-17,647.50 hhahahaha 140 hours

[ZenKinG]

Hahahahha you can't fucking make this up. Find me one counter that's made money in the past 4 months. As soon as Vegas opens up to everyone with paid parking etc. As soon as everything gets busy again I go on the 2nd worst losing streak of my career I'm fucking done. Fuck all of you. Fuck that discord too all fraud queers that only like to hear themselves talk and never made fuck all at the game. All BJA fucking soldiers promoting the company with their fake ass stories and graphs.

-2SD rofllll. Imagine that. -2SD hahahah. Most rigged fucking town I've ever been in. I literally barely play any negative counts. 2x250 at +5 also and still run like this hahahaha. This fucking ramp is responsible now for my 2 biggest losing streak of all time and is on pace to be my 2nd longest streak ever. This fucking ramp and bet size is fucking hexxed lmaoo. You cantfucking make this hp

[kewlJ]

What exactly do you want from us or anyone? You come on here bitching and moaning and when when someone like myself tries to explain that it is variance and you simply have yet to grasp the variance possibilities for the game and amount of time you play, and you respond by cussing us out and proclaiming yourself the GOAT, which you obviously aren't.

6 months ago, you were here telling us how you had won $50,000 (I think that was the amount) since last June when casinos reopened and that made you the greatest ever. Since you only seem to play 30-40 hours a month, it was pretty obvious that your good fortune, just like your bad runs was variance. My back of envelope calculations was that you were roughly 2 standard deviations ahead at that point. I think I suggested that and you called me names.

So now here we are another 6 months down the road and you have hit a negative run for 140 hours over 4 months (still 30-40 hours a month which is not a lot of play). I don't want to say this is an adjustment to the earlier extremely positive run, because the cards never know if you are winning and losing, but still in my experience, it all evens out one way or another.

So let's go back to last June, 15 months now. Are you up 33k? (50k -17k lost in this period?). I will bet if you run a simulation for your play and amount of play, 30-40 hours a month, I will bet 33k is just about expectation. Pretty close one way or the other. PROVING things are working just the way they are supposed to, it is just you have never understood how things are supposed to work, meaning variance.

Yeah, you will respond by cussing me out, calling me a liar and some homophobic slurs just for good measure, but I just told you the truth.

Now I will say $17,000 with a $250 max bet seems a lot. It is 68 max bets, so not that much really. Plus you are betting 2 x $250, so there is co-variance involved, meaning you hit a run where the dealer is pulling 20's and 21's and you are going to lose twice as many max bets. Players think the 2x maxbet smooths out variance and often does when you are winning one and losing one, but like I just said, you hit those periods where dealer is pulling every hand, and you lose twice as much fairly quickly. That is why I have never been big on the 2x max bet.

But anyway, carry on with your venting and hating and name calling and not listening to anyone.

[AxelWolf]

Yeah, you will respond by cussing me out, calling me a liar and some homophobic slurs just for good measure, but I just told you the truth.

I can fill in for the ZENGOAT if need be.

[kewlJ]

I know you don't want and won't listen to advise from me or anyone else, because you know it all. But I am going to say it anyway. 3 things you need to do to succeed long-term.

1.) You have to understand variance for the amounts you wager and amounts of time you play. It is perfectly normal to have swings up up to 100 max bets over a 6 month period. ESPECIALLY playing a max bet of two hands. This is precisely why a large bankroll is required.

2.) You have to put in more playing time. This 30-40 hours a month you have been playing really since you moved here, is not fulltime grinder type blackjack hours. It is less than 10 hours a week. Your are a grinder type player, you have to put in more than that and yes that means there will be even more swings for you to deal with.

3.) STOP PLAYING INDIAN CASINOS. No wonder you are losing. You hit a negative run in Las Vegas where games ARE regulated and you scream that you are being cheated and immediately run to Indian Casinos that are unregulated? Dumbest thing I have ever heard.

[kewlJ]

Yeah, you will respond by cussing me out, calling me a liar and some homophobic slurs just for good measure, but I just told you the truth.

I can fill in for the ZENGOAT if need be.

If you had done YOUR job in preparing him, we all wouldn't have to go through this every few weeks.

Seriously, I have no doubt Zenking is a good card counter by the mechanics of it. But he doesn't understand variance and he seems to think he can work part-time hours and make full-time money (with little or no variance). Where did that come from?

[kewlJ]

Yeah, you will respond by cussing me out, calling me a liar and some homophobic slurs just for good measure, but I just told you the truth.

I can fill in for the ZENGOAT if need be.

And by the way, since you are here for the moment, you should lighten up on Alan.

Alan's claim of seeing 18 y.o. in a row and Mdawgs claim of winning 60 hands of blackjack in a row (now amended) are no where near the same thing. Alan is mis-remembering what he saw or thinks he saw. He will never admit that, but that is what is at play. He has not made other preposterous claims of that nature. He doesn't claim to have made any money from it. Doesn't even claim to have been playing. Thus, he isn't out to harm anyone. He just is mis-remembering and too stubborn to back down.

Mdawg on the other hand, has one preposterous claim after another, all where he profited or made huge amounts of money. All of which defy both the math and the way Las Vegas works. His claims are escalating to draw the attention he craves and from the moment he showed up (a sockpuppet of a former WoV member) his intention has been to mislead players and members. Just the title "adventures of" tells you that.

I pick on Alan too about the 18 y.o. in a row. He brings some of that on himself, but I hate this comparison that is taking place with Mdawg. Huge difference: Intent.

[ZenKinG]

50k? I made 84.7k from June 15th 2020 to June 15th 2021 in 558 hours. I use June 15th because that's when I started playing again post covid in which I also changed up my game. Im down -17,647.50 from my ALL-TIME high of 87.5k or so. That puts me roughly around 70k or so in 663 hours. 400 of these hours were at 2x200. That puts me as a net loser since June 15th of about -14.7k. Every fucking time I start betting 2x250 I go on my worst losing streaks of all time. My biggest losing streak ever was with the same cursed bet spread of 2x250 at +5 and 2x50 at +1. I don't fucking get it. Then I have to resize down and work twice as hard, which will likely happen again I swear on my fucking life I just don't get it. It's like I'm a fucking troll puppet of the universe. I had about 65k profit at the 400 hour mark which means I've ONLY made 5k with my new up sized ramp at this cursed 2x250 over 263 hours hahahaha. Like fucking clockwork. Bankroll was 122 in May. It's now 92.6 lmaooo. Also you don't know shit about how I play or how to run a sim on my game so don't throw your bullshit EV metrics or what you think I'm running at or was running at.

I have yet to find one card counter that has ever discussed Departure Adjustment. Almost no one even wongs out, let alone at the proper departure point, let alone understanding what departure adjustment is or even how to maximize that metric. It's like I'm the only one with a fucking brain. Every single counter that ends up quitting, all they know how to do is play double deck, find good pen and assume 100 rounds an hour. That's literally 99.9% of the counting community. So please don't give me your two cents on what you think my hourly is. I don't need it or anyone else's advice. Just stick to being a fraud like everyone else. Last time I checked, who the fuck has ever met you? WHO? Name me one one fucking person that has met you or validated your play?

Just a bunch of fraud retards all over these forums and discords. That's half my frustration. It's so fucking easy to log on to a website or discord and preach LONG RUN and VARIANCE. Wow you're a fucking genius. You belong right on that fraud ass discord full of BJA soldiers promoting the garbage company

[kewlJ]

Last time I checked, who the fuck has ever met you? WHO? Name me one one fucking person that has met you or validated your play?

I have met two players, both happen to be hall of fame members, not that that is why I met them. They happen to both be top players who I admire (although one is a bit of a dick to me anyway ). One I have met with 3 times and done business with (sold a product). I have mentioned their names before but both have asked me not to on this forum.

Now, why would I have someone validate my play? Unless I was joining a team, which I have no interest in, I would never let someone validate or watch my play. There was one guy, a well known team organizer that claims to have found me and watched me play, years ago. I am still not convinced that he actually did. Maybe he found and watched someone else play.

Every once in a while, I think maybe I should be a little more social and socialize with a few of the Las Vegas AP's. And then I read some of your crazy talk and think my way has served me pretty well.

Look, I don't know what goes on at discord. I joined at Ryemo's invite and participated for a few day several years ago and quickly decided it wasn't for me. Stop linking me to discord or BJA, another place I have never participated. But I can assure you this, I wouldn't need to meet anyone, nor watch anyone play to know who is legit and who isn't. I would know that from just a few online conversations. And you should be able to figure that out as well.

I can't keep track of where you are financially, with winning and losing. 17 grand off your all time high is nothing at your level. It really isn't. Last year when Casinos reopened I dropped 29k in the first two weeks. Went from 14 grand ahead before the shutdown to 15 grand in the red. It happens! Again, that is why we need a big bankroll and the mentality to handle the swings. YOU need to work on that last part still.

[redietz]

Yeah, you will respond by cussing me out, calling me a liar and some homophobic slurs just for good measure, but I just told you the truth.

I can fill in for the ZENGOAT if need be.

And by the way, since you are here for the moment, you should lighten up on Alan.

Alan's claim of seeing 18 y.o. in a row and Mdawgs claim of winning 60 hands of blackjack in a row (now amended) are no where near the same thing. Alan is mis-remembering what he saw or thinks he saw. He will never admit that, but that is what is at play. He has not made other preposterous claims of that nature. He doesn't claim to have made any money from it. Doesn't even claim to have been playing. Thus, he isn't out to harm anyone. He just is mis-remembering and too stubborn to back down.

Mdawg on the other hand, has one preposterous claim after another, all where he profited or made huge amounts of money. All of which defy both the math and the way Las Vegas works. His claims are escalating to draw the attention he craves and from the moment he showed up (a sockpuppet of a former WoV member) his intention has been to mislead players and members. Just the title "adventures of" tells you that.

I pick on Alan too about the 18 y.o. in a row. He brings some of that on himself, but I hate this comparison that is taking place with Mdawg. Huge difference: Intent.

I'm going to spell this out, also.

Claiming to have WITNESSED something is not the same as claiming for it to have HAPPENED to you. So if I said that I have seen people win 21 consecutive ATS games, which I have, that is not the same as saying I myself won 21 consecutive ATS games. (The most I ever won consecutively is 17)

So comparing what Alan says he SAW versus what MDawg said occurred directly to him (implicitly suggesting he had something to do with it) is asymmetric. These are two different things. I see many things in my life -- people surviving this or winning that, but they did not happen to me. So the odds against my having seen something are much, much less than the odds of it happening to me. Two different universes, really.

Alan was at the table where this ostensibly happened. He did not bet it. I can stand at a lottery counter all day and somebody winning is not me winning. People in total filling out the right numbers but nobody doing it individually is another aspect of this. There are actually gradations and nuances to this that we rarely consider. I'm not qualified to discuss them. A long time ago, I played hoops for the Penn State math department grad team. Those guys would have loved these nuances and questions.

[jbjb]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!

[accountinquestion]

Just a bunch of fraud retards all over these forums and discords. That's half my frustration. It's so fucking easy to log on to a website or discord and preach LONG RUN and VARIANCE. Wow you're a fucking genius. You belong right on that fraud ass discord full of BJA soldiers promoting the garbage company

I'm giving you a virtual hug. No preaching variance here. Just a virtual hug.

[jbjb]

I'm going to start calling him 'ZenQeeuf' because there's nothing but raunchy air coming out of that pussy!

[kewlJ]

So I just popped in to discord wanting to read what these guys did to screw ZK up so bad and guess what, just a small amount of catching up seeing the very same maniacal posts from Zenking, it quickly becomes clear what or who the problem really is. As if anyone didn't know that.

[kewlJ]

I made 84.7k from June 15th 2020 to June 15th 2021 in 558 hours. I use June 15th because that's when I started playing again post covid in which I also changed up my game. Im down -17,647.50 from my ALL-TIME high of 87.5k or so. That puts me roughly around 70k or so in 663 hours. 400 of these hours were at 2x200.

How can a person playing for the length of time Zenking has played, not understand that there is absolutely nothing unusual about these results and swings at the level of play described.

+85k over 12 months
-17k over 3 months.

This is so very within the normal range, you shouldn't even be mentioning it, let alone going off the deep end. Makes me wonder what we will see when you actually experience some unusual negative variance.

[kewlJ]

This kind of normal variance is our friend believe it or not. If there was no variance with card counting as you and the guy up in Reno, seem to want and expect, then every player that could scrap together a few hundred dollar bankroll would be a winner player and casinos wouldn't even be able to offer beatable games we currently have.

This normal variance and swings and that many players can't and won't survive this variance is why we are able to even make a living playing blackjack. Instead of cursing the variance you should be embracing and praising it for making card counting even possible.

And let me tell you that your ride Zenking for the last 15 months since re-opening is almost exactly opposite mine.

I was up 14k when casinos shutdown. Upon opening I immediately lost 29k to go in the red 15k. Spent a few months teetering between being in the black and red and finished the year...wait for it +14k almost exactly where I was when casinos shut down in March. I actually lost $175 after re-opening, so I would have been better not even playing when casinos reopened. During this same time period, you were having positive results.

This year while you have slipped backwards just a bit, I am having a great year.

Now my results or anyone else's results vs yours don't matter. But a little networking and asking other similar players how they are doing during a period that you are frustrated because you hit some normal variance can help confirm that there is no rhyme or reason for anything. There is no conspiracy that you are now experiencing some negative variance because casinos are charging for parking again (crazy talk ). You seem to need that reassurance that everything is ok, everything normal, so if you had just reached out to other players instead of alienating everyone, you could have benefited from that. And still could. Just stop being such a retard. Everyone is not out to get you, you nut job.

[MisterV]

How can a person playing for the length of time Zenking has played, not understand that there is absolutely nothing unusual about these results and swings at the level of play described.

While I'm not a psychiatrist I'll take a shot at answering.

It's not that he's too stupid: he seems to have at least graduated high school and maybe a bit of college, so we're not dealing with a dullard who cannot figure out how to tie his shoe laces.

No, his problem is his ego is writing checks that he cannot cash.

This asshat trumpets to the land that he is the greatest blackjack player of all time, and says in so many words that the rest of the world isn't fit to eat the kernels of corn out of his shit.

That's a bold brag, and a big clue to his mental malady.

In making an impossible claim (sort of like the cub reporter claiming he saw 18 yo's in a row) a person will have an incentive to ignore and dispute any evidence which contradicts their claim.

In the case of this particular head case, he is so wedded to the notion of being the GOAT that he concludes the casino must be cheating in order for him to lose, as the GOAT by definition is a big winner and cannot lose.

His ego will not allow him to accept personal responsibility: it's as simple as that.

Just like Trump denying he lost the election.