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  1. #21
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    It's so meaningful that kew's forum apologists are willing to offer the obvious without explaining the only point that has anything to do with his claim. Let's see you do less pontificating and show more insight to him continuously announcing for years that he plays machines very little, if any, and now somehow comes up with freeplay numbers that are more out of whack than he is. $400/mo. with $1000 through? Apparently you don't play. And I love the stupid comment that kew plays bj and no freeplay is generated thru that. Thank you McFly.
    Whatever you say, Robbie. There's really nothing impressive about my $400/month with $1,000 coin-in figure, if you really think about it. It's not a huge sum of money, unless you're doing a good many cards. It was actually $420/month precisely with the first two months of offers, each of which was six pick ups of $70, per card. The next two months the mail would either be $55 per pick up or $30 per pick up...I never could figure out what would cause one or the other to be the case. The two months after that would always be $22 for pick up...I have no idea why the ridiculous amount, but that's what it was. That's often where I would stop picking it up and just wait the six months of no activity for those cards to, "Reset," to do the $1,000 coin-in and start the process over again. Sometimes I would pick up the $22 if I wasn't going to be using that card again anyway.

    You also have to consider the time in transit and time that you are actually spending in the casino, so the hourly figure is truly not anything impressive. I would also err on the side of caution to the extent that I wouldn't have very many cards going at a time. Additionally, you would want to compensate the person for them letting you use the cards, so that comes out of your expected profits, as well.

    Honestly, if the spread of machines at that casino wasn't such that the vulturing was usually pretty good, I wouldn't have considered it worth the time. But, again, I don't necessarily enjoy spending a lot of time in casinos.

    In terms of profit to coin-in and time spend, my amounts are laughable compared to what some other people are doing.
    Last edited by Mission146; 08-31-2021 at 01:55 PM.

  2. #22
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Here's another "clarification" but obvious only to those who actually know something: some properties either severely cut back or do not offer freeplay to winning players.
    Holy shit! You actually made a claim that is factually accurate. Good job!

    Obviously, the casinos that I am talking about are not of that variety. The second casino I spoke of you would just do the 1k coin-in once if you did not want to maintain the offers on that card. What I don't expect you to know is that the big flaw in that system was that it treated slot coin-in and video poker coin-in as completely the same thing.

    The system and the casino itself is not terribly sophisticated there. In fact, before they finally figured it out, you could actually get the full benefits of multiplier days (which gives 2% of all coin-in as points convertible to Free Play) on Bubble Craps...you know, that game with a 1.41%/1.40% House Edge on line bets and 0% house edge on Odds bets? THAT lasted longer than I thought it would have, but not as long as I would have liked, which would be forever, of course.

    Now, more sophisticated systems (or hosts actually looking at accounts as opposed to automatically generated mail) often do put some emphasis on ACTUAL results, rather than doing a calculation based on either an ADT estimate or straight coin-in. However, those are still exploitable to get the big offers that will more than offset the losses. A smart guy like you could figure it out if he wanted to, so I'm not going to bother to tell you. Also, it's not my play as I have never run cards solo at a casino that does it that way...so it's not for me to talk about the tactics.

  3. #23
    Originally Posted by Mission146 View Post
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Here's another "clarification" but obvious only to those who actually know something: some properties either severely cut back or do not offer freeplay to winning players.
    Holy shit! You actually made a claim that is factually accurate. Good job!

    Obviously, the casinos that I am talking about are not of that variety. The second casino I spoke of you would just do the 1k coin-in once if you did not want to maintain the offers on that card. What I don't expect you to know is that the big flaw in that system was that it treated slot coin-in and video poker coin-in as completely the same thing.

    The system and the casino itself is not terribly sophisticated there. In fact, before they finally figured it out, you could actually get the full benefits of multiplier days (which gives 2% of all coin-in as points convertible to Free Play) on Bubble Craps...you know, that game with a 1.41%/1.40% House Edge on line bets and 0% house edge on Odds bets? THAT lasted longer than I thought it would have, but not as long as I would have liked, which would be forever, of course.

    Now, more sophisticated systems (or hosts actually looking at accounts as opposed to automatically generated mail) often do put some emphasis on ACTUAL results, rather than doing a calculation based on either an ADT estimate or straight coin-in. However, those are still exploitable to get the big offers that will more than offset the losses. A smart guy like you could figure it out if he wanted to, so I'm not going to bother to tell you. Also, it's not my play as I have never run cards solo at a casino that does it that way...so it's not for me to talk about the tactics.
    That is all so uninteresting. You might get a few likes on WoV from the queers and atheists who like past and present gay mods. But c'mon!

    Kew didn't say he popped in for a quickie $1k thru promo. He said he was at the top of his cycle--however that's possible for someone who's always said he rarely plays machines.

    But will you ever address that??

  4. #24
    Hey, everybody:

    Singer did the double up bug for millions of dollars, but my claims of running very minor mail at a locals casino are hard to believe! Imagine that!

  5. #25
    Originally Posted by Mission146 View Post
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    It's so meaningful that kew's forum apologists are willing to offer the obvious without explaining the only point that has anything to do with his claim. Let's see you do less pontificating and show more insight to him continuously announcing for years that he plays machines very little, if any, and now somehow comes up with freeplay numbers that are more out of whack than he is. $400/mo. with $1000 through? Apparently you don't play. And I love the stupid comment that kew plays bj and no freeplay is generated thru that. Thank you McFly.
    Whatever you say, Robbie. There's really nothing impressive about my $400/month with $1,000 coin-in figure, if you really think about it. It's not a huge sum of money, unless you're doing a good many cards. It was actually $420/month precisely with the first two months of offers, each of which was six pick ups of $70, per card. The next two months the mail would either be $55 per pick up or $30 per pick up...I never could figure out what would cause one or the other to be the case. The two months after that would always be $22 for pick up...I have no idea why the ridiculous amount, but that's what it was. That's often where I would stop picking it up and just wait the six months of no activity for those cards to, "Reset," to do the $1,000 coin-in and start the process over again. Sometimes I would pick up the $22 if I wasn't going to be using that card again anyway.

    You also have to consider the time in transit and time that you are actually spending in the casino, so the hourly figure is truly not anything impressive. I would also err on the side of caution to the extent that I wouldn't have very many cards going at a time. Additionally, you would want to compensate the person for them letting you use the cards, so that comes out of your expected profits, as well.

    Honestly, if the spread of machines at that casino wasn't such that the vulturing was usually pretty good, I wouldn't have considered it worth the time. But, again, I don't necessarily enjoy spending a lot of time in casinos.

    In terms of profit to coin-in and time spend, my amounts are laughable compared to what some other people are doing.
    The only thing more annoying than both you and kew trying to splain things that you two have no idea on how to explain is your and his constant long-winded posts trying to talk yourselves into believing the BS you're posting.

  6. #26
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post

    That is all so uninteresting. You might get a few likes on WoV from the queers and atheists who like past and present gay mods. But c'mon!

    Kew didn't say he popped in for a quickie $1k thru promo. He said he was at the top of his cycle--however that's possible for someone who's always said he rarely plays machines.

    But will you ever address that??
    There's nothing for me to address and it's not what I would call a, "Promo." That's just the way that the automatically generated mail works at the casinos I am talking about.

    I can't address KewlJ's specific claim because I don't know anything about Boyd's mail, or even whether or not it differs based on what specific Boyd casino is being talked about. I also don't know what he means by, "Rarely plays machines."

    For the offers at Casino #2, you could get 1k coin-in on a card in an hour at 800 HPH and $1.25/hand. Other than actually picking up the free play, which $70 is 56 hands played (plus another four hands to earn one full point); that was the entire time spend per card. I don't know if I would describe it as, "Rarely," but I certainly wouldn't describe it as playing a lot.

    Of course my post would be uninteresting. It should be. I don't make untrue claims about my doings and freely admit I am a low-level hustler type. I have repeatedly stated I make at least as much writing about gambling as I do actually gambling.

  7. #27
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post

    Kew didn't say he popped in for a quickie $1k thru promo. He said he was at the top of his cycle--however that's possible for someone who's always said he rarely plays machines.

    But will you ever address that??
    No need for mission to address this, I will address it myself. It is typical Singer bullshit!

    What are you talking about I rarely played machines? I (and my partner) did so for a decade supplementing our income. In addition to the actual profit from the play itself, I had additional hidden value and income income in the form of drawing wins, that were entered because of this play. Three of which were 5 figures or more in value.

    I only began to reduce my play 3 years ago after my partner passed because casinos has started reducing offers and I just didn't want to be bothered putting in all the time. Note that I didn't say I stopped all my play 3 years ago, but began reducing, still playing a handful of the best opportunities that produced the best mailers. Also continued just a few because I wanted the added benefit of free meals from points as well as offers.

    That reduction continued after covid, but I still have 3-4 places that I play and get mailers and offers from.

    So as usual, you know not a single thing about what you are saying. in other words, you are talking out your ass.

  8. #28
    Interestingly, today I received emails from 4 different casinos, one of them Boyd, 3 that I haven't even visited in the last year, to vote for them in different catagories for "best of Vegas". Makes me wonder was the free play from Boyd, received out of the blue yesterday, some kind of attempt at goodwill, for this vote?

    I have never voted on these things and don't pay any attention, but could it be that winning these things and then splashing that "voted best in Vegas for xxx' is such a PR thing that a casino (chain) would spend money giving free play away to try to get votes?

  9. #29
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by jpfromla View Post
    I was on the Strip every month this year and clearly July was crazy busy, but August was not.
    I probably shouldn't devulge this, but I have been playing the strip on weekend nights lately. With masks back and crowded conditions, it is an opportunity for me to bump up in stakes playing in the shadows of bigger weekend night bettor. The problem is the past few weekend nights I have played, have not been crowded, nor had as many of those bigger bettors, to play in their shadows.

    This weekend is a holiday weekend, so maybe I can squeeze one more in, but I suspect after Labor Day, weekend traffic will slow even more. I think this strategy might be coming to an end for me for the time being. We will see. I sort of hate the strip anyway, but liked the added EV that higher stakes play affords me.
    I read someone on Twitter that said Wynn has had 12,000 hotel nights cancelled since the masks were reinstated.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  10. #30
    I didn't follow it close but there was scuttlebutt on vpFREE a year or so ago about Boyd cutting freeplay to nothing. Pissed off a lot of people.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  11. #31
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    I didn't follow it close but there was scuttlebutt on vpFREE a year or so ago about Boyd cutting freeplay to nothing. Pissed off a lot of people.
    There is one other very small thing that Boyd did a year ago that they have reveresed with these new offers. And that is they made the offers chain wide. Offers had always been chain wide, So say a $50 free play amount was good at any casino (same way Stations does it). So last year, oddly, Boyd assigned everyone a "home" casinos. Mine was Gold Coast, because it was closest to where I live, even though I almost never played there. So the offers I received last year until they stopped were good ONLY at Gold coast.

    I know a lot of players complained about that. So these new offers are back to being good everywhere.

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