have a question regarding Venetian comp policies. About 15 years ago, I signed up for their club so I could get tracked at the sports book. I had not been a member prior to that. It was a big boxing weekend, and I made a 10K bet on a boxing match as a favor. The bet lost. I never got one postcard or email offer from them afterwards. Nothing at all. Now why would that place not want some white guy with no prior tracked history and a quick 10K loss as a customer? Why wouldn't they send me an offer of some kind?

    I checked back another time and they had me on file, so they didn't lose me in the system. And yeah, I know the "white dude" comment is semi-racist, but we're talking an Adelson property here, so there is a rationale to mentioning my race.
    15 years ago you made a 10k bet for someone else? I don't know that I would admit that .

    I don't think I have ever got that many offers related to sports other than Super Bowl Invites, contests and run of the mill promos. I doubt I have ever signed up at a casino for the sole purpose of betting sports, I would have prior slot, VP, or table play, so there would be no way for me to know what offers were related to a sports book. If you lose enough at a few locations in AC a host might contact you and make you a good deposit offer. 15 years ago, I never heard anyone talking about getting anything good at land base casinos based on their sports betting. Did you ever get into betting sports online back in the heyday of online casino bonuses? its was super good in the early 200O's with huge bonuses even for lager deposits. There was a small network of people that passed on information about what casinos were good and what casinos were not so good. Sometimes you might get stiffed, but it was soo good that you could afford to get sniffed and still make a killing.

    Axel, I never said I "made a bet for somebody else." LOL. I said I made a bet "as a favor."

    You gotta dig the nuances of the jargon. They are worlds apart.

  17. #57
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    I actually played it at The gaming Show. After playing it one time, I challenged Ahigh and anyone on his team to some money matches. I think it was $50 per game. I beat them easy a few times, I may have even offered some odds after that. No one wanted to play with me anymore. To be fair, they were not there to play me Heads Up pinball all day, they were there to sell their game. I'm sure I would have been AP'ing that game all the time had it hit the casinos. I like playing pinball with others, but not so much solo.
    I hope another company will take up the mantle and get a virtual pinball machine on the floor. It did seem like Gamblit Gaming was going to offer a Playboy themed virtual pinball (as part of a suite that would include other skill games as well - all of which to be offered on the same kiosk), but that one seemed to fizzle too.
    I've messed around a tiny bit with some of those gamblits skill games where you compete against others, but the vig seem too high, and I didn't see enough ploppies playing to make it worthwhile. I didn't really investigate much further, so perhaps somebody could go around making a living playing those. If that was the case, I think I would have heard about it by now.

    The Texas Tea pinball was definitely a nice vulture game because the skill factor limited the number of vultures targeting them. It's really too bad those didn't take off and proliferate, I think I would have acquired a nice pair of machine Hustler shoes and started pounding the pavement since I really enjoyed those.

    I think I'm fairly good at pinball for someone who doesn't play all that often, probably once every 3 or 4 years. I played as a kid but probably not much more than the average boy at the time. Of course, then you watch some Pinball Wizard and quickly realized just how good some people are at certain things.

    Here's an interesting story. Shortly after those Texas Tee pinball machines first came out, me and Mike we're hanging out at the Venetian, It just before an event or something, I can't remember why we were there.

    I told him I want to do a little experimenting and see how they worked since I had never played them before. I think I tossed in $20 or $40 and entered the bonus round quickly. On my very first attempt I made it through all three stages and won the bonus. The bonus wasn't very high, I think it was about 70 bucks. I remember Mike saying, well if it's that easy it probably isn't going to be a very good advantage play. I was kind of thinking the same thing. At the time, I really didn't know much about the machines and how lucrative player funded banking was. I even had a bad experience with one where I got pounded. It wasn't for quite a while after that when I started looking into them again, unfortunately, by then, there were quite a few guys targeting them. I'm not sure why, but the Egyptian pinball version fairly difficult for me to complete all three stages, it took multiple tries each time, until I finally figured it out. To this day, I wouldn't be confident enough to say I could get through all three stages on the first try since I haven't played one in a while.
    The money maxed out at about $650. Then it would wrap around. Sometimes you got to collect the max bonus two or three times. This was usually when I would find one way out in the boondocks. Like, White Cloud, Kansas. I've heard of guys finding as much as 15K banked up.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  18. #58
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    I actually played it at The gaming Show. After playing it one time, I challenged Ahigh and anyone on his team to some money matches. I think it was $50 per game. I beat them easy a few times, I may have even offered some odds after that. No one wanted to play with me anymore. To be fair, they were not there to play me Heads Up pinball all day, they were there to sell their game. I'm sure I would have been AP'ing that game all the time had it hit the casinos. I like playing pinball with others, but not so much solo.
    I hope another company will take up the mantle and get a virtual pinball machine on the floor. It did seem like Gamblit Gaming was going to offer a Playboy themed virtual pinball (as part of a suite that would include other skill games as well - all of which to be offered on the same kiosk), but that one seemed to fizzle too.
    I've messed around a tiny bit with some of those gamblits skill games where you compete against others, but the vig seem too high, and I didn't see enough ploppies playing to make it worthwhile. I didn't really investigate much further, so perhaps somebody could go around making a living playing those. If that was the case, I think I would have heard about it by now.

    The Texas Tea pinball was definitely a nice vulture game because the skill factor limited the number of vultures targeting them. It's really too bad those didn't take off and proliferate, I think I would have acquired a nice pair of machine Hustler shoes and started pounding the pavement since I really enjoyed those.

    I think I'm fairly good at pinball for someone who doesn't play all that often, probably once every 3 or 4 years. I played as a kid but probably not much more than the average boy at the time. Of course, then you watch some Pinball Wizard and quickly realized just how good some people are at certain things.

    Here's an interesting story. Shortly after those Texas Tee pinball machines first came out, me and Mike we're hanging out at the Venetian, It just before an event or something, I can't remember why we were there.

    I told him I want to do a little experimenting and see how they worked since I had never played them before. I think I tossed in $20 or $40 and entered the bonus round quickly. On my very first attempt I made it through all three stages and won the bonus. The bonus wasn't very high, I think it was about 70 bucks. I remember Mike saying, well if it's that easy it probably isn't going to be a very good advantage play. I was kind of thinking the same thing. At the time, I really didn't know much about the machines and how lucrative player funded banking was. I even had a bad experience with one where I got pounded. It wasn't for quite a while after that when I started looking into them again, unfortunately, by then, there were quite a few guys targeting them. I'm not sure why, but the Egyptian pinball version fairly difficult for me to complete all three stages, it took multiple tries each time, until I finally figured it out. To this day, I wouldn't be confident enough to say I could get through all three stages on the first try since I haven't played one in a while.
    I would have been more inclined to play these if you didn't have to pay until you get the bonus round. I mean you could definitely get lucky and get into the pinball bonus round quickly like you did the 1st time you played it, but on average it doesn't work out that way as you know and implied. I liked the Space Invaders business model where you put your $20 bucks in and you're right in the game (but of course the issue with Space Invaders is no joystick). Anyway, I think there is a good chance skill based pinball (where you just pay to play pinball immediately and don't have to rely on scatter symbols in the base game to get to the pinball round) will hit the floor at some point. Scientific Games, who bought out WMS (Williams), would be a good candidate since Williams used to make pinball machines of course before they stopped back in 1999 because their gaming/gambling division was so profitable. It was a sad day when Neil Nicastro announced that Williams would no longer make pinball machines back then and would instead just concentrate on their gaming division. But with all the intellectual property and pinball connections that SG acquired through the acquisition of Williams, they would be the front runner for this sort of thing I should think.

  19. #59
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post

    I hope another company will take up the mantle and get a virtual pinball machine on the floor. It did seem like Gamblit Gaming was going to offer a Playboy themed virtual pinball (as part of a suite that would include other skill games as well - all of which to be offered on the same kiosk), but that one seemed to fizzle too.
    I've messed around a tiny bit with some of those gamblits skill games where you compete against others, but the vig seem too high, and I didn't see enough ploppies playing to make it worthwhile. I didn't really investigate much further, so perhaps somebody could go around making a living playing those. If that was the case, I think I would have heard about it by now.

    The Texas Tea pinball was definitely a nice vulture game because the skill factor limited the number of vultures targeting them. It's really too bad those didn't take off and proliferate, I think I would have acquired a nice pair of machine Hustler shoes and started pounding the pavement since I really enjoyed those.

    I think I'm fairly good at pinball for someone who doesn't play all that often, probably once every 3 or 4 years. I played as a kid but probably not much more than the average boy at the time. Of course, then you watch some Pinball Wizard and quickly realized just how good some people are at certain things.

    Here's an interesting story. Shortly after those Texas Tee pinball machines first came out, me and Mike we're hanging out at the Venetian, It just before an event or something, I can't remember why we were there.

    I told him I want to do a little experimenting and see how they worked since I had never played them before. I think I tossed in $20 or $40 and entered the bonus round quickly. On my very first attempt I made it through all three stages and won the bonus. The bonus wasn't very high, I think it was about 70 bucks. I remember Mike saying, well if it's that easy it probably isn't going to be a very good advantage play. I was kind of thinking the same thing. At the time, I really didn't know much about the machines and how lucrative player funded banking was. I even had a bad experience with one where I got pounded. It wasn't for quite a while after that when I started looking into them again, unfortunately, by then, there were quite a few guys targeting them. I'm not sure why, but the Egyptian pinball version fairly difficult for me to complete all three stages, it took multiple tries each time, until I finally figured it out. To this day, I wouldn't be confident enough to say I could get through all three stages on the first try since I haven't played one in a while.
    I would have been more inclined to play these if you didn't have to pay until you get the bonus round. I mean you could definitely get lucky and get into the pinball bonus round quickly like you did the 1st time you played it, but on average it doesn't work out that way as you know and implied. I liked the Space Invaders business model where you put your $20 bucks in and you're right in the game (but of course the issue with Space Invaders is no joystick). Anyway, I think there is a good chance skill based pinball (where you just pay to play pinball immediately and don't have to rely on scatter symbols in the base game to get to the pinball round) will hit the floor at some point. Scientific Games, who bought out WMS (Williams), would be a good candidate since Williams used to make pinball machines of course before they stopped back in 1999 because their gaming/gambling division was so profitable. It was a sad day when Neil Nicastro announced that Williams would no longer make pinball machines back then and would instead just concentrate on their gaming division. But with all the intellectual property and pinball connections that SG acquired through the acquisition of Williams, they would be the front runner for this sort of thing I should think.
    I did well over all, but not anything significant. I wish I would have been more vigilante after my first encounter and started playing before the information spread. As MC pointed out they had some higher denominations across the states. I know some people did super good. But, as I have said before, you cant be everywhere at once and do everything. It used to be where I would regret missing a play after hearing about it, but I then realize had I been playing that, I would have missed whatever I was playing at the time.

  20. #60
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    I've messed around a tiny bit with some of those gamblits skill games where you compete against others, but the vig seem too high, and I didn't see enough ploppies playing to make it worthwhile. I didn't really investigate much further, so perhaps somebody could go around making a living playing those. If that was the case, I think I would have heard about it by now.

    The Texas Tea pinball was definitely a nice vulture game because the skill factor limited the number of vultures targeting them. It's really too bad those didn't take off and proliferate, I think I would have acquired a nice pair of machine Hustler shoes and started pounding the pavement since I really enjoyed those.

    I think I'm fairly good at pinball for someone who doesn't play all that often, probably once every 3 or 4 years. I played as a kid but probably not much more than the average boy at the time. Of course, then you watch some Pinball Wizard and quickly realized just how good some people are at certain things.

    Here's an interesting story. Shortly after those Texas Tee pinball machines first came out, me and Mike we're hanging out at the Venetian, It just before an event or something, I can't remember why we were there.

    I told him I want to do a little experimenting and see how they worked since I had never played them before. I think I tossed in $20 or $40 and entered the bonus round quickly. On my very first attempt I made it through all three stages and won the bonus. The bonus wasn't very high, I think it was about 70 bucks. I remember Mike saying, well if it's that easy it probably isn't going to be a very good advantage play. I was kind of thinking the same thing. At the time, I really didn't know much about the machines and how lucrative player funded banking was. I even had a bad experience with one where I got pounded. It wasn't for quite a while after that when I started looking into them again, unfortunately, by then, there were quite a few guys targeting them. I'm not sure why, but the Egyptian pinball version fairly difficult for me to complete all three stages, it took multiple tries each time, until I finally figured it out. To this day, I wouldn't be confident enough to say I could get through all three stages on the first try since I haven't played one in a while.
    I would have been more inclined to play these if you didn't have to pay until you get the bonus round. I mean you could definitely get lucky and get into the pinball bonus round quickly like you did the 1st time you played it, but on average it doesn't work out that way as you know and implied. I liked the Space Invaders business model where you put your $20 bucks in and you're right in the game (but of course the issue with Space Invaders is no joystick). Anyway, I think there is a good chance skill based pinball (where you just pay to play pinball immediately and don't have to rely on scatter symbols in the base game to get to the pinball round) will hit the floor at some point. Scientific Games, who bought out WMS (Williams), would be a good candidate since Williams used to make pinball machines of course before they stopped back in 1999 because their gaming/gambling division was so profitable. It was a sad day when Neil Nicastro announced that Williams would no longer make pinball machines back then and would instead just concentrate on their gaming division. But with all the intellectual property and pinball connections that SG acquired through the acquisition of Williams, they would be the front runner for this sort of thing I should think.
    I did well over all, but not anything significant. I wish I would have been more vigilante after my first encounter and started playing before the information spread. As MC pointed out they had some higher denominations across the states. I know some people did super good. But, as I have said before, you cant be everywhere at once and do everything. It used to be where I would regret missing a play after hearing about it, but I then realize had I been playing that, I would have missed whatever I was playing at the time.
    I don't know if things have changed, but in Reno/Sparks/Carson City I did not encounter either variant when the variants were active on the floor in many other parts of the country. I did encounter it elsewhere, but it was taken off the floor shortly after the encounter (moot of course since I wasn't a fan of the average expense to get to the bonus round). A friend of mine told me that he had the ball go through the flipper, so that wasn't great news either.

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