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  1. #21
    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post
    Originally Posted by ZenKinG View Post
    If you fucking retard ignorant faggots didn't realize. Every holiday weekend in this mob run shit city is rigged. As soon as memorial day hits I drop 5500 in 3 hours. Tell me the last fucking time I dropped even 4k in 3 hours let alone 5. You're talking to the guy that has had one losing streak over 200 hours in fucking over 2100 hours of blackjack. Well it's the final nail in the coffin. Up 82k for the year in 520 hours or so and I've been cheated every fucking holiday weekend. Find the last person that could make this much betting 2x200 and 2x250 playing only 6 and 8 deck shoes in a 500 hour span. HOW? How are he fuck is that even possible? I'll tell you why cause I'm the fucking best to ever fucking do it. That's why I'm able to get fucking cheated my whole career and still average ov r 150 n hour and not quit. That's fucking why u fucking retard nigger faggot snowflake bitches.

    There will NEVER be anyone like me plaun and simple. You can search the history of blackjack and the the future of blackjack and good luck finding someone on my level. Suggest you join the blackjack the discard creates by fraud faggot ryemo and his little blackjack apprenticeship queer buddies. Go learn off them and fail like them. Every guy on that discord is a button pushing retard or a failed blackjack player that either doesn't play or promotes bja and their overpriced retard bootcamps. They feel so comelled to talk they're someone and an expert but don't do fuck all with the game just like everyone on here. All you fake ass faggot APs. Not to mention you'll see idiots with fake percentages on their names to feel special on some anonymous forum. Since they're too autistic and nerd like to have any friends they need someone to accept them. Stay average kids. Be anyone you want to be on the internet. Not everyone can be me. Lie to yourselves every day online but you only have your retard ass too look at each night with fore you go to bed.

    The ones who can, DO, and the ones who can't, push buttons, write books, run seminars, run bootcamps, run podcasts, and need a team to bankroll them to play blackjack. Find one solo player that can do what I've done with shoe games. Go ahead and I'll kill myself tomorrow, that's how sure I am you won't find that person.

    2x200 bad getting cheated every holiday weekend and still 82k in 520 hours? hahahaha. Best to ever fucking do it and it'll never even be close.

    Final nail in the coffin Vegas. You fucked with the wrong guy. Really is a shame. Lights out kids
    The GOAT

    It's spelled GHOAT

    Greatest Hack Of All Time

  2. #22
    I like this ZK guy. He sees LV for what it is--loaded with freaks, queers, minorities, and the most accomplished bullshitters this side of a fishing tournament. And it didn't take him long to get kew to become rattled enuf by the claims so that he could use the opening to again shamelessly make the spotlight shine over him momentarily. After all, how much sleep has everyone here lost over and over again when we get to read about a kew loss....only to have our anxieties soothed as he concocts tales of flipping the scripts in order that everyone rest at ease?

    ZK tells us that he's the GOAT. That just didn't sit right with internet lifer kew, who OBVIOUSLY has always craved being spoken of as a BJ God. So he takes this "in" to make it appear how genuinely concerned he is over ZK's griping, then using his sloppy "by slight of hand" to interject his sick puppy nonsense about himself. Truly pathetic.

  3. #23
    ^^^^^^^

    The ORIGINAL GHOAT

  4. #24
    Good Morning! Beautiful day today!

    Great to be alive and how lucky we all are to live in this country & at this time in history when mankind's achievements are growing exponentially!

  5. #25
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
    I like this ZK guy. He sees LV for what it is--loaded with ... the most accomplished bullshitters this side of a fishing tournament.
    Indeed.

    Singer, meet ZenKing.

    There can be only one!
    What, Me Worry?

  6. #26
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    I like this ZK guy.
    Should have stopped there. THIS says everything anyone needs to know. And it should send ZenKing screaming into the desert.
    Dan Druff: "there's no question that MDawg has been an obnoxious braggart, and has rubbed a ton of people the wrong way. There's something missing from his stories. Either they're fabricated, grossly exaggerated, or largely incomplete".

  7. #27
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    I like this ZK guy.
    Should have stopped there. THIS says everything anyone needs to know. And it should send ZenKing screaming into the desert.
    Well since it's still Memorial Day weekend, I'm sure he's not finished getting cheated in that mob run town.

  8. #28
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    After all, how much sleep has everyone here lost over and over again when we get to read about a kew loss....only to have our anxieties soothed as he concocts tales of flipping the scripts in order that everyone rest at ease?
    This clearly reveals that you, Rob Singer, a person posing as whatever it is you are posing as, has Zero understanding of how gambling with an advantage and winning longterm works. Those periods of losses, sometimes extreme and quick followed or preceeded by periods of winning, also sometimes extreme but usually a slower climb is how advantage play blackjack works. And players going through it have the need to vent until they get completely comfortable with how these cycles work.

    And that is why I have largly remained silent offering a little encouragement during these episodes from ZenKing. I beleive everything Zenking says as far as his results, and cycles he goes through (not so much his conspiracry theories about the losing) because it is exactly how the game works longterm. It is a rollercoaster, up and down, sometimes steep inclines and drops, and in the end, I slight upward trajectory, over the longer ride. So everything Zenking says about his ride rings true to me. It is just time he start to get a grip of this is how it works and not scream during the worst of times, nor all the cocky "I am the greatest" at the peaks.

    But again, everything about his journey rings true, as opposed to a guy claiming longterm winnings from a losing game, with voodoo concepts like progressive wagering, stop limits and "special plays".
    Dan Druff: "there's no question that MDawg has been an obnoxious braggart, and has rubbed a ton of people the wrong way. There's something missing from his stories. Either they're fabricated, grossly exaggerated, or largely incomplete".

  9. #29
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    Well since it's still Memorial Day weekend, I'm sure he's not finished getting cheated in that mob run town.
    You joke about that jbjb and it is sort of funny, but I beleive this to be one of if not the single biggest issue for Zenking.

    I don't know exactly how you and your team work, so I am asking with some interest. What happens if you find a juicy game, (straight up counting), maybe extrordinary penetration, or some favorable rules. So after playing this juicy game for a while, a fairly significant amount of play (still statitsically insignificant), you are seeing results that seem pretty unuusal, maybe in the red, or with a large enough sample size, maybe winning but far below expectation. Results unusual enough that thoughts that something isn't on the up and up start to creep into your head. How do you handle it?

    Basically you can either move on to other games that you are move comfortable with or continue to play this game that you are starting to become uncomfortable with, and try to prove something, I guess to yourself. I have gone both ways. At EC, when I became uncomfortable with extended results, I sort of did an in-betweener. Stopped playing but wasted time counting down hundreds of shoes.

    In the end you realize or at least I did, that it isn't about beating every single casino, every single game, every single dealer, it is about making money in the longrun. And to that end, if there is a game, a situation, a dealer that you are uncomfortable with, it is best to move on. You aren't going to prove anything and aren't going to get to a number (large enogh sample size) at any given situation to prove or disprove anything. You prove it at the end of the year when you can say I won this amount playing the game. Try to prove it for every situation and you just end up stuck in the mud, spinning your wheels wasting time that could be spent winning elsewhere toward the long-term.

    In short, I view it as a football game. Every play doesn't work. Some lose yardage. Sometimes several in a row don't work and you have to punt. You win at the end of the game when more have worked than not and you have more points.
    Last edited by kewlJ; 05-30-2021 at 10:43 AM.
    Dan Druff: "there's no question that MDawg has been an obnoxious braggart, and has rubbed a ton of people the wrong way. There's something missing from his stories. Either they're fabricated, grossly exaggerated, or largely incomplete".

  10. #30
    I guess what it comes down to is this one concept. Blackjack card counting is a game with sometime very extreme short term fluctuation or varainace in both directions. Assuming you are not being cheated (more in a moment), none of that fluxuation really matters. You fight on to the long run and all that fluctuation goes out the window and the math takes over. Don't focus on those short meaningless periods of fluctuation.

    Now in the rare event you find or are convinced of cheating, MOVE ON, and get back on the path to that longterm. It is always about the longterm, because that is where the math can't be denied and it is all about math.
    Dan Druff: "there's no question that MDawg has been an obnoxious braggart, and has rubbed a ton of people the wrong way. There's something missing from his stories. Either they're fabricated, grossly exaggerated, or largely incomplete".

  11. #31
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    Well since it's still Memorial Day weekend, I'm sure he's not finished getting cheated in that mob run town.
    You joke about that jbjb and it is sort of funny, but I beleive this to be one of if not the single biggest issue for Zenking.

    I don't know exactly how you and your team work, so I am asking with some interest. What happens if you find a juicy game, (straight up counting), maybe extrordinary penetration, or some favorable rules. So after playing this juicy game for a while, a fairly significant amount of play (still statitsically insignificant), you are seeing results that seem pretty unuusal, maybe in the red, or with a large enough sample size, maybe winning but far below expectation. Results unusual enough that thoughts that something isn't on the up and up start to creep into your head. How do you handle it?

    Basically you can either move on to other games that you are move comfortable with or continue to play this game that you are starting to become uncomfortable with, and try to prove something, I guess to yourself. I have gone both ways. At EC, when I became uncomfortable with extended results, I sort of did an in-betweener. Stopped playing but wasted time counting down hundreds of shoes.

    In the end you realize or at least I did, that it isn't about beating every single casino, every single game, every single dealer, it is about making money in the longrun. And to that end, if there is a game, a situation, a dealer that you are uncomfortable with, it is best to move on. You aren't going to prove anything and aren't going to get to a number (large enogh sample size) at any given situation to prove or disprove anything. You prove it at the end of the year when you can say I won this amount playing the game. Try to prove it for every situation and you just end up stuck in the mud, spinning your wheels wasting time that could be spent winning elsewhere toward the long-term.

    In short, I view it as a football game. Every play doesn't work. Some lose yardage. Sometimes several in a row don't work and you have to punt. You win at the end of the game when more have worked than not and you have more points.
    I was a straight lone counter for a bunch of years. I had many sessions and days like he's had. I've also had the opposite where you just clean house with minimum bets and no advantage at all.

  12. #32
    After years of full time counting still can’t deal with variance without having a meltdown. Most people get over it at some point or move on.

  13. #33
    Originally Posted by mcap View Post
    After years of full time counting still can’t deal with variance without having a meltdown. Most people get over it at some point or move on.
    We recently lost $45k on a carnival game and it didn't even cause us to wince.

  14. #34
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    Originally Posted by mcap View Post
    After years of full time counting still can’t deal with variance without having a meltdown. Most people get over it at some point or move on.
    We recently lost $45k on a carnival game and it didn't even cause us to wince.
    There is nothing wrong with a little "wincing" and nothing wrong with a little venting.

    Last year which was my 17th year of fulltime play, 12th at my current levels of play, I lost 32, 33k when I returned just after casinos re-opened. Now I have lost 30+k, I don't even know how many times, 6, 7 maybe more. So it should have been no big deal. But what made this a little different, besides the extrodinary circumstances of 2020 and casinos being shut down, is that it occured immadiatly after re-opening, and it occured immediately after I had moved up in stakes. Just sort of caught me off guard even in my 17th year. I went from +13k pre shutdown to -20k in like 2 weeks AND all the loss occured at a single casino, South Point, double deck game.

    My immediate, knee-jerk reaction was damn they are cheating. Shorting the deck of A,10's or doing something with the shuffle (hand shuffle) clumping, causing high counts that don't win. I publicly made that accusation (shades of Zenking). And again, this in my 17th year of this shit.

    After calming down, running sims revealing within 3 standard divations (closer to 2 than 3), and even checking the opening procedure of the tables, I realized, yeah I had jumped the gun. (there was a bit of odd procedure in the opening of tables that shouldn't be, but that is another matter).

    So after a short break, I played on. It was a good game, they were allowing me to play unrated and spread decently. Won back about half of that amount lost in the next several visits and looking back, I am a bit embarrassed at my knee-jerk reaction at this point of my career. Like, I said, the situation was a little bit different than anything I had gone through before with the covid re-opening and higher stakes, But still I should have known better. But no harm in venting and sharing these experiences, new to you. I think it can be beneficial to other players that may someday go through something similar. They may look back and say, "yeah I remember so and so, sharing a similar experience" that may help them.

    But the difference with Zenking is it seems to be the exact same situation. He experiences some negative variance and freaks out. To the point of calling every casino in Vegas crooked and every player winning, a liar. It just gets tiring.
    Dan Druff: "there's no question that MDawg has been an obnoxious braggart, and has rubbed a ton of people the wrong way. There's something missing from his stories. Either they're fabricated, grossly exaggerated, or largely incomplete".

  15. #35
    Oh BTW, there is a quick solution that can help with these things. I mentioned it above. You run a simulation to see exactly how unusal your fluctuation was and usually you will discover not as unusual or extreme as you thought. So Zenking, did you run a simulation, for the game you were playing, your spread ect to determine just how unusual a $5k loss was over the hours played? Just eyeballing it, I would say close to but probably under 2 stand deviations. translation: Not that unusual.
    Dan Druff: "there's no question that MDawg has been an obnoxious braggart, and has rubbed a ton of people the wrong way. There's something missing from his stories. Either they're fabricated, grossly exaggerated, or largely incomplete".

  16. #36
    Losing $5500 betting 2 x $200 or $250 is common.

  17. #37
    I suspect Zen King's expenses take up a large percentage of his winnings. Subsequently, when he comes up against some negative variance it all becomes a double whammy. I cannot imagine how difficult it would be while playing under that scenario. Basically, I live two lives. In the real world, I live in a modest 5 room ranch home and live well but would seem concerative to some people. In the casino, I play the best game available which for the majority of the time is in high-limit rooms. The swings are big like a recent visit where I lost $9500 and won it all back the next day plus a small $900 profit. Understanding the variance involved as well as being properly bankrolled is a necessity because being good in itself is not enough.

  18. #38
    Originally Posted by BoSox View Post
    I suspect Zen King's expenses take up a large percentage of his winnings. Subsequently, when he comes up against some negative variance it all becomes a double whammy.
    This is probably true. Sometimes I read these boards and forget that others may not be at the same point in their journey as I am, living month to month or quarter to quarter.

    The "double whammy" comment takes me back to 2011. I bought my condo just off strip at Flamingo/Koval in late 2009. So by 2011, I probably had 100k or so in cash (BR/savings) and my condo. So along comes a major medical situation, my fist go around with heart surgery. If memory serves I had been on a little bit of a downturn just prior to my medical situation, plus had just experienced a robbery in that same time period, not a lot, but 6 grand I think.

    So you go in the hospital and have your surgery and of course aren't really thinking about finances. More improtant things on your mind. Then you come home and are recovering and of course not playing so no money coming in. Normal living expenses still need to be paid though, mortagage, condo fee, utilities, food. And then almost immediately you start getting medical bills. Even with insurance there are co-pays and things not covered and the bills are rolling in. It just seems like you are hemoragging money. now of course none of this applies to zenking, other than the hemoragging money. If you don't have a lot in reserve and are living sort of month to month or quarter to quarter, these normal swings may seem like hemmoraging money.

    The answer to that (for me anyway), was to build enough funds, so that I can set aside money (or just have it in savings) and say this is my living expense for the year. then you can sort of go out and just play and worry less about the everyday swings. Related to longterm thinking I guess. Of course, easier said than done to just say, yeah, accumulate more money. That comes with time.
    Last edited by kewlJ; 05-30-2021 at 01:35 PM.
    Dan Druff: "there's no question that MDawg has been an obnoxious braggart, and has rubbed a ton of people the wrong way. There's something missing from his stories. Either they're fabricated, grossly exaggerated, or largely incomplete".

  19. #39
    I have enjoyed this thread, well the response, talking a little blackjack, different folks sharing some thoughts. Doesn't happen often here. On the surface seems like at Zenkings expense, but really, I think there is a lot of good intent (I know there is on my part). I doubt it will matter to him, but whatever. Now going to squeeze in some play today.
    Dan Druff: "there's no question that MDawg has been an obnoxious braggart, and has rubbed a ton of people the wrong way. There's something missing from his stories. Either they're fabricated, grossly exaggerated, or largely incomplete".

  20. #40
    Kj, and how many hours was that when you allegedly won 115k? You and everyone else thinks this is a miracle run hahahha. I've been hearing it's a miracle run for the past 400 hours. I'm over 520 hours and been averaging over 150 an hour for the past 400 hours. The reason you guys think it's a miracle run is cause none of you understand the game like I do of how I'm manipulating the game. Im averaging an hourly rate similar to double deck. HOW? Cause I'm not a fucking retard. You do realize I've never had a losing streak over 200 hours more than once in a 2100+ hour sample size right? You do realize my winning streaks also never last for 200 hours other than one time right. You do realize in a round perspective it's always around 15k rounds MAX before it turns around with winning or losing. You do realize this 520 hour recent sample is right after covid when I completely revamped my game and the way I'm playing blackjack right now there's likely no one that has been able to play this way in the history of blackjack. You do realize ive also only had one losing streak over 12k or so in my career. Who else can say all of that? And then people call me arrogant. I never knew facts were arrogant.

    Keep thinking this is miracle run like every other retard on the discord that said it was a miracle run at the 100 hour mark, the 200 hour mark, the 300 hour mark, the 400 hour mark, and now the 500 hour mark. There was even a bet where we guessed what my hourly would be after 400 hours and I literally landed it on the dot. Hourly came out to 155.9 and I said it would be 155. And right now it's right around that yet again if not on the dot hahaha. Problem is when you're this good, people just can't believe it. Like what are the chances I literally guessed my hourly after 400 hours on the fucking dot? I don't think I even realize my potential which is scary.

    Also for all you idiots commenting about my loss. Maybe if you had some reading comprehension classes and actually understood how to read instead of listening to reply, you listen to understand, you would realize I'm NOT complaining about the 5500 loss, but rather over the fact that I ALWAYS get clobbered on holiday weekends? How is that possible. Not once. Not twice. Not three times. Not 4. Literally every fucking holiday weekend since I've been in Vegas I not only lose but get clobbered. You think that's a coincidence? How many more fucking weekends do you need? Let's say they weren't cheating. Do you realize how much of a fucking troll that is for me to not always lose but get clobbered on every single major holiday weekend? Do you not see the problem with that? Of course you dont cause all of you are fucking fraud retarda.

    I also don't believe you won shit. I'm starting to question your whole career. You don't even realize there's surrender and a deep pen game on the strip? Have you been living under a rock, are you just trying to protect where you play, or are you a total fraud? You've even said in the past publicly you don't even play the strip? That's beyond fraudulent. Anyone that's played Vegas knows you won't be able to make upper 5 figures a year solo off strip. All these so called 'great games' you mention that are off strip are bullshit. I've lived in this town 4 years now. If you want to get any decent action down and for long you need to play the strip. You're probably just trying to hide where you play or else your whole career is fraudlent just based off your statements regarding the strip.

    One day you'll be as good as me. Tell me how many losing streaks you've had over 200 hours or more than 15k rounds before hitting an all time high. I'll wait. Until then just bow down. And people call this arrogance hahahaha.
    Last edited by ZenKinG; 05-30-2021 at 09:33 PM.

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