ARTT For Rob Singer

[vpguy]

Let's say I'm playing ARTT and I lose the 100 credits of BP and now I'm going to play the 300 Credits in a advanced game such as DDB. My question is this: should I play the entire 300 credits in one machine? Move to a different machine after say 100 credits or so? Or does it matter one bit? And what do you do?
I have always wondered about this since I believe in hot/cold cycles in machines. Thus I was wondering when playing this strategy if it were wise or not to play the entire 300 credits in just one machine.

Also let's say I lose the session and start session number 2. Do you play the new session on the same machine that you just lost on or do you move to another machine or even another casino?

[slingshot]

Good question! I believe I asked Rob this one and his reply was "it never hurts to move". However, this did not answer if I should start over, finish the rest of the session on another machine, or restart. Very good question.

[Alan Mendelson]

300 credits is 60 hands. Can you guys determine that you are in a cold cycle prior to 60 hands?

[slingshot]

300 credits is 60 hands. Can you guys determine that you are in a cold cycle prior to 60 hands?

Sorry, but you don't understand-as I didn't= that you play $300 for 300 credits. That's the thing I had misunderstood. So 100 credits would be $100 or $25 in quarters. And no, cold cycles aren't sometimes readily apparent, BUT, sometimes a machine will make itself very evident. Now I hope you guys will please let Rob answer this question so we don't get into another argument over his method. Save that for when he answers the question on behalf of us "poor misguided souls" who happen to agree. Forgot to mention: 100 credits=100 credits LOST.

[Alan Mendelson]

Sorry, but you don't understand-as I didn't= that you play $300 for 300 credits. That's the thing I had misunderstood. So 100 credits would be $100 or $25 in quarters. And no, cold cycles aren't sometimes readily apparent, BUT, sometimes a machine will make itself very evident. Now I hope you guys will please let Rob answer this question so we don't get into another argument over his method. Save that for when he answers the question on behalf of us "poor misguided souls" who happen to agree. Forgot to mention: 100 credits=100 credits LOST.

I think you misread what I wrote. 300 credits is 60 hands, if you are playing 5 credits per hand. The dollar denomination does not matter.

So again, 300 credits is 60 hands. Can you determine that you are in a cold cycle prior to 60 hands? It doesn't matter if you are playing $100 per credit or 5-cents per credit.

[slingshot]

According to Rob, it's when you LOSE 100 credits-not when you PLAY 100 credtis-or when you LOSE 300 credits ,not PLAY 300 credits. Now you see why I had so much trouble with understanding the strategies.

[slingshot]

I better further this: In other words, since some hands will be pushes, some 2 pair or better, etc., you may actually PLAY a total of 200 credits or more before you actually LOSE the equivalent of 100 credits. During this time, an eminent cold cycle will actually (for me) display possible,flushes, straights, high pairs, etc. that go nowhere. It certainly is irritating, unless you believe that playing on forever is gonna change it.

[Alan Mendelson]

According to Rob, it's when you LOSE 100 credits-not when you PLAY 100 credtis-or when you LOSE

Okay, I accept that, if that's what Rob said defines a cold cycle. But without a time period -- or a number of hands played -- what good does the figure of losing 100 credits do for you? For example, I play five hands like this:

Hand #1 Win 10 credits (+5)
Hand #2 Lose 5 credits (now even)
Hand #3 Lose 5 credits (-5)
Hand #4 Win 5 credits (a push, but still showing a -5)
Hand #5 Win 5 credits (a push, but still showing a -5)

The net result after 5 hands: loss of 5 credits. If I repeat that cycle 20 times, or 100 hands, I would have a net loss of 100 credits. At that point, am I supposed to believe I am in a cold cycle? And what good does that information do me at that point?

[slingshot]

You're dealing with what YOU think should be happening and don't even consider the other happenings. But to answer your question, it means time to switch machines if ALL THE SIGNS OF A COLD CYCLE are there. That's why I want Rob to answer Vic's question. I'm not here to debate you and arci. I knew this was gonna start and would appreciate hearing what Rob says and then you guys can have at it. I think I'm beginning to see why Rob answers in his sometimes rough manner.

[Alan Mendelson]

I've asked Rob to prove to me that there are cold cycles in machines. I have offered him the chance to use my website to publish his proof. And until he does, I am going to challenge all of the claims about cold cycles because I don't believe them. I am not afraid to say the Emperor has no clothes. That goes for Rob's claims about cold cycles, and for Arc's disbelief in the advantages of quitting when you're ahead.

All discussions here are open.

[slingshot]

My point is the Vegas Vic asked a question for Rob and he-like me-thought we could get a simple answer without having to go through this again and again and again. If I'm the ONLY one that happens to agree with the concept, does that mean I can't have access to his opinion on a point I'm not sure about? Or maybe a better question would be-is there ANOTHER forum where I can ask Rob a question?

[Alan Mendelson]

You asked the question. It's up to Rob to answer. Or, you could send him an email if you don't want a free and open discussion.

[vpguy]

Slingshot,

Yes the reason I asked is that I don't know how great it would be to continue to feed one machine your total amount if it just keeps losing. However this thing does work and I have the real stats to back it up.
Last year I went to Las Vegas 4 times. I didn't want to risk playing up to dollars but I wanted to find out if ARTT had any merit. So I would play 25c only going for at least a 5 dollar win goal playing 100 credits ( 25 bucks) on BP and then 300 credits ( 75 bucks) on DDB. As I said my win goal was only at least 5 bucks. On the 300 credits I would play only 100 credits of DDB on any one machine and then change and play another 100 credits on a different machine. The final results were as follows:

Sessions 91 wins 38 losses
Profit + 1300
I did hit one Royal at Mbay in May but even if you take that out I still won, not much I know but still a win. I did lose 3 sessions in a row once. But I think my results would have been even better if I would have played a true progression at the BP level instead of just one. Still I won almost 68 percent of my sessions.
I'm planning a trip to Shreveport next week to try it out again and this time I'm playing up to dollars but I wanted to see how Rob plays the 300 credits first on the advance game before I go and risk 1200 bucks.

[Rob.Singer]

Let's say I'm playing ARTT and I lose the 100 credits of BP and now I'm going to play the 300 Credits in a advanced game such as DDB. My question is this: should I play the entire 300 credits in one machine? Move to a different machine after say 100 credits or so? Or does it matter one bit? And what do you do?
I have always wondered about this since I believe in hot/cold cycles in machines. Thus I was wondering when playing this strategy if it were wise or not to play the entire 300 credits in just one machine.

Also let's say I lose the session and start session number 2. Do you play the new session on the same machine that you just lost on or do you move to another machine or even another casino?

I'll start with this one. I only change machines if I detect that it is entering a cold cycle, if the machine operation become quirky or uncomfortable, if a fool smoker sits nearby and my mocking comments to him or her doesn't get them to leave....or if I just feel like changing machines or casinos. If I lose an ARTT session on a machine, I do not leave it unless one of the four instances listed above occurs. Losing a session is usually just a function of machine randomness--to the extent that it is random.

If I do leave a machine for whatever reason including to eat or take a nap, it doesn't matter where or when I start up again, but I always begin exactly where I left off within the strategy.

[Rob.Singer]

On the point of Alan not believing in cold cycles without proof presented, I'll bring in the same logic he uses to criticize Frank's current ongoing effort to do whatever it is he's doing: Nothing is in print anywhere, and it can only be confirmed on a player by player trial. I had the exact same doubts as he has at one time, simply because I did what most people do and read the online regulations while expecting that what I am shown by the Internet, the Gaming Commission, the state, and the casinos, are the policies & procedures in their entirety.

Even when I was told by a machine programmer about the cycles in detail, I wouldn't accept any of it until I spent the time and invested the money into actually going away from my play strategy for four months (even though I did profit $26,000 from the effort thanks to seeing several hot cycles and riding them from the $5 demon. to the $25 game.) What I found was the cold cycles came almost exactly as he said they would, and that I had the perfect aptitude for spotting them.

Lots of players,do, but most either don't want to believe in them (Alan), won't believe in them even with proof because it would further turn their vp-playing world upside down (arci), or would just never have what it takes to even begin to understand and follow the cycles' occurrences (majority of players). So Alan, this is a parameter of the game that, to those who want to think all is as they've been told by the entities that profit off of those who play vp, they will never have the will to change anything about what they're doing and how they do it, because they are too lazy to check it out for themselves (which is what it will take to prove it to themselves). And this, amazingly, applies to players who lose constantly as well as to anyone who might be a winner and doesn't want the opportunity to do better because they don't care to rock the boat.

I am here to help, and for free, both in play strategy and understanding the video poker industry as much as possible. Those who want to become better overall players as I am--and I AM the best and most knowledgeable player of all time because of the fact that I actually have investigated everything about the game and the machines in an ongoing educational environment--can choose the positive approach with me as their advisor.

The rest will end up like arci

[vpguy]

Thanks Rob I think I understand it now as to how you play. One more question if I may. Let's say you are playing on one machine and hit something nice like let's say 2's with a kicker... do you continue to play on that machine or would you start a new session at a different machine or a different casino etc.? Thanks again for your help in these matters and for your time and effort.

[Vegas Vic]

Thanks Rob I think I understand it now as to how you play. One more question if I may. Let's say you are playing on one machine and hit something nice like let's say 2's with a kicker... do you continue to play on that machine or would you start a new session at a different machine or a different casino etc.? Thanks again for your help in these matters and for your time and effort.

Changing machines or staying at one doesn't really matter. If you're the person whose fanny is in the seat when the RNG hits, you win. It could be your first machine of the day or your 12th machine in a half hour.

You could, as Rob suggests, leave because of some intuition that the machine is "entering a cold cycle" only to sit down at a machine that is likewise "entering a cold cycle", and quickly feel another "cold cycle" at your fingertips which prompts you to bolt to another seat in front of a machine with a ready-to-go "cold cycle". You could spend the rest of your session following Rob's advice to move and continually inherit machines that have been abandoned because of their obvious "cold cycles".

[Alan Mendelson]

Thanks Rob I think I understand it now as to how you play. One more question if I may. Let's say you are playing on one machine and hit something nice like let's say 2's with a kicker... do you continue to play on that machine or would you start a new session at a different machine or a different casino etc.? Thanks again for your help in these matters and for your time and effort.

About three years ago I was sitting at a DDB machine and hit quad aces with a kicker. Less than two minutes after I was paid, I hit a progressive royal.

About four years ago playing DDB I was dealt quad aces with a kicker and less than fifteen minutes later I was dealt quad aces with a kicker again -- same machine. Even more amazing, it was the same exact hand both times: AA4AA.

Last year playing TDB I was dealt quad aces (4k) -- but did not pick up the kicker. Only two hands after I was paid off, and the floor people were only steps from my machine, I hit quad 3s with a kicker for 10k.

I did not move after getting the first jackpot each time. Now, does that follow or violate Rob's strategy? I don't know.

[Rob.Singer]

Thanks Rob I think I understand it now as to how you play. One more question if I may. Let's say you are playing on one machine and hit something nice like let's say 2's with a kicker... do you continue to play on that machine or would you start a new session at a different machine or a different casino etc.? Thanks again for your help in these matters and for your time and effort.

If hitting that winner did not allow me to attain my trip win goal and if I did not need to take a break, I would always stay at the same machine for the next session.

[Rob.Singer]

About three years ago I was sitting at a DDB machine and hit quad aces with a kicker. Less than two minutes after I was paid, I hit a progressive royal.

About four years ago playing DDB I was dealt quad aces with a kicker and less than fifteen minutes later I was dealt quad aces with a kicker again -- same machine. Even more amazing, it was the same exact hand both times: AA4AA.

Last year playing TDB I was dealt quad aces (4k) -- but did not pick up the kicker. Only two hands after I was paid off, and the floor people were only steps from my machine, I hit quad 3s with a kicker for 10k.

I did not move after getting the first jackpot each time. Now, does that follow or violate Rob's strategy? I don't know.

Since you were not playing any particular strategy of mine, you didn't violate any of the rules associated with them. I too have had multiple times when I was waiting to be paid and hit more big winners. But that was the sad time I spent playing as an advantage player, where I thought getting in the most hands possible --aka piling up the points--would be another building block to attaining that overall tiny win percentage those mislead people talk so much about.

It's nice to hear about such nice close hits, but without the proper overall strategy, playing while waiting for a handpay only exhibits a player's gambling problem in a kinder light. When someone can't wait to feel that next slice of intermittent satisfaction that gambling gives us all when winners are hit, I teach people how much they need to step back and take an overall big-picture look at what's really happening to them and what COULD happen to them.