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  1. #21
    Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Originally Posted by Mission146 View Post
    Originally Posted by monet View Post

    I don't understand the concept of going to a sit down restaurant with the premeditation of stiffing your server.
    When I go to the Opera or Symphony I dress appropriately to the code.
    When I go to a Sporting Event I normally dress appropriate to the situation and sometimes pay 5 dollars for a coke, 15 dollars for a beer or 9 dollars for a stupid hot dog.
    We all know the situations and customs.
    If an individual doesn't agree with said custom they should avoid the situation and seek out other venues.
    I've literally been not let into bars or night clubs because of the shoes I had on no matter how much I was going to bribe the door man.
    It won't matter pretty soon as I'm guessing they won't let us into any place without a vaccine passport and that will exclude me from all luxuries.
    I agree. I'd say my tip starts somewhere between 30-40% (depends on the rounding to the nearest $5 more than anything) and can fall to 25% and get as high as 50%, depending on the server. The server has to be pretty outstanding to get north of 40%, though.

    Not that I've ever been hit with this sort of fee, but it would only be taking a little off what would typically be a very good tip anyway.
    Why would you start a standard tip at 30-40% of the bill, and go as high as 50%?

    I'd understand it if you're a regular in some place where servers do you favors, but as a standard tip for a standard meal? You crazy.

    I actually want to start tipping less now that I have confirmed that there are Mission's out there.

  2. #22
    Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post

    Why would you start a standard tip at 30-40% of the bill, and go as high as 50%?

    I'd understand it if you're a regular in some place where servers do you favors, but as a standard tip for a standard meal? You crazy.

    I generally pay cash and I feel like a cheap ass if I ask for any change back. So, imagine a bill that comes out to $43.25.

    Here are my choices:

    Pay $50.00 = 15.61% Tip, Unacceptable.

    Pay $60.00 = 38.73% Tip, Excellent.

    Pay $60.00 ask for $5.00 back = 27.17% Tip Meh...

    And, I wouldn't want to ask them to bring me $5 back anyway. So, what am I going to do? Ask them to bring me $3.00 back so that I can get to the closest dollar amount over 30% also while avoiding getting coins back? That's silly. If I care about $3-$5 that much, then I shouldn't be eating out, so just put $60 in the little book and tell them to keep it.

  3. #23
    It's a battle between 2 big shot AP tippers. In the red corner weighing in at approximately 240 pounds Marathon Mission146. In the blue corner weighing approx 140 pounds soaking wet with steel toed boots Alex the Warrior Wolf ! Two hard-core troopers that are more then willing to light their money on fire, should be an interesting match folks !

  4. #24
    HA! I'm not a big shot anything; I just don't really care about money all that much.

  5. #25
    Hey Mission, do you also hand out Jacksons and / or Franklins to cardboard sign holding roadside beggars?

    Your money, do what you want, but if you are in fact as exceedingly (foolishly, let's not mince words here) generous as you say then it is no wonder you are broke or nearly so.

    I'd never tip over fifteen percent, and the only tip I'd give a beggar is to get a fucking job.
    What, Me Worry?

  6. #26
    I've only come across one AP in the casinos over the years that was in the same category tipping wise as these two. This guy had a justifiable "cough" angle to why he did it, so it was easy to comprehend the method to his madness. I've seen thousands of plopps do it regularly, but it takes a " special" kind of AP to do the same.

  7. #27
    Originally Posted by MisterV View Post
    Hey Mission, do you also hand out Jacksons and / or Franklins to cardboard sign holding roadside beggars?

    Your money, do what you want, but if you are in fact as exceedingly (foolishly, let's not mince words here) generous as you say then it is no wonder you are broke or nearly so.

    I'd never tip over fifteen percent, and the only tip I'd give a beggar is to get a fucking job.
    I'd rather be broke and generous than be wealthy and miserly. That's not a shot at you; it's just my philosophy.

    I'm sure there's a middle ground somewhere, but I'm not much of a middle ground guy. The only thing I like the middle for is arguing because you always have a defensible position since you can take the best from either of the far sides of an argument.

  8. #28
    Originally Posted by Ozzy View Post
    I've only come across one AP in the casinos over the years that was in the same category tipping wise as these two. This guy had a justifiable "cough" angle to why he did it, so it was easy to comprehend the method to his madness. I've seen thousands of plopps do it regularly, but it takes a " special" kind of AP to do the same.
    If it helps, I'm a total cheap ass when it comes to everything except dining out and tipping. Most of my clothes come from Rural King, for example. I have upgraded to T-Shirts from Kohl's that I have mixed in...ten bucks a pop! Big money. Double digit T-Shirts.

    Oh, I guess my taste in tobacco is also not the cheapest. Copenhagen Mint Pouches.

  9. #29
    Me, I'm not a cheap ass, I'm just pretty careful and prudent with my money.

    A lot of white collar professionals such as I was blow all their earned income plus accrue a lot of debt while working: not me.

    Instead of buying a new car every year or two my interest in and skill at auto mechanics has allowed me to own, maintain and drive old cars that I really enjoy driving, and boy has that saved a shitload of money.

    As for traveling I get my jollies watching stuff on TV or YouTube about places and things in the world that interest me.

    We eat out at lower priced places like Chinese or Teriyaki (always tip fifteen percent).

    As a result of my conscious decision to save and invest I am setting pretty, at least financially.

    Tip: never give money away unless it's tax deductible, or as a tip for service rendered; never give a beggar a damned dime (unless you first heat it up with a propane torch, of course.
    What, Me Worry?

  10. #30
    Originally Posted by Mission146 View Post
    Originally Posted by Ozzy View Post
    I've only come across one AP in the casinos over the years that was in the same category tipping wise as these two. This guy had a justifiable "cough" angle to why he did it, so it was easy to comprehend the method to his madness. I've seen thousands of plopps do it regularly, but it takes a " special" kind of AP to do the same.
    If it helps, I'm a total cheap ass when it comes to everything except dining out and tipping. Most of my clothes come from Rural King, for example. I have upgraded to T-Shirts from Kohl's that I have mixed in...ten bucks a pop! Big money. Double digit T-Shirts.

    Oh, I guess my taste in tobacco is also not the cheapest. Copenhagen Mint Pouches.
    Now who could have ever guessed....a fatass slob and slug in life, who's greatest achievement has been being a moderator at a forum laced with atheists, faggots, transgenders and weirdos of every type and who could never attract either female OR male companionship if he even tried, looks at having money as irrelevant and boasts of a make-up personal constitution that leaves rich man tips to servants and slaves.

    It begs the question: is this sad, sad person any more or any less pathetic than the forum addict who goes around masquerading as kew??!

  11. #31
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post

    Now who could have ever guessed....a fatass slob and slug in life, who's greatest achievement has been being a moderator at a forum laced with atheists, faggots, transgenders and weirdos of every type and who could never attract either female OR male companionship if he even tried, looks at having money as irrelevant and boasts of a make-up personal constitution that leaves rich man tips to servants and slaves.

    It begs the question: is this sad, sad person any more or any less pathetic than the forum addict who goes around masquerading as kew??!
    Yeah, I guess it would have been a pretty safe assumption. I'm not actually what most people would call, "Fat," though.

    Do you really want to be going the physical appearance route, anyway? You look like an ugly and perpetually hungover version of Todd Barry. Also, what are you, 5'8"? I'm a fucking sunlit Adonis in comparison. Wouldn't even make a difference if you actually had a nine-inch pecker.

  12. #32
    Also, Singer is probably one of the only people who could actually (and, sadly, probably legitimately) find fault with generosity to strangers.

  13. #33
    Originally Posted by Mission146 View Post
    Also, Singer is probably one of the only people who could actually (and, sadly, probably legitimately) find fault with generosity to strangers.
    He dreams about running strangers down while behind the wheel of a Newell while he gets rocked to sleep by the wind beating up against his camper. What else do you expect? The only bright spot in his life is when his Man Servant hobo takes time off from chasing nickel keno plays around the country and shows up to polish his 9 cm knob.

  14. #34
    I think people should do what they want without pressure from the opposing side.
    You want to Stiff... Stiff.
    You want to Tip... Tip.
    But don't Fucking tell me that servers don't deserve to make a few dollars for waiting on us hand and foot and that the employer is the bad guy in the situation.
    I only get involved in the conversation because members post how their ideology in the situation should be the gold standard.
    Of course I am biased because I have worked as a dealer, bartender, fine dining server... etc. etc.
    IMO I never gave a shit if anyone tipped me or didn't.
    For every person that stiffed me I had other people, like Mission, who over tipped to overly compensate.
    When I was 18, I worked for Room Service and it was a pretty sweet gig.
    18% added to every bill, so the tip was already built in and many people wrote in extra money on the tip line.
    And... the hourly was above minimum wage which was unheard of in the industry for servers.

    Not that it matters but many times I got to meet famous people and ball players and got the occasional autograph.
    I met Nancy Kerrigan after the Olympics and she was every bit as bitchy or waspy as you might think.
    I liked that though.
    I met Paul Newman and talked with him a bit but didn't recognize him at the time as I was very busy with setting up the bar at the Ritz-Carlton.
    Worst shit ever when I actually realized I was talking with The Hustler and didn't know it.
    He was chatting me up and I was like uh huh... uh huh... uh huh... Leave me alone, I gotta go!
    I met Wilford Brimley and made a complete ass of myself... not hard to do actually.
    James Coburn would come in every night around 1am for a nightcap and fall asleep on the couch by himself.
    I served Anne Heche and Ellen when they were doing their lesbian thing.
    I served Gene Simmons, at the bar and his party of about 150 people by myself lol... crazy night... made over 1000 dollars cash.
    Obviously, Mission146 works or worked in the Hotel Industry so he knows what I am talking about.
    Last edited by monet; 09-08-2021 at 03:20 PM.

  15. #35
    Monet,

    I know exactly what you're talking about.

    Personally, the irony that I see in this situation is that Singer thinks he is making some kind of a point by shaming me (and bringing totally unrelated things into it) for being overly generous to strangers, but I wouldn't directly shame someone for being a non-tipper. I've also never met a true non-tipper, though I am not claiming that none exist.

    In my opinion, it's that person's money to do or not do with as they please. If they do not see not tipping as saying, "Your service to me has no value to me," then I cannot change their perspective. The only thing that I will do is make decisions to not eat out with them accordingly because I don't want to be in a position (separate checks or splitting the check) where I feel the need to add to my already very generous tip to compensate for the fact that they don't tip.

    Thus, I won't judge such a person...but I'm also never going out to eat with them more than once.

    I agree with Monet as to the other points. I've bartended, done delivery, delivered newspapers and worked both as hotel front desk and as a hotel manager. I've also done jobs where one doesn't normally get tips (but is allowed to accept them, if offered).

    There's nothing that quite perks a person who works in the service industry up as much as receiving a generous tip. Not even so much because it tells them they have done a great job---you know what kind of job you are doing, regardless of whether or not the customer tips you. It mainly perks you up just because it is a better than expected (financial) result from that customer and it's also pleasant just to have another person be exceedingly nice to you for no real reason.

    So, I don't strictly view a heavy tip as being just about the money. I look at it as a way that I can make a stranger's day better, and if the little bit extra than they were expecting from me makes a meaningful financial difference to that person, then that's just a bonus.

  16. #36
    Originally Posted by Mission146 View Post
    Monet,

    I know exactly what you're talking about.

    Personally, the irony that I see in this situation is that Singer thinks he is making some kind of a point by shaming me (and bringing totally unrelated things into it) for being overly generous to strangers, but I wouldn't directly shame someone for being a non-tipper. I've also never met a true non-tipper, though I am not claiming that none exist.

    In my opinion, it's that person's money to do or not do with as they please. If they do not see not tipping as saying, "Your service to me has no value to me," then I cannot change their perspective. The only thing that I will do is make decisions to not eat out with them accordingly because I don't want to be in a position (separate checks or splitting the check) where I feel the need to add to my already very generous tip to compensate for the fact that they don't tip.

    Thus, I won't judge such a person...but I'm also never going out to eat with them more than once.

    I agree with Monet as to the other points. I've bartended, done delivery, delivered newspapers and worked both as hotel front desk and as a hotel manager. I've also done jobs where one doesn't normally get tips (but is allowed to accept them, if offered).

    There's nothing that quite perks a person who works in the service industry up as much as receiving a generous tip. Not even so much because it tells them they have done a great job---you know what kind of job you are doing, regardless of whether or not the customer tips you. It mainly perks you up just because it is a better than expected (financial) result from that customer and it's also pleasant just to have another person be exceedingly nice to you for no real reason.

    So, I don't strictly view a heavy tip as being just about the money. I look at it as a way that I can make a stranger's day better, and if the little bit extra than they were expecting from me makes a meaningful financial difference to that person, then that's just a bonus.
    I would much rather over tip than give my money to some charity or church organization.
    That money is going directly to some individual to actually help them with whatever they choose.
    Of course people usually only give to charity so they can cheat their taxes... I get it.
    Anyways... TIP = To Insure Promptness.

  17. #37
    Speaking of unrelated things: I Moderated for the Forums and learned as much about the subject of gambling as I could and ended up parlaying that into a paid writing gig when the sites were bought out. Who pays you to write about gambling, Mr. Singer? Also, why don't you post there anymore?

    Oh, right. You threw a fit and ended up with a potential ban and chose to resign instead. After that, you jumped on the opportunity to be interviewed by Mike about the DUB...something that you could have easily parlayed into a bet with Mike, with the stipulation that he had to keep your method confidential, that could have been used to silence your detractors forever. "The Singer System," wouldn't even have been relevant, at that point. Had such a bet happened, it would have been enough for Wizard to say, "I can't disclose the details, but Singer can essentially profit at Video Poker anytime he wants to."

    So, when it was provable and it would have benefited you to prove it, you didn't want to.

    And, why did you resign, anyway? Ultimately, it was because you were sick of everyone mathematically challenging, "The Singer System." Weak. Didn't want anyone challenging your, "Special Plays," such as, "I never hold an inside straight draw at any game."

    But, I should put this to an end right now. What did I say the first time you addressed a post to me here? Oh, right:

    Originally Posted by Mission146
    You're Rob Singer. I rest my case.

  18. #38
    Originally Posted by Mission146 View Post
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post

    Now who could have ever guessed....a fatass slob and slug in life, who's greatest achievement has been being a moderator at a forum laced with atheists, faggots, transgenders and weirdos of every type and who could never attract either female OR male companionship if he even tried, looks at having money as irrelevant and boasts of a make-up personal constitution that leaves rich man tips to servants and slaves.

    It begs the question: is this sad, sad person any more or any less pathetic than the forum addict who goes around masquerading as kew??!
    Yeah, I guess it would have been a pretty safe assumption. I'm not actually what most people would call, "Fat," though.

    Do you really want to be going the physical appearance route, anyway? You look like an ugly and perpetually hungover version of Todd Barry. Also, what are you, 5'8"? I'm a fucking sunlit Adonis in comparison. Wouldn't even make a difference if you actually had a nine-inch pecker.
    Don't forget that beast he calls a wife.

  19. #39
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    Don't forget that beast he calls a wife.
    Why are you calling his wife "that beast" ?

    Do you know her?

  20. #40
    Originally Posted by coach belly
    Do you know her?
    Do you mean "Biblically?"
    What, Me Worry?

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