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  1. #21
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    If the maximum double up limit is $4000 and you hit a $4000 royal....the double up feature will work.

    $4000 is not higher than $4000, Alan, er, Andrew.
    This topic is a little silly but I do play a game that has the double up feature.
    However, that game will not allow you to double up a lock up.
    I've never tried to double up past a lock up so not sure if it would allow it.
    Doesn't matter though.
    Anyone who was abusing the Double Up Bug wasn't trying to double up to the moon.
    They were hitting something like 800 dollar aces on dollars and switching over to 5 dollar denom and the machine would lock up paying 4000 dollars.
    They moved all around town(s) locking up machines.
    They didn't make a million dollars in one session lol.

  2. #22
    Originally Posted by monet View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    If the maximum double up limit is $4000 and you hit a $4000 royal....the double up feature will work.

    $4000 is not higher than $4000, Alan, er, Andrew.
    This topic is a little silly but I do play a game that has the double up feature.
    However, that game will not allow you to double up a lock up.
    I've never tried to double up past a lock up so not sure if it would allow it.
    Doesn't matter though.
    Anyone who was abusing the Double Up Bug wasn't trying to double up to the moon.
    They were hitting something like 800 dollar aces on dollars and switching over to 5 dollar denom and the machine would lock up paying 4000 dollars.
    They moved all around town(s) locking up machines.
    They didn't make a million dollars in one session lol.
    Alan, per the usual, has his facts all tangled up. I've forgotten all the details but IIRC, the hand was never doubled. It was just the route one went to turn a $400 hand into a $4000 hand. It somehow allowed the final hand to be switched to a higher denom because....with the DU activated the hand wasn't over yet.
    maxpen is the shit stain in the underwear of life.

  3. #23
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Alan, per the usual, has his facts all tangled up. I've forgotten all the details but IIRC, the hand was never doubled. It was just the route one went to turn a $400 hand into a $4000 hand. It somehow allowed the final hand to be switched to a higher denom because....with the DU activated the hand wasn't over yet.
    Here is a question I have mickey and please I want to take the question out of the 'whether Singer played the double up or not' arena and just make it a general question about the double up for anyone who might have discovered it and played it.

    So even in my limited VP play, I have had numerous times that a machine malfunctioned, things like I held 4 oak and one the draw one disappeared. So you call an attendant over and they open up the machine and they can see what the original hand was pre-draw. And in each of my cases have paid me, which is not the point.

    So if that information is available, wouldn't the denomination information ALSO be available for the hand played in question? Wouldn't somebody be able to see that the denomination was changed? And I don't think it would take opening up the machine to have that information. It is computers, that same info would be available to someone upstairs without opening the machine.

  4. #24
    Even if the double up limit was $8000 it would take 187 double ups to amass $1.5-million.

    How ironic that Mr Mickeycrimm pointed out that the double up bug allowed the felon to change the denomination. Instead, Mr Singer omitted this but said it is well known that the double up limit was $8000

    Well, if it is so well known please remind us of just one casino where the limit was $8000 so that I can call them to verify.

    By the way, those who really exploited the double up bug were caught and prosecuted.

    I have a feeling Mr Kewlj is on to something about machine computers recording bets and denominations. After all machines are opened to view the coin handle each night. The casinos can easily see payouts that are too big for the denomination played.

    More holes in a sinking ship.

  5. #25
    Originally Posted by AndrewG View Post
    Even if the double up limit was $8000 it would take 187 double ups to amass $1.5-million.

    How ironic that Mr Mickeycrimm pointed out that the double up bug allowed the felon to change the denomination. Instead, Mr Singer omitted this but said it is well known that the double up limit was $8000

    Well, if it is so well known please remind us of just one casino where the limit was $8000 so that I can call them to verify.

    By the way, those who really exploited the double up bug were caught and prosecuted.

    I have a feeling Mr Kewlj is on to something about machine computers recording bets and denominations. After all machines are opened to view the coin handle each night. The casinos can easily see payouts that are too big for the denomination played.

    More holes in a sinking ship.
    Andrew, I don't see the need to reopen this. No one challenged Rob's ridiculous claim (that he stole) more than I, but even I am satisfied that it has been thoroughly debunked. And that is why Rob isn't around anymore except the occasional appearance to remind us all how bitter and angry he is with his life.

    I would just let it go, but if you feel you must press on, your numbers aren't correct. Rob has thrown so many 7 digit numbers around for his various claims, I know it is hard to keep them all straight, but with the double up claim, he claims to have made 2.8 million over 5 years if I am not mistaken. The 1.5 million, was his original Singer progression system claim, which he later amended. And of course, not to be confused with his 1.6 million dollar purchase of a Newell RV, so I am not surprised you got a little mixed up.

    But none of these things occured and everyone knows it, and Rob now knows that everyone knows it, so just let it go.

  6. #26
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by AndrewG View Post
    Even if the double up limit was $8000 it would take 187 double ups to amass $1.5-million.

    How ironic that Mr Mickeycrimm pointed out that the double up bug allowed the felon to change the denomination. Instead, Mr Singer omitted this but said it is well known that the double up limit was $8000

    Well, if it is so well known please remind us of just one casino where the limit was $8000 so that I can call them to verify.

    By the way, those who really exploited the double up bug were caught and prosecuted.

    I have a feeling Mr Kewlj is on to something about machine computers recording bets and denominations. After all machines are opened to view the coin handle each night. The casinos can easily see payouts that are too big for the denomination played.

    More holes in a sinking ship.
    Andrew, I don't see the need to reopen this. No one challenged Rob's ridiculous claim (that he stole) more than I, but even I am satisfied that it has been thoroughly debunked. And that is why Rob isn't around anymore except the occasional appearance to remind us all how bitter and angry he is with his life.

    I would just let it go, but if you feel you must press on, your numbers aren't correct. Rob has thrown so many 7 digit numbers around for his various claims, I know it is hard to keep them all straight, but with the double up claim, he claims to have made 2.8 million over 5 years if I am not mistaken. The 1.5 million, was his original Singer progression system claim, which he later amended. And of course, not to be confused with his 1.6 million dollar purchase of a Newell RV, so I am not surprised you got a little mixed up.

    But none of these things occured and everyone knows it, and Rob now knows that everyone knows it, so just let it go.
    Yep Alan is beating a dead horse. Possibly 1 or 2 people believe the Newell claims from reading on here, but almost everyone just feels sorta sad for this Rob Singer character.. It has been humorous at times, but there becomes a time when you just let it go. Rob definitely fits in the 'just him him be' category.
    God bless this forum. You people are precious.

  7. #27
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Alan, per the usual, has his facts all tangled up. I've forgotten all the details but IIRC, the hand was never doubled. It was just the route one went to turn a $400 hand into a $4000 hand. It somehow allowed the final hand to be switched to a higher denom because....with the DU activated the hand wasn't over yet.
    Here is a question I have mickey and please I want to take the question out of the 'whether Singer played the double up or not' arena and just make it a general question about the double up for anyone who might have discovered it and played it.

    So even in my limited VP play, I have had numerous times that a machine malfunctioned, things like I held 4 oak and one the draw one disappeared. So you call an attendant over and they open up the machine and they can see what the original hand was pre-draw. And in each of my cases have paid me, which is not the point.

    So if that information is available, wouldn't the denomination information ALSO be available for the hand played in question? Wouldn't somebody be able to see that the denomination was changed? And I don't think it would take opening up the machine to have that information. It is computers, that same info would be available to someone upstairs without opening the machine.
    I have no idea. It's something I never thought about.
    maxpen is the shit stain in the underwear of life.

  8. #28
    Originally Posted by AndrewG View Post
    Even if the double up limit was $8000 it would take 187 double ups to amass $1.5-million.

    How ironic that Mr Mickeycrimm pointed out that the double up bug allowed the felon to change the denomination. Instead, Mr Singer omitted this but said it is well known that the double up limit was $8000

    Well, if it is so well known please remind us of just one casino where the limit was $8000 so that I can call them to verify.

    By the way, those who really exploited the double up bug were caught and prosecuted.

    I have a feeling Mr Kewlj is on to something about machine computers recording bets and denominations. After all machines are opened to view the coin handle each night. The casinos can easily see payouts that are too big for the denomination played.

    More holes in a sinking ship.
    Alan, normally, a hand is over after you draw cards. But when the double up feature is activated the hand is not over with yet even though you have drawn cards. Because you get to decide whether to gamble on the double or not. That allowed a way to change the denomination on the hand. The double up feature is never actually played.

    In short, you hit 4 Aces playing $1 8/5 Bonus Poker (pays $400) but switch it up to $10 denom and it pays $4000. There is no doubling up going on, just switching denoms.

    And those who were caught and prosecuted were so stupid in the way they did it that they deserved to be caught and prosecuted.
    maxpen is the shit stain in the underwear of life.

  9. #29
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    In short, you hit 4 Aces playing $1 8/5 Bonus Poker (pays $400) but switch it up to $10 denom and it pays $4000. There is no doubling up going on, just switching denoms.

    And those who were caught and prosecuted were so stupid in the way they did it that they deserved to be caught and prosecuted.
    Mr Kewlj is spot on. This would stick out like a ten inch cock.

    Cash in would never match up with the hands played.

  10. #30
    Originally Posted by AndrewG View Post
    Mr Kewlj is spot on. This would stick out like a ten inch cock.

    Cash in would never match up with the hands played.
    You're suppose to be the lawyer for the biggest degenerate VP player on this site. This is the type of forum bullshitting nonsense you could expect here.

    RUN MEMBERS RUN

  11. #31
    I'm not a lawyer and never said I was. This is just another of your inaccurate statements Mr Blackhole.

    Take notice members. Take notice.

  12. #32
    Originally Posted by AndrewG View Post
    I'm not a lawyer...
    Of course you aren't. You're a D list journalist.

  13. #33
    Originally Posted by AndrewG View Post
    I'm not a lawyer and never said I was. This is just another of your inaccurate statements Mr Blackhole.

    Take notice members. Take notice.
    Yes, it may have been an inaccurate statement, yet, I could have sworn you said that in the past. It’s comforting to know you’re not a lawyer. Imagine what after-births clients had to go through? Now another lawyer like him? Thank – God.

    One thing that’s not inaccurate is you’re a complete fucking lying fraud ALAN

  14. #34
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    Originally Posted by AndrewG View Post
    I'm not a lawyer...
    Of course you aren't. You're a D list journalist.

    As an old journalism major, I'd have to say Alan Mendelson (as opposed to AndrewG) would be considered, at minimum, a B+ list journalist. Given the intense competition in the field, any journalist would be more than happy to have had Mendelson's bona fides. This is partly why it was so disturbing to me when he originally bought into the "Singer" storylines back in the day.

    Anyway, this is a reasonable, balanced story regarding him.

    https://labusinessjournal.com/news/2...20/news-break/

  15. #35
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Alan, per the usual, has his facts all tangled up. I've forgotten all the details but IIRC, the hand was never doubled. It was just the route one went to turn a $400 hand into a $4000 hand. It somehow allowed the final hand to be switched to a higher denom because....with the DU activated the hand wasn't over yet.
    Here is a question I have mickey and please I want to take the question out of the 'whether Singer played the double up or not' arena and just make it a general question about the double up for anyone who might have discovered it and played it.

    So even in my limited VP play, I have had numerous times that a machine malfunctioned, things like I held 4 oak and one the draw one disappeared. So you call an attendant over and they open up the machine and they can see what the original hand was pre-draw. And in each of my cases have paid me, which is not the point.

    So if that information is available, wouldn't the denomination information ALSO be available for the hand played in question? Wouldn't somebody be able to see that the denomination was changed? And I don't think it would take opening up the machine to have that information. It is computers, that same info would be available to someone upstairs without opening the machine.
    I have no idea. It's something I never thought about.
    Speculating, but the whole issue of the bug was the machine thinking the hand was played at the higher denomination for the entire hand, assuming if the bug existed when the machine paid, probably also carried over to the reporting too where the reporting would show a normal hand starting from the same denomination it was paid at even tho that is incorrect.

    From what i recall of the original story of the guys who got caught doing this, it took a long time to catch them so I would assume that means the reports showed nothing unusual.

  16. #36
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    Originally Posted by AndrewG View Post
    I'm not a lawyer...
    Of course you aren't. You're a D list journalist.

    As an old journalism major, I'd have to say Alan Mendelson (as opposed to AndrewG) would be considered, at minimum, a B+ list journalist. Given the intense competition in the field, any journalist would be more than happy to have had Mendelson's bona fides. This is partly why it was so disturbing to me when he originally bought into the "Singer" storylines back in the day.

    Anyway, this is a reasonable, balanced story regarding him.

    https://labusinessjournal.com/news/2...20/news-break/
    I was in the middle of the Singer/Mendelson posts and actually Alan never bought into the strategy and was at odds with Rob most of the time. He posted the strategy for viewer's opinions and the feedback was the beginning of the forum's decline to name calling on both sides. Apparently stirring up hatred outweighs all other topics. Dan gave me the best advice when I asked to be removed- just stay off the forum.

  17. #37
    Originally Posted by AndrewG View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    In short, you hit 4 Aces playing $1 8/5 Bonus Poker (pays $400) but switch it up to $10 denom and it pays $4000. There is no doubling up going on, just switching denoms.

    And those who were caught and prosecuted were so stupid in the way they did it that they deserved to be caught and prosecuted.
    Mr Kewlj is spot on. This would stick out like a ten inch cock.

    Cash in would never match up with the hands played.
    It's a handpay, not a cashout. I've taken a lot of handpays and I've never had anyone go in the machine and see if there were any shenanigans going on. Alan, this was a glitch that IGT didn't know about until the two idiots were caught. No one would have thought to look for denom switching. It was never thought possible.

    If a machine is hemorraging money for an extended period of time they are going to take a look at it. That's how the idiots got caught. But they had to explain to the IGT techs how they were doing it. IGT didn't know.
    maxpen is the shit stain in the underwear of life.

  18. #38
    Is there any video showing exactly this happening? Not necessarily those 2 guys, but a video showing and explaining how it was done.

  19. #39
    I suspect you Mr Mickeycrimm and others have never been in a casino when slot personnel open machines to check records for coin in, plays and other data used for accounting. It wouldn't take long for red flags to pop up.

    This doesn't mean that a double up bug would be suspected. But it certainly points to a problem.

    It wouldn't surprise me if this data could be used to determine the actual theft.

    Still waiting for at least one casino with the $8000 limit.

  20. #40
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Alan, per the usual, has his facts all tangled up. I've forgotten all the details but IIRC, the hand was never doubled. It was just the route one went to turn a $400 hand into a $4000 hand. It somehow allowed the final hand to be switched to a higher denom because....with the DU activated the hand wasn't over yet.
    Here is a question I have mickey and please I want to take the question out of the 'whether Singer played the double up or not' arena and just make it a general question about the double up for anyone who might have discovered it and played it.

    So even in my limited VP play, I have had numerous times that a machine malfunctioned, things like I held 4 oak and one the draw one disappeared. So you call an attendant over and they open up the machine and they can see what the original hand was pre-draw. And in each of my cases have paid me, which is not the point.

    So if that information is available, wouldn't the denomination information ALSO be available for the hand played in question? Wouldn't somebody be able to see that the denomination was changed? And I don't think it would take opening up the machine to have that information. It is computers, that same info would be available to someone upstairs without opening the machine.
    I have no idea. It's something I never thought about.
    Leave it to Alan to be still totally confused about how John Kane and myself made money on the DU play. No matter how many times he's told that there is no doubling up of your winning hands, the extraordinary level of his density does not allow him to process that simple fact. We are once again in the two dice problem arena with him. Arguing for the sake of arguing.

    jbjb, there is no video of how the play works. Even the guys upstairs who watched Kane make a fool of himself by using the same winning hand more than once--and even after they watched the videos of him doing this multiple times--no one at the Silverton could begin to explain the process to IGT or the authorities. It took a young computer geek several hours to figure it out at the IGT lab....and he had the tapes to boot.

    Harrah's LV, TI, and Virgin River have all told me their DU limit was $8000, and Harrah's said it's pretty standard but not required. That was in the 2000's. My belief from asking for DU to be turned on and being rejected at quite a few casinos (while some have it turned on regardless) since 2010 is that things are a bit different today. But I'm sure they'll be happy to field questions from a washed-up California Flake reporter/shopping network straggler.

    The machine menu when opened up gives info on the last few hands as well as lots of statistical information, but it does not identify the denomination played. Save your SS money this month (if it's not too late) and go purchase a 2000+ generation vp machine. That way all these stupid topics you bring up just to fulfill your incessant need to argue, can be cut off at the pass on your own time.

    And once again, no one would ever be successful for very long playing the DU glitch on smaller wins. You would easily be noticed, eventually, by a neighbor or nosey passer by---or simply by some slot attendant watching your unusual amount of motions. One w2g winner per casino w/o dicking around with a bunch of smaller winning hands. That's it. Experienced vp players who get multiple signers at a single machine know security doesn't care a bit about what they're doing because getting winners is normal. Even Kane and his bozo friend never garnered a second look on all their w2g's and shannanigans until someone upstairs got curious after several hours. Hitting just one and moving on to the next casino adds another level of safety to the task. Talking about it and not playing it adds up to more ignorance than anything else.
    Last edited by Rob.Singer; 06-14-2021 at 02:43 PM.

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