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  1. #1
    Let’s face it, this dude is an asshole of epic proportions . First he claims to just win every time. Now there is some secret sauce that wizard is sworn to not mention. The whole thing is fucking crazy. If he had a secret sauce he is still the biggest troll on the forum for posting that he is winning and suites when really he is just on a play and leaving that part out. He posts on three forum daily . Brags in every single post. Anyone with a shade of class would not sit and brag non stop about how great they are. Let’s also be honest if he is getting a daily loss rebate then he is a fool for the way he plays it. Simply put no class , braggart who I’m sure has some other severe mental issue. Fuck this guy. That’s why I backed out of offering dark oz also got fucked because my challenge was to observe normal play. Dickdawg couldn’t wait to play the min for the challenge fuck this piece of shit. But I got the info I needed. See you at the tables one day dawggy

  2. #2
    Originally Posted by Ivyleaguegrad View Post
    Let’s face it, this dude is an asshole of epic proportions . First he claims to just win every time. Now there is some secret sauce that wizard is sworn to not mention. The whole thing is fucking crazy. If he had a secret sauce he is still the biggest troll on the forum for posting that he is winning and suites when really he is just on a play and leaving that part out. He posts on three forum daily . Brags in every single post. Anyone with a shade of class would not sit and brag non stop about how great they are. Let’s also be honest if he is getting a daily loss rebate then he is a fool for the way he plays it. Simply put no class , braggart who I’m sure has some other severe mental issue. Fuck this guy. That’s why I backed out of offering dark oz also got fucked because my challenge was to observe normal play. Dickdawg couldn’t wait to play the min for the challenge fuck this piece of shit. But I got the info I needed. See you at the tables one day dawggy
    Then to top it all off, Mr Integrity explains how he would play this out at a 98% success rate. THAT WAS NOT THE WHOLE POINT OF THIS MEETUP(If it even occurred! ) Rusty continues to prove that other then his expertise in math, he's either A= Complete bozo in everyday life B= Has little to no integrity C= Both.... How anybody can trust this weazel is mystifying.

  3. #3
    TurdDawg is the poster child for birth control.

    "Look at me! Look at me!"

    Uh, no.

    *block / ignore on*
    What, Me Worry?

  4. #4
    I agree with everything in these first two posts. Mdawg was asked over a year ago by me and others (axelwolf) if there was anything he was doing that would make his play +EV. Each and every time he said no. I was specifically thinking along the lines of a loss rebate because I phrased it "special conditions or rules". Now all of the sudden, more than 2 years into this scam, this fictional fantasy, he springs a loss rebate, which he said "no" numerous times. He is a liar!

    On top of that a loss rebate would not account for all the winning he has claimed, session after session. As Ivyleagegrad stated, that is not even the way someone would play a loss rebate. Remember all those sessions that he was down big and chased losses to recover. What that essentially amounts to is a big loss followed by a big win. Anyone with a loss rebate would have booked that loss, collected on the loss rebate. And then taken their business elsewhere for another session and if they booked a win like he claimed, would have the loss rebate for the losing session and the big winning session. Sort of a double win. The way he claims, he got nothing except a small win after climbing out of a big hole. People with a loss rebate aren't trying to climb out of a hole. You don't TRY to get in a hole, but if you do, you book the loss and collect the rebate.

    Shackleford's involvement is absolutely disgusting. Predictable, but disgusting. It was his job to get to the bottom of these claims, especially since he provided the platform for these misleading claims. When he finally announced that he would, he allowed himself to be talked out of it in private by Mdawg. Then for a measly $500 Shackleford was all onboard again, but turned it into a contest that had no bearing on Mdawgs play as stated, which was what he was supposed to get to the bottom of. Then Mdawg and Shackleford did everything out of view, stinking of collusion and making shackleford now completely complicit in this whole scam.

    And so everything done, what does Shackleford reveal? That he is not a liberty to say anything?!? THAT was the whole point, Mike, you jackass!
    Dan Druff: "there's no question that MDawg has been an obnoxious braggart, and has rubbed a ton of people the wrong way. There's something missing from his stories. Either they're fabricated, grossly exaggerated, or largely incomplete".

  5. #5
    MDawg is Number 1 in your minds and Number 1 in my heart!!
    (This thread is way too long and I did not read one word of anyone's post...just saying)

  6. #6
    Originally Posted by monet View Post
    MDawg is Number 1 in your minds and Number 1 in my heart!!
    (This thread is way too long and I did not read one word of anyone's post...just saying)
    Funny that a guy who stayed out of it completely for the longest time( didn't even vote ) is adding fuel to the fire to feed this narcissist extraordinaire.Your making up for lost time I see. If this clown Dog is even 10% as full of himself and unbearable as he is online, only beta fanboys could stand being around him in real life !

  7. #7
    Originally Posted by Ozzy View Post
    Funny that a guy who stayed out of it completely for the longest time( didn't even vote ) is adding fuel to the fire to feed this narcissist extraordinaire.Your making up for lost time I see. If this clown Dog is even 10% as full of himself and unbearable as he is online, only beta fanboys could stand being around him in real life !
    lol... voting is a waste of time IMO.
    However, score a few points for you on this post busting my balls.
    Well Done!

    MDawg doesn't bother me because I never read his posts but I like taking his side because I don't see who he is harming?
    Has he asked anyone for money or tried to scam them??
    No... as a matter of fact, they just give him 2000 dollars for nothing and give the Wizard 500 to do what???
    NOTHING lol lol lol.
    The one good thing about his posts is they expose who the Wizard and other Scammers are.
    That's a good thing IMO because far too many people on these forums project themselves to be APs saving the world and constantly doing good to others.

  8. #8
    Originally Posted by monet View Post
    Originally Posted by Ozzy View Post
    Funny that a guy who stayed out of it completely for the longest time( didn't even vote ) is adding fuel to the fire to feed this narcissist extraordinaire.Your making up for lost time I see. If this clown Dog is even 10% as full of himself and unbearable as he is online, only beta fanboys could stand being around him in real life !
    lol... voting is a waste of time IMO.
    However, score a few points for you on this post busting my balls.
    Well Done!

    MDawg doesn't bother me because I never read his posts but I like taking his side because I don't see who he is harming?
    Has he asked anyone for money or tried to scam them??
    No... as a matter of fact they just give him 2000 dollars for nothing and give the Wizard 500 to do what???
    NOTHING lol lol lol.
    The one good thing about his posts is they expose who the Wizard and other Scammers are.
    That's a good thing IMO because far too many people on these forums project themselves to be APs saving the world and constantly doing good to others.
    I was using the voting as an example, you, Mickey and Druff were pretty much the only AP'S to stay almost completely out of it for the most part. Everybody else who knows better except for Mission called his bullshit out. I know I know Mission YOU DONT CARE ... LOL LOL

  9. #9
    Originally Posted by Ozzy View Post
    I was using the voting as an example, you, Mickey and Druff were pretty much the only AP'S to stay almost completely out of it for the most part. Everybody else who knows better except for Mission called his bullshit out. I know I know Mission YOU DONT CARE ... LOL LOL
    I'm still way out of it but things changed when the most feared AP on the East Coast gave him and the wizard 2500 dollars for NOTHING lol lol lol.
    IMO DarkOz is due a Free Meal of his choice up to 250 dollars.

  10. #10
    Originally Posted by Ozzy View Post
    I was using the voting as an example, you, Mickey and Druff were pretty much the only AP'S to stay almost completely out of it for the most part. Everybody else who knows better except for Mission called his bullshit out. I know I know Mission YOU DONT CARE ... LOL LOL
    Not only that, but there was no disproving anything until it became all but mathematically impossible. That was my starting point. If the belief is that everything is a lie, then a meetup (if it happens) makes at least some things not a total lie anymore...as in, the argument that everything is a lie can't even be made.

    Baccarat is not beatable unless there is a mechanism(s) in place that change the expected value of the overall proposition. No system can do it. No, "Reading the flow of cards," can do it. Why? Because those things are nonsense and do not change the House Edge whatsoever.

    See how simple that is? That's where my confusion comes from. You just go into his thread, say that and why is that not good enough?

  11. #11
    KewlJ,

    I have prevailed upon myself that it's not really worth getting into matters of opinion, so I will address only the aspects of that post for which I think the facts disagree.

    Shacklefords involvement is disgusting. Predictable, but disgusting. It was his job to get to the bottom of these claims, especially since he provided the platform for these misleading claims.
    He does not own the site, and therefore, is not providing any platform.

    Then for a measly $500 Shackleford was all onboard again, but turned it into a contest that had no bearing on Mdawgs play as stated, which was what he was supposed to get to the bottom of.
    I don't consider $500 for probably two hours measly, but maybe you've upped the high end of your card counting betting range. Anyway, Wizard didn't turn anything into a contest; that was not his proposal. First, it was ExpectedValue's proposal, then DarkOz took it over. Not Wizard's terms.

    Then Mdawg and Shackleford did everything out of view, stinking of collusion and making shackleford now completely complicit in this whole scam.
    You were expecting what? Thirty-five people to be there with cameras and perhaps CBS Evening News? The proposal that MDawg and Wizard agreed to (that neither actually was the one to propose) was that Wizard would go individually and do the whole thing with MDawg. If you really want Wizard and multiple other people to be doing it, then simply ask Wizard/MDawg how much money that will require and you can also waste your money on something pointless, then you won't feel so left out of the fun. Maybe you can even go, for the right price---oh, that's right, you wouldn't want forum members to be meeting you, either.

    And so everything done, what does Shackleford reveal? That he is not a liberty to say anything?!? THAT was the whole point, Mike, you jackass!
    It wasn't the whole point. Whatever was to be revealed or not revealed could have been addressed in the terms, twice. Darkoz certainly didn't have to offer up the same exact terms.

  12. #12
    Look, here is what Mdawg did prove and I will give credit for. 1) that he is in Las Vegas and 2.) does play I guess enough to get comped the suites he said. Personally, I am not convinced of # 2, but there comes a point, you say ok.

    BUT, if he is getting comped as claimed, he is not winning as he claims. He is leaving out all the losing and losses. I believe that is what he is, a high end player, losing gambler that gets comped well. he is just telling half the story. You don't have to be a high limit player to know how Vegas works and it doesn't work as he claims.

    All you have to really ask yourself is what kind of wealthy guy, on a month long trip to Vegas, posts on forums 24/7, engaging in all the trolling and name calling this guy does. A couple weeks ago, I listed the times he posted on a particular day It was like 55 posts from 6am until 11pm on 2 different forums (I was only counting 2 forums) nearly every few minutes with the exception of about a 3hour break around dinner time. Is that what a real high end player does? Comes to Vegas to post on an internet forum for 17 hours a day, engaging in trolling and name calling? Something doesn't add up here.
    Dan Druff: "there's no question that MDawg has been an obnoxious braggart, and has rubbed a ton of people the wrong way. There's something missing from his stories. Either they're fabricated, grossly exaggerated, or largely incomplete".

  13. #13
    Mission, I HAVE contacted the owners, not about this, but about the Norm situation and I was told it was Mike's call. Mike runs the forum, so there.

    No I am not resigning. I don't intend to post there unless things change. No reason to. WoV as it currently is, is no different than here, except the rules change on a whim, depending on Mike's mood. At least here, we understand the rules....there are no rules. But I am not announcing my resignation. I reserve the right to change my mind. But I will bet my current suspension either mysteriously turns to a ban or a mysterious resignation is announced in the coming days.

    Look, Mission, it was Mike who back in December posted "that it was time for Mdawg to put up or shut up and show him his play". I don't know, maybe you missed that because you disappear for months. It was MIKE who said it was time to get to the bottom of this. Did these events in the last week do that? NO! I don't know whether he was played and manipulated, or just outsmarted, but he didn't get done what he was supposed to and people were counting on him to do. He got side tracked by $500 freaking dollars!
    Dan Druff: "there's no question that MDawg has been an obnoxious braggart, and has rubbed a ton of people the wrong way. There's something missing from his stories. Either they're fabricated, grossly exaggerated, or largely incomplete".

  14. #14
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Mission, I HAVE contacted the owners, not about this, but about the Norm situation and I was told it was Mike's call. Mike runs the forum, so there.

    No I am not resigning. I don't intend to post there unless things change. No reason to. WoV as it currently is, is no different than here, except the rules change on a whim, depending on Mike's mood. At least here, we understand the rules....there are no rules. But I am not announcing my resignation. I reserve the right to change my mind. But I will bet my current suspension either mysteriously turns to a ban or a mysterious resignation is announced in the coming days.

    Look, Mission, it was Mike who back in December posted "that it was time for Mdawg to put up or shut up and show him his play". I don't know, maybe you missed that because you disappear for months. It was MIKE who said it was time to get to the bottom of this. Did these events in the last week do that? NO! I don't know whether he was played and manipulated, or just outsmarted, but he didn't get done what he was supposed to and people were counting on him to do. He got side tracked by $500 freaking dollars!
    Oh, well there you go. Mike runs the Forum. Sorry about your luck. I still don't understand the total inability to be even one iota objective. He didn't kill your dog, did he?

    I guess we shall see. If I were you, then just don't say anything about it until you have made a decision. I mean not to say anything at all in that regard over there or to Wizard directly.

    I do disappear for months.

    Your Honor:

    Mission146 would like to present his first piece of evidence to back up his case that he doesn't give a fuck.

    Anyway, why are, "People counting on him?" The people who proposed the challenge and paid the money weren't counting on him to do what you said. Like I said, see what you can negotiate between MDawg, Wizard, yourself and whoever else and pony up your money if you're so worried about it. I don't think anyone is stopping you from making the offer and presenting terms to your liking.

  15. #15
    Originally Posted by Mission146 View Post
    Anyway, why are, "People counting on him?" The people who proposed the challenge and paid the money weren't counting on him to do what you said. Like I said, see what you can negotiate between MDawg, Wizard, yourself and whoever else and pony up your money if you're so worried about it. I don't think anyone is stopping you from making the offer and presenting terms to your liking.
    Money shouldn't have ever been involved. That just corrupts the process.

    The facts are this guy Mdawg is a previously banned member, who also made claims of baccarat wining. This re-incarnated version has just taken it to a whole new level.

    The claims are so outrageous and math defying that numerous legitimate AP's felt the need to speak up. Mike on the other hand allowed it because it created traffic. Finally after 2 plus year of constant winning (claims), Mike decided it was time to do something....and then was talked out of it by Mdawg. Don't believe me? ask Mike.

    Mdawg, having lost all credibility started creating sockpuppets to support him. And this issue, sockpuppets which has always been front and center at WoV, is suddenly ignored. Look the other way. "VPN's oh gee what can we do". Every other forum manages to deal with VPNs.

    Come on Mission, don't play dumb. And people need to stop with this "anything is possible" bullshit. We are dealing with math and gambling reality, not this 1 in a million "so you are telling me there is a chance" (dumb and dumber) bullshit. Math and reality! That was supposed to be the difference with WoV. Sadly those days are gone and WoV is just another troll forum.
    Dan Druff: "there's no question that MDawg has been an obnoxious braggart, and has rubbed a ton of people the wrong way. There's something missing from his stories. Either they're fabricated, grossly exaggerated, or largely incomplete".

  16. #16
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post

    Money shouldn't have ever been involved. That just corrupts the process.
    I tend to think no money, no meeting. At a minimum, I doubt it would have happened as quickly. Beyond that, money was introduced twice and not by either of the parties. You're worried about a pine and an elm, but it's an oak you're looking for.

    The facts are this guy Mdawg is a previously banned member, who also made claims of baccarat wining. This re-incarnated version has just taken it to a whole new level.
    I assume you have proof of that. Let me ask it a different way: Suppose that I couldn't prove what you just said and I was an Admin there, what would you expect me to be doing?

    The claims are so outrageous and math defying that numerous legitimate AP's felt the need to speak up. Mike on the other hand allowed it because it created traffic. Finally after 2 plus year of constant winning (claims), Mike decided it was time to do something....and then was talked out of it by Mdawg. Don't believe me? ask Mike.
    I'll take your word for it. I still think you get the most mileage out of just ignoring him, if that's your stance.

    Mdawg, having lost all credibility started creating sockpuppets to support him. And this issue, sockpuppets which has always been front and center at WoV, is suddenly ignored. Look the other way. "VPN's oh gee what can we do". Every other forum manages to deal with VPNs.
    Proof? Also, which ones? MarcusClark? Could be, I guess. Again, if I were an Admin and I couldn't prove it, what would you think I should do?

    Some sort of proof had always been required when I was an Admin. I had a mountain of circumstantial on Nathan and didn't consider it good enough. I also didn't want to ban Nathan because too many people were hassling me to do it.

    Come on Mission, don't play dumb. And people need to stop with this "anything is possible" bullshit. We are dealing with math and gambling reality, not this 1 in a million "so you are telling me there is a chance" (dumb and dumber) bullshit. Math and reality! That was supposed to be the difference with WoV. Sadly those days are gone and WoV is just another troll forum.
    I guess every single person to ever hit the Powerball was fictional.

    Again, you either accept the math, or you don't. I don't think math should only be accepted if you like what it has to say, but I guess you can take that stance.

  17. #17
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post

    Look, Mission, it was Mike who back in December posted "that it was time for Mdawg to put up or shut up and show him his play". I don't know, maybe you missed that because you disappear for months. It was MIKE who said it was time to get to the bottom of this. Did these events in the last week do that? NO! I don't know whether he was played and manipulated, or just outsmarted, but he didn't get done what he was supposed to and people were counting on him to do. He got side tracked by $500 freaking dollars!


    How the hell could Mission possibly miss the above post? You have posted the same words I don't know how many times now as it is repeated every few days.

  18. #18
    Originally Posted by BoSox View Post
    How the hell could Mission possibly miss the above post? You have posted the same words I don't know how many times now as it is repeated every few days.
    You know what BoSox, go fuck yourself. I am tired of your bullshit and tired of defending you to people who ask what happened to Bosox? Your just a coach belly type troll now. Just what these forums need.
    Dan Druff: "there's no question that MDawg has been an obnoxious braggart, and has rubbed a ton of people the wrong way. There's something missing from his stories. Either they're fabricated, grossly exaggerated, or largely incomplete".

  19. #19
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by BoSox View Post
    How the hell could Mission possibly miss the above post? You have posted the same words I don't know how many times now as it is repeated every few days.
    You know what BoSox, go fuck yourself. I am tired of your bullshit and tired of defending you to people who ask what happened to Bosox? Your just a coach belly type troll now. Just what these forums need.

    I do not know what you are getting all riled up for what I said is true. Here is the same quote that I copied from you:

    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post

    Look, Mission, it was Mike who back in December posted "that it was time for Mdawg to put up or shut up and show him his play". I don't know, maybe you missed that because you disappear for months. It was MIKE who said it was time to get to the bottom of this. Did these events in the last week do that? NO! I don't know whether he was played and manipulated, or just outsmarted, but he didn't get done what he was supposed to and people were counting on him to do. He got side tracked by $500 freaking dollars!

    You are like a fucken sick talking parrot. Why get all worked up, and obsessed on this board as MDawg is never taken seriously anyway. KewlJ, you need some new material as your words get old fast. Show some originality for a change.

    On a side note, I think you frequently talking bad of the Wizard on this site is a low slime ball move regardless of him being right or wrong. Be a man for christ's sake, you should be glad someone tells you this because you will never figure it out for yourself.

  20. #20
    Mission, I knew you would jump in with you Shackleford ass kissing. Was just waiting for it.

    Ownership of the site is a technicality. Mike RUNS the forum and thus provided the platform. If you don't believe me take note when my suspension that ends tomorrow, mysteriously turns into a ban or resignation. That won't be the serbs, they could care less. That will be Wizard, so don't hide behind that 'he doesn't own the forum' bullshit.

    35 people? No. But there should have been more than just the 2 getting paid. That invites collusion. You want to invite the opposite, transparency. Should have been another couple people not getting paid and Axel would have been the perfect candidate, because he had a strong opinion. Imagine Axelwolf being convinced some of Mdawgs claims were true. That would have been something...a real feather in the cap.

    And I am NOT crying after the fact. I and others, axelwolf included said from the very beginning, this proposal solves nothing about Mdawgs claims, and that was the goal. It would be like playing H-O-R-S-E to determine who the best basketball player in the world is. Ridiculous and anyone playing along, as you are now, is complicit in these bullshit claims.
    Dan Druff: "there's no question that MDawg has been an obnoxious braggart, and has rubbed a ton of people the wrong way. There's something missing from his stories. Either they're fabricated, grossly exaggerated, or largely incomplete".

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