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  1. #1
    This was posted to Facebook by a woman who was upset about a likely multipler-run-up scam, which took place at Planet Hollywood:

    I have contemplated posting this for over a week now.

    Last week we were in Vegas and I was approached by this older man around our same age, who came out of nowhere telling me his wife had to go to a business dinner and she had 31 free games to finish, she called him down from the room so he asked if I wanted them. I was sitting alone, my husband had gotten up from the machine next to me. I was up about $400 on the machine I was on. I really wasn't sure what was going on it actually caught me off guard and I was starting to lose so I figured what the heck but I told him I had to tell my husband.

    Everything seemed harmless, we cashed out, he walked us over to a video poker game. He told me he was there the weekend of the Route 91 mass shooting and I told him I was shot in the shooting. We got to the machine, an ultimate Double-Double Poker Deuces Wild, he said he had 31 ultimate Games. There was $0.36 in the machine. He started to show us where the games were and how to play it but the machine wouldn't work because it had no money.

    My husband put in $20 then another $20. The guy ended up playing the machine with our players card along with my husband's and then my money. He never left so I don't know why he sought me out. He was hitting the hold draw so fast I couldn't keep up with all the hands that we're being played. We won, we lost then I put more money in and he raised the bet. We were stunned. We were up almost $900 and suddenly we were at $40 then I said I'm done, so were 31 games.

    He didn't ask for anything he said he would be in the same area of Planet Hollywood all week. We are not sure if he was a bad con artist, expected to use our money then want to split it or it was a pick-up line and he didn't expect my husband. We are not sure what it was all about but I've never heard any con like that and as I said we still are trying to figure it out so I would love to know your thoughts and maybe a warning to others.

    Some theorized that the guy was hoping to run up a lot of money, then cash out and claim it was his money, because of the casino rule that the person hitting the button is the winner of the money.

    However, I countered that this wouldn't be so easy to pull off. This is true if two people are playing together and one presses the button to hit a jackpot. However, if this is a targeted scam seeking to take advantage of a stranger like this, the victim could complain and would have some recourse. Additionally, the scammer would likely be barred after the security camera would show this was the case.

    I believe this was an Utlimate X run-up scam. Dude convinces unsuspecting ploppies to switch to an Ultimate X machine and let him play for them. He plays super fast so they can't see all the multipliers he's running up and then switching games/denominations and leaving for himself to clear later. The unsuspecting ploppy doesn't understand what he gets out of the whole thing, as he lets the person cash out, and doesn't ask for a penny, even if they win.

    What do you guys think?
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  2. #2
    Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    This was posted to Facebook by a woman who was upset about a likely multipler-run-up scam, which took place at Planet Hollywood:

    I have contemplated posting this for over a week now.

    Last week we were in Vegas and I was approached by this older man around our same age, who came out of nowhere telling me his wife had to go to a business dinner and she had 31 free games to finish, she called him down from the room so he asked if I wanted them. I was sitting alone, my husband had gotten up from the machine next to me. I was up about $400 on the machine I was on. I really wasn't sure what was going on it actually caught me off guard and I was starting to lose so I figured what the heck but I told him I had to tell my husband.

    Everything seemed harmless, we cashed out, he walked us over to a video poker game. He told me he was there the weekend of the Route 91 mass shooting and I told him I was shot in the shooting. We got to the machine, an ultimate Double-Double Poker Deuces Wild, he said he had 31 ultimate Games. There was $0.36 in the machine. He started to show us where the games were and how to play it but the machine wouldn't work because it had no money.

    My husband put in $20 then another $20. The guy ended up playing the machine with our players card along with my husband's and then my money. He never left so I don't know why he sought me out. He was hitting the hold draw so fast I couldn't keep up with all the hands that we're being played. We won, we lost then I put more money in and he raised the bet. We were stunned. We were up almost $900 and suddenly we were at $40 then I said I'm done, so were 31 games.

    He didn't ask for anything he said he would be in the same area of Planet Hollywood all week. We are not sure if he was a bad con artist, expected to use our money then want to split it or it was a pick-up line and he didn't expect my husband. We are not sure what it was all about but I've never heard any con like that and as I said we still are trying to figure it out so I would love to know your thoughts and maybe a warning to others.

    Some theorized that the guy was hoping to run up a lot of money, then cash out and claim it was his money, because of the casino rule that the person hitting the button is the winner of the money.

    However, I countered that this wouldn't be so easy to pull off. This is true if two people are playing together and one presses the button to hit a jackpot. However, if this is a targeted scam seeking to take advantage of a stranger like this, the victim could complain and would have some recourse. Additionally, the scammer would likely be barred after the security camera would show this was the case.

    I believe this was an Utlimate X run-up scam. Dude convinces unsuspecting ploppies to switch to an Ultimate X machine and let him play for them. He plays super fast so they can't see all the multipliers he's running up and then switching games/denominations and leaving for himself to clear later. The unsuspecting ploppy doesn't understand what he gets out of the whole thing, as he lets the person cash out, and doesn't ask for a penny, even if they win.

    What do you guys think?
    I have a feeling that the Man was going to beg for money for giving them a "Hot tip," had they not LOST that big money they were up. Going from being up almost $900, to only having about $40, OUCH. I read something similar to what I am saying. A guy said he was Gambling at one Slot, and some random Guy claimed that People had been getting paid REALLY well on another Slot and the Mark should try out the new Game.

    In the Case of the Ultimate X Scam, the Scammer tries to get the Mark to leave a bunch of Multipliers, by claiming that there is another "Hot Machine," the Mark falls for the Scam, leaves to go on the "Hot machine," and the Scammer plays the Multipliers for himself, and wins big while the Mark probably loses his money on the "Hot," machine he was tricked into going to.

    But this case I am talking about wasn't The Ultimate X Scam. The case I am talking about, the Mark went to the "Hot Machine," the Random Guy claimed People had kept getting paid well on constantly that day. The Mark ended up winning big, just like the Random Guy had said had been happening constantly that day. The Random Guy demanded a cut of the Mark's money for leading him to a hot Machine that ended up paying him well. The Mark had used his own money in that "Hot Machine." The Mark told him to "Fuck off," and refused to give him a cut of his Winnings. The Random Guy begun cussing him out loudly calling him an ungrateful Bastard. Security had to come and escort the Random Guy out for Harrassment. So, I believe the guy in your OP was going to beg for a cut of the Couple's Winnings had they not lost the Winnings back....
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  3. #3
    He keeps building multipliers until the money is gone or the mark cries uncle and quits. This is very common. She definitely ran into a creator.
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  4. #4
    I think I saw this guy at PH about three years. Same set up, UX, lady and the guy, he does a lot of explaining and moving around different pay tables and levels.
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  5. #5
    It was a creator. Tasha is a glucking moron with the reply as usual

  6. #6
    Originally Posted by Advantageplay View Post
    It was a creator. Tasha is a glucking moron with the reply as usual

    Could someone please define "creator" for me, and let me know when this became a term? I'm unfamiliar with this particular jargon.

    Is it like when we use the term "traveler" for scam artists who travel various circuits? They originate in North Carolina for the most part, and have an actual small "town" or two, but they can be found everywhere. In my youth, in the north, we referred to them as "gypsies."

  7. #7
    It’s a term specifically used for banking slot machines or ultimate x machines scumbags/scammers red, more narrow scope. Max described it as it is. Replace the term building with creating, hence the term.

  8. #8
    Originally Posted by mcap View Post
    It’s a term specifically used for banking slot machines or ultimate x machines scumbags/scammers red, more narrow scope. Max described it as it is. Replace the term building with creating, hence the term.

    Thanks. Much appreciated.

  9. #9
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Originally Posted by mcap View Post
    It’s a term specifically used for banking slot machines or ultimate x machines scumbags/scammers red, more narrow scope. Max described it as it is. Replace the term building with creating, hence the term.

    Thanks. Much appreciated.
    Read what I wrote about the most famous creator back in the day, Nick the Sick, in this thread a few years ago:

    Read post #12

    https://vegascasinotalk.com/forum/sh...ong-Arm-Remova
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  10. #10
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Originally Posted by mcap View Post
    It’s a term specifically used for banking slot machines or ultimate x machines scumbags/scammers red, more narrow scope. Max described it as it is. Replace the term building with creating, hence the term.

    Thanks. Much appreciated.
    Read what I wrote about the most famous creator back in the day, Nick the Sick, in this thread a few years ago:

    Read post #12

    https://vegascasinotalk.com/forum/sh...ong-Arm-Remova

    Will do. Thanks!

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