Send Singer your tax documents and maybe you'll get your payday.Originally Posted by kewlJ
But your grift won't work, because you can't fabricate tax documents sent directly from the IRS, and your real documents don't match the story you've been telling.
You sunk your own ship by fighting this...you shouldn't have pussied out from those swimming lessons I offered.
Yeah, That's what I thought. Big mouth coach smelly pussied out too.
Singer pussied out.
Coach cockroack pussied out.
Hey potato boy over there at the voodoo gambling forums, looks like your little Army that you named last week given the chance to back up their years long bullshit about me, have all pussied out. I would ask you if you want to step in and take up this challenge but I don't think you have $150 let alone $150k.
I am done with you trolls. You are all fucking blocked permanantly. That goes for you to BoSucks.
RIP ........
Until next week.....lol
It certainly took me quite a while to read thru all kew's desperate face-saving rants here, and then his deflection-laced whining about my absence tonight AFTER MY LAST POST CLEARLY SAID I WAS TAKING MY WIFE OUT FOR DINNER AND WOULDN'T BE BACK ON UNTIL THIS MORNING. How many times have I told your boring, pathetic little ass that I LIVE A REAL LIFE, and unlike you, my life's existence is not based upon some internet forums concoction.
Kew, do you ever get anything right? The level of density you display over and over again is yet another tell about why you are not successful at anything. That's what happens when you don't read with comprehension and make so many things up.
Now to the bet you asked for: first off, WTF are you asking for money just to prove what you say is true? If it's true then logical minds would believe you'd simply have the IRS forward the info to someone you trust to post properly redacted photos of the summaries. Simple, no?
Instead, you want to make a bet out of it, and instead of reading with understanding you immediately start scrambling around in circles with a mountain of dumbass posts, looking very foolish in the process.
Here's where we are....or should be: you said a significant bet so I replied with a significant amount. You came back with an uncomfortable explanation about your future and other nonsense regarding why $150k was significant to you. I countered with $325k. You won't budge. Fine--I agree to $150k. And by the way AGAIN, you know we keep nothing in our names any more, I doubt the snoop sites have info on my 37-count valuable gun collection, and if you do your research you'd find that RETIREMENT ACCOUNTS are not included because there is no public or even private access to them. So if you doubt what results from two people having prepared for retirement after fairly lucrative careers, come meet me at Circa next week in the high limit room and learn how to play dollars thru $50 vp.
Next, I thought you agreed to an arbitrator for holding onto the money? It makes no sense using Dan. Use your head instead of your inexperience with life. You NEVER hand over cash to a gambling or poker addict for any reason. This should be obvious to a guy who fancies himself as a "man about town" in LV.
What should we expect? Your 3 most recent tax summaries. You've always claimed these were in the $90k-$100k range, but as soon as shit gets real (remember when you and your pal vowed to come to Phx. to see our Newell when we were selling it, then backed out as soon as I posted the address to be at?) you went into your usual panic mode and started downgrading your numbers in a frenzy! Well I want to see these hi-5 figures like you said..
So, seeing that I have met your two conditions and I hope the arbitrator is still good, I expect you to accept my one condition that the IRS documents come directly from them to me. If you think I care in the least about wasting time talking to casinos about you or anybody else, that's extreme paranoia. Again, I live a real life and casinos are nothing but infrequent entertainment these days. I'll even review them with you and the arbitrator present. And BS with the redactions for my eyes. Do you worry about everything?
Edit: I feel like a school teacher. Kew, I don't usually log in and out unless we're traveling. I keep my computer on and that's likely why you think I'm on when I'm not. The bigger question is, who bothers with looking at that stuff anyway? Oh...someone with no life.
Last edited by Rob.Singer; 09-01-2021 at 02:14 AM.
The thing about button pushing is it's almost as boring as hand swiping. You know....Originally Posted by ZenKinG
swipe....hit
swipe....stand
swipe....hit
swipe....stand
swipe....hit
swipe....stand
All fucking day long! BORINNNGGGGG!!!!!
Any monkey can....
Swipe,swipe,swipe
Swipe,swipe,swipe
Swipe your boody
Swipe your boody
Swipe....hit
Swipe....stand
Swipe....hit
Swipe....stand
All fucking day long!!!!
Do you use the same hand to swipe your stinking ass, ZK?
"More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ
I suggest using Las Vegas attorney Brandon L. Phillips as an escrow to hold the money, view the info and make the call as to who won and who lost.
The Wiz has a banner add for him at DT; I met Brandon at a WoV Spring Fling, seems like a "normal" attorney.
As to the level of proof, IIRC KJ can ask the IRS to mail a SUMMARY, not a copy, of his returns; if so, he can ask the IRS to mail it to Brandon, and KJ should also give Brandon copies of his old, filed returns to compare against the info sent by the IRS.
Allow KJ and Singer to view but not copy or photograph the docs but only at a date, time and place certain, after which the attorney announces the winnner and hands over the money.
Allow the escrow free rein to discuss anything related to the bet, unlike the douchedawg / Wizard clusterfuck.
Last edited by MisterV; 09-01-2021 at 10:22 AM.
What, Me Worry?
Your explanation of remaining logged on doesn't really fly as late evening you were logged in and out several different times. Even if you went out to dinner, how long does a meal at Denny's take? If you were really serious about setting something up involving a 6 figure wager, you could have gotten back in the alloted time frame.Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
But that aside, your proposal this morning has not a damn thing new in it. Terms that I have already rejected, mainly that you will have any access to my personal information. I don't know how I can be any clearer on the matter, I would not have agree to any terms that give you access to my personal information.
However late last night, I received an email from an attorney friend. When I say "friend" I have paid for his services a couple times and had lunch and dinner with him a couple times. Sometimes I just like to have a meal with him and pick his brain. But I consider him a friend. Maybe I am being liberal with the term. I suspect many know who I am referring to.
I am not sure how he came to learn of this wager/proposal. Probably a fellow AP alerted him, because I don't think he reads THIS forum. So anyway, I have been advised that the whole proposal involving the bet or financial arrangement is problematic, because such a bet is illegal. That means, no agreement with any person or company holding escrow could be enforced. No contract with an arbitrator, say Dan Druff or anyone else chosen could be enforced. I am advised this kind of wager/finacial agreement would almost certainly end in some sort of litigation, and there can be no litigation because it is an illegal wager.
That basically removes the finacial incentive, which without I have no interest in. Without the finacial incentive offering protection against loss of income due to my identity being revealed, you are asking me to do an "arci"...to show my taxes to prove to something to some trolls on an anonymous internet forum. I have never had an interest in that and still have zero interest in that.
Unless you can come up with something worthwhile to me, not a wager, but some sort of financial incentive to cover possible losses, I have no further interest in your games.
MisterV, I wouldn't have been opposed to an attorney like Mr Phillips, whom I do not know. But I remain opposed to Rob Singer seeing any personal information of mine. If it could be done in such a way for him to see the numbers provided by the IRS or IRS summary, without anything identifying, I would have no objection to that part.Originally Posted by MisterV
However, a new issue has arisen with the financial incentive, which I have just outlined. You being an attorney, would you care to weigh in on what my attorney friend relayed to me about no contract or agreement being enforcable because it is basically an illegal wager?
I went thru all the posts on this again and by all accounts it appears like kew will NEVER (his word) have anything sent directly to me--for the most ridiculous of paranoid reasons. It's also BLATANTLY OBVIOUS that with him being the bet originator where he at this time is the only one who knows the truth about his claims, there is no reason in the world why he would not throw every penny he has at this plus solicit cash from as many people as it takes to have accepted my original "significant" (again, his word) bet amount, if he supposedly knows he will win. It make no sense that he wouldn't do that. Which leads to the only logical conclusion: he's lying.
This is his concocted online life, not mine. For him to use those flimsy excuses about why he won't have the summaries (yes Mr. V, I've mentioned summaries multiple times before you did) sent directly to me only means he's using that as his method of escape. Typical kew. And for someone who's life depends on forum perception.....
You and your login nonsense--a thirty-something who doesn't understand computers?Originally Posted by kewlJYour explanation of remaining logged on doesn't really fly as late evening you were logged in and out several different times. Even if you went out to dinner, how long does a meal at Denny's take? If you were really serious about setting something up involving a 6 figure wager, you could have gotten back in the alloted time frame.Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
But that aside, your proposal this morning has not a damn thing new in it. Terms that I have already rejected, mainly that you will have any access to my personal information. I don't know how I can be any clearer on the matter, I would not have agree to any terms that give you access to my personal information.
However late last night, I received an email from an attorney friend. When I say "friend" I have paid for his services a couple times and had lunch and dinner with him a couple times. Sometimes I just like to have a meal with him and pick his brain. But I consider him a friend. Maybe I am being liberal with the term. I suspect many know who I am referring to.
I am not sure how he came to learn of this wager/proposal. Probably a fellow AP alerted him, because I don't think he reads THIS forum. So anyway, I have been advised that the whole proposal involving the bet or financial arrangement is problematic, because such a bet is illegal. That means, no agreement with any person or company holding escrow could be enforced. No contract with an arbitrator, say Dan Druff or anyone else chosen could be enforced. I am advised this kind of wager/finacial agreement would almost certainly end in some sort of litigation, and there can be no litigation because it is an illegal wager.
That basically removes the finacial incentive, which without I have no interest in. Without the finacial incentive offering protection against loss of income due to my identity being revealed, you are asking me to do an "arci"...to show my taxes to prove to something to some trolls on an anonymous internet forum. I have never had an interest in that and still have zero interest in that.
Unless you can come up with something worthwhile to me, not a wager, but some sort of financial incentive to cover possible losses, I have no further interest in your games.
Now the bet is "illegal". What other escape hatch will you come up with.
So just do as several of us have said: prove your veracity by having your summaries sent to Dan who will then report on them. It might cost you 40 bucks, and if you can't afford it I'll take care of it.
Originally Posted by kewlJThere are no possible losses if you post photos of the tax documents on this forum, and redact the personal identifying information.Originally Posted by kewlJ
You've been posting the amounts that you claim to have won, over and over, for years.
After years of effort attempting to prove something to anonymous members across several forums, what's stopping you from corroborating your claims now?
You are obviously hiding the fact that your playing and tax records do not match the story that you've been telling.
Haleluju!!! Only took me stating it a dozen time for you to understand.Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
There is a reason actually and I hinted to it. I didn't want to spell it out because I didn't want to offend anyone that might be involved as an arbitrator. The single word explanation is 'collusion'. What is stopping either party, you or I with colluding with the arbitrator and splitting the proceeds should he rule in our favor? That is a scenario that I could lose, while knowing that I have actually won. And thus I weighed what I was willing to risk.Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
But again, moot point at the moment.
I have absolutely no interest in that. I have never had an interest in that. All your bullying don't change that. If Arci did that, that is on him. I think he was stupid for doing so. And frankly what did that get him? You have never accepted what the arbitrator (former owner here) said. Even if for some odd reason I wanted to do that, had some bizarre thing about proving myself to an anonymous internet forum....I still wouldn't do it out of principal.Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
Ok, I didn't read the cockroach belly's post and I am done reading yours Rob, unless you can come up with something new, something that I will find acceptable in protecting myself. I am just not going to re-hash the same unacceptable crap over and over.
MisterV, I am still interested in hearing your thoughts on the above mentioned legal opinion. regnis as well if you care to weigh in.
Sorry KJ, I'm not an expert in that area; google shows private gambling debts are a contract, but collection of losses can be problematical if the specific type of gambling is not permitted under state law.
Bottom line: it seems to me that there would be no problem if neither of you balk at carrying through; let us however assume that the loser tells the escrow not to pay the losing bet; the escrow cannot then pay the money over and would have to refund it to the welsher.
Another issue would be bankruptcy: gambling debts are dischargeable; also if the escrow paid over the winnings to the winner and the loser then files bankruptcy I believe the bankruptcy trustee would demand the money be refunded.
So this will only work if the bettors are "honorable men."
Ahem ...
What, Me Worry?
All you're showing here is more paranoia nonsense muddying up what should be an otherwise very simple endeavor. And why all the obfuscating? Because you know your collar does not match your cuffs.Originally Posted by kewlJHaleluju!!! Only took me stating it a dozen time for you to understand.Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
There is a reason actually and I hinted to it. I didn't want to spell it out because I didn't want to offend anyone that might be involved as an arbitrator. The single word explanation is 'collusion'. What is stopping either party, you or I with colluding with the arbitrator and splitting the proceeds should he rule in our favor? That is a scenario that I could lose, while knowing that I have actually won. And thus I weighed what I was willing to risk.Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
But again, moot point at the moment.
The only reason arci was foolish is because his records in no way matched his claims here. And that's exactly why you have no interest in doing so.Originally Posted by kewlJI have absolutely no interest in that. I have never had an interest in that. All your bullying don't change that. If Arci did that, that is on him. I think he was stupid for doing so. And frankly what did that get him? You have never accepted what the arbitrator (former owner here) said. Even if for some odd reason I wanted to do that, had some bizarre thing about proving myself to an anonymous internet forum....I still wouldn't do it out of principal.Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
I just assumed it was somewhere in that neighborhood. Obviously, the bet should reflect whatever was said by Rob, and you ORIGINALLY. If you have indicated that you have made between 70k and 100k via AP with an average of 80k (or whatever) and Rob comes along and says it has to be at least 90k, then I would call weaseling out.Originally Posted by kewlJOriginally Posted by AxelWolf
Geez, I guess we didn't really cover that, but no I didn't average 90k in blackjack last 3 years. I have shared both as I was going through it and many times since that Last year (2020) was the worst year of my carreer for blackjack, as I made 14k, after being in the red most of the year. I know without looking that 2019 was above expectation over 6 figures and 2018, slightly below expectation, about 70k. (these are blackjack only results).
Since I generally post exactly what I made at the end of each year, I will go back and find my claims for thse 3 years and my tax returns gambling income will match exactly. That is the wager.
Although the numbers on my returns will be higher because they will include non blackjack AP winnings as well, but still will match what I said each year.
Originally Posted by Rob.SingerThe only reason arci was foolish is because his records in no way matched his claims here. And that's exactly why you have no interest in doing so.Originally Posted by kewlJI have absolutely no interest in that. I have never had an interest in that. All your bullying don't change that. If Arci did that, that is on him. I think he was stupid for doing so. And frankly what did that get him? You have never accepted what the arbitrator (former owner here) said. Even if for some odd reason I wanted to do that, had some bizarre thing about proving myself to an anonymous internet forum....I still wouldn't do it out of principal.Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
I wish you would stop lying. Stop your lying or "spoofing" or whatever narcissistic nonsense you spend your days touting.
If "his records in no way matched his claims here," then dig up the claims. Where's the quotes? Where's the specifics? What, people are supposed to think you're the forum historian with an eidetic memory? You're on this forum. Go find some arci quotes where's he's claiming specific numbers for the years he sent in his tax returns.
Just stop bullshitting about arci, how about it? Go ahead -- dig up the posts with arci's alleged monetary claims for the years he sent in his taxes. Let's see them. If you're too lazy to do it, maybe Alan Mendelson can help out and explain what specific figures arci used in his alleged forum claims.
Note: "Singer" will now go out to dinner. For three or four days.
Last edited by redietz; 09-01-2021 at 01:30 PM.
NOTHING was ever agreed to! Rob's terms always including him personally seeing my tax returns and personal information, and I not for one iota of a second would EVER consider, much less agree to, such a thing.Originally Posted by AxelWolf
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