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  1. #21
    Originally Posted by monet View Post
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    $2 or $3 is plenty even if it costs $200.
    lol... we just won another 150k out there hole carding but Fuck You Restaurant Server... I'm only tipping 3 dollars on this 200 dollar comp!
    And that was the 3 dollars I worked hard for as I had to push an old lady over to vulture the NICKEL Ultimate X machines!!
    Fuck with my food and there will be dire consequences!

    P.S. I rarely eat at sit in restaurants so it's a mute point.

  2. #22
    Funny how things change. For years on forums--decades really--I was ridiculed and chided and badmouthed (all of which have always been irrelevant to me regardless of the issues) for saying I NEVER tip on handpays or at the cages. Floor attendants are just doing their jobs and not anything I've specifically asked them to do. But it's not the higher-end handpays for $5-$25 royals etc. where I've experienced sarcasm and dirty looks for not handing over some of my jackpot. It's the $1200 signers and the places that pay all slot machine wins over $400 or $800 and such that have these "tip-entitled" employees who whine and moan. And I don't tip bank clerks, so what kind of weakass idiot is intimidated into tipping at the cage?

    Restaurant tipping (customary) it seems has changed in the past 15 years or so. I used to stick to 15% but especially in recent years I leave 20%-25%, depending on service of course. At bars, it's usually a buck a drink, even if I'm buying them.

    Nothing good ever comes out of people who tip-shame or vice-versa. Just use common sense and it's all good.

  3. #23
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Funny how things change. For years on forums--decades really--I was ridiculed and chided and badmouthed (all of which have always been irrelevant to me regardless of the issues) for saying I NEVER tip on handpays or at the cages. Floor attendants are just doing their jobs and not anything I've specifically asked them to do. But it's not the higher-end handpays for $5-$25 royals etc. where I've experienced sarcasm and dirty looks for not handing over some of my jackpot. It's the $1200 signers and the places that pay all slot machine wins over $400 or $800 and such that have these "tip-entitled" employees who whine and moan. And I don't tip bank clerks, so what kind of weakass idiot is intimidated into tipping at the cage?

    Restaurant tipping (customary) it seems has changed in the past 15 years or so. I used to stick to 15% but especially in recent years I leave 20%-25%, depending on service of course. At bars, it's usually a buck a drink, even if I'm buying them.

    Nothing good ever comes out of people who tip-shame or vice-versa. Just use common sense and it's all good.
    Rob I'm surprised that a slug like you is not a complete stiff. I can't envision you tipping anybody

  4. #24
    Originally Posted by Ozzy View Post
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Funny how things change. For years on forums--decades really--I was ridiculed and chided and badmouthed (all of which have always been irrelevant to me regardless of the issues) for saying I NEVER tip on handpays or at the cages. Floor attendants are just doing their jobs and not anything I've specifically asked them to do. But it's not the higher-end handpays for $5-$25 royals etc. where I've experienced sarcasm and dirty looks for not handing over some of my jackpot. It's the $1200 signers and the places that pay all slot machine wins over $400 or $800 and such that have these "tip-entitled" employees who whine and moan. And I don't tip bank clerks, so what kind of weakass idiot is intimidated into tipping at the cage?

    Restaurant tipping (customary) it seems has changed in the past 15 years or so. I used to stick to 15% but especially in recent years I leave 20%-25%, depending on service of course. At bars, it's usually a buck a drink, even if I'm buying them.

    Nothing good ever comes out of people who tip-shame or vice-versa. Just use common sense and it's all good.
    Rob I'm surprised that a slug like you is not a complete stiff. I can't envision you tipping anybody
    I get it. 99% of everything that is thought of me or said about me is the result of trained, direct, and purposeful spoofing. Which is why none of it has never bothered me.

  5. #25
    I'm not too fond of people who are always stiff, but even much less fond of the people who go around telling everyone else how much and when they should. MYOFB.

    Much of the time it seems like we are tipping the wrong people based on the fact that they make less, therefore we all must make up for that. Tipping is really just a form of charity.



    I tip for many reasons including.

    It's expected.
    I actually want to, expected or not, because, I think the person really deserves it.
    It's advantageous or in your best interest to do so.

  6. #26
    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post
    But if I go and have some $250 comped meal I am not leaving $50. I leave the $20 cap.
    I swear to god I have been at a few dinners, or whatever, with you and others and I mentioned this is along the lines of my thinking and you were one of the people that disagreed with me on this.

  7. #27
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post
    But if I go and have some $250 comped meal I am not leaving $50. I leave the $20 cap.
    I swear to god I have been at a few dinners, or whatever, with you and others and I mentioned this is along the lines of my thinking and you were one of the people that disagreed with me on this.
    Yeah,,, I turned the corner about a year ago. I don't think we have been to a real expensive dinner together lately. At the Aria steakhouse I left $20. But I think my dinner was just under a $100.
    I only tip on handpays now if I am getting something. But I have been doing that about 2 years.

  8. #28
    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post
    But if I go and have some $250 comped meal I am not leaving $50. I leave the $20 cap.
    I swear to god I have been at a few dinners, or whatever, with you and others and I mentioned this is along the lines of my thinking and you were one of the people that disagreed with me on this.
    Yeah,,, I turned the corner about a year ago. I don't think we have been to a real expensive dinner together lately. At the Aria steakhouse I left $20. But I think my dinner was just under a $100.
    I only tip on handpays now if I am getting something. But I have been doing that about 2 years.
    It's good to know you have turned the corner.

    When my wife and I go out for dinner, I think our max tip is like $25. We probably over tip on less expensive meals. Obviously, when I'm with a group of people I do whatever everyone agrees to.


    As far as hand-pays t go, as an AP I think, actually, I know... it's good cover to tip. I would do it regardless for the most part, but there have been some situations where I would rather not but I do it just in case.


    Obviously, if you are playing somthing that isn't that great, somthing where you get frequent than pays they won't be getting tips on each and every hand-pay.

  9. #29
    Axel, what would you tip in this situation brought up by VitalVegas, after a $120k jackpot?

    This woman gave $200, and clearly the attendant was so unhappy that he/she ran and tattled to VitalVegas about it. (It's likely Vital was around because he promotes Circa a lot, and seems to be on property often.)

    So if $200 will get shit talked about you, what amount wouldn't? And if you know the attendant is going to scoff at your tip and tell eveyrone you're a cheap piece of shit, wouldn't you just rather leave 0?
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  10. #30
    Here's a restaurant tipping you might enjoy, which took place in 1997.

    It involved a server who was incredibly rude and confrontational with me (over a trivial matter), and then when I told the couple we were dining with that I wanted to leave zero tip, they were upset about it.

    (The couple agreed, however, that the waitress was awful, and was fully on my side.)

    How would you have handled it?

    Story: https://pokerfraudalert.com/forum/sh...ipping-edition

    Part 2 involving the other couple at the table: https://pokerfraudalert.com/forum/sh...l=1#post826700
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  11. #31
    Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Here's a restaurant tipping you might enjoy, which took place in 1997.

    It involved a server who was incredibly rude and confrontational with me (over a trivial matter), and then when I told the couple we were dining with that I wanted to leave zero tip, they were upset about it.

    (The couple agreed, however, that the waitress was awful, and was fully on my side.)

    How would you have handled it?

    Story: https://pokerfraudalert.com/forum/sh...ipping-edition

    Part 2 involving the other couple at the table: https://pokerfraudalert.com/forum/sh...l=1#post826700
    Big fan of your radio show, your twitter account, and your Pokerfraudalert.com site.

    I say this because I don’t want you to think I’m trolling you, but you might enjoy life more if you just relaxed and let some of this stuff go and laughed it off.

    I used to get really upset about bad service too, getting screwed over by companies etc. Then in a short period of time I had a string of real bad luck, several close family members & friends dying suddenly, laid off from a long term job 3 weeks after closing on a home, my favorite dog of all time dying, (Sorry to hear about yours a couple months back I know the pain), etc. etc.

    After that I realized that small things just aren’t worth getting upset over. Cancer? I’ll get upset over that. Waiter is an A-Hole ? I’ll just laugh it off.

    On the other hand on your show your bad service stories are hysterical, and you are a master of delivery in your telling of these.

    I also vote that you should start doing some type of prank call to a Caesars on every single show.

    From all your stories about Caesars it was hard to believe you were not exaggerating and then you call them about the Rio and they are every bit as idiotic and incompetent as you’ve said.

    Heck you don’t need to even prank call them. Just record your actual calls to them and edit out any private info. That would probably be at least as entertaining if not more so than the prank calls.

    On second thought please ignore my initial advice and please keep sweating every single negative customer service experience you have as long as you keep discussing them in detail on your show. Solid Gold!

  12. #32
    Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Axel, what would you tip in this situation brought up by VitalVegas, after a $120k jackpot?

    This woman gave $200, and clearly the attendant was so unhappy that he/she ran and tattled to VitalVegas about it. (It's likely Vital was around because he promotes Circa a lot, and seems to be on property often.)

    So if $200 will get shit talked about you, what amount wouldn't? And if you know the attendant is going to scoff at your tip and tell eveyrone you're a cheap piece of shit, wouldn't you just rather leave 0?
    It's really hard to say, it depends on the situation, how rare the event is, how big of an advantage I had, what denomination I was playing, and how much I was up or down at the time. For me personally, as an advantage player, I certainly wouldn't want to be too cheap in a place I'll be going back to. Being a good tipper can absolutely help your longevity. Obviously, if upper management wants you out no amount of tipping that will save you.

    Let's just assume I was traveling and happened to find a lower limit UX machine loaded up with multipliers and I was dealt a Royal that added up to 120k, I would probably tip 1k.

    I do think $200 is kinda cheap and I would feel kinda guilty doing so. If people were complaining about a $500 tip, I would tell them to go fuck themselves.

    I do know that tipping zero can sometimes be seen as...He didn't know he was supposed to tip, or he was so excited he forgot, so you are better off tipping zero than some small amount if appearance is a factor.

    P.s. I think Vital Vegas should shut the fuck up about other people's tips.

  13. #33
    In the past, people would say a tip of 15% is expected, 20% or more for exceptional service.

    Today if you tip "only" 15%, it seems some are saying "come on". Why? The 15%/20% expectation from 10 years ago is of course more money for those same servers today. Food and especially drink prices keep going up, ensuring servers don't get screwed by inflation.

    What's with the "expectation creep" and why is there something wrong with people who just don't wan't to get killed by resort fees (that don't get you anything), parking fees and todays 20-25% expectation on tips?
    Last edited by Forum Wars; 08-24-2021 at 08:07 AM.

  14. #34
    Originally Posted by Forum Wars View Post
    In the past, people would say a tip of 15% is expected, 20% or more for exceptional service.

    Today if you tip "only" 15%, it seems some are saying "come on". Why? The 15%/20% expectation from 10 years ago is of course more money for those same servers today. Food and especially drink prices keep going up, ensuring servers don't get screwed by inflation.

    What's with the "expectation creep" and why is there something wrong with people who just don't wan't to get killed by resort fees (that don't get you anything), parking fees and todays 20-25% expectation on tips?
    The state of the restaurant ownership industry. All I’m saying is something is wrong with the structure when service employees and customers are both frequently if not generally unhappy with how things are.

  15. #35
    Originally Posted by Forum Wars View Post
    In the past, people would say a tip of 15% is expected, 20% or more for exceptional service.

    Today if you tip "only" 15%, it seems some are saying "come on". Why? The 15%/20% expectation from 10 years ago is of course more money for those same servers today. Food and especially drink prices keep going up, ensuring servers don't get screwed by inflation.

    What's with the "expectation creep" and why is there something wrong with people who just don't wan't to get killed by resort fees (that don't get you anything), parking fees and todays 20-25% expectation on tips?
    Welcome Forum Wars, good to see you posting over here. You have some great contributions over at the world famous BLOAT thread.

  16. #36
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Axel, what would you tip in this situation brought up by VitalVegas, after a $120k jackpot?

    This woman gave $200, and clearly the attendant was so unhappy that he/she ran and tattled to VitalVegas about it. (It's likely Vital was around because he promotes Circa a lot, and seems to be on property often.)

    So if $200 will get shit talked about you, what amount wouldn't? And if you know the attendant is going to scoff at your tip and tell eveyrone you're a cheap piece of shit, wouldn't you just rather leave 0?
    It's really hard to say, it depends on the situation, how rare the event is, how big of an advantage I had, what denomination I was playing, and how much I was up or down at the time. For me personally, as an advantage player, I certainly wouldn't want to be too cheap in a place I'll be going back to. Being a good tipper can absolutely help your longevity. Obviously, if upper management wants you out no amount of tipping that will save you.

    Let's just assume I was traveling and happened to find a lower limit UX machine loaded up with multipliers and I was dealt a Royal that added up to 120k, I would probably tip 1k.

    I do think $200 is kinda cheap and I would feel kinda guilty doing so. If people were complaining about a $500 tip, I would tell them to go fuck themselves.

    I do know that tipping zero can sometimes be seen as...He didn't know he was supposed to tip, or he was so excited he forgot, so you are better off tipping zero than some small amount if appearance is a factor.

    P.s. I think Vital Vegas should shut the fuck up about other people's tips.
    Under "normal" situations tipping 1000$ is obscene. Looking at the Alex Wolf "big picture" under certain "scenarios" I can see it being warranted on rare occasions. Your choice your money when it's all said and done, you seem to be in the 1% of AP tippers from my observations. Most will tip the least they can " get away with". It's all about the EV man

  17. #37
    One of the things I have always been a little confused about is why should a tip be or expected to be a percentage of anything? If a player hits a a $1200 jackpot, an attendant has to collect your personal information, go do some paperwork and bring that paperwork and your cash to you. What is the appropriate tip for that? In my mind maybe $10.

    Now let's use the previously mentioned $120k jackpot. An attendant has to collect your personal information, go do some paperwork and bring that paperwork and your cash (or check) to you. The exact same procedure and work or effort. Why is that worth a $1000 tip? What have they done to make that worth 100 times more than the $1200 jackpot?

    Same goes for waiter/waitress. Say 2 people go out to a neighborhood restuarant, let's say appleby's or something and they spend $50 on a meal. The waiter took the order, brought drinks, brought the food and someone cleared away dishes after use. The expected or accepted tip would be I guess $8-$10

    So the same 2 people go to a nicer resturant, spend $300. The waiter does the exact same thing, took the order, brought drinks, brought the food and someone cleared away dishes after use. Why is that now worth $50?

  18. #38
    This same thinking should apply to table game dealers, like blackjack. In my mind a blackjack dealer is not providing a personalized service, they are doing a menial job...casino dealer which I don't beleive warrants a tip.

    But lets say I sit down and play 30 rounds of blackjack. I win a couple thousand dollars, I am expected to tip a certain amount. But if I didn't win, the dealer did the exact same job, dealt me the cards for 30 rounds and I lost or broke about even, why am I not expected to tip? He did the same work?

    If a dealer is a job that warrents a tip for doing, which again I don't beleive then a player playing 30 minutes and losing should tip the same amount (maybe $5) as a player playing 30 minutes and winning $2000, or $5000. What makes that job that the dealer did, worth more because a player risked more and won more?

  19. #39
    Glad to be here, Ozzy, thank you. That 230-something page thread on Dan's other site has been interesting to say the least!

  20. #40
    Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Axel, what would you tip in this situation brought up by VitalVegas, after a $120k jackpot?

    This woman gave $200, and clearly the attendant was so unhappy that he/she ran and tattled to VitalVegas about it. (It's likely Vital was around because he promotes Circa a lot, and seems to be on property often.)

    So if $200 will get shit talked about you, what amount wouldn't? And if you know the attendant is going to scoff at your tip and tell eveyrone you're a cheap piece of shit, wouldn't you just rather leave 0?
    I did some calculations, and a $200 tip on a $120,000 Jackpot isn't even ONE percent. A $200 tip for a $120,000 Jackpot is beyond shitty... 20 percent tip, which is standard tipping in the U.S is $24,000 which I'm sure MOST People wouldn't be comfortable giving. 5 percent is more like it at $6,000)
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