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  1. #41
    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post

    That said they probably both enjoy the banter and insults flying back and forth. It’s what we do here most of the time. Gambling talk and info is just a diversion.
    And this has been one of my gripes forever. There is no need for all the name calling and attacks among APs.

    I have only gotten into that with a couple players that I don't believe are APs and have claims that defy the math of advantage play. Claims of progression wagering, stop limits, "special plays" and winning every or nearly every session. That is fantasy stuff.

    But all this backandforth among APs, I don't 'get'. Seems to be a pissing contest. Is it about envy that someone might be doing better or doing things differently? I seriously have none of that towards any fellow AP.

    Probably almost every AP is doing better than me.

    I also don't get the issue with anyone saying what they make on a particular play or more long term like annually. It's a gambling forum with talk of gambling.

    Of course this outrage is selective and dependant on other feuds and dislikes of people. For instance:

    I say what I make (even during bad years) and there is outrage.

    Mickey just said the same and no or less outrage.

    Monet just posted he is experiencing real good results at the moment....+$62k recently. No outrage.

    THIS is what gambling talk is.

    I don't view it as anyone bragging, just sharing results. Maybe one guy is doing it in a bragging way...the nit wit insisting he is the greatest to ever set foot in Vegas, when his own results contradict that.

    I just don't get all this outrage. If someone wants to share results fine. If others don't feel comfortable with that and don't want to, that is fine also. But I mean really....isnt that what gambling is about, whether playing with an advantage or not?

  2. #42
    BoSox gave me outrage and subtle scoffing.
    He was clever in the way he used the needles.
    He attacked me for a few weeks with the hammer but decided to take a softer tone in the last few months.
    Don't matter.
    I'm tired of posting the jackpots, cash, information and other shared experiences.
    When I was posting sports tickets and picks I realized how easy it would be to hide losing information or spin the story in any direction I wanted so I stopped because I realized I can't really prove anything and it only harms me for the most part.

  3. #43
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    I suppose one particular approach would be to determine the inventory of Regal Riches in Vegas which of course involves tremendous leg work. And then determine the hours of the day when certain Regal Riches at certain locations have a lack of other hustlers. Check the Minis on them for 9s - the minors,majors, and megas can be seen from afar (https://vegascasinotalk.com/forum/at...1&d=1629109282) for a given denom, but for machines with multiple denoms (1c,5c,25c. or whatever they may be) you are almost in the same spot as you are in for the Minis - you must manually switch the denom and then look them off for plays (with the Minis you have to check each of the levels for that denom). For the non-Mini banked games (minor,major,mega) you can use Mickey's numbers (https://vegascasinotalk.com/forum/sh...l=1#post130777) and RTP adjustments for tight (CZR) or loose properties. I've seen people get lucky taking 7s on the Minis, but I use 9 at a place I like to work. As a lot of people know, what makes this game a future Vulture Hall of Fame game, is what the Mini banked games do to the variance - it decimates the bank roll required to spin off the higher banked game levels (Minor,Major and Mega) plus it can pay off huge in and of itself as it did for JBJB. BTW vulturing UXs at Circa seems to work for some people since Millennials are leaving a lot of multipliers I heard.
    BTW, I believe Slots of Fun at Circus Circus has $1 dogs (https://i.imgur.com/rAcheCm.png).

    Cheers, TP.
    Nobody gonna acknowledge this post?
    tableplay showing off his wallpaper ability!
    You need to be more confrontational.
    Remember when that AP guy was giving you shit constantly and you actually had to sling mud?
    Good Times.

    Lightning and Thunder just now outside my window with a flash downpour.
    Need stronger rain and wind to break up that homeless camp around the corner.
    I don't mind buying them dinner or giving them a few bucks but it drives me batshit crazy when they start camping near my house.
    Maybe I need to move to a gated community or a farm.

  4. #44
    [QUOTE=MaxPen;132134]
    Originally Posted by Mission146 View Post
    I agree with MickeyCrimm that you're not really finding 3-3-3-3-3 on Aladdin; I'm almost positive I never have. There were a lot of $6 Alladins in Vegas at one point
    A $500 bankroll is overkill for playing $6 Aladdin's. I thought you didn't lower yourself to such standards.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  5. #45
    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post

    It wasn't one point per lantern. The formula I used for that was

    Reels 1-3=2 points
    Reel 4= 1 point
    Reel 5= .5 point

    15 or greater equals play

    It was just something I came up with after I saw it on the floor.

    It doesn't take me writing a book to explain some 2 bit machine play. I don't need to consult with a hobo think tank on Twitter and other places to figure these machines out as they appear. I simply play them when they come out and draw my own conclusions.

    There were a lot of $6 Alladins in Vegas at one point
    This is a dead giveaway that maxiepad is following me on Twitter. He’s safe from me blocking him because I have 1200 followers on Twitter. To much time involved in rooting out the sock puppet name he uses. And why does he follow me. Obvious. He’s looking for any information he can use. But the phony ass will tell you he don’t need anyone’s help.
    Anyone that knows me knows I don't Twitter. Trust that you have no info that I want or need.
    Anyone that knows you doesn't know your secret twitter handle.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  6. #46
    Originally Posted by Mission146 View Post
    I'm more interested in what MC thinks of my opinion on Reel 4 sometimes being a factor.

    You guys should hang out sometime. You'd probably like each other.
    I'm somewhat spoiled on the Aladdin variant called Golden Jungle where I know the machines are 92% payback. I've done thousands of plays. I'll play any configuration of 5 points on the first 3 reels and I don't pay attention to the 4th and 5th reels.

    But in places with lower payback I like your strategy better now that I've seen it.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  7. #47
    Originally Posted by mcap View Post
    Mickey 0.2x back in the saddle, can dish it out but can’t take it..
    I took you off restriction, er, ignore, too. I take it and dish it out to. For years I dished it out to Rob and took it from him too. I take a licking and keep on ticking. If I couldn't take it I'd be gone, bozo.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  8. #48
    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post
    Originally Posted by Mission146 View Post
    I'm more interested in what MC thinks of my opinion on Reel 4 sometimes being a factor. Can we talk about gambling here at least once in a while?

    You guys should hang out sometime. You'd probably like each other.
    Said the same thing before. Sad to see 2 good people go back and forth like this. Both have much more knowledge than the other wants to admit.

    That said they probably both enjoy the banter and insults flying back and forth. It’s what we do here most of the time. Gambling talk and info is just a diversion.

    As for Reel 4, I’m also with you in hearing more, the more opinions and results the better. It’s how some of us learn.
    maxpuke and I used to get along fine until he started trolling me because of my opinion on the doubble up bug. His hatred for Singer caused him to start attacking me for just stating an honest opinion. Did anyone see him call me KJ's manservant when I voiced the opinion that KJ was the best card counter in Vegas? No. But when I voiced an opinion that was favorable to Singer maxiepad went beserk on me. It's not up to me to make peace. It's up to the asshole that started it.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  9. #49
    Originally Posted by monet View Post
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    I suppose one particular approach would be to determine the inventory of Regal Riches in Vegas which of course involves tremendous leg work. And then determine the hours of the day when certain Regal Riches at certain locations have a lack of other hustlers. Check the Minis on them for 9s - the minors,majors, and megas can be seen from afar (https://vegascasinotalk.com/forum/at...1&d=1629109282) for a given denom, but for machines with multiple denoms (1c,5c,25c. or whatever they may be) you are almost in the same spot as you are in for the Minis - you must manually switch the denom and then look them off for plays (with the Minis you have to check each of the levels for that denom). For the non-Mini banked games (minor,major,mega) you can use Mickey's numbers (https://vegascasinotalk.com/forum/sh...l=1#post130777) and RTP adjustments for tight (CZR) or loose properties. I've seen people get lucky taking 7s on the Minis, but I use 9 at a place I like to work. As a lot of people know, what makes this game a future Vulture Hall of Fame game, is what the Mini banked games do to the variance - it decimates the bank roll required to spin off the higher banked game levels (Minor,Major and Mega) plus it can pay off huge in and of itself as it did for JBJB. BTW vulturing UXs at Circa seems to work for some people since Millennials are leaving a lot of multipliers I heard.
    BTW, I believe Slots of Fun at Circus Circus has $1 dogs (https://i.imgur.com/rAcheCm.png).

    Cheers, TP.
    Nobody gonna acknowledge this post?
    tableplay showing off his wallpaper ability!
    You need to be more confrontational.
    Remember when that AP guy was giving you shit constantly and you actually had to sling mud?
    Good Times.

    Lightning and Thunder just now outside my window with a flash downpour.
    Need stronger rain and wind to break up that homeless camp around the corner.
    I don't mind buying them dinner or giving them a few bucks but it drives me batshit crazy when they start camping near my house.
    Maybe I need to move to a gated community or a farm.
    I agree with Tableplay that in current conditions you should prey on casinos with Regal Riches...as long as there are ample ancillary plays there too.

    I'm still collecting RR stats to zero in on playable numbers. This is a game where you can drive a decent enough wager to maybe get some freebies out of the casino. And it's easy to bury the win/show a loss by pulling the card when the number is just a couple away from the top.

    I recently played some RR's at a CZR property. The 15's were 85% there so I felt the RR's probably were 85% too. I think I detected a pattern with the low payback RR's. The greens come out only one at a time. You never catch two, three or four. That would stretch the cycle out, consequently, lower payback.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  10. #50
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by monet View Post
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    I suppose one particular approach would be to determine the inventory of Regal Riches in Vegas which of course involves tremendous leg work. And then determine the hours of the day when certain Regal Riches at certain locations have a lack of other hustlers. Check the Minis on them for 9s - the minors,majors, and megas can be seen from afar (https://vegascasinotalk.com/forum/at...1&d=1629109282) for a given denom, but for machines with multiple denoms (1c,5c,25c. or whatever they may be) you are almost in the same spot as you are in for the Minis - you must manually switch the denom and then look them off for plays (with the Minis you have to check each of the levels for that denom). For the non-Mini banked games (minor,major,mega) you can use Mickey's numbers (https://vegascasinotalk.com/forum/sh...l=1#post130777) and RTP adjustments for tight (CZR) or loose properties. I've seen people get lucky taking 7s on the Minis, but I use 9 at a place I like to work. As a lot of people know, what makes this game a future Vulture Hall of Fame game, is what the Mini banked games do to the variance - it decimates the bank roll required to spin off the higher banked game levels (Minor,Major and Mega) plus it can pay off huge in and of itself as it did for JBJB. BTW vulturing UXs at Circa seems to work for some people since Millennials are leaving a lot of multipliers I heard.
    BTW, I believe Slots of Fun at Circus Circus has $1 dogs (https://i.imgur.com/rAcheCm.png).

    Cheers, TP.
    Nobody gonna acknowledge this post?
    tableplay showing off his wallpaper ability!
    You need to be more confrontational.
    Remember when that AP guy was giving you shit constantly and you actually had to sling mud?
    Good Times.

    Lightning and Thunder just now outside my window with a flash downpour.
    Need stronger rain and wind to break up that homeless camp around the corner.
    I don't mind buying them dinner or giving them a few bucks but it drives me batshit crazy when they start camping near my house.
    Maybe I need to move to a gated community or a farm.
    I agree with Tableplay that in current conditions you should prey on casinos with Regal Riches...as long as there are ample ancillary plays there too.

    I'm still collecting RR stats to zero in on playable numbers. This is a game where you can drive a decent enough wager to maybe get some freebies out of the casino. And it's easy to bury the win/show a loss by pulling the card when the number is just a couple away from the top.

    I recently played some RR's at a CZR property. The 15's were 85% there so I felt the RR's probably were 85% too. I think I detected a pattern with the low payback RR's. The greens come out only one at a time. You never catch two, three or four. That would stretch the cycle out, consequently, lower payback.
    You're looking for playable numbers on that game still??? That has to be a joke. Ploppies have already figured that game out and won't hardly play it anymore because the Asian vulture teams post sentries on each bank to swoop in and clean away any scrap that manages to get left.

    For Christ sake, the tweakers have figured it out......lol..... They plop down on it and search out hobos like yourself to give them a 50% freeroll on any win to give up the machine.

    Maybe you and your hobo brain trust on Twitter should work harder on that one......lol....That's another game ready to go into the history books.
    Last edited by MaxPen; 09-10-2021 at 05:46 PM.

  11. #51
    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by monet View Post

    Nobody gonna acknowledge this post?
    tableplay showing off his wallpaper ability!
    You need to be more confrontational.
    Remember when that AP guy was giving you shit constantly and you actually had to sling mud?
    Good Times.

    Lightning and Thunder just now outside my window with a flash downpour.
    Need stronger rain and wind to break up that homeless camp around the corner.
    I don't mind buying them dinner or giving them a few bucks but it drives me batshit crazy when they start camping near my house.
    Maybe I need to move to a gated community or a farm.
    I agree with Tableplay that in current conditions you should prey on casinos with Regal Riches...as long as there are ample ancillary plays there too.

    I'm still collecting RR stats to zero in on playable numbers. This is a game where you can drive a decent enough wager to maybe get some freebies out of the casino. And it's easy to bury the win/show a loss by pulling the card when the number is just a couple away from the top.

    I recently played some RR's at a CZR property. The 15's were 85% there so I felt the RR's probably were 85% too. I think I detected a pattern with the low payback RR's. The greens come out only one at a time. You never catch two, three or four. That would stretch the cycle out, consequently, lower payback.
    You're looking for playable numbers on that game still??? That has to be a joke. Ploppies have already figured that game out and won't hardly play it anymore because the Asian vulture teams post sentries on each bank to swoop in and clean away any scrap that manages to get left.

    For Christ sake, the tweakers have figured it out......lol..... They plop down on it and search out hobos like yourself to give them a 50% freeroll on any win to give up the machine.

    Maybe you and your hobo brain trust on Twitter should work harder on that one......lol....That's another game ready to go into the history books.
    Pure out nonsense. You're a petty, vindictive lowlife looking for any scrap of shit to throw at the wall and see if it will stick. The game has not been in my area that long and their are not that many machines. Nothing like what a town like Las Vegas would have. I don't get RR plays every day or even every week. So the stat collecting is slow, Mr. "I hate Singer and anyone who says anything favorable about him!" You really need to grow up.

    I have playable numbers, idiot. But can they be lowered is the question. The answer requires more stats than I have.

    Earlier in this thread you bragged about being a bigshot that wouldn't stoop to vulturing especially if it was worth only $600 a day. But when Monet enquired about that $600 a day you seen you got blindsided. Didn't see it coming. You did the only thing you could, blew smoke and mirrors.

    You don't lower yourself to walking the casinos and vulturing? Then how the hell would you know what the plops and asians are doing.

    You just tell one fucking lie after another and think nobody knows. Pathetic idiot.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  12. #52
    Originally Posted by monet View Post
    Remember when that AP guy was giving you shit constantly and you actually had to sling mud?
    Good Times.
    LOL, yes.

  13. #53
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post

    I agree with Tableplay that in current conditions you should prey on casinos with Regal Riches...as long as there are ample ancillary plays there too.

    I'm still collecting RR stats to zero in on playable numbers. This is a game where you can drive a decent enough wager to maybe get some freebies out of the casino. And it's easy to bury the win/show a loss by pulling the card when the number is just a couple away from the top.

    I recently played some RR's at a CZR property. The 15's were 85% there so I felt the RR's probably were 85% too. I think I detected a pattern with the low payback RR's. The greens come out only one at a time. You never catch two, three or four. That would stretch the cycle out, consequently, lower payback.
    You're looking for playable numbers on that game still??? That has to be a joke. Ploppies have already figured that game out and won't hardly play it anymore because the Asian vulture teams post sentries on each bank to swoop in and clean away any scrap that manages to get left.

    For Christ sake, the tweakers have figured it out......lol..... They plop down on it and search out hobos like yourself to give them a 50% freeroll on any win to give up the machine.

    Maybe you and your hobo brain trust on Twitter should work harder on that one......lol....That's another game ready to go into the history books.
    Pure out nonsense. You're a petty, vindictive lowlife looking for any scrap of shit to throw at the wall and see if it will stick. The game has not been in my area that long and their are not that many machines. Nothing like what a town like Las Vegas would have. I don't get RR plays every day or even every week. So the stat collecting is slow, Mr. "I hate Singer and anyone who says anything favorable about him!" You really need to grow up.

    I have playable numbers, idiot. But can they be lowered is the question. The answer requires more stats than I have.

    Earlier in this thread you bragged about being a bigshot that wouldn't stoop to vulturing especially if it was worth only $600 a day. But when Monet enquired about that $600 a day you seen you got blindsided. Didn't see it coming. You did the only thing you could, blew smoke and mirrors.

    You don't lower yourself to walking the casinos and vulturing? Then how the hell would you know what the plops and asians are doing.

    You just tell one fucking lie after another and think nobody knows. Pathetic idiot.
    Trust that there isn't much on the casino floor that I don't see. I can pick out the hobos like you from across the room. I never said that I wouldn't vulture.

    I said if I wanted to do that I could in my own backyard. That's your problem. You don't comprehend what you read. Did Rob accidentally stick you in the eyeball last time you were polishing the front 9?

    If Monet wants info he knows where to find me. I am certainly not going to shoot out any info publicly unlike yourself. 80% of the idiots walking around these casinos taking plays couldn't find their way out of a paper bag if it wasn't for bozos like you trying to prove they know something. Maybe someone will send you advanced Regal numbers and you can ship them out to the minions that follow you on Twitter.....lol

  14. #54
    For starters, I just have some basic questions that I think could be answered publicly.
    If a person can average 600 dollars per day for 365 days per year, in Vegas, that seems like a pretty damn good annual salary.
    $219,000 dollars to be exact and that should be in the form of tax free cash, I would imagine.
    This doesn't even factor in comps or mailers.
    It's impressive to say the least.

    I would be happy with 250 days of work per year and an average of 400 dollars per day.
    That's a smooth 100 grand per year.
    It's not exactly baller money but I'd be A OK with that figure.
    Especially if this is something that can be done alone, with little exposure and very low risk or swings.

    So I guess those are the first questions.
    Can you make an easy 100k per year in Vegas without an intricate network of worker bees, 50k starting bankroll, little to no Heat and not having to walk daily marathons??

    I can see one problem about this discussion for Max, if this is easily achievable.
    He isn't going to want to share the information, which would cause indirect competition, which could draw massive heat and lower his daily average.
    On the other hand it appears that a 600 dollar a day average, for MaxPen, isn't even worth his time.
    It would appear that he is averaging well over that figure, according to his previous post, that first peaked my interest.
    I barely read any of the posts because its mostly just MC and Max bashing each other but as I was skimming through the words, that 600 dollar a day backyard comment hit me like a deer in the headlights!
    I believe it is possible but the landscape has changed in such a drastic way that my knowledge and methods have become obsolete.
    "Adapt or Die" -Pieter Willem Botha-
    Last edited by monet; 09-10-2021 at 11:09 PM.

  15. #55
    Tom G showed us how to get a monster edge in sports betting but it requires a massive amount of daily action.
    I think it was something like 20 bets per day, averaging 250k wagered per week.
    I'm probably off on this total amount wagered but I just remember thinking how impossible it would be for me to bet on all those games day in and day out.
    Easy Money... I suppose but the Fucking Leg Work involved is impossible for me to maintain.
    And I have a sun problem.
    When the sun comes up, I go to sleep.

  16. #56
    Originally Posted by mcap View Post
    $1.25 by the south point sportsbooking place, not quite $1. Costco count?
    Good Looking Out!
    I forgot about the sportsbook hot dogs.
    The Orleans used to be 75 cents but I'm sure that changed.
    SouthPoint, El Cortel... etc. etc.
    I don't mind making a bet at the window but I haven't sat down and watched a game in the book for a very long time.
    I have a bunch of Hebrew National All Natural Hot Dogs in the Freezer.
    I think they cost 75 cents each after coupon and sale price.
    Hebrew National Hot Dogs should be Kosher to talk about on this site and forum!
    Even though Nathans are from the Gentiles and not Kosher they still make a pretty good dog IMO.
    When we get into those Dumb Pollock's and their Polish Sausage we are moving up a notch or two in the meat tube world, once again... IMO.

    Best Hot Dogs I ever ate were in Hollywood near the Chinese Theater.
    Street Vendor used to make them on a flat top grill outside on the sidewalk.
    I have no clue what brand or exactly how he cooked them but by far the best tasting Hot Dog ever and that was 20 years ago.
    I only got to eat them for 2 weekends in a row but never forgot them.
    I can still sort of see the guys face who sold them.
    Those dogs were the oversized kind.
    Sort of like Knockwurst but definitely not Knockwurst... those were Hot Dogs... Best Damn Hot Dogs in the world... EVER!

    You Fuckers better not be putting ketchup on your Hot Dogs.
    That's a Fucking Violation.
    Everyone knows that mustard is the only acceptable condiment.
    You can put all that Chicago Bullshit on your dogs and eggs, bacon and onions but don't ever put Ketchup on a Hot Dog.
    Last edited by monet; 09-11-2021 at 12:22 AM.

  17. #57
    Originally Posted by monet View Post
    For starters, I just have some basic questions that I think could be answered publicly.
    If a person can average 600 dollars per day for 365 days per year, in Vegas, that seems like a pretty damn good annual salary.
    $219,000 dollars to be exact and that should be in the form of tax free cash, I would imagine.
    This doesn't even factor in comps or mailers.
    It's impressive to say the least.

    I would be happy with 250 days of work per year and an average of 400 dollars per day.
    That's a smooth 100 grand per year.
    It's not exactly baller money but I'd be A OK with that figure.
    Especially if this is something that can be done alone, with little exposure and very low risk or swings.

    So I guess those are the first questions.
    Can you make an easy 100k per year in Vegas without an intricate network of worker bees, 50k starting bankroll, little to no Heat and not having to walk daily marathons??

    I can see one problem about this discussion for Max, if this is easily achievable.
    He isn't going to want to share the information, which would cause indirect competition, which could draw massive heat and lower his daily average.
    On the other hand it appears that a 600 dollar a day average, for MaxPen, isn't even worth his time.
    It would appear that he is averaging well over that figure, according to his previous post, that first peaked my interest.
    I barely read any of the posts because its mostly just MC and Max bashing each other but as I was skimming through the words, that 600 dollar a day backyard comment hit me like a deer in the headlights!
    I believe it is possible but the landscape has changed in such a drastic way that my knowledge and methods have become obsolete.
    "Adapt or Die" -Pieter Willem Botha-
    I seem to have severely underestimated the participants on this forum to some extent. Unless people are fucking with me. Either way I am done talking after this. For the simple fact it is real clear to me that I have no idea who the fuck I am talking with on here. I generally have no problems discussing stuff with people I know and have sized up.

    If you are vulturing you are walking. Not sure why that is looked at as a bad thing. Guess a person could get a scooter and have a higher mph between casinos.....lol. In Vegas you are gonna be hitting 6-12 casinos a day. Some more than once most likely, in order to pull that $600 a day, and that's if you know what you are doing. That is what I know that I can personally do. It is too much work for that $ amount since I can earn a higher hourly elsewhere. That is why I don't do it regularly. Plus I am way to lazy to maintain an intense 10 hour day continuously.

    I know a couple of what I consider top level vultures. One tells me that daily 600 number is about right and the other one tells me that is low for Vegas in his opinion. $400 daily would be doable by a motivated barely optimal vulture in my opinion.

    20k will handle all but less than 1% of the stuff you will typically run up against. A lot of vultures are running around with less than even 5k. They simply have to pass on the bigger things. But most of them have someone they can call in if they have been around for any amount of time.

    But really,,, I would have put you down for making more than 100k already. A top level vulture is only going to need 6 figures on super rare occasions. Unless he/she is knocking back some of the VP progs and stuff. I don't consider that vulturing though. Besides you already have a deep understanding of low edge VP opportunities with high hourlies. From what I can tell.

  18. #58
    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post
    I seem to have severely underestimated the participants on this forum to some extent. Unless people are fucking with me. Either way I am done talking after this. For the simple fact it is real clear to me that I have no idea who the fuck I am talking with on here. I generally have no problems discussing stuff with people I know and have sized up.

    If you are vulturing you are walking. Not sure why that is looked at as a bad thing. Guess a person could get a scooter and have a higher mph between casinos.....lol. In Vegas you are gonna be hitting 6-12 casinos a day. Some more than once most likely, in order to pull that $600 a day, and that's if you know what you are doing. That is what I know that I can personally do. It is too much work for that $ amount since I can earn a higher hourly elsewhere. That is why I don't do it regularly. Plus I am way to lazy to maintain an intense 10 hour day continuously.

    I know a couple of what I consider top level vultures. One tells me that daily 600 number is about right and the other one tells me that is low for Vegas in his opinion. $400 daily would be doable by a motivated barely optimal vulture in my opinion.

    20k will handle all but less than 1% of the stuff you will typically run up against. A lot of vultures are running around with less than even 5k. They simply have to pass on the bigger things. But most of them have someone they can call in if they have been around for any amount of time.

    But really,,, I would have put you down for making more than 100k already. A top level vulture is only going to need 6 figures on super rare occasions. Unless he/she is knocking back some of the VP progs and stuff. I don't consider that vulturing though. Besides you already have a deep understanding of low edge VP opportunities with high hourlies. From what I can tell.
    I'm just trying to grasp the concept and what all is required to achieve 219k per year.
    Obviously, I am ignorant in the knowledge and the current concepts.
    I've noticed in the last 5 to 8 years that I have consistently fallen behind in the changes in all Casinos and Vision Machines.
    And when I say changes, I mean in every aspect of how the Casino has changed gears over that span of time.
    I tend to believe that this is the upper tier of Advantage Play.
    I'm guessing certain individuals can make 100k per month on average.
    I tend to believe that you are far ahead of me in every aspect of gambling and advantage play.
    I appreciate the time you took out of your day to type out the information above.
    Thanks.

    Personally, in the last 10 years, I have a handful of passive income avenues so I haven't been as focused as in years prior.
    Getting Old.
    Lost my edge and most likely a step or two.
    It won't be long now till I end up in the pasture.
    To my credit, I have survived in Vegas for 30 years so that's a positive compared to most who make the attempt, in my mind that is.
    I'm guessing ZenKing will have 5 Million Banked, at minimum, by the year 2026.
    About 4 years ago he told all of us to buy BitCoin at 1800 but he was scared at how to go about the purchase.
    If he would of put 40k of his 55k in BitCoin, at that time, he would have how much now??
    About 900k to 1 Million Dollars as he would of had 22 coins that are worth about 45k per coin right now.
    I hope he took his own advice, at the time and at least bought a coin or two.
    Last edited by monet; 09-11-2021 at 02:08 AM.

  19. #59
    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post

    You're looking for playable numbers on that game still??? That has to be a joke. Ploppies have already figured that game out and won't hardly play it anymore because the Asian vulture teams post sentries on each bank to swoop in and clean away any scrap that manages to get left.

    For Christ sake, the tweakers have figured it out......lol..... They plop down on it and search out hobos like yourself to give them a 50% freeroll on any win to give up the machine.

    Maybe you and your hobo brain trust on Twitter should work harder on that one......lol....That's another game ready to go into the history books.
    Pure out nonsense. You're a petty, vindictive lowlife looking for any scrap of shit to throw at the wall and see if it will stick. The game has not been in my area that long and their are not that many machines. Nothing like what a town like Las Vegas would have. I don't get RR plays every day or even every week. So the stat collecting is slow, Mr. "I hate Singer and anyone who says anything favorable about him!" You really need to grow up.

    I have playable numbers, idiot. But can they be lowered is the question. The answer requires more stats than I have.

    Earlier in this thread you bragged about being a bigshot that wouldn't stoop to vulturing especially if it was worth only $600 a day. But when Monet enquired about that $600 a day you seen you got blindsided. Didn't see it coming. You did the only thing you could, blew smoke and mirrors.

    You don't lower yourself to walking the casinos and vulturing? Then how the hell would you know what the plops and asians are doing.

    You just tell one fucking lie after another and think nobody knows. Pathetic idiot.
    Trust that there isn't much on the casino floor that I don't see. I can pick out the hobos like you from across the room. I never said that I wouldn't vulture.

    I said if I wanted to do that I could in my own backyard. That's your problem. You don't comprehend what you read. Did Rob accidentally stick you in the eyeball last time you were polishing the front 9?

    If Monet wants info he knows where to find me. I am certainly not going to shoot out any info publicly unlike yourself. 80% of the idiots walking around these casinos taking plays couldn't find their way out of a paper bag if it wasn't for bozos like you trying to prove they know something. Maybe someone will send you advanced Regal numbers and you can ship them out to the minions that follow you on Twitter.....lol
    Thats right. You said "if I wanted to." Like it was below your bigshot AP dignity to vulture. But now here you are writing about how much you vulture. Get KJ's cock out of your mouth long enough to get some blood back in your brain. You're walking the floor just like the competition you consider to be scumbags in Vegas. SO YOU ARE A DECENT UPRIGHT AP BUT ALL THE OTHER VULTURES ARE SCUMBAGS? Guess what, idiot. YOU'RE DOING THE SAME THING THEY ARE. THAT MEANS YOU'RE A SCUMBAG TOO.

    I already said, some time ago that playable numbers hover around 9/60/80/110, a little less if good RTP, a little more if bad RTP. You really need to work on your reading comprehension, moron.

    As for advanced Regal numbers it's clear you don't get it. There's a big difference in payback in the machines I play compared to the Strip. Big difference between a CZR Regal and a Regal in an Indian casino. I'll take the ones in the Indian casino. You vegas idiots/suckers can play the CZR Regals.
    Last edited by mickeycrimm; 09-11-2021 at 02:02 AM.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  20. #60
    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post
    Originally Posted by monet View Post
    For starters, I just have some basic questions that I think could be answered publicly.
    If a person can average 600 dollars per day for 365 days per year, in Vegas, that seems like a pretty damn good annual salary.
    $219,000 dollars to be exact and that should be in the form of tax free cash, I would imagine.
    This doesn't even factor in comps or mailers.
    It's impressive to say the least.

    I would be happy with 250 days of work per year and an average of 400 dollars per day.
    That's a smooth 100 grand per year.
    It's not exactly baller money but I'd be A OK with that figure.
    Especially if this is something that can be done alone, with little exposure and very low risk or swings.

    So I guess those are the first questions.
    Can you make an easy 100k per year in Vegas without an intricate network of worker bees, 50k starting bankroll, little to no Heat and not having to walk daily marathons??

    I can see one problem about this discussion for Max, if this is easily achievable.
    He isn't going to want to share the information, which would cause indirect competition, which could draw massive heat and lower his daily average.
    On the other hand it appears that a 600 dollar a day average, for MaxPen, isn't even worth his time.
    It would appear that he is averaging well over that figure, according to his previous post, that first peaked my interest.
    I barely read any of the posts because its mostly just MC and Max bashing each other but as I was skimming through the words, that 600 dollar a day backyard comment hit me like a deer in the headlights!
    I believe it is possible but the landscape has changed in such a drastic way that my knowledge and methods have become obsolete.
    "Adapt or Die" -Pieter Willem Botha-
    I seem to have severely underestimated the participants on this forum to some extent. Unless people are fucking with me. Either way I am done talking after this. For the simple fact it is real clear to me that I have no idea who the fuck I am talking with on here. I generally have no problems discussing stuff with people I know and have sized up.

    If you are vulturing you are walking. Not sure why that is looked at as a bad thing. Guess a person could get a scooter and have a higher mph between casinos.....lol. In Vegas you are gonna be hitting 6-12 casinos a day. Some more than once most likely, in order to pull that $600 a day, and that's if you know what you are doing. That is what I know that I can personally do. It is too much work for that $ amount since I can earn a higher hourly elsewhere. That is why I don't do it regularly. Plus I am way to lazy to maintain an intense 10 hour day continuously.

    I know a couple of what I consider top level vultures. One tells me that daily 600 number is about right and the other one tells me that is low for Vegas in his opinion. $400 daily would be doable by a motivated barely optimal vulture in my opinion.

    20k will handle all but less than 1% of the stuff you will typically run up against. A lot of vultures are running around with less than even 5k. They simply have to pass on the bigger things. But most of them have someone they can call in if they have been around for any amount of time.

    But really,,, I would have put you down for making more than 100k already. A top level vulture is only going to need 6 figures on super rare occasions. Unless he/she is knocking back some of the VP progs and stuff. I don't consider that vulturing though. Besides you already have a deep understanding of low edge VP opportunities with high hourlies. From what I can tell.
    Just another wannabe. But you're right about yourself. You don't have what it takes to do it. Not the honest way, anyway. You're a sleazeball that has some kind of scam going, right, twinkletoes. Anyone can tell that sleazeball tactics are all you know.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

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