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  1. #41
    To the casual eye, the size difference in Florida's Natural OJ containers is not noticeable, most especially to the harried housewife zipping down the grocery aisle.

    There was no NEED to make the container smaller, other than to trick the buying public, which despite your braying corporate apologies is an example of intent to deceive.

    But hey, the highway to hell is paved with such intentions: hope you enjoy the ride.
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    Even in a small online phone, my casual eye can see what the size is. Your refusal to spend the fraction of a second it takes to look at that information when it is actually in your hand is not deception on their part. You are absolutely right that there was not a need to make the change. It was a choice they made. Just as you made the choice to ignore available information about something before you bought it. It is hilarious how you are so desperate to avoid any responsibility as a consumer, that you accuse anyone who does check the labels as a corporate apologist.

  3. #43
    I didn't buy the OJ, my wife did: I'm a married man, why the hell would I bother to shop in a grocery store, that's her job, i.e. it's woman's work.

    It was when she brought it home that I noticed it and brought it to her attention.

    I mentioned it because their slick move is akin to the move by casinos to charge resort fees, as neither change is initially obvious to the casual eye.

    Both are also examples of how inflation has run rampant despite the efforts by the powers that be to convince us otherwise.

    But hey, you like it, you got it, sport.
    Last edited by MisterV; 03-14-2021 at 02:44 PM.
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  4. #44
    shady deceptive shit isn't shady and deceptive because *I* spend the time to look at every bit of fine print on every fucking thing I buy!
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  5. #45
    have you guys tried buying a half gallon of ice cream in the last 15 years? No such thing anymore. The long traditional half gallon first was reduces to 1.75 quarts and then to 1.5 quarts. It has almost become commonplace to reduce size, in an attempt to mislead, but that is not illegal, just misleading and kind of sleazy.

    There is something called the truth in advertising laws. There are really two parts to this. One has to do with making false claims of a product. An example would be a weight loss pill that advertises that you can lose 30 pounds in 30 days simply by taking this one capsule. So because of the truth in advertising laws, they are forced to include small print saying something to the effect that "results advertised aren't typical".

    The second part of the truth in advertising laws has to do with pricing and in particular bait and switch. It has to do with advertising the actual price of products and services. This is where resort fees is going to fail. If it was really an add-on for "extra" services that customers could chose to accept or refuse, it would be fine. But that is not what resort fees are. I think there is a reasonable case against resort fees.

  6. #46
    The size of an orange juice container is available to the casual eye every time someone looks at the package, picks it up, and buys it. If someone does not look at it, that is their choice. Being able to make informed choices, like having the size printed on the container, is always good for the consumer and it is not corporate apologies. Resort fees are not listed the majority of times a hotel room price is quoted. That is a significant difference.

  7. #47
    It is not readily noticeable to the woman in a hurry to grab items off the shelf and toss them in her cart.

    Some may notice, some may not, but that is not the point.

    The point is that the fuckers shrank the package but charge the same price.

    Were they honest they'd have kept the same size package and raised the price.

    KJ, my wife said Umpqua ice cream (Oregon made, the best ...) also shrank their container size late last year so yeah, this sort of deceptive marketing is likely to become endemic.
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  8. #48
    Which brings us right back to the stupid idea that anytime a business ever changes the size of their products they are not being honest. That means Coke, Apple, every car maker, and virtually every company that sells products are not been honest at times, because products are constantly changing sizes. Again, that claim is stupid.

    If someone is unwilling to look at the available information about the size, the would also miss the available information about price. Those people are always going to be deceived, by not caring enough to look at what they are buying.

    You are quite obviously an apologist for people who do not pay attention to any details.

  9. #49
    There is nothing "stupid" about my point, you corporate apologist.
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  10. #50
    Originally Posted by MisterV View Post
    The point is that the fuckers shrank the package but charge the same price.
    I look for the juices that are more concentrated, to begin with. Adding half water breaks the sugar content. There is quite a difference between brands, once you add half water, and, then, try it out.

    Anyway, another way to look at this, psychologically, is that the company wants to keep the product affordable. Say that you, a kid, maybe, have $3 to buy a chocolate Easter egg, but, it went up, last week, to $4. Better to buy a smaller one at $3, what you figured on when you left home, than do without the $4 one.

    In jest, call everything a pack of Yo-Yo's. Then MrV will see two yo-yo's for every yo-yo in the pack.

    Well, just shop around for the orange juice that didn't go up. Or, a smarter wife, there MrV. No wonder you're so fucking up tight, all the time.
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  11. #51
    The other thing is it sets your relationship with the hotel on a bit of bullshit standing from the beginning. Is it too much to ask the place you're staying to relax at to be genuinely upfront?

    Just more nickel and diming as Las Vegas loses its magic because gambling can now be had all over the country.
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  12. #52
    Originally Posted by accountinquestion View Post
    The other thing is it sets your relationship with the hotel on a bit of bullshit standing from the beginning. Is it too much to ask the place you're staying to relax at to be genuinely upfront?

    Just more nickel-and-diming as Las Vegas loses its magic because gambling can now be had all over the country.
    People reap what they sow. Not a lot apparently.

    In general, and specific, people do nothing to really and actually tackle corruption, where it exists, in the world. Everyone, and every one wants desperately to bend over backwards to be part of such a population, or group, to move up the food chain. At which point, they are even less happy.

    Where does it stop? Not with the wimps, and schizophrenics like MrV. It can stop only on an individual (who has it together) basis.

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  13. #53
    Originally Posted by MisterV View Post
    There is nothing "stupid" about my point, you corporate apologist.
    Your point is that it is not honest to provide all the information you want, because some people choose to ignore it the information they provide. If that point is not stupid, then the person making it must be.

  14. #54
    Originally Posted by tominnv View Post
    Originally Posted by MisterV View Post
    There is nothing "stupid" about my point, you corporate apologist.
    Your point is that it is not honest to provide all the information you want, because some people choose to ignore it the information they provide. If that point is not stupid, then the person making it must be.
    Oh, MrV is more than stupid. The nutter does any drugs, says any goofy remark, whatever, to be the biggest piece of shit going.

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    Last edited by Garnabby; 03-14-2021 at 05:03 PM.
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  15. #55
    Originally Posted by tominnv
    Your point is that it is not honest to provide all the information you want, because some people choose to ignore it the information they provide. If that point is not stupid, then the person making it must be.
    No, you missed the point.

    They never provided any information; one day the new, smaller box was put on the shelves but marked at the same price as the older, larger container.

    Of course there were no prior announcements or ads telling the buying public that they were doing it.

    Nor were there signs in the store announcing it: 'twas simply a fait accompli.

    You say the mfr provided information?

    No, they didn't provide a damned thing, other than to remove the older, bigger containers from the shelves and replace them with smaller ones.

    It was a trick designed to engineer an immediate price increase with john q. public unlikely to notice how they're getting fucked until after the purchase was made, if then.

    It would be difficult for the average, hurried shopper to notice the difference in container size, which compounds the felony.
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  16. #56
    No, you missed the point, you twit.

    If everything becomes a bit smaller at the same prices, then the periodic grocery bill will remain exactly the same. For those who can't immediately meet an increased grocery bill, well, they could, still, enjoy their full selection of groceries, without having to fart around with deciding which they will have to do without.

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    Last edited by Garnabby; 03-14-2021 at 08:32 PM.
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  17. #57
    Originally Posted by MisterV View Post
    No, you missed the point.

    They never provided any information; one day the new, smaller box was put on the shelves but marked at the same price as the older, larger container.
    The reason why I missed your point, is because it is based on your deceit and lack of honesty. When you claim that the information was not provided, that is a lie. The information about the size of the container is right there on the container, easy to see even in a small picture. For you to claim that they are not providing the information to everyone who looks at the container is deceitful and dishonest.

    If it was a trick, it was a bad one, because very few people are so stupid that they won't refer to the label on the package to help make their purchasing decision.

    Originally Posted by MisterV View Post
    It was a trick designed to engineer an immediate price increase with john q. public unlikely to notice how they're getting fucked until after the purchase was made, if then.
    Since you agree that it is possible to notice after the purchase, that should mean anyone who puts gives it a casual glance would also notice the size of the container before purchasing it.

  18. #58
    Obviously a corporate apologist such as yourself is not worth engaging in further discussion.

    Which is a shame; for a moment or two I thought you were something other than a disputatious troll.

    As with carnabby: "Ignore."

    Done.
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  19. #59
    Originally Posted by MisterV View Post
    Which is a shame; for a moment or two I thought you were something other than a disputatious troll.
    Wh1ch 1s a shame, for a moment or two I thought you were someth1ng other than a d1sputatious troll. --->

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    Originally Posted by MisterV View Post
    As with carnabby: "Ignore."
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  20. #60
    Originally Posted by accountinquestion View Post
    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post
    Originally Posted by accountinquestion View Post
    Boz thinks that because at end of checkout process fees are always made known it is fine.

    I don't know what the solution here is. I pay for a cloud phone system per line. They have this whole price listed and how much it'll cost and not until the actual check out moment do you see there are additional prices that are not taxes. Hate that shit. Taxes are different because they're necessary by the government. Whatever - but mixing the actual cost of something out in some overtly misleading manner is not something I'll ever get behind. Glad to see them sued. It is either that or more laws to prevent this. Not sure which is better. Tired of resort fees which are not optional.

    Maybe the solution is to make places liable for the first price offered by statute.
    Nice reply, AQ, I think some are misunderstanding my stance on this. I agree it’s a waste for most people and isn’t “fair”, but what is? And why is this the one that pisses people off so much?

    The cell phone or cable bill is a perfect example and we just accept it.

    Ever try to buy a mattress? Perhaps the greatest example out there. The companies do everything possible to NOT allow you to compare prices including not selling the same named mattress to 2 different retailers. Comparing hotel room costs in Vegas is simple compared to this.

    Look at the current craze with food delivery like Doordash and Grubhub. People end up paying $20 for a $7.99 burger combo when all the fees are added. They just don’t care. To me it comes down to life not being fair, but in the end we all have choices.

    I’m just not sure I want government and the courts wasting time trying to fix laziness and stupidity. If there is legitimate criminal activity going on by hiding fees and then overcharging a customer, different story. But from what I see, the true and final numbers are there if you take the time to look.

    And again, this isn’t just a Vegas thing, just booked a trip to Wyoming to a private hotel. And of course resort fees are part of the deal. And include nothing I’ll use other than maybe 2 bottles of water per day. Again, my choice to accept it, find another resort without them or sit home. Life goes on.
    The problem with the resort fees is it is not fully transparent. They should be allowed to do it, but when you search on hotels.com it should show the full price. The resort fees have become a thing now. They started out as a lie and have continued so.

    It pisses people off because they're being lied to and the whole process is made more difficult than it should be.

    As far as food delivery services I hate using those for pick-up because the same fees are often embedded in there. I will spend 10 minutes trying to determine whether the prices I'm paying are the same at the restaurant.

    I call them "fuck you fees". I've thought about opening a business that is a middleman and relies on such fees. If I needed another form of income, I'd consider it again.

    The problem is this has become the "new normal".
    Correct, for the most part.

    Resort fees exist to make it harder for the consumer to know the exact price of what they're considering buying. The mattress example given by Boz isn't a good one, because you immediately know how much the mattress costs. They just make it tough to comparison shop with other stores. Here you don't even know the price until you go through a long booking process, which is bullshit.

    It is deceptive. End of story.
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