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  1. #61
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    I would have been more inclined to play these if you didn't have to pay until you get the bonus round. I mean you could definitely get lucky and get into the pinball bonus round quickly like you did the 1st time you played it, but on average it doesn't work out that way as you know and implied. I liked the Space Invaders business model where you put your $20 bucks in and you're right in the game (but of course the issue with Space Invaders is no joystick). Anyway, I think there is a good chance skill based pinball (where you just pay to play pinball immediately and don't have to rely on scatter symbols in the base game to get to the pinball round) will hit the floor at some point. Scientific Games, who bought out WMS (Williams), would be a good candidate since Williams used to make pinball machines of course before they stopped back in 1999 because their gaming/gambling division was so profitable. It was a sad day when Neil Nicastro announced that Williams would no longer make pinball machines back then and would instead just concentrate on their gaming division. But with all the intellectual property and pinball connections that SG acquired through the acquisition of Williams, they would be the front runner for this sort of thing I should think.
    I did well over all, but not anything significant. I wish I would have been more vigilante after my first encounter and started playing before the information spread. As MC pointed out they had some higher denominations across the states. I know some people did super good. But, as I have said before, you cant be everywhere at once and do everything. It used to be where I would regret missing a play after hearing about it, but I then realize had I been playing that, I would have missed whatever I was playing at the time.
    I don't know if things have changed, but in Reno/Sparks/Carson City I did not encounter either variant when the variants were active on the floor in many other parts of the country. I did encounter it elsewhere, but it was taken off the floor shortly after the encounter (moot of course since I wasn't a fan of the average expense to get to the bonus round). A friend of mine told me that he had the ball go through the flipper, so that wasn't great news either.
    I just don't think any actual true skill game will hit big in the casinos any time soo, if ever. I think theres room for them, but its a niche market for guys like you and me. I have only seen one game so far that got close to what direction the casinos should have went when trying to appeal to the newer generation and even 40 and 50 year old's, but its more of a video game, theres a multi player element but I'm not sure if skill plays a part of that. https://jackmobilecasinos.com/mobile...uest-wrath-ra/. I actually had an idea similar to this many years ago before all the talk about this stuff. I discussed my idea with a few people, but an idea wont get you very far. For the most part, I think people who go to the casinos want to spin the reels and not play skill games. I still have no clue why the casinos haven't integrated social media platforms directly on the machines. That's how they would have captured a new audience. Log in to your account directly at the machine while it takes snap shots, videos of bonus rounds etc. and posts them up, or even some live game play while its streaming everything for you. In places where online gaming is legally allowed, you should be able to log in and sync up when your friends in the casino to watch and even take part in the action for real money as they play. If one person goes to a casino to gamble it might end up in a situation where the casino is making 2 to 10 times the money. Just imagine if thousands of people could take action on just one famous person playing in the casino. It would be a game changer for the casinos.

  2. #62
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    I did well over all, but not anything significant. I wish I would have been more vigilante after my first encounter and started playing before the information spread. As MC pointed out they had some higher denominations across the states. I know some people did super good. But, as I have said before, you cant be everywhere at once and do everything. It used to be where I would regret missing a play after hearing about it, but I then realize had I been playing that, I would have missed whatever I was playing at the time.
    I don't know if things have changed, but in Reno/Sparks/Carson City I did not encounter either variant when the variants were active on the floor in many other parts of the country. I did encounter it elsewhere, but it was taken off the floor shortly after the encounter (moot of course since I wasn't a fan of the average expense to get to the bonus round). A friend of mine told me that he had the ball go through the flipper, so that wasn't great news either.
    I just don't think any actual true skill game will hit big in the casinos any time soo, if ever. I think theres room for them, but its a niche market for guys like you and me. I have only seen one game so far that got close to what direction the casinos should have went when trying to appeal to the newer generation and even 40 and 50 year old's, but its more of a video game, theres a multi player element but I'm not sure if skill plays a part of that. https://jackmobilecasinos.com/mobile...uest-wrath-ra/. I actually had an idea similar to this many years ago before all the talk about this stuff. I discussed my idea with a few people, but an idea wont get you very far. For the most part, I think people who go to the casinos want to spin the reels and not play skill games. I still have no clue why the casinos haven't integrated social media platforms directly on the machines. That's how they would have captured a new audience. Log in to your account directly at the machine while it takes snap shots, videos of bonus rounds etc. and posts them up, or even some live game play while its streaming everything for you. In places where online gaming is legally allowed, you should be able to log in and sync up when your friends in the casino to watch and even take part in the action for real money as they play. If one person goes to a casino to gamble it might end up in a situation where the casino is making 2 to 10 times the money. Just imagine if thousands of people could take action on just one famous person playing in the casino. It would be a game changer for the casinos.
    Wow, what an idea! Imagine 15 vegas casino talk members all betting in sync with MDawg's bets. It would sure be one happy board. Up to the point everyone was barred for being AP's.

  3. #63
    Originally Posted by BoSox View Post
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post

    I don't know if things have changed, but in Reno/Sparks/Carson City I did not encounter either variant when the variants were active on the floor in many other parts of the country. I did encounter it elsewhere, but it was taken off the floor shortly after the encounter (moot of course since I wasn't a fan of the average expense to get to the bonus round). A friend of mine told me that he had the ball go through the flipper, so that wasn't great news either.
    I just don't think any actual true skill game will hit big in the casinos any time soo, if ever. I think theres room for them, but its a niche market for guys like you and me. I have only seen one game so far that got close to what direction the casinos should have went when trying to appeal to the newer generation and even 40 and 50 year old's, but its more of a video game, theres a multi player element but I'm not sure if skill plays a part of that. https://jackmobilecasinos.com/mobile...uest-wrath-ra/. I actually had an idea similar to this many years ago before all the talk about this stuff. I discussed my idea with a few people, but an idea wont get you very far. For the most part, I think people who go to the casinos want to spin the reels and not play skill games. I still have no clue why the casinos haven't integrated social media platforms directly on the machines. That's how they would have captured a new audience. Log in to your account directly at the machine while it takes snap shots, videos of bonus rounds etc. and posts them up, or even some live game play while its streaming everything for you. In places where online gaming is legally allowed, you should be able to log in and sync up when your friends in the casino to watch and even take part in the action for real money as they play. If one person goes to a casino to gamble it might end up in a situation where the casino is making 2 to 10 times the money. Just imagine if thousands of people could take action on just one famous person playing in the casino. It would be a game changer for the casinos.
    Wow, what an idea! Imagine 15 vegas casino talk members all betting in sync with MDawg's bets. It would sure be one happy board. Up to the point everyone was barred for being AP's.
    What are you talking about being banned? We would ALL get 2 full months of RFB.....

    YOU GET A ROLEXT, AND YOU GET A ROLEX, AND YOU GET A ROLLEX AND YOU GET A ROLLEX!!!!

  4. #64
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    I did well over all, but not anything significant. I wish I would have been more vigilante after my first encounter and started playing before the information spread. As MC pointed out they had some higher denominations across the states. I know some people did super good. But, as I have said before, you cant be everywhere at once and do everything. It used to be where I would regret missing a play after hearing about it, but I then realize had I been playing that, I would have missed whatever I was playing at the time.
    I don't know if things have changed, but in Reno/Sparks/Carson City I did not encounter either variant when the variants were active on the floor in many other parts of the country. I did encounter it elsewhere, but it was taken off the floor shortly after the encounter (moot of course since I wasn't a fan of the average expense to get to the bonus round). A friend of mine told me that he had the ball go through the flipper, so that wasn't great news either.
    I just don't think any actual true skill game will hit big in the casinos any time soo, if ever. I think theres room for them, but its a niche market for guys like you and me. I have only seen one game so far that got close to what direction the casinos should have went when trying to appeal to the newer generation and even 40 and 50 year old's, but its more of a video game, theres a multi player element but I'm not sure if skill plays a part of that. https://jackmobilecasinos.com/mobile...uest-wrath-ra/. I actually had an idea similar to this many years ago before all the talk about this stuff. I discussed my idea with a few people, but an idea wont get you very far. For the most part, I think people who go to the casinos want to spin the reels and not play skill games. I still have no clue why the casinos haven't integrated social media platforms directly on the machines. That's how they would have captured a new audience. Log in to your account directly at the machine while it takes snap shots, videos of bonus rounds etc. and posts them up, or even some live game play while its streaming everything for you. In places where online gaming is legally allowed, you should be able to log in and sync up when your friends in the casino to watch and even take part in the action for real money as they play. If one person goes to a casino to gamble it might end up in a situation where the casino is making 2 to 10 times the money. Just imagine if thousands of people could take action on just one famous person playing in the casino. It would be a game changer for the casinos.
    Interesting concept Axel. thanks.

  5. #65
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    Originally Posted by BoSox View Post
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    I just don't think any actual true skill game will hit big in the casinos any time soo, if ever. I think theres room for them, but its a niche market for guys like you and me. I have only seen one game so far that got close to what direction the casinos should have went when trying to appeal to the newer generation and even 40 and 50 year old's, but its more of a video game, theres a multi player element but I'm not sure if skill plays a part of that. https://jackmobilecasinos.com/mobile...uest-wrath-ra/. I actually had an idea similar to this many years ago before all the talk about this stuff. I discussed my idea with a few people, but an idea wont get you very far. For the most part, I think people who go to the casinos want to spin the reels and not play skill games. I still have no clue why the casinos haven't integrated social media platforms directly on the machines. That's how they would have captured a new audience. Log in to your account directly at the machine while it takes snap shots, videos of bonus rounds etc. and posts them up, or even some live game play while its streaming everything for you. In places where online gaming is legally allowed, you should be able to log in and sync up when your friends in the casino to watch and even take part in the action for real money as they play. If one person goes to a casino to gamble it might end up in a situation where the casino is making 2 to 10 times the money. Just imagine if thousands of people could take action on just one famous person playing in the casino. It would be a game changer for the casinos.
    Wow, what an idea! Imagine 15 vegas casino talk members all betting in sync with MDawg's bets. It would sure be one happy board. Up to the point everyone was barred for being AP's.
    What are you talking about being banned? We would ALL get 2 full months of RFB.....

    YOU GET A ROLEXT, AND YOU GET A ROLEX, AND YOU GET A ROLLEX AND YOU GET A ROLLEX!!!!
    Yes, you are right we would not be banned. However, 16 guys would each have their own identical thread all with the same pictures of money and food. Dan D would be able to charge any new members 5K each "a bargain" to be part of this distinguished group.

  6. #66
    On the subject of skill based casino games, what about pure pinball?

    But instead of playing to achieve a fixed score, compete against others in other casinos, even other states, all linked by computer.

    The casino gets their money by taking a rake of all money bet, off the top; the remainder is used to fund jackpots.

    The winner of a jackpot would be the highest score in a game during a certain amount of time, say a half hour: of all the players hooked in to the network there could be graduated payouts for first, second and third place for that one period of play.

    This of course would attract serious pin ball players and AP's.
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  7. #67
    Originally Posted by MisterV View Post
    On the subject of skill based casino games, what about pure pinball?

    But instead of playing to achieve a fixed score, compete against others in other casinos, even other states, all linked by computer.

    The casino gets their money by taking a rake of all money bet, off the top; the remainder is used to fund jackpots.

    The winner of a jackpot would be the highest score in a game during a certain amount of time, say a half hour: of all the players hooked in to the network there could be graduated payouts for first, second and third place for that one period of play.

    This of course would attract serious pin ball players and AP's.
    I like it...Unfortunately, there would eventually be 2 things that could/would happen. Only a few of the top players would get all the money most of the time or there would be so many AP/pro's playing that it wouldn't be worth it.


    I would love to see some linked progressives or banking type of machines online. I would have someone build me a program to alert me whenever it got to a number I wanted to play it at. The problem is, it would probably only be good for a short period of time. Not to mention, they now have everything they need right there to figure out exactly what you are doing and how much you are making. And now you are back to multi accounting. It wouldn't take long for them to identify someone as an AP and ban their account. You could put cover play in and try to hide it but that only goes so far. But, who knows, theres always some golden opportunity just around the corner.

  8. #68
    Originally Posted by MisterV View Post
    On the subject of skill based casino games, what about pure pinball?

    But instead of playing to achieve a fixed score, compete against others in other casinos, even other states, all linked by computer.

    The casino gets their money by taking a rake of all money bet, off the top; the remainder is used to fund jackpots.

    The winner of a jackpot would be the highest score in a game during a certain amount of time, say a half hour: of all the players hooked in to the network there could be graduated payouts for first, second and third place for that one period of play.

    This of course would attract serious pin ball players and AP's.
    Mr. V., I would assume by pure pinball you mean pinball machines with a physical playfield (regular pinball machines) instead of a virtual playfield like the Cleopatra and Texas Tea virtual pinball playfields. If this assumption is correct, then a very big challenge would be the standardization of the physical machines. All the machines (say 50 Addams Families or 50 Funhouses or whatever machine is being used in 50 casino locations) would have to be completely uniform - tilts set all the same, leveled exactly the same, and so on. Otherwise people playing easier machines would have the advantage. I suppose virtual machines in all locations would work, with the casinos taking a rake as you describe. I would be down for this if the physics of the virtual machines were very close to reality (i.e the ball doesn't go through a flipper like my friend told me happened to him on Texas Tea/Cleopatra and you could do drop catches, alley passes, dead bounces, nudging, live catches and so on as with a real pinball machine).

  9. #69
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    Originally Posted by MisterV View Post
    On the subject of skill based casino games, what about pure pinball?

    But instead of playing to achieve a fixed score, compete against others in other casinos, even other states, all linked by computer.

    The casino gets their money by taking a rake of all money bet, off the top; the remainder is used to fund jackpots.

    The winner of a jackpot would be the highest score in a game during a certain amount of time, say a half hour: of all the players hooked in to the network there could be graduated payouts for first, second and third place for that one period of play.

    This of course would attract serious pin ball players and AP's.
    Mr. V., I would assume by pure pinball you mean pinball machines with a physical playfield (regular pinball machines) instead of a virtual playfield like the Cleopatra and Texas Tea virtual pinball playfields. If this assumption is correct, then a very big challenge would be the standardization of the physical machines. All the machines (say 50 Addams Families or 50 Funhouses or whatever machine is being used in 50 casino locations) would have to be completely uniform - tilts set all the same, leveled exactly the same, and so on. Otherwise people playing easier machines would have the advantage. I suppose virtual machines in all locations would work, with the casinos taking a rake as you describe. I would be down for this if the physics of the virtual machines were very close to reality (i.e the ball doesn't go through a flipper like my friend told me happened to him on Texas Tea/Cleopatra and you could do drop catches, alley passes, dead bounces, nudging, live catches and so on as with a real pinball machine).
    A banked set of games where when you win you get to play pinball for the bonus amount.

    The idea has a lot of issues but it would be cool if actually done and worked. Stadium gaming and a video on the machine displays it somewhere on a larger screen for people currently gambling. It would be exciting for sure..
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  10. #70
    I was proposing a regular pin ball game, but upon reflection any game where score is kept electronically could work.

    I don't play video games so I've no idea what games are popular these days, but if a popular video game has some way of keeping score it should work.

    Let me rethink this ...

    The key would be to have short sessions, let's say fifteen minutes each, all sessions starting at the same time on all machines no matter their location.

    I'd suggest starting on the hour, then quarter after, then half past, etc.

    Whoever amasses the highest score, or kill number or whatever it may be during that session wins the top prize / jackpot, then there could also be the option for a second and third prize, depending on the total number of players paying to play that particular session.

    The prize fund would be the total amount bet on all machines during that session, less the house rake (e.g.20% rake), leaving 80% to be awarded to the three winners.

    Video games are very popular for at home play, and gamers can be rabidly competitive.

    Might something like this finally draw them in droves into the casinos?
    Last edited by MisterV; 01-30-2021 at 08:49 PM.
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  11. #71
    Originally Posted by accountinquestion View Post

    A banked set of games where when you win you get to play pinball for the bonus amount.

    The idea has a lot of issues but it would be cool if actually done and worked. Stadium gaming and a video on the machine displays it somewhere on a larger screen for people currently gambling. It would be exciting for sure..
    This is basically what IGT's Texas Tea and Cleopatra slots do. You enter the pinball bonus round when you get two or more of the bonus scatter symbols on the base game. You can then select to enter the pinball skill-based bonus round. There are 3 pinball levels. If you complete levels 1 or 2, you win a banked progressive amount plus the opportunity to play the next higher level. If you complete level 3, then you win a progressive amount and are then finished with the pinball bonus round.

  12. #72
    Originally Posted by MisterV View Post
    I was proposing a regular pin ball game, but upon reflection any game where score is kept electronically could work.

    I don't play video games so I've no idea what games are popular these days, but if a popular video game has some way of keeping score it should work.

    Let me rethink this ...

    The key would be to have short sessions, let's say fifteen minutes each, all sessions starting at the same time on all machines no matter their location.

    I'd suggest starting on the hour, then quarter after, then half past, etc.

    Whoever amasses the highest score, or kill number or whatever it may be during that session wins the top prize / jackpot, then there could also be the option for a second and third prize, depending on the total number of players paying to play that particular session.

    The prize fund would be the total amount bet on all machines during that session, less the house rake (e.g.20% rake), leaving 80% to be awarded to the three winners.

    Video games are very popular for at home play, and gamers can be rabidly competitive.

    Might something like this finally draw them in droves into the casinos?
    In the case of a regular pinball game, each location would need to have a pinball technician(s) on site to fix the machine(s) if something on the playfield broke or needed to be replaced (just as in standard non-casino based pinball tournaments). All of this is eliminated with a virtual machine(s) of course (but the physics has to be on point as mentioned earlier). Then, along the lines as you describe above, prizes would be awarded less the rake just as in live poker in poker rooms (the pot less the rake).
    I don't know if it would draw young people into the casino more - I suspect that in certain locations it might work.

    Some years ago I read about poker players making huge prop bets on an Addams Family pinball machine at the Commerce Casino in Commerce, California. If any VCT members have 1st hand experience with this or details of what transpired it would great to hear the stories about it.
    Last edited by tableplay; 01-30-2021 at 09:14 PM.

  13. #73
    Any game where you compete against other players for significant money needs a significant luck factor or some freak will master the game and dominate it.
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  14. #74
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    the ball doesn't go through a flipper like my friend told me happened to him on Texas Tea/Cleopatra
    to be fair this happened to me on a real life pinball machine, I was in multiball and a couple balls hit each other and airballed right over top of my flipper.

  15. #75
    Originally Posted by pepe View Post
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    the ball doesn't go through a flipper like my friend told me happened to him on Texas Tea/Cleopatra
    to be fair this happened to me on a real life pinball machine, I was in multiball and a couple balls hit each other and airballed right over top of my flipper.
    Yes, airballs. Typically on freshly waxed or new games. I remember hitting a stand up target on Bally Space Invaders (the center standups in the center of that turnstyle) and the ball rebounded and rocketed over the flippers. Another time I got an airball on a machine during a tournament costing me the match and 1st place, LOL. But what I am talking about here is the ball going through the flipper (and not over the flipper) which of course is impossible in a real pinball machine versus a virtual pinball machine trying to emulate real-world physics.

  16. #76
    This is a skill game a friend showed me a couple years ago when I passed thru his territory. It's called Nothin' But Net. The skill part is shooting the basketball. You have to press the button that shoots the basketball when the white bar is passing thru the green zone. That green zone can get progressively smaller. But that's the skill end of the game.

    You can bet anywhere from 50 cents to $5 per shot. The progressive meters can be exploited. The more you bet the easier it is to hit the meters. So it's a matter of the small bettors driving the meters up then the big bettor coming in and taking the meters off.

    You can practice the game at the lower bet level then move up when you get good.

    Best I remember the odds of taking the meters off could be calculated from the game rules screen.

    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...0zVpQ6YunYDchQ

    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...0zVpQ6YunYDchQ

    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...spcgyz16bn0lQW

    I think there was also something to just paying $20 to enter the bonus round with the meters once they got high enough. I wasn't around this game very long.
    Last edited by mickeycrimm; 02-03-2021 at 06:29 AM.
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  17. #77
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    This is a skill game a friend showed me a couple years ago when I passed thru his territory. It's called Nothin' But Net. The skill part is shooting the basketball. You have to press the button that shoots the basketball when the white bar is passing thru the green zone. That green zone can get progressively smaller. But that's the skill end of the game.

    You can bet anywhere from 50 cents to $5 per shot. The progressive meters can be exploited. The more you bet the easier it is to hit the meters. So it's a matter of the small bettors driving the meters up then the big bettor coming in and taking the meters off.

    You can practice the game at the lower bet level then move up when you get good.

    Best I remember the odds of taking the meters off could be calculated from the game rules screen.

    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...0zVpQ6YunYDchQ

    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...0zVpQ6YunYDchQ

    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...spcgyz16bn0lQW

    I think there was also something to just paying $20 to enter the bonus round with the meters once they got high enough. I wasn't around this game very long.
    Pretty cool Mickey, thanks. Similarly, Space Invaders (which was not a Gameco game - it was from Scientific Games) allowed a $20 payment if the player wanted to go directly to the Space Invaders video game (where you get a shot at the progressives) instead of trying to get it from scatter symbols in the slot base game. The nice thing about these Gameco games as you showed is that there is no slot reels base game component - you are playing hoops right from the get go for example.

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