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  1. #1
    Ok, I haven't paid all that much attention to the Vegas Loop project. I knew Elon Musk was drilling tunnels first from the strip, east to the main part of the convention center on Paradise Road, to transport people. And that at some point they intented to extend these tunnels up and down the strip creating an alternative mode of transportation.

    I though there was like a tram or underground monorial that would be used as the transportation vehichle. But with the east-west portion up and running, turns out they are using Tesla cars to transport people, currently with driver, but at some point plan for driverless. So people jump in a telsa car at one of the "stations" and travel underground through a one lane tunnel to the next station. The plan is that when it really gets going there will just be a constant stream of tesla cars traveling the route. (hense the term "Loop")

    I don't know, sounds kind of dumb to me...certainly not what I was thinking it was.

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    Last edited by kewlJ; 05-28-2021 at 09:48 AM.
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  2. #2
    Good grief, the expense of constructing / building out and then equipping / staffing the project must be insane.

    This is basically a taxi service using its own dedicated roadway.

    Might it not make more economic sense to use an EV capable of carrying more people per trip?

    Musk is no dummy, obviously, but this won't make money unless a helluva lot of people use it.

    That could probably happen IF it is priced right; it's a premium service but the price cannot be seen as unfair or people will not use it.

    Should be interesting and a boon to the strip to watch it all unfold.
    What, Me Worry?

  3. #3
    It should be built up in the goddamn air! Think big, Musk!

    Still, I think it sounds pretty cool.

  4. #4
    Initial cost was $52 mil for the Convention Center. Turns a 30-45 minute walk from one end to the other to two minutes. The above air monorail cost $650 mil. Encore and Resort World are contracted to receive extensions.
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  5. #5
    Originally Posted by MisterV View Post
    Good grief, the expense of constructing / building out and then equipping / staffing the project must be insane.

    This is basically a taxi service using its own dedicated roadway.

    Might it not make more economic sense to use an EV capable of carrying more people per trip?

    Musk is no dummy, obviously, but this won't make money unless a helluva lot of people use it.

    That could probably happen IF it is priced right; it's a premium service but the price cannot be seen as unfair or people will not use it.

    Should be interesting and a boon to the strip to watch it all unfold.
    Now MisterV is trying to convince this forum that he is smarter than Elon Musk.
    Smoke another bowl V... smoke another bowl.

  6. #6
    Originally Posted by jpfromla View Post
    Initial cost was $52 mil for the Convention Center. Turns a 30-45 minute walk from one end to the other to two minutes. The above air monorail cost $650 mil. Encore and Resort World are contracted to receive extensions.
    So speaking of the monorail, it just reopened after being closed for 14 months. It is now under new ownership of the Las vegas convention center agency (I forget what it is called). Prices remain touristy high at $5 one way. BUT local residents can purchase a 20 ride pass for $20.

    When they reopened they said the plan was to operate it another 8-10 years as is (don't know if anything is happening with previous talk of an extention to the Raiders stadium) with the plan being for a new monorial in 8-10 years running down the center of the strip, where it should have been built to begin with.
    Dan Druff: "there's no question that MDawg has been an obnoxious braggart, and has rubbed a ton of people the wrong way. There's something missing from his stories. Either they're fabricated, grossly exaggerated, or largely incomplete".

  7. #7
    Get used to it Fuckers.
    Things Change.
    It won't be long before Gas Engines are obsolete and we are all using electric driverless cars.
    Sucks as it is the end of an era.
    Sort of like how horses and that mode of transportation became obsolete only 100 years ago.
    The automobile killed an entire industry/economy built around horse travel.
    Change is hard.
    Adapt or Die.

  8. #8
    Originally Posted by monet View Post
    Get used to it Fuckers.
    Things Change.
    Listen to this guy? the biggest, hater of change or anything different that I have ever encountered on any forum, maybe in life.
    Dan Druff: "there's no question that MDawg has been an obnoxious braggart, and has rubbed a ton of people the wrong way. There's something missing from his stories. Either they're fabricated, grossly exaggerated, or largely incomplete".

  9. #9
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by jpfromla View Post
    Initial cost was $52 mil for the Convention Center. Turns a 30-45 minute walk from one end to the other to two minutes. The above air monorail cost $650 mil. Encore and Resort World are contracted to receive extensions.
    So speaking of the monorail, it just reopened after being closed for 14 months. It is now under new ownership of the Las vegas convention center agency (I forget what it is called). Prices remain touristy high at $5 one way. BUT local residents can purchase a 20 ride pass for $20.

    When they reopened they said the plan was to operate it another 8-10 years as is (don't know if anything is happening with previous talk of an extention to the Raiders stadium) with the plan being for a new monorial in 8-10 years running down the center of the strip, where it should have been built to begin with.
    My guess is that Convention Center took over the monorail with the idea of shutting it down in time in favor of another system. Also, the manufacturer no longer makes the trains/trams compatible to the system. If they build new, down the Strip center lane, it will be disruptive for years. Boring underground will be less disruptive (at least in theory).
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  10. #10
    Originally Posted by jpfromla View Post
    Boring underground will be less disruptive (at least in theory).
    I can't see this tesla underground loop thing becomeing the MAIN mode of transportation and moving people up and down the strip. Can't handle the volume of people. Have you seen the people that are crammed onto the outdated Duece double decker buses and the Supposedly "express" SDX, which has not resumed, back when times were normal?

    What they need is either a monorail above ground or a monorial / tram type system below ground running right down the strip, accessing both sides. And it should go all the way to the airport despite the taxicab organization (and now probably uber/lift) opposition. And it should run all the way downtown to Fremont Street. Taxi's and double deck buses creeping along the strip, not even connecting to the airport or downtown is so 1970's - 1980's. Las vegas is supposed to be the city that re-invents itself constanty. You have to start with a modern and efficent way to move people.
    Dan Druff: "there's no question that MDawg has been an obnoxious braggart, and has rubbed a ton of people the wrong way. There's something missing from his stories. Either they're fabricated, grossly exaggerated, or largely incomplete".

  11. #11
    Originally Posted by monet
    Now MisterV is trying to convince this forum that he is smarter than Elon Musk.
    Smoke another bowl V... smoke another bowl.
    Read my post again, I said no such thing.

    True, I wonder whether the economies of scale might favor a bigger vehicle but that is speculation, not criticism.
    What, Me Worry?

  12. #12
    Putting it on the strip makes the strip too ugly. Ruins the views. The current monorail seemed to be designed to fail. I used it some and if I happen to be staying where it works out I might use it but it sucks.

    The whole car under the tunnels. I assumed it was at least driverless. Designing and producing a shuttle is a lot of overhead, but staffing a car to drive every few people is a LOL joke. At least get a little pull behind trolly trailer but I guess that would hurt his brand ?
    It is official. Redietz will never be on Dan Druff's podcast. "too much integrity"

  13. #13
    From Vital Vegas...
    https://vitalvegas.com/
    Keep your friends close, keep your drinks closer...

  14. #14
    Originally Posted by jpfromla View Post
    From Vital Vegas...
    https://vitalvegas.com/
    JP, I know you are just linking to vitalvegas. I like Vital Vegas. It is kind of a rumor and Vegas cheerleading site. They called the Palms sale correctly about a week before it was announced. But they get some wrong too. Last June they announced the Fiestas were being sold to Boyd and Texas Station to the Dotty's group. All 3 properties are still sitting idle and unsold.

    Quote from vital vegas article:

    It’s cool because they’re Teslas.

    It’s cool because the project is the brainchild of visionary Elon Musk.

    It’s cool because it’s in Las Vegas.

    It’s cool because one of the stations is lit up like a nightclub.

    It’s cool because conventions are incredibly boring, and the Vegas Loop isn’t.

    People from around the world will come to take the Vegas Loop, even if they aren’t attending a convention.


    Really? It is a .8 mile tunnel that a car drives through. Don't we already have one of those over by the Airport? I mean, serioisly...people are going to come from around the world to get into a car that drives through a tunnel? Hell, I know I would fly over to Europe or Austrailia to sit in a car that drives through a tunnel. Amazing!

    For 20+ years the big problem or complaint about Vegas has been transportation. The Doubledecker buses, about 40 years outdated and the monorail serves almost nothing. This thing does nothing to solve that. And if it is just a gimmick, a tourist attraction, I guess I don't get it. Publicity for Elon Musk maybe, for what that is worth.
    Last edited by kewlJ; 05-29-2021 at 08:39 AM.
    Dan Druff: "there's no question that MDawg has been an obnoxious braggart, and has rubbed a ton of people the wrong way. There's something missing from his stories. Either they're fabricated, grossly exaggerated, or largely incomplete".

  15. #15
    Why not just build a subway the lenghth of the strip, locate it under the stripk, and have entry / exit portals at or near street corners or at such other spots as seem appropriate?

    Oh, forget Teslas with drivers: use real subway train-type cars.
    What, Me Worry?

  16. #16
    Originally Posted by MisterV View Post
    Why not just build a subway the lenghth of the strip, locate it under the stripk, and have entry / exit portals at or near street corners or at such other spots as seem appropriate?

    Oh, forget Teslas with drivers: use real subway train-type cars.
    Short answer is because Musk wants it to be about Tesla.

    The big drawback to a monorail under the strip right down the center, accessing both sides, has been construction would tear up the strip for years. If Musk's boring company can bore a tunnel underground at a rate of a mile a week, with minimal or a much shorter disruption above ground, that in itself is....excuse the pun...groundbreaking and would seem like a no brainer. But then again, most people think I have no brains.

    About the only good I see about the Loop's current proposal is that it IS going through to the airport. Having the monorail end at MGM on Tropicana Ave about a hundred years from Airport ground, about 1/2 mile from terminals, was idiotic. Pure political with pressure from the taxicab and airprot type limo union. taxicabs and uber would still be an option. There are people that will still opt for that direct jump-in-a-cab trip.
    Dan Druff: "there's no question that MDawg has been an obnoxious braggart, and has rubbed a ton of people the wrong way. There's something missing from his stories. Either they're fabricated, grossly exaggerated, or largely incomplete".

  17. #17
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by jpfromla View Post
    From Vital Vegas...
    https://vitalvegas.com/
    JP, I know you are just linking to vitalvegas. I like Vital Vegas. It is kind of a rumor and Vegas cheerleading site. They called the Palms sale correctly about a week before it was announced. But they get some wrong too. Last June they announced the Fiestas were being sold to Boyd and Texas Station to the Dotty's group. All 3 properties are still sitting idle and unsold.

    Quote from vital vegas article:

    It’s cool because they’re Teslas.

    It’s cool because the project is the brainchild of visionary Elon Musk.

    It’s cool because it’s in Las Vegas.

    It’s cool because one of the stations is lit up like a nightclub.

    It’s cool because conventions are incredibly boring, and the Vegas Loop isn’t.

    People from around the world will come to take the Vegas Loop, even if they aren’t attending a convention.


    Really? It is a .8 mile tunnel that a car drives through. Don't we already have one of those over by the Airport? I mean, serioisly...people are going to come from around the world to get into a car that drives through a tunnel? Hell, I know I would fly over to Europe or Austrailia to sit in a car that drives through a tunnel. Amazing!

    For 20+ years the big problem or complaint about Vegas has been transportation. The Doubledecker buses, about 40 years outdated and the monorail serves almost nothing. This thing does nothing to solve that. And if it is just a gimmick, a tourist attraction, I guess I don't get it. Publicity for Elon Musk maybe, for what that is worth.
    VV is an even bigger toolbag than douche dawg. Maybe one out of three of his predictions come true just slings shit against the wall and sees what sticks, carries himself like a belligerent frat boy.

  18. #18
    Originally Posted by MisterV View Post
    Why not just build a subway the lenghth of the strip, locate it under the stripk, and have entry / exit portals at or near street corners or at such other spots as seem appropriate?

    Oh, forget Teslas with drivers: use real subway train-type cars.
    Cost....

    “Transit researcher Alon Levy estimates the rest of the developed world typically builds underground subways for about $350 million per mile. Even the cheapest U.S. project in recent years, Seattle's U-Link, cost nearly double the average in other countries, at $600 million per mile.”

    3 miles down the Strip = 2 billion. Airport another .5 bil. Who’s gonna put up that money. The casinos, I don’t think so.
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  19. #19
    It’s brilliant marketing. Every hour, during a convention, 4000 conventioneers get to sit in and test drive Tesla.
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  20. #20
    Originally Posted by mcap View Post
    VV is an even bigger toolbag than douche dawg. Maybe one out of three of his predictions come true just slings shit against the wall and sees what sticks, carries himself like a belligerent frat boy.
    It works for conspiracy theorists. They get proven right something like 1% of the time, but that's sufficient enough for them to validate all of the other crazy shit they believe.

    I don't really read VV often, so I have no specific opinion on him.

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