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Thread: Why donít more casinos have self pay for jackpots?

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    Self pay for jackpots seems like a no brainer.

    You hit a hand-pay type in your pin and keep playing. This has been out for awhile now but why are so few casinos offering this option?

    It saves the casino money for labor costs, especially now when there is a labor shortage. It keeps the machines in action longer instead of being shut down for 20 plus minutes.

    No more tipping for hand pays. Should make everyone happy. Players donít have to worry about tipping or tip shaming. Money that would go to employees in form of tip is cycled back through machine instead and exposed to house edge should make the casino happy.

    Would encourage bigger bets. Sometimes I avoid high bets I would otherwise make at a casino with self pay as I donít want to wait 20 minutes for a $1200 handpay and $20 tip on a $50 slot bet.

    So why isnít everybody doing this now?

    I suspect that eventually everybody will in the longterm, 5 to 10 years out or more. But why have casinos been so slow to adopt this?

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    I'd have to guess cost to implement. I'd assume some older systems don't have it in the programming to even be able to do that.

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    Originally Posted by Mission146 View Post
    I'd have to guess cost to implement. I'd assume some older systems don't have it in the programming to even be able to do that.
    Reasonable assumption. You would think though that in all but the smallest casinos cost savings would easily dwarf cost to implement.

    There was a medium sized casino a couple of years ago that put self pay in place and they went from having 5 - 8 slot attendants on the floor to having 1-2 on the floor during slow times, and 3-4 during busy times.

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    I believe it has a lot to do with the plops wanting to see and hear "jackpots" around the casino. A lot of meatballs think just because someone is getting a handpay that the machines are loose and paying better. Most rational people would be in favor of this being implemented.

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    Do new casinos like Resorts World have this?

    If it's not cost of implementation as Mission said I really have no idea.

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    Originally Posted by Ozzy View Post
    I believe it has a lot to do with the plops wanting to see and hear "jackpots" around the casino. A lot of meatballs think just because someone is getting a handpay that the machines are loose and paying better. Most rational people would be in favor of this being implemented.
    Possible. With self pay people still see and hear the jackpots, just nit the floor coming around to do handpays.

    If a casino wanted people to see a lot of jackpots, they could just have shills run around and do $100 bets all over the place.

    In fact there is a small funky tribal casino that I follow on twitter.

    They always tweet pictures of handpays and when I look closely at the pictures, they are always on $1 Ainsworths or Konami’s where the bet was $50 or $100 so the handpay is not a large mulitple of the bet.

    This casino is in a poor rural area, so it always makes me wonder if these are real or if there just doing these themselves,

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    Originally Posted by smurgerburger View Post
    Do new casinos like Resorts World have this?

    If it's not cost of implementation as Mission said I really have no idea.
    I could be wrong be I think I recall they do.

    If not I think I recall on Druffs show them talking about how they had the reserve feature there so you could lock the machine up yourself with your players card to run to the bathroom.

    Being able to self reserve your machine for a few minutes or more is another feature that is often found at casinos with self pay,

    This is yet another thing that saves the casino on labor costs, is more convenient to the customer than having to find and tip an attendant to hold machine and is another absolute no brainer that very few places are doing.

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    I suppose it's an exercise in futility to think that the reporting threshold will ever be increased from $1200.

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    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    I suppose it's an exercise in futility to think that the reporting threshold will ever be increased from $1200.
    I often have the same thought.

    Unfortunately slot machine and video poker players don’t have a very strong lobby in Washington otherwise it might be a different story……

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    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    I suppose it's an exercise in futility to think that the reporting threshold will ever be increased from $1200.
    Should be at minimum 3k, 5k would be a pipe dream that will never happen !

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    I wonder whether a casino, preferably a tribal joint, would allow a player who won a small handpay, let's call it $1200.00, to accept less than that in order to avoid having it reported to the IRS?

    I'd be happy to pocket $1100.00 instead of #1300.00 if it didn't automatically get reported via W-2G.

    A win - win for both sides.
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    Originally Posted by MisterV View Post
    I wonder whether a casino, preferably a tribal joint, would allow a player who won a small handpay, let's call it $1200.00, to accept less than that in order to avoid having it reported to the IRS?

    I'd be happy to pocket $1100.00 instead of #1300.00 if it didn't automatically get reported via W-2G.

    A win - win for both sides.
    Yes or perhaps accepting $1200 in free play instead of $1200 cash for example. I speculate your example is very rare, but not non-existent.

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    Originally Posted by MisterV View Post
    I wonder whether a casino, preferably a tribal joint, would allow a player who won a small handpay, let's call it $1200.00, to accept less than that in order to avoid having it reported to the IRS?

    I'd be happy to pocket $1100.00 instead of #1300.00 if it didn't automatically get reported via W-2G.

    A win - win for both sides.
    That would be structuring. The Biden administration is trying to enact a requirement for banks to report all transactions of $600 or more. If that happens then casinos will have to comply as well ...RIP

    There is a reason the IRS is hiring 87k more workers. Shit is about to go full commie lockdown.

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    Originally Posted by MisterV View Post
    I wonder whether a casino, preferably a tribal joint, would allow a player who won a small handpay, let's call it $1200.00, to accept less than that in order to avoid having it reported to the IRS?

    I'd be happy to pocket $1100.00 instead of #1300.00 if it didn't automatically get reported via W-2G.

    A win - win for both sides.
    Iíve joked before at Tribal casinos, just give me $1199 and no W2G & keep the rest and weíll call it even.

    They are always like uh huh huh, no sorry we canít do that.

    As much as people complain about tribal casinos being unregulated I think that stems from being largely unregulated only in terms of abusing players, lawsuits etc.

    Too lazy to look for it right now, but I believe I read once that they are actually quite tightly regulated in terms of federal tax reporting requirements, CTRs, & all that kind of stuff.

    The Gubment donít care about them abusing players, but they do care very much about getting their own money.

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    I certainly don't think they will change it anytime soon but you would think they would realize it is different if someone is betting 125 dollars per hand on video poker compared to someone betting 1 dollar and 25 cents per hand.
    I'm all for Free Play as tableplay has suggested.
    The Plaza did that years ago when they ran the Double Royal Promotion so when you hit your Match Royal you could take Free Play and avoid the paperwork.
    I've been in other situations like that as well but its rare these days.
    I know that Stations have to get approval from Corporate to add any free play to your account, so its a pain but I have had them give me Special Free Play Days.
    I've had Casinos make up Free Play Days that I missed that were on my calendar as well but that's a different issue.

    On Topic with this thread... Fast Pay is pretty sweet.

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    About asking the Casino to pay you LESS, I remember asking on another Gambling Website something like," Can you ask the Casino to pay you LESS if you hit a Jackpot but left your ID at home, like if you won $1200, can you just ask them to pay you $1100 and keep the $100?" The answer was something like,"The Casino won't agree to pay you LESS. They would hold The Jackpot for you until you can get your ID. "
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    I have a seemingly simple solution: allow self-pay of jackpots in high limit rooms only, as that is where they'll most likely occur.

    Keep the handpays on the main floor where they are less common and that is where the ploppies can see the flashing lights, hear the bells, and envy the staff counting out the hundered dollar bills to the winner.
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    Originally Posted by MisterV View Post
    I have a seemingly simple solution: allow self-pay of jackpots in high limit rooms only, as that is where they'll most likely occur.

    Keep the handpays on the main floor where they are less common and that is where the ploppies can see the flashing lights, hear the bells, and envy the staff counting out the hundered dollar bills to the winner.
    Good idea,

    In fact I know of a couple of casinos that do exactly that. The Atlantis in Reno for one.

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    One stumbling block: how to generate and deliver the required W2-G to the bettor?

    I suppose the solution is to have the casino mail it to his LKA, as opposed to delivering it to him on the gaming floor.
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