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[kewlJ]

Ok Belly, I have tried yet again to treat you like a normal person when you are nothing but a troll and want nothing but to troll and play games. Back on ignore you go (on both forums). But before I again ignore you I will post this message on both forums, here and GF.

No one is required to prove anything on these forums under normal circumstances. I have shared my journey for years, including my results as I have gone through them, including some pretty negative runs and bad periods as well as the good. I call it the "good, the bad and the ugly". That is what blackjack card counting advantage play is....high variance, winning and losing periods. A rollercoaster. I have seen no one share the good and bad as accurately as I do. Maybe the closest is ZenKing, but he only shares the bad runs which is kind of weird. When he is winning, not a peep out of him.

Anyway, people are free to believe my journey or not. But here is the thing....the math works! Before covid (before 2020), I played 60-70 thousand rounds of blackjack a year at an average advantage of about $1.25 round. A little more for double deck play, closer to $1.00/rd for 6 deck play. Do the math. That is roughly $80,000 a year and that is almost exactly what I have averaged over the years.

Now 2020 and 2021 the numbers are different. I have been playing higher stakes because I am able to get away with it during covid with the masks and other things. So I have been playing fewer rounds at a higher average per round, for roughly the same expected value. It is all about the math and playing with an advantage, slight as it is for card counting. So there is no reason for me to prove anything to you. The math works and I am not on trial. You and everyone can believe or not believe.

So here is the point where we get to Singer, Mdawg and a few others. They make claims that the math doesn't work. There is no math that explains 100's of thousands of dollars winning playing -EV. So I said earlier "under normal circumstances". Well when the math doesn't work and your claims defy the math, I believe you should explain yourself. Still no one is on trial so I don't demand it, but if you want people to believe claims that defy math, you should explain it. Of course these people don't because they can't. They come up with weird stuff like "special plays" and stop limits and gut feelings about betting up into a streak, all voodoo nonsense by the way.

So no I will prove nothing to you. The math works and explains what I do. If that is not good enough for you or anybody, that is really YOUR problem, not mine.

Now anybody publicly questioning me or anyone else, they should be the one to prove my claims false. To prove I don't play blackjack for a living, don't make what I claim, don't live where I say. And the funniest thing: a couple of these guys just did investigate and try to disprove what I claim and ended up proving the opposite that I am exactly who I say and live where I described in a nice condo. Having proved my case, they now are contradicting their own findings and investigation. Weird...just weird.

So if I wanted to troll you like you do me and others I could post "prove it", "prove it" after every single thing you say. But that is not the way it works. If the math works and the claims reasonable and backed by math, no one is required to prove anything.

So you should be asking for proof from the people who's claims defy math and defy how things work, but oddly, you defend them or stay silent. Why? Because it is all about the troll for you. That's all. You are dishonest and a troll. So back to ignore you go where you belong and most members have you.

[coach belly]

I'll post one of the Cincy tickets.

No I am not paying anything for something that you promised to provide for the price of a forum post challenging your veracity.

So go ahead and do what you said that you would do...it's too late to attach strings.

But if you are willing to post more than one Cincy ticket, then I'll reconsider.

[coach belly]

So there is no reason for me to prove anything to you.

You're deflecting. I haven't asked you to prove anything about you play.

You wrote that there are others who have investigated Singer and found the same info that you did.

I asked politely, who are the others?

You wrote it is well documented that MDawg repeated a lie over 100 times.

I asked politely, what is the documentation?

You replied to reasonable questions by lying about me.

So block me if that's what you need to do to avoid telling the truth.

[jdaewoo]

You wrote above that there were others, who are the others?

Oh look, coach cunt is back with his cunty questions.

[monet]

Oh look, coach cunt is back with his cunty questions.

Welcome Back Faggot!

[AxelWolf]

Are you challenging my veracity, coach? LOL. If you send Dan $10, I'll post one of the Cincy tickets. I'll make you a deal. You send Dan $10, and I'll send Dan $500. If I don't produce at least one screenshot of a ticket worth a minimum of 50K in winnings, you keep the $500. If I do, I keep your $10. Make sure you sign the ten dollar bill, so I can frame it.

No, I wouldn't post the info, because I didn't do the research. Not my research to post.

And what are you blabbing about regarding "Tipsters or Gypsters?" Some of the standings were posted in the old Retro Road Trip thread. They are screen shots from some of the annual reports. Check with mickey. He rotated them properly after I failed to do so.


P.S. to forum devotees: I'm hoping coach isn't too broke to send Dan a sawbuck. I know it's a helluva commitment, but it's worth it to prove that I'm lying.

Just curious, how much of that is profit, and is that profit/risk all yours or part of a group/team thing? One can have huge winning tickets however there's oftentimes many losing wagering going on in the meantime.

I can show tons of profits via online sports accounts as well, and I don't claim to be a pro sports bettor.

[mickeycrimm]

There are two parts to KJ's brain, the right side and the left side. On the left side there's nothing right. On the right side there's nothing left.

[Mission146]

-5 -4 -3 -2 -1...0...1...2...3...4...5
DO NOT Believe...Totally Believe

Okay, so I'm going to be about a -3.5 on that scale, but what difference does it make? I also don't care whether Singer did it, or not, as that has no impact on me whatsoever.

If Singer did the DUB, then Singer wins.

If Singer did not do the DUB, then Singer wins.

Either he did it and he's sitting on the seven figures he claims (or once had it, anyway) or he didn't do it and made this multi-year conversation the most talked about thing on this Forum even to this day apropos of nothing except for the inability that some of you have to just let anything go. I know, pot and kettle, but I (mostly) only argue against things that are factually wrong in a provable way.

First casino where he did it and when? Fucking difference would knowing that make? Do you think THAT casino even knows (assuming they don't still have them) whether or not they had the applicable units at the time? The next thing is it'll be a random claim that such-and-such talked to so and so at that casino and they said they never had the machines impacted by the bug.

How would anyone here know what was or wasn't available where? Even if someone here could know that, then that would mean Singer could also come to know that. Also, how would anyone prove where Singer was or was not at a specific time more than a decade ago? Are you guys even reading your own posts? If Singer was going to lie about it, then certainly he could simply go with casinos known to have had it (which would actually be many of them if you could get them to activate the feature) and he'd go with times that he remembers actually being in Vegas.

For that matter, all he would have to do is pick a casino that doesn't even exist anymore. He could say that he did it at Riviera...prove that wrong! The building doesn't even exist anymore, so how would anyone here know if the applicable Game Kings were ever there? Not to mention the fact that, other than Nestor/Kane (known), Singer is the only one I have ever heard of to claim to have done it.

[coach belly]

Oh look, coach is back

And so are you back, cunt, with your cunty comments,
just like the slimy dick-riding cunt that you are, cunt.

[mickeycrimm]

Hopefully, Rob won't mind if I tell you that in the phone call he told me the last place he went to play the DUB was Silverton. He requested they turn the DUB on. They refused and one employee told him IGT sent them a memo telling them to keep the DU turned off. And I think he said the guy even showed him the memo.

I can't remember if Rob gave me any more details than that but it's easy to dead reckon that if they sent that memo to Silverton they probably sent it to all casinos. Anyways, Rob said that was the last time he attempted to put the play down.

My memory is not quite clear on this but I'm thinking Rob told me it was a couple months later he learned about Kane and Nestor in the news.

[mcap]

Theory: Comred has an issue to pick with Mission position mostly because he’s a paid writer who probably wasn’t a “journalism major.”

[redietz]

Are you challenging my veracity, coach? LOL. If you send Dan $10, I'll post one of the Cincy tickets. I'll make you a deal. You send Dan $10, and I'll send Dan $500. If I don't produce at least one screenshot of a ticket worth a minimum of 50K in winnings, you keep the $500. If I do, I keep your $10. Make sure you sign the ten dollar bill, so I can frame it.

No, I wouldn't post the info, because I didn't do the research. Not my research to post.

And what are you blabbing about regarding "Tipsters or Gypsters?" Some of the standings were posted in the old Retro Road Trip thread. They are screen shots from some of the annual reports. Check with mickey. He rotated them properly after I failed to do so.


P.S. to forum devotees: I'm hoping coach isn't too broke to send Dan a sawbuck. I know it's a helluva commitment, but it's worth it to prove that I'm lying.

Just curious, how much of that is profit, and is that profit/risk all yours or part of a group/team thing? One can have huge winning tickets however there's oftentimes many losing wagering going on in the meantime.

I can show tons of profits via online sports accounts as well, and I don't claim to be a pro sports bettor.

Obviously. Axelwolf is obviously right.

Using a select few of many long shot sports futures tickets, and posting just the ones that show a profit is a standard (maybe THE standard) scam trickeration. In fact, it's how some scamdicappers managed to get enormous publicity a few years back, highlighting their Royals to win World Series tickets. Got USA Today coverage, as I recall, and other major media exposures.

I don't do that. I have run an outfit called Integrity Sports for 40 years. As far as the Cincy tickets, they are no big deal, as they will generate a minimal profit compared to other futures I've had in the past. The moneyline hedging (Bearcats will not beat Alabama) will double or triple my money -- that's about it. So it's a nice profit, as I said, but it's nothing remarkable. Alabama beating Georgia set up a worst case scenario for me in terms of hedging. Had Auburn or Georgia beaten Alabama, the moneyline situation would be completely different.

As I mentioned, this scenario reminds me of roughly 25 years ago when I took San Diego early in the season at 100-1 to win the SB. They wound up playing San Fran as 17-point underdogs, and I had to lay -1100 to make money. Ugly. Fortunately, I knew an illegal bookmaker, Mike Stockunas (who is semi-famous) and he was kind enough to allow me to make my hedge wagers without fronting any cash, which saved me a trip to Las Vegas and lot of inconvenience.

Besides, I mentioned taking Cincy a long time ago and said they had about as much chance as my "stepping out with Elizabeth Hurley on Saturday night." I also mentioned that I blew money on Arizona State at 150-1 to win the whole shebang. So it's not like I'm touting some big accomplishment.

For big accomplishments along this vein, I suggest the Retro Road Trip thread, where my late cousin, E.R. Dietz, had a fantastic SB futures story. Some of those tickets are posted there in that thread.

More later. Axel, check out the Retro Road Trip posts with those futures tickets.

[redietz]

Theory: Comred has an issue to pick with Mission position mostly because he’s a paid writer who probably wasn’t a “journalism major.”

Mcap, you're dead on, except for the fact that I'd recommend Mission in a heartbeat for any writing gig I saw become available. Given that sports gambling is exploding, I'm likely to see quite a few of those opening up. Mission would be a good "math guy," clearly explaining aspects of math to sports gamblers. For example, regarding a topic recently discussed, he'd probably do a nice job explaining why civilians making futures wagers is a "bad bet" most of the time.

I'd also recommend him as a fact checker for when academics do field work and aren't terribly familiar with the math of certain gambling ventures.

So yeah, other than that, you're correct.

For the record, I was a journalism major for two years before switching to English writing option at Penn State. Why would I be upset with Mission being a paid writer? That's the best kind! I have had paying gigs at a few newspapers, both writing and photography. A weekly newspaper column where I killed it versus the spread helped me launch Integrity Sports when I was 21.

[coach belly]

The moneyline hedging (Bearcats will not beat Alabama) will double or triple my money -- that's about it.

So you don't actually have any Cincy tickets worth at least $50K, because those wagers have not been resolved...Cincy hasn't won the National Championship, nor (according to you) will they win it.

Isn't that correct?

If you bet $600 on Cincy @ 150-1, then you will be hedging $90K to win $600 - $1200, or $1200 - $2400 when you factor in your AZSt wager?

How many of your clients would split that futures windfall?

[redietz]

The moneyline hedging (Bearcats will not beat Alabama) will double or triple my money -- that's about it.

So you don't actually have any Cincy tickets worth at least $50K, because those wagers have not been resolved...Cincy hasn't won the National Championship, nor (according to you) will they win it.

Isn't that correct?

If you bet $600 on Cincy @ 150-1, then you will be hedging $90K to win $600 - $1200, or $1200 - $2400 when you factor in your AZSt wager?

How many of your clients would split that futures windfall?

The difference between most folks reading this and coach is that for most folks it's implicit in the odds and the lines what the profit is. There's no trick to it. It's obvious.

The Arizona State wager, meanwhile, gets lumped in with all of the other futures for the year when everything is tallied up.

What's funny about coach is that he accepts my honest reporting of something that doesn't make a fortune (although I'll accept doubling of money at every opportunity), but he seems reticent to accept my honest reporting of those things that make a lot of money. Seems to be an odd bias.

For example, coach is more than willing to accept that my Bearcats at 150-1 is a profitable bust. I see it that way myself. Now how about those 2015 Texas Rangers who I had at 50-1 to win the division. Let me repeat that. I had them at 50-1 to win the division. Let me repeat that again, because you are not likely to find many teams at 50-1 to win a baseball division these days. I had the Rangers at 50-1 to win the division. I bet a baseball future maybe once every couple of years. I had the Giants to win the division and the NL this year. I made a little money. I only made a little because I didn't take them pre-season; I took them about 50 games in. I was not going to ask them to beat the Dodgers in the NL Championship.

So yes, I compare the Bearcats to the Chargers versus the 49ers way back in 1995. Required some semi-brilliant insight, but insight doesn't always work out. A profitable, well-played future, but a royal pain in the ass to hedge. There's no secret to it. You look at the odds and the lines.

Here's the most heart-breaking future I got screwed on, probably in my life. I had serious money on it as opposed to the small amount on the Bearcats.

https://theskepticalgambler.blogspot...epest-cut.html

It's a good story.

[coach belly]

he accepts my honest reporting of something that doesn't make a fortune (although I'll accept doubling of money at every opportunity), but he seems reticent to accept my honest reporting of those things that make a lot of money.

You are incorrect sir...I don't accept anything that you write as honest reporting.

Your inability to answer direct questions is suspicious.

[jdaewoo]

Your inability to answer direct questions is suspicious.

You've never asked a direct question on this forum you ignorant cunt. All you ask are cunty pseudo rhetorical questions that you think make you clever. But they don't. They make you a cunt.

You cunt.

[Rob.Singer]

Ok Belly, I have tried yet again to treat you like a normal person when you are nothing but a troll and want nothing but to troll and play games. Back on ignore you go (on both forums). But before I again ignore you I will post this message on both forums, here and GF.

No one is required to prove anything on these forums under normal circumstances. I have shared my journey for years, including my results as I have gone through them, including some pretty negative runs and bad periods as well as the good. I call it the "good, the bad and the ugly". That is what blackjack card counting advantage play is....high variance, winning and losing periods. A rollercoaster. I have seen no one share the good and bad as accurately as I do. Maybe the closest is ZenKing, but he only shares the bad runs which is kind of weird. When he is winning, not a peep out of him.

Anyway, people are free to believe my journey or not. But here is the thing....the math works! Before covid (before 2020), I played 60-70 thousand rounds of blackjack a year at an average advantage of about $1.25 round. A little more for double deck play, closer to $1.00/rd for 6 deck play. Do the math. That is roughly $80,000 a year and that is almost exactly what I have averaged over the years.

Now 2020 and 2021 the numbers are different. I have been playing higher stakes because I am able to get away with it during covid with the masks and other things. So I have been playing fewer rounds at a higher average per round, for roughly the same expected value. It is all about the math and playing with an advantage, slight as it is for card counting. So there is no reason for me to prove anything to you. The math works and I am not on trial. You and everyone can believe or not believe.

So here is the point where we get to Singer, Mdawg and a few others. They make claims that the math doesn't work. There is no math that explains 100's of thousands of dollars winning playing -EV. So I said earlier "under normal circumstances". Well when the math doesn't work and your claims defy the math, I believe you should explain yourself. Still no one is on trial so I don't demand it, but if you want people to believe claims that defy math, you should explain it. Of course these people don't because they can't. They come up with weird stuff like "special plays" and stop limits and gut feelings about betting up into a streak, all voodoo nonsense by the way.

So no I will prove nothing to you. The math works and explains what I do. If that is not good enough for you or anybody, that is really YOUR problem, not mine.

Now anybody publicly questioning me or anyone else, they should be the one to prove my claims false. To prove I don't play blackjack for a living, don't make what I claim, don't live where I say. And the funniest thing: a couple of these guys just did investigate and try to disprove what I claim and ended up proving the opposite that I am exactly who I say and live where I described in a nice condo. Having proved my case, they now are contradicting their own findings and investigation. Weird...just weird.

So if I wanted to troll you like you do me and others I could post "prove it", "prove it" after every single thing you say. But that is not the way it works. If the math works and the claims reasonable and backed by math, no one is required to prove anything.

So you should be asking for proof from the people who's claims defy math and defy how things work, but oddly, you defend them or stay silent. Why? Because it is all about the troll for you. That's all. You are dishonest and a troll. So back to ignore you go where you belong and most members have you.

The problem with your "AP" claim of "I'm winning because I play according to the math, and that's what the math says I should be doing" as just another of your lame excuses about why you can't/won't prove what you claim about yourself, is that a true AP requires he/she NOT be a stupid shit or dumb as a bag of rocks....and, they need to possess a decent amount of intelligence upstairs. You are the antithesis of all that--lock, stock, and barrel. I suppose those crossed wired do come into play here.

It's clear why kew puts so much value into Dan Druff's emotional rants about everything I say. His problem stems from my opinions that he is either too broke or too selfish to get married and have his own kids (although he successfully skirted by those years) and that his numerous health issues stem from his sedentary lifestyle and penchant for sitting for hour after hour at computers playing online games and in those wonderful California flake poker rooms.

Very likely no one else here has ever purchased anything with over a million dollars cash-- or even know anyone who has (except, of course, for redietz, who always refers to a "colleague" or a"relative" that has some obscure relationship to basically any issue. With a vehicle (RV in this case) purchase, you are required to make and sign a statement identifying where the cash came from and how you got it. I stated it I won it ALL gambling, because I had the W2G's and the tax returns to back '04-'09 up.

It's not surprising that most don't understand or want to believe how I've dispersed a great deal of our retirement savings into various homes in our children's names. For one thing, you're too stupid to understand the benefit for them when we pass on. For another, most of you don't have or will ever have the resources where what happens to whatever you leave behind will much matter. Kew, you're keen of saying people HAVE to believe you win because you're an AP. Well, get that whole story right--people HAVE to believe me because I retired an aerospace industry executive after working a lucrative job (with a much greater income than normal because of certain aspects) in the federal government. And guess what--my watch collection is worth more than everything you own. That, I know. Maybe my gun collection is as well. I'm no MDawg, but I ain't you, red, max, Druff etc. Or perhaps I am, if you add them all up.

Go back and re-read when kew and max were given the opportunity to come over to see the Newell. Kew likes to re-write history. When I posted the ad, the address to come to in Gilbert, and the times I'd be available, there were zero stipulations. Just be here. But after they started coming up with excuses not to come over, I punished max with the requirement to show an id. That was a moot point anyway, because my nephew would have gotten it regardless.

Wise up people. And get over the P-A-I-N you've felt and obviously continue to experience, from my making a bundle on the DU play. Oh...who the shit cares who kew is or where he lives. Do YOU want to visit him and watch him, baby bro, and some live-in half-cooked freak jerking each other off?

You people have NO idea....the fun is in seeing critics cringe at the truth, then react.

[Keystone]

Your inability to answer direct questions is suspicious.

You've never asked a direct question on this forum you ignorant cunt. All you ask are cunty pseudo rhetorical questions that you think make you clever. But they don't. They make you a cunt.

You cunt.

LOL

[MaxPen]

Ok Belly, I have tried yet again to treat you like a normal person when you are nothing but a troll and want nothing but to troll and play games. Back on ignore you go (on both forums). But before I again ignore you I will post this message on both forums, here and GF.

No one is required to prove anything on these forums under normal circumstances. I have shared my journey for years, including my results as I have gone through them, including some pretty negative runs and bad periods as well as the good. I call it the "good, the bad and the ugly". That is what blackjack card counting advantage play is....high variance, winning and losing periods. A rollercoaster. I have seen no one share the good and bad as accurately as I do. Maybe the closest is ZenKing, but he only shares the bad runs which is kind of weird. When he is winning, not a peep out of him.

Anyway, people are free to believe my journey or not. But here is the thing....the math works! Before covid (before 2020), I played 60-70 thousand rounds of blackjack a year at an average advantage of about $1.25 round. A little more for double deck play, closer to $1.00/rd for 6 deck play. Do the math. That is roughly $80,000 a year and that is almost exactly what I have averaged over the years.

Now 2020 and 2021 the numbers are different. I have been playing higher stakes because I am able to get away with it during covid with the masks and other things. So I have been playing fewer rounds at a higher average per round, for roughly the same expected value. It is all about the math and playing with an advantage, slight as it is for card counting. So there is no reason for me to prove anything to you. The math works and I am not on trial. You and everyone can believe or not believe.

So here is the point where we get to Singer, Mdawg and a few others. They make claims that the math doesn't work. There is no math that explains 100's of thousands of dollars winning playing -EV. So I said earlier "under normal circumstances". Well when the math doesn't work and your claims defy the math, I believe you should explain yourself. Still no one is on trial so I don't demand it, but if you want people to believe claims that defy math, you should explain it. Of course these people don't because they can't. They come up with weird stuff like "special plays" and stop limits and gut feelings about betting up into a streak, all voodoo nonsense by the way.

So no I will prove nothing to you. The math works and explains what I do. If that is not good enough for you or anybody, that is really YOUR problem, not mine.

Now anybody publicly questioning me or anyone else, they should be the one to prove my claims false. To prove I don't play blackjack for a living, don't make what I claim, don't live where I say. And the funniest thing: a couple of these guys just did investigate and try to disprove what I claim and ended up proving the opposite that I am exactly who I say and live where I described in a nice condo. Having proved my case, they now are contradicting their own findings and investigation. Weird...just weird.

So if I wanted to troll you like you do me and others I could post "prove it", "prove it" after every single thing you say. But that is not the way it works. If the math works and the claims reasonable and backed by math, no one is required to prove anything.

So you should be asking for proof from the people who's claims defy math and defy how things work, but oddly, you defend them or stay silent. Why? Because it is all about the troll for you. That's all. You are dishonest and a troll. So back to ignore you go where you belong and most members have you.

The problem with your "AP" claim of "I'm winning because I play according to the math, and that's what the math says I should be doing" as just another of your lame excuses about why you can't/won't prove what you claim about yourself, is that a true AP requires he/she NOT be a stupid shit or dumb as a bag of rocks....and, they need to possess a decent amount of intelligence upstairs. You are the antithesis of all that--lock, stock, and barrel. I suppose those crossed wired do come into play here.

It's clear why kew puts so much value into Dan Druff's emotional rants about everything I say. His problem stems from my opinions that he is either too broke or too selfish to get married and have his own kids (although he successfully skirted by those years) and that his numerous health issues stem from his sedentary lifestyle and penchant for sitting for hour after hour at computers playing online games and in those wonderful California flake poker rooms.

Very likely no one else here has ever purchased anything with over a million dollars cash-- or even know anyone who has (except, of course, for redietz, who always refers to a "colleague" or a"relative" that has some obscure relationship to basically any issue. With a vehicle (RV in this case) purchase, you are required to make and sign a statement identifying where the cash came from and how you got it. I stated it I won it ALL gambling, because I had the W2G's and the tax returns to back '04-'09 up.

It's not surprising that most don't understand or want to believe how I've dispersed a great deal of our retirement savings into various homes in our children's names. For one thing, you're too stupid to understand the benefit for them when we pass on. For another, most of you don't have or will ever have the resources where what happens to whatever you leave behind will much matter. Kew, you're keen of saying people HAVE to believe you win because you're an AP. Well, get that whole story right--people HAVE to believe me because I retired an aerospace industry executive after working a lucrative job (with a much greater income than normal because of certain aspects) in the federal government. And guess what--my watch collection is worth more than everything you own. That, I know. Maybe my gun collection is as well. I'm no MDawg, but I ain't you, red, max, Druff etc. Or perhaps I am, if you add them all up.

Go back and re-read when kew and max were given the opportunity to come over to see the Newell. Kew likes to re-write history. When I posted the ad, the address to come to in Gilbert, and the times I'd be available, there were zero stipulations. Just be here. But after they started coming up with excuses not to come over, I punished max with the requirement to show an id. That was a moot point anyway, because my nephew would have gotten it regardless.

Wise up people. And get over the P-A-I-N you've felt and obviously continue to experience, from my making a bundle on the DU play. Oh...who the shit cares who kew is or where he lives. Do YOU want to visit him and watch him, baby bro, and some live-in half-cooked freak jerking each other off?

You people have NO idea....the fun is in seeing critics cringe at the truth, then react.

Do I have to come off the couch and shut this shit down again?......