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  1. #61
    My last post on this matter to answer a few questions and my thoughts.

    I feel very confident the name I was provided with is the person posting under the “MDawg” name. Or the person posting is using this persons information as his story. As multiple people have asked me for this name, I will not provide it as I both cannot be 100% sure and could create a problem for this individual if the information is wrong. And believe it or not, I didn’t appreciate it being done to me but as I stated, hundreds of people either know who I am personally from me providing the info, or saw it and saved it from the multiple times it was posted on forums. As for the casino letters if the information is wrong, the odds of this individual being a customer of these casinos, staying for weeks is a long shot. So I don’t have concerns if the name is incorrect I caused an issue for this person with casinos.

    I know some believe me and some don’t, and it doesn’t matter to me either way. I also know I caused some damage to relationships I have made with some and I certainly considered it before publicly posting. I understand it and know trust takes a long time to earn and I certainly hope I didn’t or don’t cause any casino issues for others.

    As for my reasons for even getting involved with MDawg, we have went back and forth in private and publicly on who is who and what is legit. I never doubted he was very rich because of discussions we had in the past. Or he is working on an elaborate long term con that involved him learning a lot about financial markets and much more. I believe the former is true. But he always rubbed me the wrong way with his claims and attitude. That said, I certainly did the same over the years and made more than a few “enemies”. MDawg recently made both public and private claims through PM’s that he has my wives and my personal information and even posted that claim on this forum in a semi threatening manner stating just that.

    Being the type person I am in life, it only made me more determined that he wasn’t going to threaten me either publicly or with people I know. As for the letters to casinos, I am a shareholder of record for all 5 companies that operate the casinos in Las Vegas that the individual may or may not play at. And I believe 100% he is a potential risk to these companies bottom line if what has been posted by the MDawg character is true. Which I have no proof of this but by using the Wizard to verify his abilities and placing the Wizard under a non disclosure agreement does lend some validity to the anonymous posters claims. Mr Shackleford is one of, if not the worlds leading gambling math authority and his publicly stated opinion that this person has found a way to beat the math should be a cause for concern. Add in the claims that this same person is being comped at high levels while winning daily is something in my mind that should be looked into. As I clearly stated in the letters (emails since details are so important to some) that I have zero proof of these claims and everything I know about casinos and math makes these claims mostly unbelievable. But with Shackleford being involved, it does lend to the possibility of the risk if this individual has found the “Holy Grail” of gambling. Add in claims of higher credit limits and full time play, the risk of higher losses to the publicly traded companies is only growing.

    At this point I have no regrets on sending the letters as a concerned investor. There is and was no doxxing on these forums and there will not be from me, nor will anyone get the name I have from me. If the casinos involved ignore the emails or pass them around with no results, so be it. I said my peace and am done with MDawg unless he decides to take a next step with the information on me he has.
    Last edited by The Boz; 05-22-2021 at 10:25 AM.

  2. #62
    Originally Posted by Darkoz View Post
    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post
    Originally Posted by Darkoz View Post
    Firstly, I think the letter was a waste of time. Without a name and Casino account number, I doubt personnel are going to waste time searching for a mystery player.

    They are more likely to trust their employees haven't caught onto something because it doesn't exist than believe a letter sent about an unnamed player.

    Secondly, if this did initiate some type of search, it more likely will accidentally lead to some AP's doing something else than MDawg.

    Whenever Casino personnel are examining their operations for shenanigans isn't a good situation for AP's

    For all the crap I receive on forums for discussion of too much info, because Casino employees read these threads as well, I am shocked there isn't more hollering at actually writing letters to casino management.

    For example, MDawg has mentioned loss rebates. Are there unrelated Advantage Players that may be taking Casinos utilizing some loss rebates combined with other Aap maneuvering? Those players have just been put in jeopardy.

    I really don't feel Casino employees care about what is written on these gambling forums. They do their jobs and go home. They don't want to read about their work when home with the family. Writing to their offices is a different matter.
    There was a name in the letter. It was redacted so it wouldn't be doxxing on this site and have the post removed. Your ability to always miss the obvious continues to amaze.
    Well if it's now PC to out players doing AP (and I don't think a casino will be concerned about a player just playing) then I will begin posting lots more Advantage play tactics.

    Certainly no one will have any problems with this?

    And I don't care if you write letters to Casinos about me because in my case they all know about me.

    It will be me ruining your play and not vice versa so I really don't give a fuck

    Darkoz, did it occur to you, instead of going on a mini-rant, to just say, "I was a horse's ass and didn't read the post I was commenting about?"

    It's okay to admit one is a horse's ass on occasion.

  3. #63
    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post
    My last post on this matter to answer a few questions and my thoughts.

    I feel very confident the name I was provided with is the person posting under the “MDawg” name. Or the person posting is using this persons information as his story. As multiple people have asked me for this name, I will not provide it as I both cannot be 100% sure and could create a problem for this individual if the information is wrong. And believe it or not, I didn’t appreciate it being done to me but as I stated, hundreds of people either know who I am personally from me providing the info, or saw it and saved it from the multiple times it was posted on forums. As for the casino letters if the information is wrong, the odds of this individual being a customer of these casinos, staying for weeks is a long shot. So I don’t have concerns if the name is incorrect I caused an issue for this person with casinos.

    I know some believe me and some don’t, and it doesn’t matter to me either way. I also know I caused some damage to relationships I have made with some and I certainly considered it before publicly posting. I understand it and know trust takes a long time to earn and I certainly hope I didn’t or don’t cause any casino issues for others.

    As for my reasons for even getting involved with MDawg, we have went back and forth in private and publicly on who is who and what is legit. I never doubted he was very rich because of discussions we had in the past. Or he is working on an elaborate long term con that involved him learning a lot about financial markets and much more. I believe the former is true. But he always rubbed me the wrong way with his claims and attitude. That said, I certainly did the same over the years and made more than a few “enemies”. MDawg recently made both public and private claims through PM’s that he has my wives and my personal information and even posted that claim on this forum in a semi threatening manner stating just that.

    Being the type person I am in life, it only made me more determined that he wasn’t going to threaten me either publicly or with people I know. As for the letters to casinos, I am a shareholder of record for all 5 companies that operate the casinos in Las Vegas that the individual may or may not play at. And I believe 100% he is a potential risk to these companies bottom line if what has been posted by the MDawg character is true. Which I have no proof of this but by using the Wizard to verify his abilities and placing the Wizard under a non disclosure agreement does lend some validity to the anonymous posters claims. Mr Shackleford is one of, if not the worlds leading gambling math authority and his publicly stated opinion that this person has found a way to beat the math should be a cause for concern. Add in the claims that this same person is being comped at high levels while winning daily is something in my mind that should be looked into. As I clearly stated in the letters (emails since details are so important to some) that I have zero proof of these claims and everything I know about casinos and math makes these claims mostly unbelievable. But with Shackleford being involved, it does lend to the possibility of the risk if this individual has found the “Holy Grail” of gambling. Add in claims of higher credit limits and full time play, the risk of higher losses to the publicly traded companies is only growing.

    At this point I have no regrets on sending the letters as a concerned investor. There is and was no doxxing on these forums and there will not be from me, nor will anyone get the name I have from me. If the casinos involved ignore the emails or pass them around with no results, so be it. I said my peace and am done with MDawg unless he decides to take a next step with the information on me he has.

    Well, MDawg has certainly reacted as if you have the name correct, so I'd bet that you do.

    I have no idea what MDawg's end game is, but (as kewlj predicted), reported escalation has begun, right on cue. Makes me think, with MDawg's more frequent and longer reported casino stays, that there may be some problems down the road a short ways.

    His responses to the letters smack of off-the-meds tilt.

    By the way, Boz, while I appreciate your flatly stating that nobody else has MDawg's real name, it was unnecessary as a means to deflect his responses away from me. It's all action, as they say in Schuylkill County gambling back rooms.

  4. #64
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Originally Posted by Darkoz View Post
    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post

    There was a name in the letter. It was redacted so it wouldn't be doxxing on this site and have the post removed. Your ability to always miss the obvious continues to amaze.
    Well if it's now PC to out players doing AP (and I don't think a casino will be concerned about a player just playing) then I will begin posting lots more Advantage play tactics.

    Certainly no one will have any problems with this?

    And I don't care if you write letters to Casinos about me because in my case they all know about me.

    It will be me ruining your play and not vice versa so I really don't give a fuck

    Darkoz, did it occur to you, instead of going on a mini-rant, to just say, "I was a horse's ass and didn't read the post I was commenting about?"

    It's okay to admit one is a horse's ass on occasion.
    Okay okay.

    But if we have to go with horse body parts I am claiming I was a horses penis as that part seems to get a bit more respect.

  5. #65
    Originally Posted by Darkoz View Post

    Well if it's now PC to out players doing AP (and I don't think a casino will be concerned about a player just playing) then I will begin posting lots more Advantage play tactics.

    Certainly no one will have any problems with this?

    And I don't care if you write letters to Casinos about me because in my case they all know about me.

    It will be me ruining your play and not vice versa so I really don't give a fuck
    I realize you are an Mdawg fan now, a flip from previous position and that is fine. But has it occurred to you that most of this "trouble", drama and bad blood was Mdawgs doing? He brought much of this on himself.

    If his claims are anywhere close to being true, he should not be posting about it on a puclic forum like he is. I have friends that I network with and communicate privately, that periodically give me hell for my participation, and they are right, there is little to no benefit. I am just dense. If Mdawg's claims are close to true, he is doing 100 times more damage to himself. But that is on him.

    But for all the drama, all he had to say when asked is that yes he is playing with an advantage but can't and won't discuss it any further. But no instead, he had to lie and try to come off as this James Bond character. And then because he lied of left out parts, he started attacking and name calling when people challenged his lies or incomplete story. He created animosity where there should have been fellow AP's rooting for him.
    Last edited by kewlJ; 05-22-2021 at 10:58 AM.
    Dan Druff: "there's no question that MDawg has been an obnoxious braggart, and has rubbed a ton of people the wrong way. There's something missing from his stories. Either they're fabricated, grossly exaggerated, or largely incomplete".

  6. #66
    Originally Posted by Darkoz View Post
    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post
    Originally Posted by Darkoz View Post
    Firstly, I think the letter was a waste of time. Without a name and Casino account number, I doubt personnel are going to waste time searching for a mystery player.

    They are more likely to trust their employees haven't caught onto something because it doesn't exist than believe a letter sent about an unnamed player.

    Secondly, if this did initiate some type of search, it more likely will accidentally lead to some AP's doing something else than MDawg.

    Whenever Casino personnel are examining their operations for shenanigans isn't a good situation for AP's

    For all the crap I receive on forums for discussion of too much info, because Casino employees read these threads as well, I am shocked there isn't more hollering at actually writing letters to casino management.

    For example, MDawg has mentioned loss rebates. Are there unrelated Advantage Players that may be taking Casinos utilizing some loss rebates combined with other Aap maneuvering? Those players have just been put in jeopardy.

    I really don't feel Casino employees care about what is written on these gambling forums. They do their jobs and go home. They don't want to read about their work when home with the family. Writing to their offices is a different matter.
    There was a name in the letter. It was redacted so it wouldn't be doxxing on this site and have the post removed. Your ability to always miss the obvious continues to amaze.
    Well if it's now PC to out players doing AP (and I don't think a casino will be concerned about a player just playing) then I will begin posting lots more Advantage play tactics.

    Certainly no one will have any problems with this?

    And I don't care if you write letters to Casinos about me because in my case they all know about me.

    It will be me ruining your play and not vice versa so I really don't give a fuck
    I denounced outing when it first came up. Nobody denounces outing players or plays more than me. It is unacceptable no matter the circumstance. That is plain common sense. Something you severely lack. That is why you have so many problems.

    Threatening to out more plays because someone calls you out for being the idiot ("horse's penis ") that you are is childish at best. Personally, at this point I could care less what you do. Continue supporting the fact that you are an idiot by doing you. You would only be hurting yourself and others on those plays.
    Last edited by MaxPen; 05-22-2021 at 10:52 AM.

  7. #67
    I really don't feel Casino employees care about what is written on these gambling forums. They do their jobs and go home. They don't want to read about their work when home with the family. Writing to their offices is a different matter.[/QUOTE]

    Someone does read these from the casino. I messaged a bitch about GVR on the Vegas Message Board using jpfromla. My host there reached out and contacted me about it.
    Last edited by jpfromla; 05-22-2021 at 10:53 AM.
    Keep your friends close, keep your drinks closer...

  8. #68
    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post
    Mr Shackleford is one of, if not the worlds leading gambling math authority and his publicly stated opinion that this person has found a way to beat the math should be a cause for concern.
    When and where did Wizard state this? The critisism I have is that Wizard hasn't definitively stated this or anything. He made a very vague statement open to interpretation, that many people are interreting very differently. If Wizard stated this and I missed it, I probably owe someone an apology, but to my knowlege I am not aware of any statement like this.

    Second thing, a case can be made that Mdawg posting as he does harms other AP's, even other AP's doing very different things. I can't tell you how many times I have walked into a casino in my regular rotation and immediately feel like something is wrong. You see little signs, lessened penetration of a shoe game, pit folks with a less friendly demenor, dealers a bit on edge. Just a tense feeling in the air. I have some regular dealers that I can inquire in a friendly way, and you ask one what is going on, and they tell you a team of card counters was in over the weekend. Sometimes they are not so specific and say "a team of AP's" leaving you to wonder if it was card counters or hole-carders or something else.

    But what is imediately apparent, even before I inquire (if I do) is that casino at least at that time, is a decrease opportunity and increased risk for me. I usually leave right away.

    Now Mdawg or someone like him, even doing something very different than I, can present that same kind of problem. His posting what he posts, all that winning, can be a direct negative for me, if it results on casino personnel being on higher alert and less at ease. I am not saying I would rat anyone out, but fact is we are all in this for ourselves.
    Last edited by kewlJ; 05-22-2021 at 10:59 AM.
    Dan Druff: "there's no question that MDawg has been an obnoxious braggart, and has rubbed a ton of people the wrong way. There's something missing from his stories. Either they're fabricated, grossly exaggerated, or largely incomplete".

  9. #69
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by Darkoz View Post

    Well if it's now PC to out players doing AP (and I don't think a casino will be concerned about a player just playing) then I will begin posting lots more Advantage play tactics.

    Certainly no one will have any problems with this?

    And I don't care if you write letters to Casinos about me because in my case they all know about me.

    It will be me ruining your play and not vice versa so I really don't give a fuck
    I realize you are an Mdawg fan now, a flip from previous position and that is fine. But has it occurred to you that most of this "trouble", drama and bad blood was Mdawgs doing? He brought much of this on himself.

    If his claims are anywhere close to being true, he should not be posting about it on a puclic forum like he is. I have friends that I network with and communicate privately, that periodically give me hell for my participation, and they are right, there is little to no benefit. I am just dense. If Mdawg's claims are close to true, he is doing 100 times more damage to himself. But that is on him.

    But for all the drama, all he had to say when asked is that yes he is playing with an advantage but can't and won't discuss it any further. But no instead, he had to lie and try to come off as this James Bond character. And then because he lied of left out parts, he started attacking and name calling when people challenged his lies or incomplete story. He created animosity where there should have been fellow AP's rooting for him.
    I wouldn't call myself an MDawg fan. I find his form of attention seeking grating and this coming from myself am an avowed attention seeker.

    But there seems to be two camps on here.

    MDawg is a liar and fictitious

    MDawg is an AP but lied to the forum.

    This thread is about a letter written to Casinos to out him. You can't out a "lucky" player and you certainly can't out a fictitious player.

    For this letter to make sense, there has to be recognition that MDawg is doing some form of advantage play.

    And actually letter writing Casino staff to out advantage players is just against my principles.

    I wasn't serious about putting up more AP plays just to spite forum members. I find it contradictory that the same persons who decry my mentioning vague details (having thousands of cards at unnamed Casinos) are supportive of letter writing campaigns to Casino staff.

  10. #70
    The letter will go into the nuisance file as soon as they read "I have no proof."

  11. #71
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post
    Mr Shackleford is one of, if not the worlds leading gambling math authority and his publicly stated opinion that this person has found a way to beat the math should be a cause for concern.
    When and where did Wizard state this? The critisism I have is that Wizard hasn't definitively stated this or anything. He made a very vague statement open to interpretation, that many people are interreting very differently. If Wizard stated this and I missed it, I probably owe someone an apology.

    THE POST YOU ARE REPLYING TO
    WizardMember since:Oct 14, 2009Threads: 1373Posts: 22883April 22nd, 2021 at 11:07:16 AMpermalink

    I WROTE

    Quote: darkoz
    Without giving any details away, was the method of play used by MDawg a long-term winning system from your opinion as a math expert?

    I.E. does it appear MDawg can consistently overcome the -EV of Baccarat?

    WIZARDS REPLY:

    I have being saying for over 20 years that betting systems don't work. Not only can't they overcome the house edge, they can't even dent it. My experience with MDawg has not changed my position on that. However, there is more to what MDawg is doing, but due to confidentiality I am not at liberty to discuss this.

  12. #72
    Originally Posted by Darkoz View Post
    WIZARDS REPLY:

    I have being saying for over 20 years that betting systems don't work. Not only can't they overcome the house edge, they can't even dent it. My experience with MDawg has not changed my position on that. However, there is more to what MDawg is doing, but due to confidentiality I am not at liberty to discuss this.
    Yes I am familiar with this answer or statemnet by Wizard. That is the one I am critical of. "However, there is more to what MDawg is doing" is the key part that is open to interpretation and frankly everyone is interpreting differently. It muddies thing rather than clarify anything.

    To me, since this statemnet was made shortly after a loss rebate mentioned for the first, time, I thought it might be referring to that. A loss rebate could make Mdawgs overall play +EV, but it would not account for all the winning sessions, what is it 55 our of 57 currently?

    There are many things Wizards statemnet could be referring to, some that would make a difference and some that wouldn't. That is the problem. And you will note that statement does not say "that would result in his play being +EV". Just says there is more than what he is telling us.

    It all comes back to it is a VERY incomplete statement by Wizard and does not answer the question, many of us thought he was in it to answer. Doesn't even give an opinion. Just a vague, incomplete, half statement, that Mike refused to clean up.
    Dan Druff: "there's no question that MDawg has been an obnoxious braggart, and has rubbed a ton of people the wrong way. There's something missing from his stories. Either they're fabricated, grossly exaggerated, or largely incomplete".

  13. #73
    To me it's just a matter of deduction.

    Wizard says it's not a system or voodoo luck because he witnessed nothing that shakes his notions of -ev games.

    But MDawg is doing "something more". Wizards words!

    There has been a loss rebate mentioned but that would not account for constantly winning sessions. Note he wins sessions, not every hand. The loss rebate is just icing on the cake imo.

    He claims he can tell when a streak is due.

    We also know that he recently "felt" something was different where he played. As in something the Casino did different. It's not something he could put his fingers on.

    To me that implies a method of tracking poor shuffles.

    Here is my go at MDawg method imo.

    Keeping track of previous bet order, ex. PPPBBPPPBPBP. He is allowed to keep a record of this and hell the casino supplies it on the digital results screen.

    He keeps a mental marker (perhaps writes it down?) Of certain key cards that he can follow in the clump

    We know shuffle tracking methods and how they work.

    So he identifies the clump through a poor or sloppy shuffle (something a casino might be able to change discreetly without being to obvious) and when he identifies the key card he bets the same order as the clump previously played .

    It would only take a few hands to recognize if the clump has been poorly shuffled such that the winning order will most likely repeat. If yes, bet into it. If no, retreat. (Which also fits as he claims to not be a true system of wagering blindly based on past results. He would only raise into it if he sees the pattern).

    This would satisfy his claims of being able to predict streaks but not always.

    As a real world example of something along these lines, the Golden Nugget suffered a huge loss when an unshuffled deck ended up put into play and the pattern became obvious to the players. They just followed the pattern and it never failed as due to the cards order, the outcome of future hands could be easily mapped

    Without an unshuffled deck, I theorize MDawg is using poorly shuffled decks and shuffle tracking and prior bet outcome logs to predict his streaks.

    Anyway that's my theory.

    And it only took some deduction. You guys couldn't come up with that???

  14. #74
    You are still doing a lot of assuming this or that and interpreting this one way ect.

    But there are other parts. The casinos in question, several higher end properties on the strip in Las Vegas, are not just going to let a player win everyday for months at a time, for multiple long trips several times a year over many years, like this and then comp him high end on top of it. That just is NOT the way Las Vegas casinos, I assume any casino, but in particular high end las vegas casinos work. They are going to suspect everything from hole-carding, to cheating, maybe some form of dealer collusion, to whatever, and then they are going to figure it out. Not just stand by and do nothing and have the pit and dealers repeatedly tell Mdawg "you are the greatest ever".

    Come, on Darkoz, YOU know how casinos work, even Rob Singer knows this part of the story doesn't add up.
    Dan Druff: "there's no question that MDawg has been an obnoxious braggart, and has rubbed a ton of people the wrong way. There's something missing from his stories. Either they're fabricated, grossly exaggerated, or largely incomplete".

  15. #75
    Pit people are responsible and have to answer for table games, holds, wins and all that. And they even pass that blame on down the line to dealers. So when a table is constantly underperforming because the pit dude allows some player to win everyday, that pit dude is going to catch some shit. He is not going to be rooting for the player and telling him, "he is the best ever". They are going to find out what is going on, if for no other reason than to save their own ass.
    Dan Druff: "there's no question that MDawg has been an obnoxious braggart, and has rubbed a ton of people the wrong way. There's something missing from his stories. Either they're fabricated, grossly exaggerated, or largely incomplete".

  16. #76
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    You are still doing a lot of assuming this or that and interpreting this one way ect.

    But there are other parts. The casinos in question, several higher end properties on the strip in Las Vegas, are not just going to let a player win everyday for months at a time, for multiple long trips several times a year over many years, like this and then comp him high end on top of it. That just is NOT the way Las Vegas casinos, I assume any casino, but in particular high end las vegas casinos work. They are going to suspect everything from hole-carding, to cheating, maybe some form of dealer collusion, to whatever, and then they are going to figure it out. Not just stand by and do nothing and have the pit and dealers repeatedly tell Mdawg "you are the greatest ever".

    Come, on Darkoz, YOU know how casinos work, even Rob Singer knows this part of the story doesn't add up.
    I agree but I believe he is also spreading the action and he even describes it.

    For example the description of losing $48,000 in one afternoon and then winning it back at the casino across the street.

    The casino he lost $48,000 doesn't care if he won it back at another property. As far as they are concerned the house edge kicked in and he lost big.

  17. #77
    Originally Posted by Darkoz View Post
    he bets the same order as the clump previously played .
    If the players are permitted to touch the cards,
    then they are not put back into play after being dealt once.

  18. #78
    Originally Posted by coach belly View Post
    Originally Posted by Darkoz View Post
    he bets the same order as the clump previously played .
    If the players are permitted to touch the cards, then they are not put back into play after being dealt once.
    Then he is choosing to play without touching the cards. Which is probably why he doesn't like playing with other people

  19. #79
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    The casinos in question, several higher end properties on the strip in Las Vegas, are not just going to let a player win everyday for months at a time, for multiple long trips several times a year over many years, like this and then comp him high end on top of it. That just is NOT the way Las Vegas casinos, I assume any casino, but in particular high end las vegas casinos work. They are going to suspect everything from hole-carding, to cheating, maybe some form of dealer collusion, to whatever, and then they are going to figure it out.
    You are assuming that the casinos haven't scrutinized MDawg's play, and came to the same conclusion as the experts in the True Story below..


    Originally Posted by Eliot Jacobson
    True Story:

    A few years back I was asked to investigate a baccarat player who had won tens of millions of dollars from a casino as a consistent winner over a period close to 3 years. He was a high-roller, with a maximum bet on baccarat of about $125,000. Those in management who were savvy about risk understood that this person was most likely just lucky, but few in upper management believed them. So they called in the experts.

    I was among a small handful of experts who were hired to scrutinize how this person played and give a risk assessment. The casino kept careful records of each session of play. I also looked at video footage, inspected the cards, looked at the room where it happened, talked to dealers and did everything else you can imagine someone who is investigating a large financial loss might do. Without fail, every single person who looked at this player came to the same conclusion that I did -- he was lucky. We got various estimates of his luck, he was somewhere between 2.5 and 3.0 standard deviations above expectation for the period of his play.

    Then I retired.

    Then, about three months back I heard again from the casino, purely a friendly call. Guess what? The player had lost it all back, and a lot more. Bravo to the casino for not backing off this player, and instead, listening to the experts and realizing that every wager the player made was a loser, it was just a matter of time.

  20. #80
    Originally Posted by Darkoz View Post
    To me it's just a matter of deduction.

    Wizard says it's not a system or voodoo luck because he witnessed nothing that shakes his notions of -ev games.

    But MDawg is doing "something more". Wizards words!

    There has been a loss rebate mentioned but that would not account for constantly winning sessions. Note he wins sessions, not every hand. The loss rebate is just icing on the cake imo.

    He claims he can tell when a streak is due.

    We also know that he recently "felt" something was different where he played. As in something the Casino did different. It's not something he could put his fingers on.

    To me that implies a method of tracking poor shuffles.

    Here is my go at MDawg method imo.

    Keeping track of previous bet order, ex. PPPBBPPPBPBP. He is allowed to keep a record of this and hell the casino supplies it on the digital results screen.

    He keeps a mental marker (perhaps writes it down?) Of certain key cards that he can follow in the clump

    We know shuffle tracking methods and how they work.

    So he identifies the clump through a poor or sloppy shuffle (something a casino might be able to change discreetly without being to obvious) and when he identifies the key card he bets the same order as the clump previously played .

    It would only take a few hands to recognize if the clump has been poorly shuffled such that the winning order will most likely repeat. If yes, bet into it. If no, retreat. (Which also fits as he claims to not be a true system of wagering blindly based on past results. He would only raise into it if he sees the pattern).

    This would satisfy his claims of being able to predict streaks but not always.

    As a real world example of something along these lines, the Golden Nugget suffered a huge loss when an unshuffled deck ended up put into play and the pattern became obvious to the players. They just followed the pattern and it never failed as due to the cards order, the outcome of future hands could be easily mapped

    Without an unshuffled deck, I theorize MDawg is using poorly shuffled decks and shuffle tracking and prior bet outcome logs to predict his streaks.

    Anyway that's my theory.

    And it only took some deduction. You guys couldn't come up with that???

    Right. Here's another theory. I didn't come up with that because I have some working neurons. DarkOz, do you ever read your own stuff? I mean, I get it that you don't actually read anyone else's, but you should at least read your own out loud in a mirror to see if you can get a hint of what you're trying to sell.

    The problem with DarkOz is that once he commits to something -- say blowing $2500 because it's worth it to get a hint of a hidden edge, or committing to Shackleford as an effective (and honest?) expert witness, he's all about working backwards from his conclusions.

    So now, after years of MDawg play and winning 50 of 52 or whatever, and tales of comps to winners without end, DarkOz comes to the conclusion that it's poorly shuffled decks for years at multiple properties that happen to be high end properties employing the best dealers.

    Jesus Christmas, how did I not come up with that? I bow to the DarkOz's analytic skills. The great and powerful Oz -- knows all and sees all and analyzes like no other.

    Let's take DarkOz's brilliant theory a step further. Maybe MDawg, like Italian entrepreneurs in years past, invested in a cadre and sent them all to dealer schools. Eventually, from his hidden lair, MDawg sent them out into the world to seed various high end casinos. After a few years, the Dawg simply gets the dealers' work schedules and plays when they are available all around town.

    Or, conversely, maybe the Dawg just totes his own dealer with him wherever he goes , and the high end casinos love him so much that they allow his personal dealer to work the table while he plays.

    DarkOz suggests it's poor shuffling at various high end casinos for years by different dealers in the high limit rooms, where, you know, the worst dealers least trusted by management ply their skills. WTF.

    DarkOz, you're trying way to hard to sell complete idiocy. Something is up. You cannot be this naive without a motive.

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