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  1. #21
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Mission, I HAVE contacted the owners, not about this, but about the Norm situation and I was told it was Mike's call. Mike runs the forum, so there.

    No I am not resigning. I don't intend to post there unless things change. No reason to. WoV as it currently is, is no different than here, except the rules change on a whim, depending on Mike's mood. At least here, we understand the rules....there are no rules. But I am not announcing my resignation. I reserve the right to change my mind. But I will bet my current suspension either mysteriously turns to a ban or a mysterious resignation is announced in the coming days.

    Look, Mission, it was Mike who back in December posted "that it was time for Mdawg to put up or shut up and show him his play". I don't know, maybe you missed that because you disappear for months. It was MIKE who said it was time to get to the bottom of this. Did these events in the last week do that? NO! I don't know whether he was played and manipulated, or just outsmarted, but he didn't get done what he was supposed to and people were counting on him to do. He got side tracked by $500 freaking dollars!
    Oh, well there you go. Mike runs the Forum. Sorry about your luck. I still don't understand the total inability to be even one iota objective. He didn't kill your dog, did he?

    I guess we shall see. If I were you, then just don't say anything about it until you have made a decision. I mean not to say anything at all in that regard over there or to Wizard directly.

    I do disappear for months.

    Your Honor:

    Mission146 would like to present his first piece of evidence to back up his case that he doesn't give a fuck.

    Anyway, why are, "People counting on him?" The people who proposed the challenge and paid the money weren't counting on him to do what you said. Like I said, see what you can negotiate between MDawg, Wizard, yourself and whoever else and pony up your money if you're so worried about it. I don't think anyone is stopping you from making the offer and presenting terms to your liking.

  2. #22
    Originally Posted by Mission146 View Post
    Originally Posted by Ozzy View Post
    I was using the voting as an example, you, Mickey and Druff were pretty much the only AP'S to stay almost completely out of it for the most part. Everybody else who knows better except for Mission called his bullshit out. I know I know Mission YOU DONT CARE ... LOL LOL
    Not only that, but there was no disproving anything until it became all but mathematically impossible. That was my starting point. If the belief is that everything is a lie, then a meetup (if it happens) makes at least some things not a total lie anymore...as in, the argument that everything is a lie can't even be made.

    Baccarat is not beatable unless there is a mechanism(s) in place that change the expected value of the overall proposition. No system can do it. No, "Reading the flow of cards," can do it. Why? Because those things are nonsense and do not change the House Edge whatsoever.

    See how simple that is? That's where my confusion comes from. You just go into his thread, say that and why is that not good enough?
    I was told at a very early age that ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE.
    Now you all want to tell me that is a lie.
    Newsflash... They are literally trying to put computers into people's blood stream and hook up computers to your brain with wires!
    I have a difficult time when people tell me something is impossible.

  3. #23
    Originally Posted by monet View Post
    Sorry to Ozzy by the way.
    I'm just amusing myself.
    BoSox already turned on me.
    Don't want to piss off any other members I like.
    At worst I think I will always have talbleplay to banter back and forth with.
    That's the wrong way to put it... AT BEST... I meant AT BEST.
    You haven't slipped in the rankings yet you still have a solid buffer, but things can change in that regard

  4. #24
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post

    Mission, look, Shackleford suspended me for a post that mildly and obliquely had some MDawg parody elements, but was actually an homage to Fear and Loathing on the day that celebrated Fear and Loathing's 50th anniversary. I never mentioned MDawg in my post. But Shackleford, who amazingly runs a site called Wizard of Vegas and DID NOT KNOW when the 50th anniversary of Fear and Loathing kicked off, decided he knew what my post was about.

    He should have apologized for whiffing on a famous event and having me do a (pretty obvious) homage. Instead he decided to defend MDawg. It was asinine, and tells you where his head his.

    And piling on about this -- MDawg IS AS BIG A FEAR AND LOATHING FAN as I am, so MDawg knew it was an homage on the 50th anniversary, but Shackleford was too brain dead to realize it.

    Mission, you would do well to get Shackleford a library card. Might do him a world of good.
    What's Fear and Loathing? It's fifty years old? Yeah, I pretty much automatically don't care, but you can tell me anyway.

    It was an event? I thought it was a movie. I could Google it, but then I'd have to type it twice.

  5. #25
    Originally Posted by Ozzy View Post
    You haven't slipped in the rankings yet you still have a solid buffer, but things can change in that regard
    There was a time when I played poker and scoffed about people being able to beat machines.
    It took a few years to convince me but I was way off on that one.
    I try not to discredit people's claims that I don't have enough knowledge on.
    I usually just decide to stay out of that part of the ocean, so to speak, if I'm unsure.
    I know that Bacc is the biggest game to cheat on but I don't know enough about the game to really voice an opinion or care.

  6. #26
    We need Don S over here to predict how many pages this thread goes.

  7. #27
    Originally Posted by Mission146 View Post
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post

    Mission, look, Shackleford suspended me for a post that mildly and obliquely had some MDawg parody elements, but was actually an homage to Fear and Loathing on the day that celebrated Fear and Loathing's 50th anniversary. I never mentioned MDawg in my post. But Shackleford, who amazingly runs a site called Wizard of Vegas and DID NOT KNOW when the 50th anniversary of Fear and Loathing kicked off, decided he knew what my post was about.

    He should have apologized for whiffing on a famous event and having me do a (pretty obvious) homage. Instead he decided to defend MDawg. It was asinine, and tells you where his head his.

    And piling on about this -- MDawg IS AS BIG A FEAR AND LOATHING FAN as I am, so MDawg knew it was an homage on the 50th anniversary, but Shackleford was too brain dead to realize it.

    Mission, you would do well to get Shackleford a library card. Might do him a world of good.
    What's Fear and Loathing? It's fifty years old? Yeah, I pretty much automatically don't care, but you can tell me anyway.

    It was an event? I thought it was a movie. I could Google it, but then I'd have to type it twice.

    I hope you leap to the Rule 19 defense when the word "Voodoo" gets mentioned at WoV. Last I checked, there were about a million and a half practitioners of Voodoo in the United States alone. It is a religion, you know.

    And rules are rules, right? I mean, where would be without Rule 19?

  8. #28
    Originally Posted by Mission146 View Post
    Anyway, why are, "People counting on him?" The people who proposed the challenge and paid the money weren't counting on him to do what you said. Like I said, see what you can negotiate between MDawg, Wizard, yourself and whoever else and pony up your money if you're so worried about it. I don't think anyone is stopping you from making the offer and presenting terms to your liking.
    Money shouldn't have ever been involved. That just corrupts the process.

    The facts are this guy Mdawg is a previously banned member, who also made claims of baccarat wining. This re-incarnated version has just taken it to a whole new level.

    The claims are so outrageous and math defying that numerous legitimate AP's felt the need to speak up. Mike on the other hand allowed it because it created traffic. Finally after 2 plus year of constant winning (claims), Mike decided it was time to do something....and then was talked out of it by Mdawg. Don't believe me? ask Mike.

    Mdawg, having lost all credibility started creating sockpuppets to support him. And this issue, sockpuppets which has always been front and center at WoV, is suddenly ignored. Look the other way. "VPN's oh gee what can we do". Every other forum manages to deal with VPNs.

    Come on Mission, don't play dumb. And people need to stop with this "anything is possible" bullshit. We are dealing with math and gambling reality, not this 1 in a million "so you are telling me there is a chance" (dumb and dumber) bullshit. Math and reality! That was supposed to be the difference with WoV. Sadly those days are gone and WoV is just another troll forum.
    Dan Druff: "there's no question that MDawg has been an obnoxious braggart, and has rubbed a ton of people the wrong way. There's something missing from his stories. Either they're fabricated, grossly exaggerated, or largely incomplete".

  9. #29
    Amazing how many threads and posts are made for something so easy to comprehend.....RIP

    Also, another big laugh at DarkOz for flushing 2500 down the toilet.....lol

  10. #30
    I hope some of these guys took their blood pressure medication.

  11. #31
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post

    I hope you leap to the Rule 19 defense when the word "Voodoo" gets mentioned at WoV. Last I checked, there were about a million and a half practitioners of Voodoo in the United States alone. It is a religion, you know.

    And rules are rules, right? I mean, where would be without Rule 19?
    I'm not an Admin, so there's nothing for me to leap to. Even if there were, there's a difference between your post and the use of a colloquialism casually.

  12. #32
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post

    Money shouldn't have ever been involved. That just corrupts the process.
    I tend to think no money, no meeting. At a minimum, I doubt it would have happened as quickly. Beyond that, money was introduced twice and not by either of the parties. You're worried about a pine and an elm, but it's an oak you're looking for.

    The facts are this guy Mdawg is a previously banned member, who also made claims of baccarat wining. This re-incarnated version has just taken it to a whole new level.
    I assume you have proof of that. Let me ask it a different way: Suppose that I couldn't prove what you just said and I was an Admin there, what would you expect me to be doing?

    The claims are so outrageous and math defying that numerous legitimate AP's felt the need to speak up. Mike on the other hand allowed it because it created traffic. Finally after 2 plus year of constant winning (claims), Mike decided it was time to do something....and then was talked out of it by Mdawg. Don't believe me? ask Mike.
    I'll take your word for it. I still think you get the most mileage out of just ignoring him, if that's your stance.

    Mdawg, having lost all credibility started creating sockpuppets to support him. And this issue, sockpuppets which has always been front and center at WoV, is suddenly ignored. Look the other way. "VPN's oh gee what can we do". Every other forum manages to deal with VPNs.
    Proof? Also, which ones? MarcusClark? Could be, I guess. Again, if I were an Admin and I couldn't prove it, what would you think I should do?

    Some sort of proof had always been required when I was an Admin. I had a mountain of circumstantial on Nathan and didn't consider it good enough. I also didn't want to ban Nathan because too many people were hassling me to do it.

    Come on Mission, don't play dumb. And people need to stop with this "anything is possible" bullshit. We are dealing with math and gambling reality, not this 1 in a million "so you are telling me there is a chance" (dumb and dumber) bullshit. Math and reality! That was supposed to be the difference with WoV. Sadly those days are gone and WoV is just another troll forum.
    I guess every single person to ever hit the Powerball was fictional.

    Again, you either accept the math, or you don't. I don't think math should only be accepted if you like what it has to say, but I guess you can take that stance.

  13. #33
    Originally Posted by Mission146 View Post

    I tend to think no money, no meeting. At a minimum, I doubt it would have happened as quickly. Beyond that, money was introduced twice and not by either of the parties. You're worried about a pine and an elm, but it's an oak you're looking for.



    I assume you have proof of that. Let me ask it a different way: Suppose that I couldn't prove what you just said and I was an Admin there, what would you expect me to be doing?

    The claims are so outrageous and math defying that numerous legitimate AP's felt the need to speak up. Mike on the other hand allowed it because it created traffic. Finally after 2 plus year of constant winning (claims), Mike decided it was time to do something....and then was talked out of it by Mdawg. Don't believe me? ask Mike.
    I'll take your word for it. I still think you get the most mileage out of just ignoring him, if that's your stance.

    Mdawg, having lost all credibility started creating sockpuppets to support him. And this issue, sockpuppets which has always been front and center at WoV, is suddenly ignored. Look the other way. "VPN's oh gee what can we do". Every other forum manages to deal with VPNs.
    Proof? Also, which ones? MarcusClark? Could be, I guess. Again, if I were an Admin and I couldn't prove it, what would you think I should do?

    Some sort of proof had always been required when I was an Admin. I had a mountain of circumstantial on Nathan and didn't consider it good enough. I also didn't want to ban Nathan because too many people were hassling me to do it.

    Come on Mission, don't play dumb. And people need to stop with this "anything is possible" bullshit. We are dealing with math and gambling reality, not this 1 in a million "so you are telling me there is a chance" (dumb and dumber) bullshit. Math and reality! That was supposed to be the difference with WoV. Sadly those days are gone and WoV is just another troll forum.
    I guess every single person to ever hit the Powerball was fictional.

    Again, you either accept the math, or you don't. I don't think math should only be accepted if you like what it has to say, but I guess you can take that stance.
    If I were to guess the people who asked you to ban Nathan at LEAST ONCE when you were an Admin, if I was a "gambling man " I would have to go with absolute confidence with 1- Pokergrinder(MIA) 2- Long lost GWAE 3- One line wonder DeMango/HouseofOrange and last but not least 4- Mcap( if he has/had) an account over there . This would be as good of a + EV opportunity as any I've ever seen

  14. #34
    I'm quite certain MDawg is doing something so complicated AP wise that most of the AP's can't figure it out.

    He most certainly is combining multiple plays.

    I have seen lot's of stuff to lead me to conclusions as to the general gist of what he can be doing.

    Loss rebates - MDawg never said he had a daily loss rebate. What he said was the losses he sustained one particular day would probably be offset by a rebate he had in place. That's not a daily loss rebate.

    The losses that day were for $48,000 and MDawg claims he went to a new casino and won back $38,000 which he used to pay off his markers from the losing casino.

    Why AP's on here can't see that booking a $48,000 loss still leaves a $48,000 loss on that particular casinos ledger regardless of MDawg winning it back elsewhere beats me.

    He borrows from Peter to pay Paul, books a huge loss at one casino employing a loss rebate while convincing casinos of his good credit elsewhere.

    This is in combination with some advantage that Mike observed (unless you believe a conspiracy of lying by MDawg and Wizard). This advantage leaves the possibility to lose $48,000 but puts the odds in his favor in a rather hidden way (possibly hidden simply because casinos don't suspect the move at Baccarat)

    There may be some other complicated plays involved including trying to obfuscate income (either wins or losses and possibly tied to his stock investment)

    These are all things I surmise from what I see but don't have the full picture.

    Of course you can just believe MDawg is a complete troll with nothing believable and who just loses at everything

  15. #35
    Originally Posted by Darkoz View Post
    I'm quite certain MDawg is doing something so complicated AP wise that most of the AP's can't figure it out.

    He most certainly is combining multiple plays.

    I have seen lot's of stuff to lead me to conclusions as to the general gist of what he can be doing.

    Loss rebates - MDawg never said he had a daily loss rebate. What he said was the losses he sustained one particular day would probably be offset by a rebate he had in place. That's not a daily loss rebate.

    The losses that day were for $48,000 and MDawg claims he went to a new casino and won back $38,000 which he used to pay off his markers from the losing casino.

    Why AP's on here can't see that booking a $48,000 loss still leaves a $48,000 loss on that particular casinos ledger regardless of MDawg winning it back elsewhere beats me.

    He borrows from Peter to pay Paul, books a huge loss at one casino employing a loss rebate while convincing casinos of his good credit elsewhere.

    This is in combination with some advantage that Mike observed (unless you believe a conspiracy of lying by MDawg and Wizard). This advantage leaves the possibility to lose $48,000 but puts the odds in his favor in a rather hidden way (possibly hidden simply because casinos don't suspect the move at Baccarat)

    There may be some other complicated plays involved including trying to obfuscate income (either wins or losses and possibly tied to his stock investment)

    These are all things I surmise from what I see but don't have the full picture.

    Of course you can just believe MDawg is a complete troll with nothing believable and who just loses at everything
    I barely read what you posted here but I hope at minimum you get your money back that you invested.
    I've done some dumb stuff with my money in the last 10 years too.
    Unfortunately, I had to take the loss.

  16. #36
    Originally Posted by Darkoz View Post
    I'm quite certain MDawg is doing something so complicated AP wise that most of the AP's can't figure it out.

    He most certainly is combining multiple plays.

    I have seen lot's of stuff to lead me to conclusions as to the general gist of what he can be doing.

    Loss rebates - MDawg never said he had a daily loss rebate. What he said was the losses he sustained one particular day would probably be offset by a rebate he had in place. That's not a daily loss rebate.

    The losses that day were for $48,000 and MDawg claims he went to a new casino and won back $38,000 which he used to pay off his markers from the losing casino.

    Why AP's on here can't see that booking a $48,000 loss still leaves a $48,000 loss on that particular casinos ledger regardless of MDawg winning it back elsewhere beats me.

    He borrows from Peter to pay Paul, books a huge loss at one casino employing a loss rebate while convincing casinos of his good credit elsewhere.

    This is in combination with some advantage that Mike observed (unless you believe a conspiracy of lying by MDawg and Wizard). This advantage leaves the possibility to lose $48,000 but puts the odds in his favor in a rather hidden way (possibly hidden simply because casinos don't suspect the move at Baccarat)

    There may be some other complicated plays involved including trying to obfuscate income (either wins or losses and possibly tied to his stock investment)

    These are all things I surmise from what I see but don't have the full picture.

    Of course you can just believe MDawg is a complete troll with nothing believable and who just loses at everything
    You are probably right about him using an AP tactic other than the rebates. And if he is, and has been truthful in his reports, he’s the dumbest fuck on earth. How hard will it be for any casino involved to have a bullseye on him now? The trip reports, 8K markers and so much more make it easy to find him. You know as well as anyone casinos hate AP’s. And now this clown has involved a public figure, at least in Vegas casino circles in the Wizard reporting the guy is working an “advantage”. Which to me shows there is far more going on behind the scenes here. Most of the major casinos know Mike or of him and his forum. What moron would want Mike talking about them using an AP move in their casinos for the amounts MD has reported, while they are comping him like a high roller. Nothing makes sense.

    As for the rebates and how you explained them sounds great EXCEPT for we never heard about them before the week before the challenge. And again, if his reports are to be believed, we never heard about a loss in 50+ reports that involved him playing 1-3 shoes a day. Nothing about losses at any casino, nada.

    So he LIED about the past 50 reports or left out any losing events at any casino. Again, nothing ads up that makes sense for someone who claims he is what he claims to be, while being this open about his play.

  17. #37
    It seems the guy has lost his job: how long's it been since he hit "the courtroom?"

    Bwa ha ha ha

    Also, who is this wingman from down under, this wellbrush character?

    Likely a sock but if not he's a coprophiliac who loves eating constipatedDawg's shit.

    Tastes like chicken?
    Last edited by MisterV; 04-24-2021 at 01:47 PM.
    What, Me Worry?

  18. #38
    Originally Posted by monet View Post
    Originally Posted by Darkoz View Post
    I'm quite certain MDawg is doing something so complicated AP wise that most of the AP's can't figure it out.

    He most certainly is combining multiple plays.

    I have seen lot's of stuff to lead me to conclusions as to the general gist of what he can be doing.

    Loss rebates - MDawg never said he had a daily loss rebate. What he said was the losses he sustained one particular day would probably be offset by a rebate he had in place. That's not a daily loss rebate.

    The losses that day were for $48,000 and MDawg claims he went to a new casino and won back $38,000 which he used to pay off his markers from the losing casino.

    Why AP's on here can't see that booking a $48,000 loss still leaves a $48,000 loss on that particular casinos ledger regardless of MDawg winning it back elsewhere beats me.

    He borrows from Peter to pay Paul, books a huge loss at one casino employing a loss rebate while convincing casinos of his good credit elsewhere.

    This is in combination with some advantage that Mike observed (unless you believe a conspiracy of lying by MDawg and Wizard). This advantage leaves the possibility to lose $48,000 but puts the odds in his favor in a rather hidden way (possibly hidden simply because casinos don't suspect the move at Baccarat)

    There may be some other complicated plays involved including trying to obfuscate income (either wins or losses and possibly tied to his stock investment)

    These are all things I surmise from what I see but don't have the full picture.

    Of course you can just believe MDawg is a complete troll with nothing believable and who just loses at everything
    I barely read what you posted here but I hope at minimum you get your money back that you invested.
    I've done some dumb stuff with my money in the last 10 years too.
    Unfortunately, I had to take the loss.
    Whenever someone starts a reply with "I barely read the post I am replying to..." That translates to "I see I may be proven wrong so rather than admit that let me just state I barely read the post."

    I never understood that type of reply as being legitimate. I mean if you want to comment on something prefacing it with a disclaimer that you didn't really read the comments is so transparent as to be without purpose

  19. #39
    Originally Posted by Darkoz View Post
    I'm quite certain MDawg is doing something so complicated AP wise that most of the AP's can't figure it out.
    I reject this, Darkoz. Dating back to February 2020, I and Axelwolf and others asked him a dozen times if he was doing anything that would give him an advantage and he repeatedly replied "no", and gave his bullshit answer about gut feelings and streaks.

    Now if he had come up with something that no other person in the world has come up with, including gambling math experts, using super high speed computer simulations, he was under no obligation to share it. If someone came up with such a "gooden goose" they have every right to keep it to themselves. But he didn't do that either. Kept feeding bullshit claims, about streaks and gut feelings, quitting while ahead (stop limits) and other voodoo concepts that have been proven as nonsense.

    So if he was or is doing something that gives him advantage and repeatedly lied about it, that is on him, not us.

    But I don't believe that either. One very common thing with these trolls is how there story frequently changes. Like Mdawg recently adding in a loss rebate. It is bullshit.

    And I will tell you something else. Anyone who thinks the casinos involved would let this go on for years, and comp high end on top is a bigger fool that Mdawg is playing all of us for. THAT is NOT the way it works. And yes, Eliot told a story of a player that had won for a couple years, 3 or 4 trips a year that he and other experts were called in to evaluate the play. Those were trips of 3, 4, 5 days. They were not 33, 45 day trips 3 or 4 times a year. Mdawgs extended trips amount to much more play than most higher players. These top casinos just are not going to let this go on. Anyone believing that is an idiot and doesn't understand how the casino industry works!

    I am guessing you are a little embarrassed at throwing away the money for this ridiculous challenge, darkoz. A challenge that proved nothing as to the original claims. You can blow it off by saying you spend more on other irrelevant things, but the fact is you gave money for nothing. It proved nothing! If you want to pretend it did now and that Mdawg proved something, then YOU are lying. Only question is, if you are lying to yourself or lying to everyone else to save face.
    Dan Druff: "there's no question that MDawg has been an obnoxious braggart, and has rubbed a ton of people the wrong way. There's something missing from his stories. Either they're fabricated, grossly exaggerated, or largely incomplete".

  20. #40
    Originally Posted by Darkoz View Post
    Whenever someone starts a reply with "I barely read the post I am replying to..." That translates to "I see I may be proven wrong so rather than admit that let me just state I barely read the post."

    I never understood that type of reply as being legitimate. I mean if you want to comment on something prefacing it with a disclaimer that you didn't really read the comments is so transparent as to be without purpose
    I have read most of your posts at WoV about the 2500 dollars.
    I decided not to read this one as you already made your point on WoV why you gave up the cash.
    I was simply saying I hope you break even at best on your 2500 dollar investment.
    I mean it certainly wasn't a gift was it??
    You paid the cash to get information so that you could profit down the road.
    I was actually being nice to you for a change in hopes that you get something for your time and cash.
    Seems crazy to me but I'm not even close to being a Most Feared Anything in life.

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