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Thread: Why are most APs conservative and most poker pros liberal?

  1. #21
    I think it parallels a little bit why people in rural areas tend to be more conservative and people in cities tend to be more liberal.

    People in rural areas tend to take care of themselves and just want to be left alone same as APs.

    People in cities because they have to interact with other people tend to want the government involved more to enforce laws, rules, policing, services etc.

    Reminds me of how many poker players are sticklers on rules, calling the floor over for minor things, complaining about acting out of turn, not properly announcing raise, bet call, etc. Things like that.

  2. #22
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Well, I'll point to the obvious reasons.

    Most AP's are not blackjack players, so lets start from there. They are primarily non-team folks who use self-contained expertise and discipline to literally grind out a living hour to hour, day to day. They work mostly in isolation versus the casino, so not much reliance on anyone else. This fosters the illusion of "your fate is in your hands" mentality, at least until they hit a mega-variance stretch. Most of their lives are spent in the "self-made man" mode. The individual hands of vp or machine play have variance, but usually not enough to create stretches where doing all of the right things for a year is going to lead to a negative year. Blackjack players, because they spread, and because they are backed off regularly, probably feel more of the "my fate is not entirely in my hands" gestalt in which they operate.

    Further along the line are poker players. Now you get all of this crap about "everybody gets the same hands lifetime, so it all comes down to skill," but realistically, that's not true if you're playing no limit hold 'em or play in tournaments. You can kind of keep the "my fate is in my own hands" gestalt if you're always playing limit. But once you're playing no limit or relying on tournament play for income, then a handful of actual hands determine your week or your month or your year. And you can do literally everything right all the time ((as Chris Ferguson said, "I can be beaten, but I can't be outplayed") and walk away with a losing month or a losing year. So your fate in those few "terror" hands amidst the boredom determines your financial fate. It's the nature of a game with no limit rules, the continual possibility of collusion, and escalating tournament stakes. Players "do the right thing" all the time and find themselves losing.

    The lesson, then, is that your fate is NOT in your own hands a great deal of the time, and all the self-made excellence in the world guarantees nothing.

    And that is where conservatives and progressives part ways -- because conservatives believe in the myth that they are where they deserve to be on merit, and they give less weight to context. Progressives understand that context dictates more than the culture cares to admit. Poker players are always slammed in the face with context, because perfect play never yields perfect results.

    For the record, if you examine the social science literature, you will find that human beings almost always OVERestimate the control they they have in all kinds of situations. We are hard wired to believe we have control of things when we do not.
    You are such an Asshole.

    "Conservatives believe in myths but Progressives understand"

    The truth is that we are all just people in the same boat trying to make it to the next day and protect the ones we care about.
    Unfortunately, all people will do just about anything when push comes to shove to survive.
    Conservative... Progressive... Same Difference.
    People like Job, in the Torah, are the exception... not the rule.

    Anyone working in the Gaming Business is nothing but an Evil Doer.
    It doesn't matter if you are working for the Casino or against them.
    And we all have so much indirect blood on our hands for our comfortable living it is sickening.
    The problem is that people like you won't even admit that simple truth.
    Just keep working on your handicapping business, directly destroying peoples lives, while you reap the rewards... Mr. Dietz.
    Enjoy slurping noodles with your slant-eyed girlfriend while 25,000 people die per day from malnutrition in a world that produces enough food for 13 billion people annually.
    Last edited by monet; 02-24-2021 at 08:55 PM.

  3. #23
    Originally Posted by monet
    25,000 people die per day from malnutrition in a world that produces enough food for 13 billion people annually.

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    What, Me Worry?

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  5. #25
    Originally Posted by theywontpayontuesday View Post
    Premise isn't true.
    Disappointing Post.
    Hitler Unhappy.
    Trump Mad.

  6. #26
    Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    As you guys know, I'm part of both the poker pro and AP community, though I'm more closely aligned with the poker side.

    However, in conversations about politics with both APs and poker pros, along with my observations of their social media, I've come to the following conclusion:

    Most APs are conservative. Most poker pros are liberal.

    I've been trying to figure out the reason for this. Both are individualistic, capitalistic pursuits. Both are using better knowledge and skill to take money from the ploppies -- whether directly or indirectly, many of whom can't afford it.

    I think it's because of the nature of the game. APs are indirectly beating the ploppies (the ploppies lose to the casinos, the APs beat the casinos for some of that money), whereas poker pros are directly taking the money from the ploppies. Thus, APs walk away with zero feelings of guilt (they're beating heartless corporations which seek to extract money from addicted gamblers), whereas poker pros often feel bad that they are beating others who don't really have a shot.

    This causes poker pros to skew liberal, because they (erroneously) feel that voting Democrat and supporting leftist causes will negate the societal harm they're doing by taking money from gambling-addicted ploppies.

    APs, on the other hand, constantly see their careers as a battle between the individual (the AP) and the collective (the casino), and thus the individualistic nature of conservatism appeals to them.

    I doubt that many think about it this deeply, but I believe these are the subconscious forces at play.
    I'm a decently-networked machine/table game pro, (very little poker) and I would say in the subsection of the AP community that I know personally liberals outnumber conservatives by about 3:2.

  7. #27
    Originally Posted by acescracked_1210 View Post
    I'm a decently-networked machine/table game pro, (very little poker)
    Interesting name choice for very little poker.
    Aces Cracked Win a Rack!

  8. #28
    How do you know if you're a liberal or conservative? Still haven't figured that out yet.

    Here's how you can tell if you are racist or not...............
    You are racist if....you are breathing.

    Obviously there's different degrees of racism.

  9. #29
    Vast majority of people in the US who identify as "conservative" or "liberal" don't have ideologies that truly line up with what they claim. It is much more like 9-year-olds who identify with their favorite basketball team.

    Most people who claim to be "conservative" support positions that lead increased government regulations, restrictions on free-markets, and decreased personal freedoms. But they believe in those things, because that is what their "team" believes in.

    Most people who claim to be "liberal" support positions that go against social services, and promoting societal changes for a greater good. But they take those positions, because that is what their "team" believes in.

  10. #30
    Dude, you got it backwards.
    What, Me Worry?

  11. #31
    Originally Posted by tominnv View Post

    Most people who claim to be "liberal" support positions that go against social services, and promoting societal changes for a greater good. But they take those positions, because that is what their "team" believes in.
    I do not think that there was ever a liberal position that promoted societal changes for the greater good, they always get it wrong.

  12. #32
    Originally Posted by BoSox View Post
    Originally Posted by tominnv View Post

    Most people who claim to be "liberal" support positions that go against social services, and promoting societal changes for a greater good. But they take those positions, because that is what their "team" believes in.
    I do not think that there was ever a liberal position that promoted societal changes for the greater good, they always get it wrong.
    One example would be Gore wanting to raise consumption taxes to change behavior that negatively impacts the environment. Perhaps you disagree that higher taxes and environmental causes are really for the "greater good", which is fair. And shows how the so-called liberal ideology is not liberal at all.

    Then Trump went ahead and raised consumption taxes in the name of tariffs and a trade war. That was definitely a way for big government intervention to restrict personal freedom and interfere with the free-market. And most people who agreed with this labelled themselves as conservatives.

  13. #33
    Originally Posted by tominnv View Post
    Originally Posted by BoSox View Post
    Originally Posted by tominnv View Post

    Most people who claim to be "liberal" support positions that go against social services, and promoting societal changes for a greater good. But they take those positions, because that is what their "team" believes in.
    I do not think that there was ever a liberal position that promoted societal changes for the greater good, they always get it wrong.
    One example would be Gore wanting to raise consumption taxes to change behavior that negatively impacts the environment. Perhaps you disagree that higher taxes and environmental causes are really for the "greater good", which is fair. And shows how the so-called liberal ideology is not liberal at all.
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    Originally Posted by tominnv View Post

    Then Trump went ahead and raised consumption taxes in the name of tariffs and a trade war. That was definitely a way for big government intervention to restrict personal freedom and interfere with the free-market. And most people who agreed with this labelled themselves as conservatives.
    Trump, did the right thing. He had to correct all the mistakes of previous administrations.

  14. #34
    Trump was the biggest fucking asshole President, of all time. Second only to the failed "nuts" in life who supported him.

    Go fuck yourself, and Trump, there, Bosox in Box.

    What screw-ups, still, talking about it.
    Every one /everyone knows it all; yet, no thing /nothing is truly known by any one /anyone. Similarly, the suckers think that they win, but, the house always wins, unless to hand out an even worse beating.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsa6ojQcYXQ

    Garnabby + OppsIdidItAgain + ThomasClines (or TomasHClines) + The Grim Reaper + LMR + OneHitWonder (or 1HitWonder, 1Hit1der) + Bill Yung ---> GOTTLOB1, or GOTTLOB = Praise to God!

    Blog at https://garnabby.blogspot.com/

  15. #35
    Originally Posted by Garnabby View Post
    Trump was the biggest fucking asshole President, of all time. Second only to the failed "nuts" in life who supported him.

    Go fuck yourself, and Trump, there, Bosox in Box.

    What screw-ups, still, talking about it.

    I hope you love open borders and reparations. Shit for brains.

  16. #36
    tominnv, I forgot to say welcome to the board. Enjoy yourself.

  17. #37
    This is Barney

    Average age of poker personages about 32

    Average age of AP personages about 78

  18. #38
    Originally Posted by Barney View Post
    This is Barney

    Average age of poker personages about 32

    Average age of AP personages about 78
    There are far more APs under 50 than over 50.

  19. #39
    And many types of age.
    Every one /everyone knows it all; yet, no thing /nothing is truly known by any one /anyone. Similarly, the suckers think that they win, but, the house always wins, unless to hand out an even worse beating.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsa6ojQcYXQ

    Garnabby + OppsIdidItAgain + ThomasClines (or TomasHClines) + The Grim Reaper + LMR + OneHitWonder (or 1HitWonder, 1Hit1der) + Bill Yung ---> GOTTLOB1, or GOTTLOB = Praise to God!

    Blog at https://garnabby.blogspot.com/

  20. #40
    Originally Posted by BoSox View Post
    Trump, did the right thing. He had to correct all the mistakes of previous administrations.
    This is completely irrelevant to the discussion about why certain groups claim certain ideologies. And it shows very well exactly what I was saying: these ideological claims are complete bullshit, since it is almost entirely about being able to identify with the team you like, rather than any sort of "liberal" or "conservative" values.

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