Mdawg Data

[kewlJ]

I was going to bump another thread with these new thoughts, but this data is just too good. Deserves it's own thread (and appropriately, in the Las Vegas section) I was PMing someone recently speaking about the Mdawg "claims" when I said he is well over a million dollars in his 6 months. The person didn't think it was anywhere near that number, so I decided to go to the thread at true passages where Mdawg posts his daily play and totals and add it up.

Mdawgs Vegas trip started Mach 16. So I am up to June 4. 10 weeks or a little less than halfway through the now 6 month plus "story". Through June 4, adding his total win loss I have him at +$384,510. However that doesn't include one day that he said his win for the day was so big that he didn't want to post a number over some concern people could figure him out because it was the largest win at the casino that day. Not sure how that logic works, but since he has posted wins as big as 49k for a day, lets just say 50k...just to come up with a number. So lets call his win $434,000 through the first 10 weeks.

Out of 60 days of play, he has a whopping....hold on while I add them up.... carry the 1, hold on....calculating....ok, 2 losing days. And there is an interesting side note to both these losing days. First losing day was $10,000. It consisted of 2 parts, a loss of $48,000 and a win of $38,000. See how he won back most of it immediately? Second losing day was what he referred to as a monster loss....$68k. Similarly to his first losing day, he won $28k and $25k over the next 2 days almost erasing that rare loss. What am I suggesting here? I think you all know.

I will be honest, I just can't stomach looking through and analyzing these numbers any further. So I am not going to continue this exercise. But at $434k less than halfway through and his number escalating the total for 6 months is sure to be over a million as I stated. Hell just in the last week he has posted days of winning 56K at blackjack and 84k at baccarat.

My point to all this Mdawggy has repeatedly said, Las Vegas casinos just don't care about a player winning. Really? Is that how Las Vegas works. They are handing out Millions and don't care? Anybody? Anybody? (shades of Ben Stein in Ferris Bueller).

Now one more hilarious thing! And this really is funny as hell. Let me see if I can post the exact quote.

Day 60 play

Actually got as low as -8000 before taking a single 1000 chip to +7400, including via a 10 Bank run.

On the way out, from one of the dealers, "You should move to Vegas and just do this every day."

Ole!

On June 2 he posted that a dealer...said he should move to Las Vegas. Again, let me say that date....June 2nd.

10 days later Mdawg started a thread entitled "Mdawg the Las Vegas resident". in which he states that "the deal is closing on his mid 7 figure Las Vegas mansion". 10 days! In 10 days, on the advice of a dealer, he has found and purchased a home in the mid 7 figure range and is closing on it.

I mean come on. This is the greatest gambling fiction EVER, by a long shot. Sorry Rob Singer, but it leaves your pedestrian Newell nonsense in the dust by miles.

[kewlJ]

Let me just say, I am now getting threats from Mdawg to expose all kinds of personal information about me. He has dropped a few teaser hints and none of what he has is me. Not sure who he is on the verge of exposing but it isn't me.

Today, he called me by my first name, as if to let me know he knows my first name. Everyone that has been around the gambling forums for even just a couple years knows my first name. Or at least what I tell people on the forums is my first name.

Swing and a miss...AGAIN, Mdawggy.

[kewlJ]

Let me just say again, that the recent pictures posted by Mdawg of a casino shuttling him to a Dallas Cowboys-Chargers football game in Los Angeles seem very legit. I believe Mr Mdawg is a high roller type player.

These things private jets, high end suites for 6 months are how Vegas casinos treat a high rolling whale type player....a losing high end player. Mdawg claims he has won well over a million. So there is one thing left out that makes this all legit. The LOSING! He tells us about all the winning but just omits the losing sessions and days, which makes all his play losing and warrants all the high rolling whale comps. You add in the losing that has been omitted and it all makes sense.

It is such a shame he couldn't just honestly share the experiences of a higher roller /whale type player, without omitting the losing, necessary to get all the freebies he is getting. I think so many of us would have found that interesting.

[redietz]

I don't know how rare the private jet kind of thing really is. I have a friend who the Wynn jetted in from Orange a few times. As long as it's just an LA or SD or SF jump, these kinds of invites seem more or less routine for bigger players.

[kewlJ]

I don't know how rare the private jet kind of thing really is. I have a friend who the Wynn jetted in from Orange a few times. As long as it's just an LA or SD or SF jump, these kinds of invites seem more or less routine for bigger players.

yeah, I get ya redietz. I don't know how that works but this wasn't a casino flying a player in from So Cal on a private jet for a weekend and then flying him home. This was a player who was already in Vegas and had been for 6 months, that they flew out to a football game, complete with luxury suite at that new stadium and then flew back. They were specifically flying him away from playing the casino. I think that is a whole other level of whale treatment. And it appears it was a group of "whales" and not a single player.

And I know there are some, including one fella that posts here sometimes and at WoV, that I respect his opinion, that believed the person getting all this high end treatment may not be the same person posting. I don't see that. I think he is getting the treatment, I think he has proven that sufficiently. But There is a reason he is getting the treatment and that reason is he is a losing player that dumps a lot of money at the casinos. Mdawg is just leaving that part of the story out.

Now if a rich dude with family money, likes to gamble and gets some concessions like loss rebates ect that reduce his losses, and he enjoys playing, winning and losing (losing more than wins) and thinks getting that VIP treatment is worth it for whatever he loses, power to him. I have no problem with that. Just don't feed us all the I am winning every session, every day, millions of dollars and the casinos don't care bullcrap on top of it because none of that is true.

[redietz]

I appreciate that MDawg must be playing some, but casinos own luxury boxes. They have to use them, so they get a list of who's on the premises any given week and ask them if they want to go. The majority of people actually won't want to go, so whoever is left gets a free trip and to hang out in a luxury box for a day.

[MaxPen]

I am having trouble understanding why anyone cares about someone that doesn't even post here anymore.

[kewlJ]

I am having trouble understanding why anyone cares about someone that doesn't even post here anymore.

Well we wouldn't want you to have trouble understand MaxPen, so I will explain it to you.

Mdawgy doesn't post here because we was unable to control and manipulate Dan Druff the way he is "other" forum owners/administrators. And although he made a post a GF today, he doesn't post much there for the same reason. He only wants to post at places that he can control and the forum administrators will protect him from players that know how things work making legitimate challenges. So that leaves Wizards forum and the true passages forum where he posts his daily reports.

So I tried to engage him directly at both those places, as I did here when he was here before he ran away. Everyone knows what happened a WoV, with Mike restricting me from even responding to anything Mdawg posts. So that left the true passages forum for direct communication. I created an account there and responded and questioned posts, including a thread he created that bears my name, in which he posted lies. That is one of his things: He has started entire threads that just have members names from here and WoV that challenge him. He fills those threads with lies. So like I said, I created an account to respond and guess what? My responses disappeared minutes after I posted them. It has long been suspected that Mdawg may own that forum. If he doesn't he certainly "controls" it.

So he posts lies about me at the true passages forum and WoV. At WoV, he just doesn't use my name instead will say, something like "some so called experts of Las Vegas will say.....", but he is referencing things I said. So he posts about me at TP and WoV, where neither place can I respond, so I respond here, where I post and he is afraid of so he ran away.

It is not an ideal situation, but it is what it is. But just because he has Wizard protecting him, I am not going to stop calling out his bullshit. Sorry if you are inconvenienced MaxPen. I am inconvenienced repeatedly reading about mickey's missing ball. That is the way life works sometimes.

[kewlJ]

By the way Maxpen, you are a blackjack guy from way back.

In the last 2 weeks Mdawg has posted results from 7 blackjack sessions, all Double deck games on the strip (you KNOW what that means).

Double deck spreading $200 -$5000 (1-25), sometimes spreading to as much as $20,000 (1-100 spread). The results for these 7 sessions +$112,600. Of course all winning sessions.

Just curious....what do you think of that? Is that the way double deck blackjack on the strip works?

[MaxPen]

By the way Maxpen, you are a blackjack guy from way back.

In the last 2 weeks Mdawg has posted results from 7 blackjack sessions, all Double deck games on the strip (you KNOW what that means).

Double deck spreading $200 -$5000 (1-25), sometimes spreading to as much as $20,000 (1-100 spread). The results for these 7 sessions +$112,600. Of course all winning sessions.

Just curious....what do you think of that? Is that the way double deck blackjack on the strip works?

I would say not. I would catch heat sometimes spreading 1-6 green on the main game. But I am by no means an expert on high limit double deck. My blackjack play was primarily playing the good lucky ladies and best of all the Royal 20's that used to exist.

I kind of thought MDawg rolled out of here because he knows he's not fooling anyone here. Plus if he pisses off the wrong people they can make life difficult for him. So I was thinking he chose to part ways

[kewlJ]

By the way Maxpen, you are a blackjack guy from way back.

In the last 2 weeks Mdawg has posted results from 7 blackjack sessions, all Double deck games on the strip (you KNOW what that means).

Double deck spreading $200 -$5000 (1-25), sometimes spreading to as much as $20,000 (1-100 spread). The results for these 7 sessions +$112,600. Of course all winning sessions.

Just curious....what do you think of that? Is that the way double deck blackjack on the strip works?

I would say not. I would catch heat sometimes spreading 1-6 green on the main game. But I am by no means an expert on high limit double deck. My blackjack play was primarily playing the good lucky ladies and best of all the Royal 20's that used to exist.

I understand and understand you have long ago moved on from blackjack, but you know Las Vegas and Las Vegas blackjack just as many other AP's even AP's that don't play blackjack any more do and you know this guys claims are bullshit. I think there should be more people that say this guy is full of shit about everything he claims, baccarat, blackjack, endless high end comps, nearly 100% winning of every game. For crying out loud he claims he was closing on a mid 7 figure mansion, a mere 10 days after a dealer told him, he was the best ever and should move to Las Vegas.

Just ridiculous that Wizard of all people gives this guy the platform to do this. People always called Singer out and this is 100 times worse.

[MaxPen]

By the way Maxpen, you are a blackjack guy from way back.

In the last 2 weeks Mdawg has posted results from 7 blackjack sessions, all Double deck games on the strip (you KNOW what that means).

Double deck spreading $200 -$5000 (1-25), sometimes spreading to as much as $20,000 (1-100 spread). The results for these 7 sessions +$112,600. Of course all winning sessions.

Just curious....what do you think of that? Is that the way double deck blackjack on the strip works?

I would say not. I would catch heat sometimes spreading 1-6 green on the main game. But I am by no means an expert on high limit double deck. My blackjack play was primarily playing the good lucky ladies and best of all the Royal 20's that used to exist.

I understand and understand you have long ago moved on from blackjack, but you know Las Vegas and Las Vegas blackjack just as many other AP's even AP's that don't play blackjack any more do and you know this guys claims are bullshit. I think there should be more people that say this guy is full of shit about everything he claims, baccarat, blackjack, endless high end comps, nearly 100% winning of every game. For crying out loud he claims he was closing on a mid 7 figure mansion, a mere 10 days after a dealer told him, he was the best ever and should move to Las Vegas.

Just ridiculous that Wizard of all people gives this guy the platform to do this. People always called Singer out and this is 100 times worse.

What percentage of the people in the high limit rooms of Vegas do you think are full of shit? I lean towards the majority. Vegas is full of people like him. I don't think he is worth the effort to debunk.

[kewlJ]

I kind of thought MDawg rolled out of here because he knows he's not fooling anyone here. Plus if he pisses off the wrong people they can make life difficult for him. So I was thinking he chose to part ways

No he tries to stop people from challenging him by constantly complaining to the forum administrator. At WoV, I was restricted from talking about him. Mike says this guy is allowed to make his claims due to "free speech". What about MY free speech? Who at WoV has ever been restricted from talking about another member except me....now twice? And the others that were restricted, like Axel, Sabre, Expected value and others, just kept getting suspended over and over, because Mdooche kept complaining. If he doesn't have that kind of control over an owner/administrator he won't stay and face legitimate challenges.

And at this true passage forum there is a whole section entitled WoV and VCT characters, in which he has a separate thread for dozens of members that he lies about. There is a MisterV thread, a redietz thread, a KewlJ thread, an Axelwold thread, a jdaewoo thread, a TomG/Tomin LV thread, an advantageplay/expectedvalue thread, a sabre thread, a jbjb thread.

A thread for every person that challenges him that he lies about that person and those people aren't allowed to respond. THAT is the kind of control he is looking for and inexplicably the kind of protection and control Wizard is providing. You challenge Mdawg and his claims that defy math and the way Las Vegas works and you get suspended, no matter who you are, even a friend like Axelwolf.

Well I will not be silenced. I will say my piece and Mdawg reads it because he responds and cries.

[kewlJ]

What percentage of the people in the high limit rooms of Vegas do you think are full of shit? I lean towards the majority. Vegas is full of people like him. I don't think he is worth the effort to debunk.

here's the thing MaxPen: I don't challenge that many people. There are lots of people I read things and think well that is not right....they are either lying or exaggerating. I am not the fabrication police.

The low bar for me is if the math works or not. And even then, I rarely say anything. It is when people repeat their math defying claims over and over and over again, like this Mdickhead or Singer, that they should be called out.

Lets take Singer. If someone claims they have a winning strategy involving progression wagering, stop limits and "special plays", I might say something or I might not. But when they repeat the same bullshit over and over 100, even 1000 times, I am going to start calling it bullshit 100 and 1000 times.

The only person I broke this rule with was Moses. Moses claiming to play professional blackjack in Reno. The math works. At low limits. I happen to know as you probably do as well and many others that a player can not play any kind of decent limits in Reno on a regular basis, let alone years and years as Moses claims. Happens to be a very similar situation that I moved away from in Atlantic City. Just too small of a rotation and a "regular" or frequent player couldn't get decent money down.

So while Moses Math worked, I didn't say anything for a long time even though I knew the rest of his claims were BS. Eventually when he started attacking me I did call out that his claims were BS even though the math worked. I sort of wish I hadn't because his math did work and it isn't my job to be the exaggeration police.....but ya know...sometimes things get personal.

[Dan Druff]

I think it's fairly clear that MDawg is some kind of high roller who makes his money from other sources besides gambling, and enjoys feeling important when he goes to Vegas.

It is highly unlikely he is pulling a Don Johnson style loss rebate trick on the casinos to where he's +EV. Besides, most casinos are wise to that, anyway, as Johnson's "secrets" have been revealed. I do believe he probably has loss rebates though.

I don't understand why other forums are protecting him from criticism. I guess they like the content he brings, and they don't want the little fantasy story to be brought down to earth.

For many -EV high rollers, being treated like a king is enough. For MDawg, it seems he also wants the forum gambling cred to go with it, and figures that posting evidence of big bets, big chips, and nice suites is somehow evidence that he's winning. Obviously only the most naive ploppy is gonna fall for that.

With that said, MDawg doesn't really bother me, because he just spins tall tales to make himself feel important. He's not really hurting anyone, so I don't bother trying to expose him, or anything like that.

[kewlJ]

I think it's fairly clear that MDawg is some kind of high roller who makes his money from other sources besides gambling, and enjoys feeling important when he goes to Vegas.

For many -EV high rollers, being treated like a king is enough. For MDawg, it seems he also wants the forum gambling cred to go with it, and figures that posting evidence of big bets, big chips, and nice suites is somehow evidence that he's winning. Obviously only the most naive ploppy is gonna fall for that.

With that said, MDawg doesn't really bother me, because he just spins tall tales to make himself feel important. He's not really hurting anyone, so I don't bother trying to expose him, or anything like that.

I would say (and have been saying) this is a good take on the situation Dan Druff. It is a shame because the high roller part of the story is an interesting story and read to me. A player that like to gamble, and can afford to, that enjoys the perks received in exchange for his losses.

I can understand how it doesn't bother you too much Dan Druff as he was only spinning his tales here for a short time, before deciding he wouldn't be protected here as he is at WoV. You don't have to reveal what was said in private contact, but I am curious if he contacted you complaining about other people challenging him or anything like that, or just decided this was not the kind of forum that would give him the protection and special treatment he needs.

It does seem like the membership at Wov has had enough of his repeated BS claims at the moment. Mdawg has skirted the rules and agreement that his claims be hidden by starting a new thread with new claims and now is even posting his daily play results in that new thread just so it shows up on the main board which intentionally skirts the basis of the deal removing his claims from sight on the main board.

In response to the challenges Mdawg wrote "So it's incumbent on me to state that I play with an advantage and describe the advantage, or to state that I play with an advantage?" The answer is simple. For claims of this magnitude and this duration, years now, yes it is incumbent for the claimant to show something in regards to the claims that defy everything from math, to how Las Vegas works to reality. The standard changes from the normal.

And that point reached was really quite a while ago, like about a year ago when Wizard declared "it is time for you to put up or shut up". What changed was this Mdawg then either manipulated or flat out bought Wizard's silence at that point.

[redietz]

I think it's fairly clear that MDawg is some kind of high roller who makes his money from other sources besides gambling, and enjoys feeling important when he goes to Vegas.

It is highly unlikely he is pulling a Don Johnson style loss rebate trick on the casinos to where he's +EV. Besides, most casinos are wise to that, anyway, as Johnson's "secrets" have been revealed. I do believe he probably has loss rebates though.

I don't understand why other forums are protecting him from criticism. I guess they like the content he brings, and they don't want the little fantasy story to be brought down to earth.

For many -EV high rollers, being treated like a king is enough. For MDawg, it seems he also wants the forum gambling cred to go with it, and figures that posting evidence of big bets, big chips, and nice suites is somehow evidence that he's winning. Obviously only the most naive ploppy is gonna fall for that.

With that said, MDawg doesn't really bother me, because he just spins tall tales to make himself feel important. He's not really hurting anyone, so I don't bother trying to expose him, or anything like that.

In point of fact, Todd, you have no real idea who he is or isn't hurting. You simply do not know.

His claims have gone off into the land of caricature, it's true, but this is America, and caricature gets taken seriously much of the time. Hell, maybe the majority of the time.

In 1982, when eighth page ads in USA Today for handicappers with 93-4 and 101-9 ATS records filled pages, I knew in a rational world those ads shouldn't have hurt anyone, but the truth is that they did. They hurt the people signing up with those handicappers, they hurt the handicappers competing with those ads, they undermined the credibility of every piece of writing and advertising in that newspaper. If 100 people read MDawg's stories and two people believe him, then those two people get hurt if they try to do as the Dawg suggests. And if they believe him, why wouldn't they try to do as MDawg suggests?

[kewlJ]

I think it's fairly clear that MDawg is some kind of high roller who makes his money from other sources besides gambling, and enjoys feeling important when he goes to Vegas.

It is highly unlikely he is pulling a Don Johnson style loss rebate trick on the casinos to where he's +EV. Besides, most casinos are wise to that, anyway, as Johnson's "secrets" have been revealed. I do believe he probably has loss rebates though.

I don't understand why other forums are protecting him from criticism. I guess they like the content he brings, and they don't want the little fantasy story to be brought down to earth.

For many -EV high rollers, being treated like a king is enough. For MDawg, it seems he also wants the forum gambling cred to go with it, and figures that posting evidence of big bets, big chips, and nice suites is somehow evidence that he's winning. Obviously only the most naive ploppy is gonna fall for that.

With that said, MDawg doesn't really bother me, because he just spins tall tales to make himself feel important. He's not really hurting anyone, so I don't bother trying to expose him, or anything like that.

In point of fact, Todd, you have no real idea who he is or isn't hurting. You simply do not know.

His claims have gone off into the land of caricature, it's true, but this is America, and caricature gets taken seriously much of the time. Hell, maybe the majority of the time.

The problem lies entirely with one Michael Shackleford. Now-a-days the big play is for these guys to repeat their claims as impossible as they are, over and over, 100's even 1000's of times. When a non-truth is repeated enough, it becomes accepted as truth. That is precisely why it is important to challenge and refute these kind of claims every time.

Wizard did the right thing when after more than a year of these claims, he stated "it was time to put up or shut up". That Mike went back on that and did so after being paid to meet with Mdawg AND entered into some kind of agreement that he wouldn't talk about what he saw, when that was the sole purpose of him witnessing, stinks to high heaven! Lest not forget that when Shackleford made that "put up" statement he stated that upon witnessing Mdawgs play Mike would almost immediately know if he was playing with an advantage or not. So what happened? Shackleford witnessed the play and then declares he has entered into an agreement not to say anything. And oddly immediately after money changed hands.

If it was an honest mistake, you would think Wizards would now realize that for the sake of his integrity, he should go back to his original promise to the forum, that he would witness the play and reveal what he saw. If by chance Mdawg has some magically formula for always winning, every hand, every session, Mike need not reveal that. A statement that Mdawg is indeed playing with an advantage would suffice. But this alternate agreement to be silent, has to come to an end. If it doesn't Shackleford is completely complicit in this scam or fantasy, no different than if he were saying these things himself.

[kewlJ]

I don't know....maybe I am wrong about the whole calling out people making claims that defy math, logic and reality. Maybe MaxPen and jbjb are right. It helps us (AP's) and me personally, so fuck everyone else.

Moses making a living in Reno playing the sweaty red chip capitol of the world day in and day out? ok, I'll buy it.

Singer, turning progression betting, stop limits and special voodoo plays into multi millions. Sure why not?

Mdawg, winning every session, every day, every stock trade. Must have a few rabbit's feet in his pockets.


Come on down everybody....Vegas is handing out bags of cash just for the taking.


That is pretty much what Las Vegas was built on so who am I to inject a little reality into the fantasy.

[jbjb]

I wish I had a penny for every Mdawg I run across in casinos with their "I'm the best, I never lose, this is how you win,....blah blah blah". I'd be a thousandaire!