Copy of letter sent to multiple casinos

[MaxPen]

Anyway, those are my opinions and it's quite possible I won't have much more to say about this particular matter.

I just want to know...

Did anyone think it was really possible?

18 yos in a row is probably more likely.

[Mission146]

Anyway, those are my opinions and it's quite possible I won't have much more to say about this particular matter.

I just want to know...

Did anyone think it was really possible?

18 yos in a row is probably more likely.

What, every claim, verbatim? Word for word?

Nah, not really.

A few things:

1.) I don't actually care if it's true or not.

2.) My assumption would be that at least some of it is true. Even if I wanted to prove some of it to be false or embellished, which I have no desire to do, I wouldn't really know where to start attacking the claims.

3.) True or not, I'm neither richer nor poorer.

[MaxPen]

Anyway, those are my opinions and it's quite possible I won't have much more to say about this particular matter.

I just want to know...

Did anyone think it was really possible?

18 yos in a row is probably more likely.

What, every claim, verbatim? Word for word?

Nah, not really.

A few things:

1.) I don't actually care if it's true or not.

2.) My assumption would be that at least some of it is true. Even if I wanted to prove some of it to be false or embellished, which I have no desire to do, I wouldn't really know where to start attacking the claims.

3.) True or not, I'm neither richer nor poorer.

I was asking if anyone believed you, not having more to say on the matter, when you stated "it's quite possible I won't have much more to say on this matter". That is why I quoted you.

lol

[kewlJ]

I just want to know...

Did anyone think it was really possible?

18 yos in a row is probably more likely.

So you are saying there is a chance? (of 18 y.o.'s in a row). I ask that in my Jeff Daniels Dumb & Dumber voice.

[Mission146]

I was asking if anyone believed you, not having more to say on the matter, when you stated "it's quite possible I won't have much more to say on this matter". That is why I quoted you.

lol

Shit, given how much I like to argue when the mood strikes me? I don't even believe me.

[Hawkesite]

Possibilities:

1 - This is fake or made up
2 - Letter(s) sent and ignored
3 - Letters sent and acted on.

If 3 - get ready for the lawsuits and discovery!

[redietz]

Well, I got a fine PM from MDawg this afternoon. The first paragraph said that because I had come out for doxing that I was "an utter lowlife jealous asshole." Now while I have no problem with "lowlife" and "asshole," I think the Dawg has misconstrued my debunking of gambling nonsense as jealousy. I'm not exactly sure why I should be jealous of MDawg. If I became jealous of anyone I know who gambled at higher stakes than me, I'd be jealous of a gazillion folks stretching back 50 years. Sorry, man, I envy expertise, not whatever allowance people get. I must admit that MDawg and I share one curious high end attribute -- we love those little ketchup bottles that come with room service. I collect them, just like the Dawg.

Anyway, it was the next line of the PM that I found curious. "What do I care what others do that doesn't affect you?"

What Dawg, a great Hunter Thompson fan, should be asking is, "Confronted with MDawg's fanciful tales, what would Hunter Thompson do?" He certainly would call them out for what they are. And I suppose that the Dawg is unfamiliar with the Spider-Man line, "With great power comes great responsibility." Well, with expertise comes great responsibility, too.

What do I care what others do that doesn't affect me? I care because I have some rules in life, mostly science-based, that have to do with reporting reality at every turn rather than spreading fantasy. We're only on this planet a short time. We owe it to our fellows to spell out reality whenever we have the opportunity. Makes it easier for everyone else.

Finally, there was a line about me trying to pull down a winner like him demonstrated how poorly I must be doing sports betting. I PM'ed him back and agreed with him. The women's curling betting is killing me. I must have lost 40 out of 41 wagers -- quite a streak. Plus I get murdered with the Norwegian exchange rate.

To sum up, whatever is in progress has evidently gotten under the Dawg's skin. His PM was a tad tilty. Now, since I'm not the one doing the doxing, I can only think that Dawg is reticent to aggrieve The Boz any further.

[kewlJ]

Well, I got a fine PM from MDawg this afternoon. The first paragraph said that because I had come out for doxing that I was "an utter lowlife jealous asshole." Now while I have no problem with "lowlife" and "asshole,"

Must be a cut and paste of the same email I received from the mighty Dog. No doubt others received it as well. he is getting desperate now.

Finally, there was a line about me trying to pull down a winner like him demonstrated how poorly I must be doing sports betting. .

Mine says trying to pull down a winner like him demonstrates how bad a blackjack player I must be. At least he has personalized it for each person. I wonder if he sent it to all 23 people he listed that he is at war with?

[kewlJ]

I am getting a number of follow up PM's now, which I will not engage. But I do publicly welcome Mdawg to join the public discussion, preferably in a respectful manner making any points he has to make. I suspect he won't do that here again because unlike WoV, the playing feild is not tilted towards him with his manipulating of the owner/Administrater. Here, dan Druff will not allow Mdawgs sockpuppets, nor will druff pay any attention to Mdawgs repeated PM's begging that someone be suspended or restricted. All he can do here is resort to attacks and name calling which he has done in the past. Mdawg, if you have anything else, anything of a reasonable point to make, do so publicly not privately.

[AndrewG]

There's nothing for Mr Mdawg to gain here. He should ignore this forum.

[jdaewoo]

There's nothing for Mr Mdawg to gain here. He should ignore this forum.

Maybe he should invent a new persona like you did Alan.

[MisterV]

There's nothing for Mr Mdawg to gain here. He should ignore this forum.

Maybe he should invent a new persona like you did Alan.

He already has; hello, weelbush.

[Darkoz]

Firstly, I think the letter was a waste of time. Without a name and Casino account number, I doubt personnel are going to waste time searching for a mystery player.

They are more likely to trust their employees haven't caught onto something because it doesn't exist than believe a letter sent about an unnamed player.

Secondly, if this did initiate some type of search, it more likely will accidentally lead to some AP's doing something else than MDawg.

Whenever Casino personnel are examining their operations for shenanigans isn't a good situation for AP's

For all the crap I receive on forums for discussion of too much info, because Casino employees read these threads as well, I am shocked there isn't more hollering at actually writing letters to casino management.

For example, MDawg has mentioned loss rebates. Are there unrelated Advantage Players that may be taking Casinos utilizing some loss rebates combined with other Aap maneuvering? Those players have just been put in jeopardy.

I really don't feel Casino employees care about what is written on these gambling forums. They do their jobs and go home. They don't want to read about their work when home with the family. Writing to their offices is a different matter.

[MaxPen]

Firstly, I think the letter was a waste of time. Without a name and Casino account number, I doubt personnel are going to waste time searching for a mystery player.

They are more likely to trust their employees haven't caught onto something because it doesn't exist than believe a letter sent about an unnamed player.

Secondly, if this did initiate some type of search, it more likely will accidentally lead to some AP's doing something else than MDawg.

Whenever Casino personnel are examining their operations for shenanigans isn't a good situation for AP's

For all the crap I receive on forums for discussion of too much info, because Casino employees read these threads as well, I am shocked there isn't more hollering at actually writing letters to casino management.

For example, MDawg has mentioned loss rebates. Are there unrelated Advantage Players that may be taking Casinos utilizing some loss rebates combined with other Aap maneuvering? Those players have just been put in jeopardy.

I really don't feel Casino employees care about what is written on these gambling forums. They do their jobs and go home. They don't want to read about their work when home with the family. Writing to their offices is a different matter.

There was a name in the letter. It was redacted so it wouldn't be doxxing on this site and have the post removed. Your ability to always miss the obvious continues to amaze.

[redietz]

Firstly, I think the letter was a waste of time. Without a name and Casino account number, I doubt personnel are going to waste time searching for a mystery player.

They are more likely to trust their employees haven't caught onto something because it doesn't exist than believe a letter sent about an unnamed player.

Secondly, if this did initiate some type of search, it more likely will accidentally lead to some AP's doing something else than MDawg.

Whenever Casino personnel are examining their operations for shenanigans isn't a good situation for AP's

For all the crap I receive on forums for discussion of too much info, because Casino employees read these threads as well, I am shocked there isn't more hollering at actually writing letters to casino management.

For example, MDawg has mentioned loss rebates. Are there unrelated Advantage Players that may be taking Casinos utilizing some loss rebates combined with other Aap maneuvering? Those players have just been put in jeopardy.

I really don't feel Casino employees care about what is written on these gambling forums. They do their jobs and go home. They don't want to read about their work when home with the family. Writing to their offices is a different matter.

There was a name in the letter. It was redacted so it wouldn't be doxxing on this site and have the post removed. Your ability to always miss the obvious continues to amaze.

Yeah, really. The lack of precision is just ridiculous. It's reading simple English, for God's sake. It's not interpreting calculus formulas.

How do you gamble without precision?

[MaxPen]

How do you gamble without precision?

You wear a mask that makes you stand out like a 6'6" person in a pygmy village, associate with people that will rob you, and have constant confrontations with casino personnel due to your inability to see simple obvious stuff.

tldr: idiocy

[kewlJ]

I really don't feel Casino employees care about what is written on these gambling forums. They do their jobs and go home. They don't want to read about their work when home with the family. Writing to their offices is a different matter.

I know for a fact that you are wrong about this.

First on Stanford Wongs forum where there was a paid section, he confirmed that casino personnel were among the paid subscriptions. If some casino personel are paying for a subscription, you can be sure there are some reading the free boards.

And I am sure of that from personal experience. I have had pit critters call me by my handle, reference a recent trip east I took, and in a very humane jesture, that caught me off guard and surprised me, two different pit folks, wished me well when I returned playing after my last heart surgury.

I saved a thought specific to this forum for last. Didn't dan druff once mention he thought casino personnel sometimes monitored this forum? Or an I confusing that with a more general statement he made that there were many more lurkers that just read than we know.

So there is no doubt some casino folks read these forum, some like Zcore and a few others are even upfront about it. Now whether they do so in an official capacity, or because they themselves maybe parttime AP's and have an interest, I don't know. But a bigger concern, isn't if a few casino perople read on their own time, but if the database companies have someone that monitors different forums. That seems much more likely as that ties directly to their business.

[AndrewG]

Of course casino managers read forums. I think it's very likely they read WOV.

More importantly letters are read. Every single one of them are read. Whether or not the letters trigger any action depends on the letter.

Personally I think the letter in question will be tagged as a personal dispute communication... something that a wife might write to a casino to make life difficult for her husband, perhaps in a divorce situation.

It would not be tagged as a whistleblower letter because it lacks detail about casino employees.

The line that says "I have no proof" will most likely mean this letter will not be taken seriously.

[Darkoz]

Firstly, I think the letter was a waste of time. Without a name and Casino account number, I doubt personnel are going to waste time searching for a mystery player.

They are more likely to trust their employees haven't caught onto something because it doesn't exist than believe a letter sent about an unnamed player.

Secondly, if this did initiate some type of search, it more likely will accidentally lead to some AP's doing something else than MDawg.

Whenever Casino personnel are examining their operations for shenanigans isn't a good situation for AP's

For all the crap I receive on forums for discussion of too much info, because Casino employees read these threads as well, I am shocked there isn't more hollering at actually writing letters to casino management.

For example, MDawg has mentioned loss rebates. Are there unrelated Advantage Players that may be taking Casinos utilizing some loss rebates combined with other Aap maneuvering? Those players have just been put in jeopardy.

I really don't feel Casino employees care about what is written on these gambling forums. They do their jobs and go home. They don't want to read about their work when home with the family. Writing to their offices is a different matter.

There was a name in the letter. It was redacted so it wouldn't be doxxing on this site and have the post removed. Your ability to always miss the obvious continues to amaze.

Well if it's now PC to out players doing AP (and I don't think a casino will be concerned about a player just playing) then I will begin posting lots more Advantage play tactics.

Certainly no one will have any problems with this?

And I don't care if you write letters to Casinos about me because in my case they all know about me.

It will be me ruining your play and not vice versa so I really don't give a fuck

[redietz]

Honestly, MDawg brought this on himself, but being doxed may have its perks. Odds are that, from a purely gambling perspective, The Boz sending letters may have helped MDawg.

The reason I say it may have helped MDawg is that odds are that MDawg has actually taken a beating over the years gambling. I could see some hosts getting the heads up that their client, so-and-so, is posting outrageous fiction about winning online on all these forums and has recruited an online fan club to help him out. Well, hosts would have to be pleased with that -- maybe the MDawg persona could lead some forum readers/gamblers to want to meet the Dawg and hook up with the same hosts. All the fairy tales are good for the casino business in general, so MDawg is doing hosts and managers a favor with his narratives. If anything, upon learning of "The Adventures of MDawg," hosts should be motivated to give the Dawg even more comps and better rooms, which can make their way into the narratives (with photos to boot).

The most likely outcome is that MDawg being doxed boosts his comps and the quality of his rooms. Of course, when his nom de plume gets attached to his real name, he's going to look like a whack job to his non-casino associates and family members, but that's the price of being the lead Dawg.