coach belly are you an advantage player.

[mcap]

Mickey is getting pwned. It’s embarrassing.

[BoSox]

What the hell does Maxpen being a top AP have to do with anything relevant to this dispute? Why did you even put that in your post?

My comments were a direct response to mickey's comments in post #47. Some have suggested YOU have a reading comprehension issue BoSox. I hate to say, it really is looking more and more like that is the case. You read what you want to read.

Here is the actual quote that you copied from mickeycrimm to start your post"

"You really need to get help. You are obviously mentally disturbed."



Taken from post #46, not #47 as you said. The point of fact is if your intent was to dispute a point made about MaxPen you should have included some kind of quote alluding to that fact asshole. Days often go by between responses.

[kewlJ]

What the hell does Maxpen being a top AP have to do with anything relevant to this dispute? Why did you even put that in your post?

My comments were a direct response to mickey's comments in post #47. Some have suggested YOU have a reading comprehension issue BoSox. I hate to say, it really is looking more and more like that is the case. You read what you want to read.

Here is the actual quote that you copied from mickeycrimm to start your post"

"You really need to get help. You are obviously mentally disturbed."



Taken from post #46, not #47 as you said. The point of fact is if your intent was to dispute a point made about MaxPen you should have included some kind of quote alluding to that fact asshole. Days often go by between responses.

Well days didn't go by in this case, asshole. The posts I was responding to were 3 or 4 posts above. And YOU are about the last person that should be giving anyone advice on quoting. More often than not on multiple forums, you seem unable to even figure out the quoting feature and instead retype what a person said. So take that, um....asshole.

[BoSox]

redietz wrote:

"I'm reasonably certain "Singer" didn't keep tabs on free rooms and meal values to arrive at his bottom line."





Reasonably certain, bull crap, sounds like speculation to me.

What other AP's calculations methods used to get to a final tally, was not the way Singer wanted to be looked upon as being in the same boat publically. That is Singer only being Singer every time. However, you can bet your ass that he passed up on nothing, and that was just one of his many secrets.

Just wanted to mention that I'm a bit of a language precisionist, so most of what I say is usually laced with qualifiers as opposed to declarations (as this sentence is), so almost everything has a degree of speculation to it.

My opinion/speculation/me-being-reasonably-certain (as opposed to being certain or someone else being reasonably certain) is that if Singer at any point had amassed mass quantities of comps to which he had attached a value, it would have taken a herculean effort by him to not mention it at some point with a dollar figure attached. His Newell obsession and using price tags adjectivally in reference to the Newell (as my mom did with home decor in my youth -- "the $600 sofa" or the "$40 lamp") allows me to come to my speculative conclusion that had he kept tabs on his freebies, at some point in thousands of posts, he would have attached some kind of price tag to it or boasted about it or mentioned it in some concrete way.

Perhaps I'm wrong and "Singer" displayed the same discipline in not mentioning his comp values as he has in keeping silent about the double up bug or stifling his opinions of blacks, asians, and gays.

I could be wrong, but I doubt it.

And allow me to point out that in this kind of discussion, given BoSox's newbie status regarding all things "Singer," that BoSox's speculations regarding "Singer" are most likely (note the qualifier) more speculative than mine, to coin a phrase from Animal Farm.

Those are two very good points made redeitz. I did realize that I did not know about Singer's history as nearly as well as the rest of you. However, this discussion is not about whatever lies were made by Singer. I don't think that anyone disputes that he made plenty of those.

[BoSox]

My comments were a direct response to mickey's comments in post #47. Some have suggested YOU have a reading comprehension issue BoSox. I hate to say, it really is looking more and more like that is the case. You read what you want to read.

Here is the actual quote that you copied from mickeycrimm to start your post"

"You really need to get help. You are obviously mentally disturbed."



Taken from post #46, not #47 as you said. The point of fact is if your intent was to dispute a point made about MaxPen you should have included some kind of quote alluding to that fact asshole. Days often go by between responses.

Well days didn't go by in this case, asshole. The posts I was responding to were 3 or 4 posts above. And YOU are about the last person that should be giving anyone advice on quoting. More often than not on multiple forums, you seem unable to even figure out the quoting feature and instead retype what a person said. So take that, um....asshole.

No re-typing on my part shit for brains.

[kewlJ]

No re-typing on my part shit for brains.

Oh my God, what is the matter with you? Seriously! It took all of 30 seconds to find these 3 examples where you "manually" quoted. I could find hundreds more, including examples on multiple sites. Talk about "shit for brains".

Redietz wrote:

"It's an old style. No adjectival math attached to claims, very few specific math references at all, everything is about defining things as "possible" as opposed to "probable," and evading the testing spotlight like the chicken being chased by Rocky Balboa."

The Boz wrote:

"*except for the hockey bets. That’s pure degenerate shit.��"

Monet Wrote:

"I thought the story was a bit interesting as it was a V shaped Recovery from 60k up to 83k down to 1100 up to 90,400.
Not something you think can actually happen but after thinking about it I've had 9000 dollar runs on dollar video poker so an 80k run on 10 dollar video poker doesn't seem as far fetched as you think.
That's 6 Royals on 10 dollar VP in about 4 months with somewhat limited play.
That's kind of running hot.
.

[MisterV]

Looks like he got you on that one, BoSox.

You might want to ramp up your attacks on KJ and turn into a rabid homophobe like some others have.

Not that it will do you any good on this forum, but you'll have new material to work with.

Remember: "Slurred lives matter."

[BoSox]

My comments were a direct response to mickey's comments in post #47. Some have suggested YOU have a reading comprehension issue BoSox. I hate to say, it really is looking more and more like that is the case. You read what you want to read.

Here is the actual quote that you copied from mickeycrimm to start your post"

"You really need to get help. You are obviously mentally disturbed."



Taken from post #46, not #47 as you said. The point of fact is if your intent was to dispute a point made about MaxPen you should have included some kind of quote alluding to that fact asshole. Days often go by between responses.

Well days didn't go by in this case, asshole. The posts I was responding to were 3 or 4 posts above. And YOU are about the last person that should be giving anyone advice on quoting. More often than not on multiple forums, you seem unable to even figure out the quoting feature and instead retype what a person said. So take that, um....asshole.

Again no retyping I copy and paste. Yes, I am unfamiliar with some of the quoting features. So sometimes I look for shortcuts.

[kewlJ]

Those are two very good points made redeitz. I did realize that I did not know about Singer's history as nearly as well as the rest of you. However, this discussion is not about whatever lies were made by Singer. I don't think that anyone disputes that he made plenty of those.

I really don't want to dwell on Singer. The character created, "Rob Singer" is now dead. The man that created the character, just now irrelevant.

But the history of the person cannot be ignored. If someone new had come to a forum and made the claim of the double up bug, while skeptical, I would give him the benefit of doubt, until I had reason not to. I and others might have questions and that might seem a little unfair, like an interrogation, but the magnitude of such a claim almost requires that.

BUT, when that same claim is made by a person, who has for 20 years lied and made false claim, you don't take him at his word. At that point the onus is on him to prove his claim. He created that lack of credibility. And that is the point I was trying to make to mickey several years ago. Consider the source and look into it. And if mickey had looked into it, like some of us did, he would have seen many things that don't add up as well as many things that just flat out contradict the possibility.

Google "narcissist". You will find numerous articles listing traits of a narcissist.
All contain common traits of lying for the need for attention. And they escalate these lies and claims when not receiving the attention desired.
They exaggerate their own smarts, success, power, and looks.
The lack of empathy leads them to take advantage of people, with no regrets.
Narcissists may be extremely jealous and ultra-sensitive.
Because they tend to be very thin-skinned, they may angrily lash out at any criticism or push-back.
Narcissists also may lash out when they feel like they’re not getting special treatment.
Underneath all of these traits is a deep sense of insecurity.

This is Rob (the person behind the character) to a tee. Bitter at his admitted failure as an AP and status as a degenerate losing gambler, he made up stories of success, long-term winning playing negative EV. Millions of dollars over 10 years, later amended to fit a new claim. When he was no longer getting the attention desired, he escalated his claim by stealing the double up bug. If any of it had been real there would have been no need for all the name calling and attacks that occurred for decades on numerous forums. But that kind of attacking back, deflecting is classic narcissistic behavior.

And now we see the exact same text book example of narcissist behavior from Mdawg. Honestly it is not just like watching a repeat, but a really BAD repeat.

[MaxPen]

I still claim BoSox was in the slow kids case at school. Maybe not quite a window licker on the special bus.

[BoSox]

I still claim BoSox was in the slow kids case at school. Maybe not quite a window licker on the special bus.

Go ahead have your fun.

[tominnv]

Mathematicians within the community have analyzed and explained that neither Singer's nor MDawg's claims are within the realm of the paranormal.

What were the specific claims analyzed?

Was there anything deeper to the results of the analysis than not "within the realm of the paranormal"?

[coach belly]

What were the specific claims analyzed?

Was there anything deeper to the results of the analysis than not "within the realm of the paranormal"?

Those are good questions.

But, please...you first...

Are you Tom from WoV?
The one that ate all those Nuggets?

[tominnv]

Those are good questions.

But, please...you first...

I already let monet know the answers to his questions. If he would like me to expand further on what I told him, he knows how to reach me.

Which leads us to another question: Why are you hiding most everything involved in the mathematical analysis of MDawg's casino action?

[coach belly]

I already let monet know the answers to his questions.
If he would like me to expand further on what I told him, he knows how to reach me.

I credited monet, but now it's my question too.

Please, no PMs I get too many already.

Just answer publicly and we can move on.

I'm hiding nothing involving the mathematical analysis of MDawg's action.

I can't...it's all a matter of public record.

[tominnv]

I credited monet, but now it's my question too.

Please, no PMs I get too many already.

Just answer publicly and we can move on.

I'm hiding nothing involving the mathematical analysis of MDawg's action.

I can't...it's all a matter of public record.

No.

Now you should have no problems pointing out the public records of mathematicians analysis and explanation of MDawg's casino betting claims.

[monet]

I seen my name and some questions.
I'm too busy (LAZY) to read through this thread and figure it out.
Ask me directly and I'll try to answer if I see the post.
I don't believe in the PM System but I do usually answer them.
I haven't had one for awhile.
The last one was Tasha agreeing with some post of mine.
Other than that it is usually people asking me about where the machines are.
I had a couple guys ask me to partner up on something but I deleted those and dismissed them.
I don't need no stinking partners.
Although, I would make some exceptions with certain members but probably just too busy to be bothered in the long run.
I got my own troubles.

kewlJ quoting me?
That seems odd!?
I thought she had me on ignore.

I can give a quick update of my last two days.
+3,170 dollars from machine play.
I played some 2 dollar BnsPkr Dlx and I played some 1 and 2 dollar Double Bonus Multi-Strike.
When you hear the free ride music you can sing the words: "You can't win."
The music and words fit perfectly not to mention you usually can't win.
I can't remember for sure but I think that game is 600 Variance or around that figure.
Yikes... as you youngins like to say!

In Negative Hockey Bets I had a couple Money Line Parlays that lost going 2-1 and 3-1 on each respectively.
I lost 1400 total on the 27th.
Today I bet the Capitals Money Line at -150.
900 to win 600 that I haven't cashed yet.
Waiting for the next bet to save travel time.
Gone are the days when I insisted on cashing out my tickets immediately.
That line was at -135 but by the time I got to the book it jumped up 15 points.
I guess everyone else was betting it too.
It was a bit painful deciding to bet on it at -150 but I took the plunge anyways.
The Rangers were on a back to back and had an inferior goalie in net.
The Caps decided to trick me with their goalie choice at the last second.
The Capitals tried to blow the game giving up 4 goals in the 3rd to win 5-4.
Good thing I didn't get greedy with the Puck Line this time as I usually do.
Laying 150 to win 100 probably isn't a positive play but it worked out this time.

Tomorrow I target Buffalo yet again.
However, I am worried they might break the losing streak against Philly this time.
I really like the Avs over the Ducks since the Ducks are on a back to back and on Colorado Home Ice.
I may just sit back and try to let my free play run dry.
I figure I can roll for 3 months or so and should collect about 45k in free play.
If I want to go camping or move to Missouri I need to let all free play go to 0.
I don't trust anyone to go pick it up for me and my wife refuses.

Try to leave me alone as I am still trying to put myself in the looney bin by researching Wall Tents, RVs and Farm Houses.
Decisions, Decisions.

[mickeycrimm]

In fact, one of the points I made quite a few times was that a "Singer" type profile (impulsive, martingale, big bankroll, erratic play volume) would benefit people with comps and free play. "Singer," however, berated people for counting such things formally in their analyses of what to play where. I halfway agreed with him since free play and comps could be pulled out from under a player at any time. Sports book players, for example, sometimes had their banked comps radically reduced or zeroed out after ownership changes.

I have debunked "Singer" a long time and do not recall him ever mentioning comps or free play as part of any equation to turn a negative game positive. I honestly don't remember him posting anything like that even once.

But mickey has had private conversations with "Singer," so perhaps "Singer" said things to mickey that contradict the posts or the videos.

And now for the third of The Three Stooges. I already took care of KJocchio and maxpen the poser pro. You have selective memory, comrade. Singer wrote many a story of taking comps/cashback/bounceback/freeplay over the years. Sure he denounced it but he didn't pass it up. He made a lot of brags about casinos sending him a shit ton of freeplay and room comp. You idiot Three Stooges even bashed him for frequently "dragging his wife" to those free casino vacations.

The only thing you have debunked is your knowledge on the subject.

All opinions on any subject should be unbiased. One must have a neutral perspective in evaluating anything. Its the only way to attain any kind of credibility. Not one of the Three Stooges can give an unbiased opinion on Singer.

You know, mickey, my post was gentle. Had not a single bad thing to say about you or "Singer." And this was your response.

"Singer" never used bounce back, comps, free vacations, or free play as part of any accounting to turn negative into positive games. He stated that he felt it was inappropriate, that it was sleazy, addiction-serving bookkeeping, and that people who did it were "weak" and looking for excuses. Why do you not take him at his word?

Why do you feel it appropriate to do something "Singer" publicly said was NOT appropriate in determining wins/losses?

What you are doing is publicly cherry-picking "Singer's" own words and his own strategies and using your knowledge and YOUR accounting (not "Singer's") to do accounting for him. Why didn't you include "Singer's" own quotes or own words as a basis for your argument?

Do you think "Singer" needs your accounting help? Why do you think that?

I just don't get it. For 20 years, "Singer" lambasted video poker players for slowly changing their accounting practices from straight wins/losses to including free play to including comps to including when they sold gifts and Tupperware they received from casinos.

I am biased here. I applauded "Singer" on many occasions -- a rarity -- for taking this stand. I thought "Singer's" "don't-count-junk" bookkeeping was a good idea. It didn't muddy waters because bounce-back could be cut any time, even after play losses, and comps/free play have never been locked up as if in a bank. And the Tupperware is crap.

Your taking this position says that you get to decide what should count as profit from "Singer's" play even though he expressly posted on dozens, if not hundreds, of occasions that he considered what you are doing wrong.

You are basically DEFENDING SINGER FROM HIMSELF.

I don't get it. Well, maybe I do, if you rely on this kind of bookkeeping yourself to sustain the narrative that you are profitable. Or if you are dead set to define "Singer" as an "AP" because that makes everything with him fine and dandy.

Just realize that you are expressly defending "Singer" by doing something he said was WRONG dozens if not hundreds of times. Why do that?

I don't understand why you think your accounting practices should override "Singer's" accounting practices. I'm reasonably certain "Singer" didn't keep tabs on free rooms and meal values to arrive at his bottom line. Why do you value your accounting over his?

Ignoring someone's own words to decide how they should do their bookkeeping is the very soul of bias. You value your opinion over his.


P.S. For the record, when I do my own video poker accounting, I add in free play value after the fact of having played it so I have an objective, not a theo, number. I count nothing else into my formal bookkeeping. I never count room or food values for anything. When I was betting sports in LV more than offshore, I received 20-some nights comped a year. That's down to about a dozen now. I am a very small, modest vp player. I play maybe 50 hours a year. I'm ahead roughly 6K lifetime.

You fucking idiot. Saying the cashback/bounceback/freeplay was not needed is one thing. Not collecting it is another. Use your fucking head for something besides a hat rack. You actually think Singer did not collect it? What an idiot. OH, and take your "I was gentle" bullshit and shove it up your ass, punk.

The equation is pretty simple:

Game Payback = 99.8%
cashback/bounceback/freeplay = could be up to 1% or even better in those days

Newsflash, Comrade Punk. IT DON'T MAKE A FUCK WHAT SINGER WROTE ABOUT IT!!! THE MATH WON'T FUCKING CHANGE!!!

I'm sick and tired of ignorant motherfuckers like you deliberately spreading the disinformation that I support Singer. I make unbiased opinions on the matter. A sick piece of shit like you can't/won't/don't out of your sick ass mentally deranged hatred. Get help for you affliction.

[kewlJ]

kewlJ quoting me?
That seems odd!?
I thought she had me on ignore.

Didn't quote you, you porky bastard. I quoted Bosox, who had manually quoted you.

And yes, blubber butt, I do have you on ignore. We all understand how that works, that I may still see some of your post both when others quote you and when I visit the site without being logged on, which is usually the case when I visit from my phone.

Anyway, I am not opposed to reading some of your posts, because unlike most of the others haters that post nothing useful, only hate, you sometimes post useful information, even financially beneficial information. Here this will really piss you off: within the last two weeks, I was having lunch at Victory Burger at Circa, which has quickly become one of my favorite places. While waiting for the order, I was scanning VCT on my phone, which meant you were unblocked. You had given out a couple hockey picks you liked, one was Tampa bay and I forget the other. Since I was right there at the sportsbook, I bet the puck line both games individually and won. You on the other hand did some kind of parley with I think two other teams, one of which only won by 1 and lost your ticket. I didn't bet a lot, but made 5 hundred and some. I also have won 2 bets against buffalo in the past couple weeks. I only get out once or twice a week so they have to be playing that day and I have to even remember to look. But you have been good for probably a grand for me this month. And every little bit helps, especially now, since I haven't yet returned to blackjack play. So thanks.

[mickeycrimm]

You really need to get help. You are obviously mentally disturbed.

I can assure you the feeling is quite mutual mickeycrimm. Your insane switch regarding Singer and you now distorting and re-writing history to suit your new boyfriend demonstrates a clear detachment from reality. And you obsession with gay sex acts is not normal either. It goes well beyond the juvenile name calling that kids do, which you use as an excuse. It really reveals who you are...insecure closet door and everything.

What should be concerning to you is these opinions are shared by most here. And the same about MaxPen. Your opinions about MaxPen are shared by only you and a couple of the AP haters like blackhole. Everyone else, everyone normal knows Maxpen is a top AP. If blackhole shared my opinion about anything.....I think I would be very concerned.

Look at this idiot, KJocchio. In one sentence he accuses me of having a "new boyfriend." In the very next sentence he accuses me of being obsessed with gay acts. HERE'S THE FUCKING POT CALLING THE KETTLE BLACK. Bitch get your mouth out from around redietz' cock long enough to make a coherent thought. And it's not hard to tell you've been fucking maxpen again. Easy enough to do since you both live in Vegas.

MAXPEN IS A POSER PRO. He hasn't contributed anything to AP discussion in the forums. He's just been in the forums to pick off information from the real pros on where the plays are. He's a monkey see monkey do guy.

And MDawg is right about you, KJocchio. You washed out as a blackjack player. You're a piece of shit bust out loser.