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  1. #81
    Originally Posted by monet View Post
    Tom G showed us how to get a monster edge in sports betting but it requires a massive amount of daily action.
    I think it was something like 20 bets per day, averaging 250k wagered per week.
    I'm probably off on this total amount wagered but I just remember thinking how impossible it would be for me to bet on all those games day in and day out.
    Easy Money... I suppose but the Fucking Leg Work involved is impossible for me to maintain.
    And I have a sun problem.
    When the sun comes up, I go to sleep.
    I haven't read that cesspool in 5 months, but last I recall TomG seemed to know a lot about sports betting in general and other forms of AP. He seemed to wager like a grinder/flea low roller that I recall. I got the impression he was a very high IQ skilled AP, with a fairly modest bankroll, who severely underacheived from my years of reading him.

  2. #82
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    Ahhhhhh, lickin the labia.during the (.).
    You're a joke...

    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    I'll starve to death before I either eat a hot dog or White Castle.
    Or eat pussy, whether your mom was on or off the rag.

  3. #83
    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post
    You no longer interest me. You're a 30 year AP with 3 years experience. Keep grindin' hobo and may the road be kind. Carry on with your Twitter minions that try to suck any bit of info they can out of you. Anyone who is serious should recognize to not have anything to do with you. You are the sleaze ball. Now quit projecting your weaknesses onto others. I bet if you didn't eat so many $1 hotdogs you wouldn't have shit stained underwear....RIP
    So you got the balls off your chin long enough to make a post, eh, poser pro?

    I recently got thanked again for my analysis of the Harley's. Yeah, it's about extinct now but people made money with my work before they vanished. What have you ever done for the AP community, shit for brains?

    There have been many games I was the first to find, analyze and exploit. Some of them I still haven't divulged. But let's take the 15's, for example. I found, analyzed and exploited the game when it was being beta tested in one casino in a remote part of the country long before they hit the other casinos. And yes, I informed the AP community that the game was coming. Again, what have you ever done for the AP community?

    Do you remember not long ago in a post to blackhole I divulged the exploitable game Scarab Keno? I'm the first AP to find, analyze and exploit it. Have you ever played it? No you haven't. The AP community now knows that the game is out there. What have you ever done for the AP community?

    We all know that your greedy ass hasn't and will never do anything for the AP community.



    3 years experience? I'm the cutting edge, Mr. Poser Pro. Eat your heart out, sniveler.
    maxpen is the shit stain in the underwear of life.

  4. #84
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post
    You no longer interest me. You're a 30 year AP with 3 years experience. Keep grindin' hobo and may the road be kind. Carry on with your Twitter minions that try to suck any bit of info they can out of you. Anyone who is serious should recognize to not have anything to do with you. You are the sleaze ball. Now quit projecting your weaknesses onto others. I bet if you didn't eat so many $1 hotdogs you wouldn't have shit stained underwear....RIP
    So you got the balls off your chin long enough to make a post, eh, poser pro?

    I recently got thanked again for my analysis of the Harley's. Yeah, it's about extinct now but people made money with my work before they vanished. What have you ever done for the AP community, shit for brains?

    There have been many games I was the first to find, analyze and exploit. Some of them I still haven't divulged. But let's take the 15's, for example. I found, analyzed and exploited the game when it was being beta tested in one casino in a remote part of the country long before they hit the other casinos. And yes, I informed the AP community that the game was coming. Again, what have you ever done for the AP community?

    Do you remember not long ago in a post to blackhole I divulged the exploitable game Scarab Keno? I'm the first AP to find, analyze and exploit it. Have you ever played it? No you haven't. The AP community now knows that the game is out there. What have you ever done for the AP community?

    We all know that your greedy ass hasn't and will never do anything for the AP community.



    3 years experience? I'm the cutting edge, Mr. Poser Pro. Eat your heart out, sniveler.
    I rest my case.

  5. #85
    Originally Posted by Ozzy View Post
    Originally Posted by monet View Post
    Tom G showed us how to get a monster edge in sports betting but it requires a massive amount of daily action.
    I think it was something like 20 bets per day, averaging 250k wagered per week.
    I'm probably off on this total amount wagered but I just remember thinking how impossible it would be for me to bet on all those games day in and day out.
    Easy Money... I suppose but the Fucking Leg Work involved is impossible for me to maintain.
    And I have a sun problem.
    When the sun comes up, I go to sleep.
    I haven't read that cesspool in 5 months, but last I recall TomG seemed to know a lot about sports betting in general and other forms of AP. He seemed to wager like a grinder/flea low roller that I recall. I got the impression he was a very high IQ skilled AP, with a fairly modest bankroll, who severely underachieved from my years of reading him.
    Ozzy and various, just to be clear, I would beware of doctors who deliver babies Tuesdays, do brain surgery Wednesdays, and cancer research during their golf games on weekends.

    At WoV, looking as if you know a little about sports betting is about as easy as getting a hoops contract in a league of wheelchair bound dwarves. TomG has been oddly and completely off base about a number of things. Just so you guys know. I'm not getting into some flame debate with somebody who clearly wants to play at being some kind of knowledgeable sports person. But I wouldn't exactly take his advice on faith.

    The whole parlay idiocy at WoV, and TomG is part of it, is unbelievable. Outside of a couple of very specific instances, which Boz and any halfway experienced people know, parlays are really silly.

    A dentist friend from Florida who I partnered with, had a good parlay bettors quote, "Parlays are for poor people."


    There are a lot of people who recommend doing what they don't or can't do gambling-wise, which should raise alarm bells for credibility. These forums are loaded with posers and pseudo-intellectuals, people who play at expertise when they couldn't earn a Ph.D. in what they're babbling if you spotted them a Masters and five years' tuition.

    I thought, initially, that accountinquestion and TomG might be the same person because of their know-everything schtick. People who think sports betting (across all sports, no less) is some easily conquerable gig, some add-on to an AP skills inventory, are on serious drugs. But it seems to be a common myth. My supposition is that most APs dabble in sports gambling. They don't bet enough to feel the losses, and they don't keep meticulous records. I get a kick out of Axel with his, "I know folks who won sports betting , but the edges are too small so they gave it up." I mean, c'mon, sports betting isn't machine play. All you have to do to make more money is bet more....if you can win.

    And, like most people, Axel doesn't even mention people he knows specializing in specific sports. If you are inside sports gambling, that's kind of a dead giveaway that we're in the land of fairy tales.

    This is subjective on my part, but it's my best guess. I think there are, in the U.S., between 100 and 200 individuals or teams who actually win long term betting sports. Some might find this a really small number, but when Betfair was forced to reveal it's number of six-digit winners out of hundreds of thousands of players in horse racing, it was about a dozen. So keep that in mind. Almost everything posted regarding sports betting is bluster and posing.
    Last edited by redietz; 09-12-2021 at 05:56 AM.

  6. #86
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Originally Posted by Ozzy View Post
    Originally Posted by monet View Post
    Tom G showed us how to get a monster edge in sports betting but it requires a massive amount of daily action.
    I think it was something like 20 bets per day, averaging 250k wagered per week.
    I'm probably off on this total amount wagered but I just remember thinking how impossible it would be for me to bet on all those games day in and day out.
    Easy Money... I suppose but the Fucking Leg Work involved is impossible for me to maintain.
    And I have a sun problem.
    When the sun comes up, I go to sleep.
    I haven't read that cesspool in 5 months, but last I recall TomG seemed to know a lot about sports betting in general and other forms of AP. He seemed to wager like a grinder/flea low roller that I recall. I got the impression he was a very high IQ skilled AP, with a fairly modest bankroll, who severely underachieved from my years of reading him.
    The whole parlay idiocy at WoV, and TomG is part of it, is unbelievable. Outside of a couple of very specific instances, which Boz and any halfway experienced people know, parlays are really silly.

    A dentist friend from Florida who I partnered with, had a good parlay bettors quote, "Parlays are for poor people."
    As you said as well, I have always found the discussion of parlays farcical from people who are AP’s. They live off numbers and edges, sometimes small and other times bigger. But in every case they do the math and know the odds before making a play. Parlays go against that in so many ways I find it shocking it’s even a discussion.

    Sports betting is hard enough to pick one winner and a split on 2 games isn’t the worst day if you made the “right” bets for the right reasons. Except in the parlay world of course. And it just seems to be a weakness in otherwise educated gamblers.

    I guess they follow the advice of a man in State College PA who once said “If you can go the first, why not go the Second Mile?”
    Mother Nature is showing who is boss. Nothing we do matters to her.

  7. #87
    I have some background stories regarding the Second Mile and all that. I'll pass them along one of these days. Years before Second Mile was (partially) exposed, a friend of mine who was a small-town cop ran into a situation that strongly indicated a very organized ring in State College that passed people around to folks all over the country. This was years before anybody knew about Sandusky. My friend experienced a quashing of elements of an investigation back then. State police diverted it from a broad investigation that could have been trafficking and drugs into just a narrow drug investigation. He couldn't understand why, but it was beyond his pay grade. He asked me to poke around a little in State College (I lived there at the time) to see if I could locate a particular doctor who went by various AKAs. I couldn't find anything.

    There are still records that went missing regarding who donated what to the Second Mile for a period of about three years. Those records going missing was no accident.

  8. #88
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Originally Posted by Ozzy View Post
    Originally Posted by monet View Post
    Tom G showed us how to get a monster edge in sports betting but it requires a massive amount of daily action.
    I think it was something like 20 bets per day, averaging 250k wagered per week.
    I'm probably off on this total amount wagered but I just remember thinking how impossible it would be for me to bet on all those games day in and day out.
    Easy Money... I suppose but the Fucking Leg Work involved is impossible for me to maintain.
    And I have a sun problem.
    When the sun comes up, I go to sleep.
    I haven't read that cesspool in 5 months, but last I recall TomG seemed to know a lot about sports betting in general and other forms of AP. He seemed to wager like a grinder/flea low roller that I recall. I got the impression he was a very high IQ skilled AP, with a fairly modest bankroll, who severely underachieved from my years of reading him.
    Ozzy and various, just to be clear, I would beware of doctors who deliver babies Tuesdays, do brain surgery Wednesdays, and cancer research during their golf games on weekends.

    At WoV, looking as if you know a little about sports betting is about as easy as getting a hoops contract in a league of wheelchair bound dwarves. TomG has been oddly and completely off base about a number of things. Just so you guys know. I'm not getting into some flame debate with somebody who clearly wants to play at being some kind of knowledgeable sports person. But I wouldn't exactly take his advice on faith.

    The whole parlay idiocy at WoV, and TomG is part of it, is unbelievable. Outside of a couple of very specific instances, which Boz and any halfway experienced people know, parlays are really silly.

    A dentist friend from Florida who I partnered with, had a good parlay bettors quote, "Parlays are for poor people."


    There are a lot of people who recommend doing what they don't or can't do gambling-wise, which should raise alarm bells for credibility. These forums are loaded with posers and pseudo-intellectuals, people who play at expertise when they couldn't earn a Ph.D. in what they're babbling if you spotted them a Masters and five years' tuition.

    I thought, initially, that accountinquestion and TomG might be the same person because of their know-everything schtick. People who think sports betting (across all sports, no less) is some easily conquerable gig, some add-on to an AP skills inventory, are on serious drugs. But it seems to be a common myth. My supposition is that most APs dabble in sports gambling. They don't bet enough to feel the losses, and they don't keep meticulous records. I get a kick out of Axel with his, "I know folks who won sports betting , but the edges are too small so they gave it up." I mean, c'mon, sports betting isn't machine play. All you have to do to make more money is bet more....if you can win.

    And, like most people, Axel doesn't even mention people he knows specializing in specific sports. If you are inside sports gambling, that's kind of a dead giveaway that we're in the land of fairy tales.

    This is subjective on my part, but it's my best guess. I think there are, in the U.S., between 100 and 200 individuals or teams who actually win long term betting sports. Some might find this a really small number, but when Betfair was forced to reveal it's number of six-digit winners out of hundreds of thousands of players in horse racing, it was about a dozen. So keep that in mind. Almost everything posted regarding sports betting is bluster and posing.
    Your a hell of a lot more knowledgeable about sports betting then myself Comrade. There is ZERO chance Accountinquestion is TomG. I strongly believe he's a regular who migrated over from PFA.

  9. #89
    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post
    You no longer interest me. You're a 30 year AP with 3 years experience. Keep grindin' hobo and may the road be kind. Carry on with your Twitter minions that try to suck any bit of info they can out of you. Anyone who is serious should recognize to not have anything to do with you. You are the sleaze ball. Now quit projecting your weaknesses onto others. I bet if you didn't eat so many $1 hotdogs you wouldn't have shit stained underwear....RIP
    So you got the balls off your chin long enough to make a post, eh, poser pro?

    I recently got thanked again for my analysis of the Harley's. Yeah, it's about extinct now but people made money with my work before they vanished. What have you ever done for the AP community, shit for brains?

    There have been many games I was the first to find, analyze and exploit. Some of them I still haven't divulged. But let's take the 15's, for example. I found, analyzed and exploited the game when it was being beta tested in one casino in a remote part of the country long before they hit the other casinos. And yes, I informed the AP community that the game was coming. Again, what have you ever done for the AP community?

    Do you remember not long ago in a post to blackhole I divulged the exploitable game Scarab Keno? I'm the first AP to find, analyze and exploit it. Have you ever played it? No you haven't. The AP community now knows that the game is out there. What have you ever done for the AP community?

    We all know that your greedy ass hasn't and will never do anything for the AP community.



    3 years experience? I'm the cutting edge, Mr. Poser Pro. Eat your heart out, sniveler.
    I rest my case.
    You’re an idiot. Max puke rests his case that he never has and will never do anything for the AP community. Greedy, selfish piece of shit.
    maxpen is the shit stain in the underwear of life.

  10. #90
    Yeah, I realized after a time that it wasn't unusual for a number of posters to say offhandedly that they won at "sports" betting, no big deal, edges are small, and blah, blah. Like it was learning to play deuces wild video poker or something. Account says it. TomG says it. Axel says it. I'm sure there's a dozen of the regulars at WoV who more or less believe it. So what I thought was unusual enough to tie account and TomG together was instead some basic belief by the majority of the alleged "advantage players" online.

  11. #91
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Yeah, I realized after a time that it wasn't unusual for a number of posters to say offhandedly that they won at "sports" betting, no big deal, edges are small, and blah, blah. Like it was learning to play deuces wild video poker or something. Account says it. TomG says it. Axel says it. I'm sure there's a dozen of the regulars at WoV who more or less believe it. So what I thought was unusual enough to tie account and TomG together was instead some basic belief by the majority of the alleged "advantage players" online.
    They are nothing alike. Accountinquestion, sounds and acts like someone over at the sister site. Then again you have people on these forums that are very talented at doing 90-180 degree personality changes with many of their socks/dupes ( not Tasha). One hard-core in particular is very talented to say the least. It takes a high IQ and an unstable mind to pull it off properly. Gotta love open/free forums

  12. #92
    Fuck All this Bullshit.
    Tell me how to make 4000 dollars per week with low swings and no risk of being thrown out of the Casino.
    I'm listening and ready to learn.

  13. #93
    Originally Posted by Ozzy View Post
    I haven't read that cesspool in 5 months, but last I recall TomG seemed to know a lot about sports betting in general and other forms of AP. He seemed to wager like a grinder/flea low roller that I recall. I got the impression he was a very high IQ skilled AP, with a fairly modest bankroll, who severely underacheived from my years of reading him.
    I always thought tominnv was TomG.
    tominnv posted some ways to go about sports betting here at VCT.
    Seemed to know what he was talking about but like I say it was constant action day in and day out.

  14. #94
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Yeah, I realized after a time that it wasn't unusual for a number of posters to say offhandedly that they won at "sports" betting, no big deal, edges are small, and blah, blah. Like it was learning to play deuces wild video poker or something. Account says it. TomG says it. Axel says it. I'm sure there's a dozen of the regulars at WoV who more or less believe it. So what I thought was unusual enough to tie account and TomG together was instead some basic belief by the majority of the alleged "advantage players" online.
    Redietz, what’s your opinion of the Wizard’s half point parlay card strategy? They said they had trouble getting the books to take those bets.
    maxpen is the shit stain in the underwear of life.

  15. #95
    I'm going to give you guys who want to figure out the identity of certain posters a hint.

    There was a precursor of sorts to this site, same software, also run by Todd. Think farther back than PFA.

  16. #96
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Yeah, I realized after a time that it wasn't unusual for a number of posters to say offhandedly that they won at "sports" betting, no big deal, edges are small, and blah, blah. Like it was learning to play deuces wild video poker or something. Account says it. TomG says it. Axel says it. I'm sure there's a dozen of the regulars at WoV who more or less believe it. So what I thought was unusual enough to tie account and TomG together was instead some basic belief by the majority of the alleged "advantage players" online.
    Redietz, what’s your opinion of the Wizard’s half point parlay card strategy? They said they had trouble getting the books to take those bets.
    You didn’t ask me, but my opinion is it was a sound money making strategy over time IF you could play it. But it wasn’t feasible because once (or before) he publicly put it out there, it wasn’t available. It’s like saying playing $4950 AGS slots are a winning strategy, but obviously you can’t find them everyday.
    Mother Nature is showing who is boss. Nothing we do matters to her.

  17. #97
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Yeah, I realized after a time that it wasn't unusual for a number of posters to say offhandedly that they won at "sports" betting, no big deal, edges are small, and blah, blah. Like it was learning to play deuces wild video poker or something. Account says it. TomG says it. Axel says it. I'm sure there's a dozen of the regulars at WoV who more or less believe it. So what I thought was unusual enough to tie account and TomG together was instead some basic belief by the majority of the alleged "advantage players" online.
    Redietz, what’s your opinion of the Wizard’s half point parlay card strategy? They said they had trouble getting the books to take those bets.
    Mickey and Boz, I don't know Shackleford's half point parlay card strategy, but if it's the usual parlay card strategy, it dates back a good 40 years to the Stardust. Let me know what his strategy is, and I can tell you if it's the old standard.

    I know about two years ago some gambling publications did features on a parlay card strategy as if it were a new thing and interviewed one of the guys doing it in LV. As is usually the case, the only thing novel about it was that somebody opened their mouth and gave interviews -- as opposed to 40 years ago everybody had the sense to keep their traps shut (or wind up in a wheelchair).

    Remember when I said there are a couple of rare instances when parlays make sense? One of them is this. Let me know what the Wiz's strategy is and I'll let you know if it's a match.

    And if it is the old strategy, I'll tell you -- even the Stardust gave me a hard time when I was doing it. And I wasn't doing it in a serious fashion to gouge them. I was more or less killing time because I had to get a seat two hours or more before kickoff on Saturdays, and I figured this was a worthwhile time killer. I had a manager eyeballing me every time I went to a window just because of the parlay card idea. They wouldn't shut me down, but they limited me to $50 a whack or something like that. They actually took a bit of offense to me doing it.

    P.S. I'm in a semi-magnanimous mood because the Broncos allowed Jones to walk into the end zone on the last play, winning an Over teaser for me (Jones had fumbled on first and goal running two possessions prior). So that gave me the weekend in the black, and I'll take it as that's three weekends in the black thus far.
    Last edited by redietz; 09-12-2021 at 03:50 PM.

  18. #98
    https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gamb...-parlay-cards/

    It’s a long read and not sure if his version is something you dealt with years ago. But again it made sense on paper, like so many other things. In practically it wasn’t an option.
    Mother Nature is showing who is boss. Nothing we do matters to her.

  19. #99
    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post
    https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gamb...-parlay-cards/

    It’s a long read and not sure if his version is something you dealt with years ago. But again it made sense on paper, like so many other things. In practically it wasn’t an option.

    Thanks, Boz. I am impressed by Shackleford's analyses and attention to detail. Having said that, it's kind of like watching a by-the-numbers trumpet player trying to make a living in a jazz band.

    What Shackleford is doing is a partial and somewhat vanilla version of what people have done with a little more nuance for 40 years. This subject deserves about an hour long video session, so I'm not going to type it all out with a game in 10 minutes. I'll get back to it tomorrow.

    The thing is, I could show you a better, more sophisticated version of this. I don't think Shackleford got anything terribly wrong here, but he is prioritizing the wrong thing and the wrong sport. Well, I guess that does mean he kind of got some things wrong if the priorities are wrong. But he has the gist of it right. And he is correct about limitations. Back in the day, as I said, the Stardust was limiting me to $50 a card (in today's money that's between $200 and $250). I know of coordinated folks who, back then, were going after Boyd properties big time with parlay cards as their main strategy. Sort of flying blind if you don't actually know the teams involved, but that's what they were doing, and the books were fighting the exposure, but these guys were swooping in and hitting all the Boyd shops simultaneously for as much as they could get down on the cards.

    As I said, it's a lecture session.

  20. #100
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Yeah, I realized after a time that it wasn't unusual for a number of posters to say offhandedly that they won at "sports" betting, no big deal, edges are small, and blah, blah. Like it was learning to play deuces wild video poker or something. Account says it. TomG says it. Axel says it. I'm sure there's a dozen of the regulars at WoV who more or less believe it. So what I thought was unusual enough to tie account and TomG together was instead some basic belief by the majority of the alleged "advantage players" online.
    Lol you've brought me up twice now? I specifically explained about my most recent experience with sports betting. you are just so stuck on it because SPORTS BETTING IS YOUR IDENTITY.

    I've never claimed to know that much. I am likely smarter than you. I've called out your nonsense a couple of times. This should not be conflated with me thinking or claiming to know much.

    You're the one who claims to know so much with all your pontificating. (that you're often called out on.)

    The only reason you bring this up in regards to me, is because I specifically said there isn't that much to "sports betting". Handicapping? Sure but thats waaay different. I also explained how I only bet for 1/2 a football season in the past decade and beat it solidly but my ROI was 2-3% which would be about the same as VIG or less AFAIK. I explained what I did and how it was a function of weak lines + no vig. I couldn't replicate it because AFAIK it was a one-off book with the promo I exploited. This was a B&M bookie with an online site.

    Just like every gambling angle, you have to find someone willing to gamble WITH you and at a negative expectation, whether machines or anything else. If you can find somewhere that gives you a solid prediction like Pinnacle (duh been that way forever) and someone with weak enough lines who will pay up, then you can beat it. That doesn't mean it is worth anyone's time or anything else except that yes, you can beat sports betting without knowing shit about the sports. It is meta gambling math and anyone I'd consider "sharp" should be able to figure it out. These people are surprisingly rare but they're out there and I'm sure there are many on this board.

    You bring up "horse bettors" as an example of sports betting. Unless there is some auxillary line, then horse betting is so unbeatable because the of the vig. Horrible example to extrapolate into winning sports bettors.

    ---

    Anyway, I have been meaning to post about Mickey. If he'd stay away from the dick talk he's a pretty good troll who does give a lot of stuff to the slot machine community. I don't give but I don't fault him and his writing out his thought processes is invaluable. His interviews are great and he's a real character. Doesn't seem to make up shit about himself or paint himself to be anything he isn't. I respect that.

    Mick - stay off the dick jokes and stay on target to up your troll game to the maximum. There was some good stuff in this thread. We learned so much about Maxpen and his lifestyle on Freemont (lol jk)

    If I ever see Mickey checking a machine I'd be tempted to say something to him but he's threatened to put a bullet in me on sight or something like that so I'll have to refrain giving him thanks. He gets a little full of himself in the value he thinks he gives. His value is often in things he doesn't realize. Regardless, I hope he does well and the day I heard he had a heart attack I was bummed a bit.

    ---

    Singer?

    That fucking air thief isn't worth talking about. Beyond pathetic. A little barking chihuaha pops in my head every time I start to read a post of his . (when I'm not logged in). Just trying as hard as he can.. yip yip yip.

    ---

    Maxpen? He is like most of the other APs on here. Seems like a normal guy. Presumably knows his stuff but I have no way to ascertain that. He's probably on a list of about 5 people on here that I'd meet in person because behind it all they seem somewhat sane.
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    I said enough for 5 posts so I will go back into the ether. Been gambling the machines a lot lately. Fun times but would hate to do it for a living. I'm tired of playing poker for the most part.
    God bless this forum. You people are precious.

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