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[accountinquestion]

Uhh poker players get like $1 an hour or whatever the fuck. I don't bother to give them my card these days given how little I play. They for SURE ARE NOT GETTING PROSTITUTES COMPED. "FLOOR! I have $1000 in comps, can I have a whore on top of the poker rate? Thanks! Where do I sign?"

In general I've never played so high that guys are gambling enough to get this sort of treatment. I'm just wondering how it is done, given it is actually illegal.

I guess hosts just have an expense account then they have to justify it to an executive somewhere. I've known many gamblers but they never had any discretionary comps like that. I've known grinders, not rich dudes.

Get tipped from the hookers - work both sides. lol what a job

You are thinking about this in the wrong way.
Kind of a boring subject.
I just figured since you have so much experience around gambling you would of at least heard about things or a story or two.
I guess you just focus on your cards and the felt.

I agree on it not being exciting. I've heard plenty of prostitute stories, just not having them comped by a casino. I've seen prostitutes at underground poker games. Sure but thats not a publicly traded corporation.

My main question is more how does a publicly traded company clearly break the law and work the billing. I guess an "escort service" bills MGM or something. It makes more sense if these places have an internal team they repeatedly use..

[redietz]

If you are a high-roller like Mdawg the casino pays for your prostitutes? Hows that work? "pick up the tab"? These girls have a stripe account for the MGM company card of the host?? (or whatever, just making up particulars)

I'd never heard of this happening. I assumed escorts are almost always cash in hand sorta deal. I mean obviously casino paying for whores has happened, but I hadn't ever heard this as a thing??

Account, you need to get out more. Stables-on-call have been an LV feature since before I was born. Some places have a formal-but-informal arrangement to get on the working list. You get interviewed to be placed on the list. Others are more locked in, allowing particular workers to frequent establishments (and often have rooms there). Kind of a payroll on the side thing.

I'm not sure it'll show up on Google, but check out Atlantic City's The Atlantis for a place where they couldn't keep a lid on it in the 80's and I think they got fined to hell.

If by get out more, you mean I need to gamble so big that I'm offered hookers? Well I'll pass. I like to keep my money.

I just assumed hookers were independent and cash only. So if someone wanted one, talking to a host might be a good approach for an intro. I would not expect casino to cover it unless you're losing big big $$ but I know very little of the world of hosts and comps. (trying to learn more though)

No, no, I didn't mean bet more or anything like that. I apologize if it sounded like that. I meant eavesdrop on guys you run into in the real world like monet or regnis or me. For educational purposes.

I stayed a season at the Budget Suites behind the old Stardust. Huge complex, maybe 600 rooms in a dozen buildings. They had tennis courts, a nice gym, and a nice pool area. What I didn't know -- when I signed up for my first month, the manager let me know that it was an action location. Well, I figured out what she meant pretty quickly. One day spent at the pool area and you could could surmise that half the girls staying there worked at the big strip clubs on Industrial. If you just hung out by the pool, eavesdropped, and started up a few conversations, you got a reasonable education in what was what around town.

[monet]

I agree on it not being exciting. I've heard plenty of prostitute stories, just not having them comped by a casino. I've seen prostitutes at underground poker games. Sure but thats not a publicly traded corporation.

My main question is more how does a publicly traded company clearly break the law and work the billing. I guess an "escort service" bills MGM or something. It makes more sense if these places have an internal team they repeatedly use..

Once again you are thinking wrong.
It doesn't work like that.
They aren't putting these transactions on the books.

[accountinquestion]

I agree on it not being exciting. I've heard plenty of prostitute stories, just not having them comped by a casino. I've seen prostitutes at underground poker games. Sure but thats not a publicly traded corporation.

My main question is more how does a publicly traded company clearly break the law and work the billing. I guess an "escort service" bills MGM or something. It makes more sense if these places have an internal team they repeatedly use..

Once again you are thinking wrong.
It doesn't work like that.
They aren't putting these transactions on the books.

But the $$ has to come from somewhere ... in a small operation the owner can just pull $$ out of his pocket. That is not how publicly traded corporations work. Anyway, I have no doubt it doesn't happen, I'm just not convinced that comping whores is an actual thing. The thing is, a guy so wealthy can procure and pay for his own whores. Ask the host/doorman for some #s. Everything else can be comped. Like.. I can't even begin to wonder how the billing would work. Flat-rate then girl works more off tips? Anyway.. someone else has been DMing me they don't actually believe that prostitutes are comped by casinos that often and I haven't been given any reason to think otherwise in this thread. Not that matters nor is it worth arguing. I'm also equally sure it happens sometimes.

If a guy is losing enough, they'll find a way to make it happen.

[monet]

But the $$ has to come from somewhere ... in a small operation the owner can just pull $$ out of his pocket. That is not how publicly traded corporations work. Anyway, I have no doubt it doesn't happen, I'm just not convinced that comping whores is an actual thing. The thing is, a guy so wealthy can procure and pay for his own whores. Ask the host/doorman for some #s. Everything else can be comped. Like.. I can't even begin to wonder how the billing would work. Flat-rate then girl works more off tips? Anyway.. someone else has been DMing me they don't actually believe that prostitutes are comped by casinos that often and I haven't been given any reason to think otherwise in this thread. Not that matters nor is it worth arguing. I'm also equally sure it happens sometimes.

If a guy is losing enough, they'll find a way to make it happen.

[monet]

The thing is, a guy so wealthy can procure and pay for his own whores.

lol... No reason to talk to you about this anymore.
You really do not understand.

[kewlJ]

My main question is more how does a publicly traded company clearly break the law and work the billing. I guess an "escort service" bills MGM or something. It makes more sense if these places have an internal team they repeatedly use..

Don't publicly traded companies get caught all the time, breaking the law, with regards to finances and taxes and stuff? Seems like I hear or read a lot of stories like that on the news. Not specifically involving prostitutes, but just dishonest bookkeeping to avoid taxes, inflate expenses, lower taxable profits. and stuff, for which if caught they receive a fine.

So I don't know how they would enter that expense on the books, but it seems to me if a casino is going to fly a high roller out to a suite at So-fi stadium for the first game with fans, with somewhat extravagant food and booze spread, they ought to be able to figure a way to arrange some "companionship" for him for an hour if he requests it.

Anyway, why don't we just the ask the guy that inspired this discussion, Mr. Highroller himself. He has been so honest and open about everything else.

[accountinquestion]

Just to be clear, I said multiple times I think it happens. Maybe the issue here is we're not defining what it takes to be a high-roller. If you're being flown in a (private jet) and such then sure they could make it happen but that is on a scale of people I don't typically know. I know gamblers, but I don't personally know upper-class degenerates. whatever

I get that you have a big list of expenses, and these girls would be known and a few line-items named escort services or whatever would be perfectly fine. It is all up to the girls wink wink and all that.

This all came about because someone said mdawg wanted suites because he could then get the prostitutes for free. I'm skeptical that most people getting suites are going to get comped prostitutes but I don't know what mdawg is claiming these days. Thankfully he left this forum.

[MaxPen]

Mandalay Bay paid a $500k fine when employees were caught supplying prostitutes and drugs to undercover police posing as customers.

Wynn and a lot of others openly allow certain approved girls to work the premises. How do you think they get approval?

[kewlJ]

but I don't know what mdawg is claiming these days. Thankfully he left this forum.

His claims are no longer important as there is no one left that believes them. He has left this forum (because he was unable to control Dan Druff) but still is reeking havoc.

In recent days this nasty lowlife and troll of a person has posted my name and address on multiple forums and is now smearing the name of Attorney Bob Nersesian, who many AP's in this town hold in high regard and Mdawg is threating to file a complaint with the state bar against Mr. Nersesian.

This is the guy that Shackleford provided a platform for and continues to protect. I blame Mike for all of this. He should of nipped it in the bud. Even loyal Axelwolf yesterday stated he has had enough of what WoV has become.

[Rob.Singer]

but I don't know what mdawg is claiming these days. Thankfully he left this forum.

His claims are no longer important as there is no one left that believes them. He has left this forum (because he was unable to control Dan Druff) but still is reeking havoc.

In recent days this nasty lowlife and troll of a person has posted my name and address on multiple forums and is now smearing the name of Attorney Bob Nersesian, who many AP's in this town hold in high regard and Mdawg is threating to file a complaint with the state bar against Mr. Nersesian.

This is the guy that Shackleford provided a platform for and continues to protect. I blame Mike for all of this. He should of nipped it in the bud. Even loyal Axelwolf yesterday stated he has had enough of what WoV has become.

Gee kew, I finally took a look at another forum that you're equally addicted to, and I now see why you make such a GIANT fool of yourself here. NOBODY BELIEVES A WORD THAT COMES OUT OF YOUR MOUTH! Exactly what I've been saying all along. Somehow, you think by posting versions of your fucked up, concocted internet gambling forum life here, you're getting some kind of "redemption" for all the exposing you as a fraud and posting idiot that you're getting excoriated with at other places.

The sadness continues with you. Only I LOVE to watch you suffer! Is The End near???

[redietz]

I agree on it not being exciting. I've heard plenty of prostitute stories, just not having them comped by a casino. I've seen prostitutes at underground poker games. Sure but thats not a publicly traded corporation.

My main question is more how does a publicly traded company clearly break the law and work the billing. I guess an "escort service" bills MGM or something. It makes more sense if these places have an internal team they repeatedly use..

Once again you are thinking wrong.
It doesn't work like that.
They aren't putting these transactions on the books.

Monet, technically, that's if there's one set of books. Account, you have to realize that for much of LV history, not only did some places have multiple sets of "the books," but there were parallel shadow managements for quite a few properties.

Account, you're a poker player, right? Look up that old ESPN poker allegedly fictional series "Tilt" and watch it. Almost everything in there is based on an actual person or event.

[redietz]

Mandalay Bay paid a $500k fine when employees were caught supplying prostitutes and drugs to undercover police posing as customers.

Wynn and a lot of others openly allow certain approved girls to work the premises. How do you think they get approval?

Yep, Max nailed it here. He is correct. I wasn't going to come right out and spill it, but what the hell. The Wynn has always had certain approved girls patrolling in the wee hours. The fascinating thing to me is that I have heard (via little birdies) that they actually did not want knockout gorgeous girls. They kind of shot for the 5s or 6s on a 10 scale, but very well dressed, with the idea that they wanted the guys to complete the playtime as quickly as possible and get back to gambling.

MDawg, by his own admission, does frequent the Wynn often.

Max actually is plugged in to the local scenarios. Good to know.

[jpfromla]

I agree on it not being exciting. I've heard plenty of prostitute stories, just not having them comped by a casino. I've seen prostitutes at underground poker games. Sure but thats not a publicly traded corporation.

My main question is more how does a publicly traded company clearly break the law and work the billing. I guess an "escort service" bills MGM or something. It makes more sense if these places have an internal team they repeatedly use..

Once again you are thinking wrong.
It doesn't work like that.
They aren't putting these transactions on the books.

But the $$ has to come from somewhere ... in a small operation the owner can just pull $$ out of his pocket. That is not how publicly traded corporations work. Anyway, I have no doubt it doesn't happen, I'm just not convinced that comping whores is an actual thing. The thing is, a guy so wealthy can procure and pay for his own whores. Ask the host/doorman for some #s. Everything else can be comped. Like.. I can't even begin to wonder how the billing would work. Flat-rate then girl works more off tips? Anyway.. someone else has been DMing me they don't actually believe that prostitutes are comped by casinos that often and I haven't been given any reason to think otherwise in this thread. Not that matters nor is it worth arguing. I'm also equally sure it happens sometimes.

If a guy is losing enough, they'll find a way to make it happen.

If I were a host and a whale comes to town and that whale will be worth $10,000 to my paycheck based on his play (not what the casino made off him overall). I would take $1500 out of my paycheck and take care off him, just keep him in my stable.

[accountinquestion]

If I were a host and a whale comes to town and that whale will be worth $10,000 to my paycheck based on his play (not what the casino made off him overall). I would take $1500 out of my paycheck and take care off him, just keep him in my stable.

This is closer to an answer than what I've seen. It is pretty clear if a host can bill a prostitute they'd do it, but I'm just not sure they can. Lots of ways this could happen in reality but in practice I have no clue the mechanics of the prostitute getting paid by a publicly traded company. I guess they get a lot of tips too? My understanding about prostitutes is there is typically a lot of negotiation. Just not sure how that'd work with a corporation and their purchasing dept etc. lol.

[jpfromla]

If I were a host and a whale comes to town and that whale will be worth $10,000 to my paycheck based on his play (not what the casino made off him overall). I would take $1500 out of my paycheck and take care off him, just keep him in my stable.

This is closer to an answer than what I've seen. It is pretty clear if a host can bill a prostitute they'd do it, but I'm just not sure they can. Lots of ways this could happen in reality but in practice I have no clue the mechanics of the prostitute getting paid by a publicly traded company. I guess they get a lot of tips too? My understanding about prostitutes is there is typically a lot of negotiation. Just not sure how that'd work with a corporation and their purchasing dept etc. lol.

One possible way to bill it as a “massage service”. That might get pass accounting. Remember, Steve Wynn billed a massage to the tune of 7.5 million to Wynn. Lol

[redietz]

If I were a host and a whale comes to town and that whale will be worth $10,000 to my paycheck based on his play (not what the casino made off him overall). I would take $1500 out of my paycheck and take care off him, just keep him in my stable.

This is closer to an answer than what I've seen. It is pretty clear if a host can bill a prostitute they'd do it, but I'm just not sure they can. Lots of ways this could happen in reality but in practice I have no clue the mechanics of the prostitute getting paid by a publicly traded company. I guess they get a lot of tips too? My understanding about prostitutes is there is typically a lot of negotiation. Just not sure how that'd work with a corporation and their purchasing dept etc. lol.

One possible way to bill it as a “massage service”. That might get pass accounting. Remember, Steve Wynn billed a massage to the tune of 7.5 million to Wynn. Lol

I'm starting to worry that account may be one of those people who thinks the Nevada Gaming Commission works for the public.

[Mission146]

There are all kinds of ways you could do it, but I think the host simply dropping the cash out of his own pocket (effectively, his own cut) of the player's ADT or losses (based on how the casino compensates the host) is the most likely.

I think this also is more likely to be true when it comes to hosts who are considered independent hosts, as opposed to employees of the company. The host acting independently, in certain situations, may provide something of a liability shield---whether real, perceived or theoretical.

As far as hosts who are engaged as employees is concerned, for the top-level players, one wonders whether or not the host is given a certain cash stipend that he can use in whatever ways he deems fit. I'm thinking of the hosts who might take high-rollers out to dinners at a non-casino property, or what have you. Just working for other businesses, while we weren't typically engaged in the conduct of facilitating prostitution, you could get away with a lot with petty cash accounts or discretionary cash accounts. Not every single transaction actually needed to have a receipt backing it as long as you accounted for it in one way or another.

[MisterV]

Ask Steve Cyr how he did it.

I think you're spot on, Mission: the host procures for the client and gets reimbursed by the casino, probably in the form of a salary "bonus" at the end of the pay period.

Just guessing, but it would arguably pass muster in an IRS audit.

[mickeycrimm]

Account, you need to get out more. Stables-on-call have been an LV feature since before I was born. Some places have a formal-but-informal arrangement to get on the working list. You get interviewed to be placed on the list. Others are more locked in, allowing particular workers to frequent establishments (and often have rooms there). Kind of a payroll on the side thing.

I'm not sure it'll show up on Google, but check out Atlantic City's The Atlantis for a place where they couldn't keep a lid on it in the 80's and I think they got fined to hell.

If by get out more, you mean I need to gamble so big that I'm offered hookers? Well I'll pass. I like to keep my money.

I just assumed hookers were independent and cash only. So if someone wanted one, talking to a host might be a good approach for an intro. I would not expect casino to cover it unless you're losing big big $$ but I know very little of the world of hosts and comps. (trying to learn more though)

No, no, I didn't mean bet more or anything like that. I apologize if it sounded like that. I meant eavesdrop on guys you run into in the real world like monet or regnis or me. For educational purposes.

I stayed a season at the Budget Suites behind the old Stardust. Huge complex, maybe 600 rooms in a dozen buildings. They had tennis courts, a nice gym, and a nice pool area. What I didn't know -- when I signed up for my first month, the manager let me know that it was an action location. Well, I figured out what she meant pretty quickly. One day spent at the pool area and you could could surmise that half the girls staying there worked at the big strip clubs on Industrial. If you just hung out by the pool, eavesdropped, and started up a few conversations, you got a reasonable education in what was what around town.

I used to stay at that Budget Suites too. I considered it a safe area because it wasn't in a neighborhood. Yes, that's where the strippers stayed. Sapphire wasn't far away. Last time I stayed there was during the Wynn opening. It got demolished when the Stardust got demolished to make way for Echelon Place.