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  1. #21
    Starting off a new thread with one of kew's many ongoing and uneducated lies doesn't exactly radiate the desire he has in trying to debunk how he leads a sour, unfulfilled life.

    Playing my VP strategy never somehow "turned -EV into +EV plays"....nor was it ever identified as such. It very simply and VERY effectively provides the best opportunity for me to do in my own specified chunk of time what you say you just did within your own specified chunk of time--to get ahead and take a well-deserved break, for as long as a particular player chooses for his or her own particular reasons. And I guess you see....it kinda works, right?

    Other than that (and your obvious craving to forum-post while most are showing they have other important parts of their lives to attend to) if a true AP takes time off, all they are doing is lowering their income. That's the cold hard truth of it. But there are a myriad of valid excuses, trade-offs, and other reasons not readily explicable, for doing this that come into play for everyone, and since no one walks 24/7 in anyone else's shoes, to criticize another for doing so is to show ignorance. And making shit up about why you're taking issue with other people's choices is never gonna be anything but a grinding internal struggle.

    If only redietz could put down his thoughts in English instead of Red Chinese....

  2. #22
    Singer do you have to troll every thread with your obvious jealousy?

    Why do you blacks feel the need to comment on everything posted...even something that doesn't pertain to you since you are NOT nor never have been an AP, or winning player.

    It's like talking through a movie at the theater. You people need to learn when to shut up.

  3. #23
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Starting off a new thread with one of kew's many ongoing and uneducated lies doesn't exactly radiate the desire he has in trying to debunk how he leads a sour, unfulfilled life.

    Playing my VP strategy never somehow "turned -EV into +EV plays"....nor was it ever identified as such. It very simply and VERY effectively provides the best opportunity for me to do in my own specified chunk of time what you say you just did within your own specified chunk of time--to get ahead and take a well-deserved break, for as long as a particular player chooses for his or her own particular reasons. And I guess you see....it kinda works, right?

    Other than that (and your obvious craving to forum-post while most are showing they have other important parts of their lives to attend to) if a true AP takes time off, all they are doing is lowering their income. That's the cold hard truth of it. But there are a myriad of valid excuses, trade-offs, and other reasons not readily explicable, for doing this that come into play for everyone, and since no one walks 24/7 in anyone else's shoes, to criticize another for doing so is to show ignorance. And making shit up about why you're taking issue with other people's choices is never gonna be anything but a grinding internal struggle.

    If only redietz could put down his thoughts in English instead of Red Chinese....

    Actually, you're dead wrong on the "if a true AP takes time off, all they are doing is lowering their income." If you're doing anything that requires judgement, like sports betting or poker, you need the best version of yourself. Any kind of fatigue degrades your abilities. And being in top physical and mental shape so you can maintain the best version of yourself as long as possible requires some kind of training so your physical and mental stamina hold up or are increased.

    Therefore, taking time off can serve two purposes -- (1) it gives you rest time to recharge and (2) it provides time to train so your stamina, both mental and physical, is increased for further APing.

    Anyone confused by my writing, as Rob usually is, please feel free to ask questions. I've trained every year for 45 years so I can hold up physically and mentally while wagering 24/7 during football seasons. Watching 40-some hours of football each week while wagering 24/7 is not a physically easy gig. Back in my 30's, my conditioning training was designed to match the 100% grade of the Marines circa 1975. Now that I'm old, I simply can't do that any longer, but I still manage to train every other day with the exception of September/October.

  4. #24
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    KJ is not really taking that much time off if he usually quits after the rodeo. Maybe a couple of weeks. December is slow so he would stick out more anyway. Congratulations on the good year.

    Age and health means I don't try to play off all the EV anymore.
    Thanks mickey. Rodeo week or 11 days now is a funny time. The city is crowded and casinos have lots of tables open, but really not that many rodeo people gamble, which is great for my style of play. It is prime opportunity for tracking multiple tables, something that in general opportunities are less frequent of late. But on the negative side, if you end up at a table with one of these cowboys, the game drags. They don't seem to do anything quickly, and that includes making a decision on their blackjack hand. They have that "mosey along" mentality with everything.

    After the rodeo leaves on the 11th, Vegas usually gets very quiet until Christmas Eve. Too quiet! Restaurants and shows shut down, tables are fewer. Not good for me for the reasons you stated.

  5. #25
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Starting off a new thread with one of kew's many ongoing and uneducated lies doesn't exactly radiate the desire he has in trying to debunk how he leads a sour, unfulfilled life.

    Playing my VP strategy never somehow "turned -EV into +EV plays"....nor was it ever identified as such. It very simply and VERY effectively provides the best opportunity for me to do in my own specified chunk of time what you say you just did within your own specified chunk of time--to get ahead and take a well-deserved break, for as long as a particular player chooses for his or her own particular reasons. And I guess you see....it kinda works, right?

    Other than that (and your obvious craving to forum-post while most are showing they have other important parts of their lives to attend to) if a true AP takes time off, all they are doing is lowering their income. That's the cold hard truth of it. But there are a myriad of valid excuses, trade-offs, and other reasons not readily explicable, for doing this that come into play for everyone, and since no one walks 24/7 in anyone else's shoes, to criticize another for doing so is to show ignorance. And making shit up about why you're taking issue with other people's choices is never gonna be anything but a grinding internal struggle.

    If only redietz could put down his thoughts in English instead of Red Chinese....

    Actually, you're dead wrong on the "if a true AP takes time off, all they are doing is lowering their income." If you're doing anything that requires judgement, like sports betting or poker, you need the best version of yourself. Any kind of fatigue degrades your abilities. And being in top physical and mental shape so you can maintain the best version of yourself as long as possible requires some kind of training so your physical and mental stamina hold up or are increased.
    Of course he is dead wrong. THAT goes without saying when Singer posts now.

    Not only is time off necessary to ensure an AP, any AP is at the top of their game, but for someone like me, it is all about not wearing out your welcome by over-playing and seeing the same pit folks too often. I did that in my first home base destination, Atlantic City.

    I actually want to play as little as I can while accumulating the EV that I desire for the year and remaining within the betting limits that I have determined are well tolerated by each different casino and situation. It is a real balancing act.

    One good thing about the whole covid situation is that I have been able to bump up and play higher limits than usual, meaning I can get that EV with less rounds played. It also means the swings and variance can be greater. I dealt with that last year when I basically doubled my stakes everywhere and immediately hit a long negative run. Playing fewer sessions means I didn't have as much play to recover. Basically, I got stuck in the short term and on the wrong side of the curve.

    This year I have played higher stakes selectively, meaning on busy weekend or holiday times and played my regular stakes most other times, still reducing rounds played to earn the same EV. It has worked out a lot better for me and the reduced rounds increases longevity as long as those time of higher level play don't draw more attention. That is why I limit it to busier times.

  6. #26
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post

    Thanks mickey. Rodeo week or 11 days now is a funny time. The city is crowded and casinos have lots of tables open, but really not that many rodeo people gamble, which is great for my style of play. It is prime opportunity for tracking multiple tables, something that in general opportunities are less frequent of late. But on the negative side, if you end up at a table with one of these cowboys, the game drags. They don't seem to do anything quickly, and that includes making a decision on their blackjack hand. They have that "mosey along" mentality with everything.
    Could you tell us how you go about tracking multiple tables? You literally mean "multiple" and not 2? You backcount multiple tables then sit down when one is decent? Or are you sitting down at one and able to watch another?

    I really have no idea. I only tried counting once briefly. Not my thing.
    It is official. Redietz will never be on Dan Druff's podcast. "too much integrity"

  7. #27
    Originally Posted by accountinquestion View Post
    Could you tell us how you go about tracking multiple tables? You literally mean "multiple" and not 2? You backcount multiple tables then sit down when one is decent? Or are you sitting down at one and able to watch another?

    I really have no idea. I only tried counting once briefly. Not my thing.
    I don't remember exactly when, but it was early....back in my Atlantic City days. At that time I was playing low stakes and I didn't want to play through ALL negative counts for a different reason....I couldn't afford to. With 8 deck games that were in Atlantic City, the count can go significantly negative and stay there for the entire shoe. That can be 30-40 rounds with other players. Playing underfunded on a shoe string BR, I couldn't just sit there and play 40 rounds at true counts of -4, -5 while waiting for a new shoe. So I exited at that point to try to find a new game. Eventually I just started looking for that new game or opportunity before I had exited the first. It was just a natural progression.

    Unfortunately the opportunities in AC were limited because tables were usually full and not all tables were limits that I could afford to play. So it was sort of an occasional thing. When I moved to Vegas with less crowded conditions, it became a much bigger part of my game.

    Now I say multiple tables, in part to get my doubters all fired up, , but most of the time, 98% of the time, it is tracking one other table than what I am playing. There have been a few times that if everything else is just right, and there are tables on each side of me, and I have clear views, and they happen to be starting a new shuffle at the same time, I can track both (while playing my game) for a round or two at most. By that time I drop the lesser opportunity of the two and focus on the table with the better count.

    I sort of view the whole exercise as a variation of the team call in approach used by the MIT teams and other teams. I think blackjack hall of famer, Al Francesco gets credit for the technique but who knows if someone did it prior. With this technique there is a spotter back counting several tables, dropping tables if the count goes negative, picking up new tables starting from a fresh shuffle and then calling in the big player or "gorilla" player to a positive advantage count. Tracking a second table is sort of playing both parts, on a smaller scale.

    Bottom line, it allows a player to play many more rounds at max bet or significant advantage count that playing all at one table. If a player playing one table see's 10% counts @ say true count +3 or higher, tracking a second table can bump that number up close to 20%. Probably not quite double because there are times that the count at both tables are great and the player can only play one. There are also times you track a second table the count is growing strong and at the last second a player or two (sometimes backcounting card counters) jump in and gobble up the open seats. All that work, down the drain....those nasty card counters.

    I am sure this little discussion will ignite the haters and naysayers (probably on several forums), but that is just them proving yet again, their ignorance on the subject. Blinded by their hate.

  8. #28
    Originally Posted by accountinquestion View Post
    I really have no idea. I only tried counting once briefly. Not my thing.
    I should mention, that tracking a second table (or multiple tables) requires you to count a little differently sometimes. Unless the tables are very close, you may not be able to see the exact number on the cards. At this point, 'pips and paint' come into play. The face cards obviously all have paint and can be spotted from far away. The non face cards have pips (the little heart or club symbols on the cards correlating to the card number) so you look for a small number of pips. Doesn't really matter if you mistake a 3 (3 pips) for a 5 (five pips). Both are a +1 count.

    It also doesn't matter if your secondary count at the second table is slightly off (a topic that gets former owner here fired up). Say you have a running count at the second table of +11 and it is really +12. so what? Both come out to about the same true count. All you are really trying to do is identify a situation, an advantage better than the game you are currently playing.

    I know this may sound difficult and if you try it a few times, may think it too difficult, but if you play regularly, like almost anything it becomes second nature.
    Last edited by kewlJ; 12-02-2021 at 03:13 PM.

  9. #29
    Kewlj didn’t mention but I’m sure he’s doing this as well, when you’re counting multiple tables you’re rarely doing it for more than a deck or two’s worth of the shoe, one of them gets to the point where count or amount of shoe left is uninteresting or one gets to where you know you’ll be betting into for a while so just concentrate on that one. When one drops to disinteresting you’re probably looking around for another nearby shuffle to start if available.

  10. #30
    Originally Posted by mcap View Post
    Kewlj didn’t mention but I’m sure he’s doing this as well, when you’re counting multiple tables you’re rarely doing it for more than a deck or two’s worth of the shoe, one of them gets to the point where count or amount of shoe left is uninteresting or one gets to where you know you’ll be betting into for a while so just concentrate on that one. When one drops to disinteresting you’re probably looking around for another nearby shuffle to start if available.
    TRUE, Mcap.

    I have very shallow departure points or points that I give up on a shoe, both playing and tracking a second game. The only person I am aware of that has done some work on departure points is Don Schlesinger. There are probably others but he is the one I am aware of. My departure points or points that I give up on shoe, both playing and tracking are much more aggressive than Don's conclusions. I'm sure he would argue with me.

    But the fact is I am not interested in a count say mildly negative turning around to become slightly positive or even mildly positive and slightly EV. I am looking for a TC of +3, +4 or more, where I place my max bet and the fact is that once a count goes negative, even mildly, the chances of it turning to the point I am looking for is minimal. It may occasionally happen, but it is not worth my time and effort any more. My circumstances of many games allows for my attitude on this. If I lived and played Pennsylvania for example with spread out casinos, I would have to adapt to something different.

  11. #31
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Starting off a new thread with one of kew's many ongoing and uneducated lies doesn't exactly radiate the desire he has in trying to debunk how he leads a sour, unfulfilled life.

    Playing my VP strategy never somehow "turned -EV into +EV plays"....nor was it ever identified as such. It very simply and VERY effectively provides the best opportunity for me to do in my own specified chunk of time what you say you just did within your own specified chunk of time--to get ahead and take a well-deserved break, for as long as a particular player chooses for his or her own particular reasons. And I guess you see....it kinda works, right?

    Other than that (and your obvious craving to forum-post while most are showing they have other important parts of their lives to attend to) if a true AP takes time off, all they are doing is lowering their income. That's the cold hard truth of it. But there are a myriad of valid excuses, trade-offs, and other reasons not readily explicable, for doing this that come into play for everyone, and since no one walks 24/7 in anyone else's shoes, to criticize another for doing so is to show ignorance. And making shit up about why you're taking issue with other people's choices is never gonna be anything but a grinding internal struggle.

    If only redietz could put down his thoughts in English instead of Red Chinese....

    Actually, you're dead wrong on the "if a true AP takes time off, all they are doing is lowering their income." If you're doing anything that requires judgement, like sports betting or poker, you need the best version of yourself. Any kind of fatigue degrades your abilities. And being in top physical and mental shape so you can maintain the best version of yourself as long as possible requires some kind of training so your physical and mental stamina hold up or are increased.

    Therefore, taking time off can serve two purposes -- (1) it gives you rest time to recharge and (2) it provides time to train so your stamina, both mental and physical, is increased for further APing.

    Anyone confused by my writing, as Rob usually is, please feel free to ask questions. I've trained every year for 45 years so I can hold up physically and mentally while wagering 24/7 during football seasons. Watching 40-some hours of football each week while wagering 24/7 is not a physically easy gig. Back in my 30's, my conditioning training was designed to match the 100% grade of the Marines circa 1975. Now that I'm old, I simply can't do that any longer, but I still manage to train every other day with the exception of September/October.
    Weird. Just plain weird.

  12. #32
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Starting off a new thread with one of kew's many ongoing and uneducated lies doesn't exactly radiate the desire he has in trying to debunk how he leads a sour, unfulfilled life.

    Playing my VP strategy never somehow "turned -EV into +EV plays"....nor was it ever identified as such. It very simply and VERY effectively provides the best opportunity for me to do in my own specified chunk of time what you say you just did within your own specified chunk of time--to get ahead and take a well-deserved break, for as long as a particular player chooses for his or her own particular reasons. And I guess you see....it kinda works, right?

    Other than that (and your obvious craving to forum-post while most are showing they have other important parts of their lives to attend to) if a true AP takes time off, all they are doing is lowering their income. That's the cold hard truth of it. But there are a myriad of valid excuses, trade-offs, and other reasons not readily explicable, for doing this that come into play for everyone, and since no one walks 24/7 in anyone else's shoes, to criticize another for doing so is to show ignorance. And making shit up about why you're taking issue with other people's choices is never gonna be anything but a grinding internal struggle.

    If only redietz could put down his thoughts in English instead of Red Chinese....

    Actually, you're dead wrong on the "if a true AP takes time off, all they are doing is lowering their income." If you're doing anything that requires judgement, like sports betting or poker, you need the best version of yourself. Any kind of fatigue degrades your abilities. And being in top physical and mental shape so you can maintain the best version of yourself as long as possible requires some kind of training so your physical and mental stamina hold up or are increased.
    Of course he is dead wrong. THAT goes without saying when Singer posts now.

    Not only is time off necessary to ensure an AP, any AP is at the top of their game, but for someone like me, it is all about not wearing out your welcome by over-playing and seeing the same pit folks too often. I did that in my first home base destination, Atlantic City.

    I actually want to play as little as I can while accumulating the EV that I desire for the year and remaining within the betting limits that I have determined are well tolerated by each different casino and situation. It is a real balancing act.

    One good thing about the whole covid situation is that I have been able to bump up and play higher limits than usual, meaning I can get that EV with less rounds played. It also means the swings and variance can be greater. I dealt with that last year when I basically doubled my stakes everywhere and immediately hit a long negative run. Playing fewer sessions means I didn't have as much play to recover. Basically, I got stuck in the short term and on the wrong side of the curve.

    This year I have played higher stakes selectively, meaning on busy weekend or holiday times and played my regular stakes most other times, still reducing rounds played to earn the same EV. It has worked out a lot better for me and the reduced rounds increases longevity as long as those time of higher level play don't draw more attention. That is why I limit it to busier times.
    Naturally you needed to produce another bs-laced essay just to make yourself feel better about my hitting the nail on the head about you yet again.

    Any gambling-town AP who can't get a decent break from the action with a few good night's sleep and several errand-filled days, is weak and confused to begin with.

    You're so full of shit with your stories kew. Most people who concoct that kind of nonsense can do it without busting up the serenity of a forum or needing to post multiple long-winded stories/setting the records "straight" in order that they get a pat on the back from a weirdo like redietz. And they CERTAINLY have no need whatsoever to continuously evoke Nersesian's (or whatever his name is) just to pretend they know their stuff.

    You step in your own traps kew. And you know it.

  13. #33
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post


    Actually, you're dead wrong on the "if a true AP takes time off, all they are doing is lowering their income." If you're doing anything that requires judgement, like sports betting or poker, you need the best version of yourself. Any kind of fatigue degrades your abilities. And being in top physical and mental shape so you can maintain the best version of yourself as long as possible requires some kind of training so your physical and mental stamina hold up or are increased.
    Of course he is dead wrong. THAT goes without saying when Singer posts now.

    Not only is time off necessary to ensure an AP, any AP is at the top of their game, but for someone like me, it is all about not wearing out your welcome by over-playing and seeing the same pit folks too often. I did that in my first home base destination, Atlantic City.

    I actually want to play as little as I can while accumulating the EV that I desire for the year and remaining within the betting limits that I have determined are well tolerated by each different casino and situation. It is a real balancing act.

    One good thing about the whole covid situation is that I have been able to bump up and play higher limits than usual, meaning I can get that EV with less rounds played. It also means the swings and variance can be greater. I dealt with that last year when I basically doubled my stakes everywhere and immediately hit a long negative run. Playing fewer sessions means I didn't have as much play to recover. Basically, I got stuck in the short term and on the wrong side of the curve.

    This year I have played higher stakes selectively, meaning on busy weekend or holiday times and played my regular stakes most other times, still reducing rounds played to earn the same EV. It has worked out a lot better for me and the reduced rounds increases longevity as long as those time of higher level play don't draw more attention. That is why I limit it to busier times.
    Naturally you needed to produce another bs-laced essay just to make yourself feel better about my hitting the nail on the head about you yet again.

    Any gambling-town AP who can't get a decent break from the action with a few good night's sleep and several errand-filled days, is weak and confused to begin with.

    You're so full of shit with your stories kew. Most people who concoct that kind of nonsense can do it without busting up the serenity of a forum or needing to post multiple long-winded stories/setting the records "straight" in order that they get a pat on the back from a weirdo like redietz. And they CERTAINLY have no need whatsoever to continuously evoke Nersesian's (or whatever his name is) just to pretend they know their stuff.

    You step in your own traps kew. And you know it.
    Your buddy the UnKool1, has made up for lost time by posting his usual marathon length posts 8-10 minutes apart in quick succession, putting Marathon Mission himself to complete shame. 146 doesn't have a hope in hell !

  14. #34
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by accountinquestion View Post
    I really have no idea. I only tried counting once briefly. Not my thing.
    I should mention, that tracking a second table (or multiple tables) requires you to count a little differently sometimes. Unless the tables are very close, you may not be able to see the exact number on the cards. At this point, 'pips and paint' come into play. The face cards obviously all have paint and can be spotted from far away. The non face cards have pips (the little heart or club symbols on the cards correlating to the card number) so you look for a small number of pips. Doesn't really matter if you mistake a 3 (3 pips) for a 5 (five pips). Both are a +1 count.

    It also doesn't matter if your secondary count at the second table is slightly off (a topic that gets former owner here fired up). Say you have a running count at the second table of +11 and it is really +12. so what? Both come out to about the same true count. All you are really trying to do is identify a situation, an advantage better than the game you are currently playing.

    I know this may sound difficult and if you try it a few times, may think it too difficult, but if you play regularly, like almost anything it becomes second nature.
    So... multiple tables? or just 1 2nd one?

    I'm just thinking how this would play out. I really have no clue. TBH I will never be a competent counter and I've never tried to be one. Keeping track of counts is clearly not my thing but thats ok.

    Does it work better from certain seats or do you multi-count from all the tables equally?
    It is official. Redietz will never be on Dan Druff's podcast. "too much integrity"

  15. #35
    Also Kewl a lot about this comes down to your monthly nut. I bought an RV to get out of my parent's basement.

    Rob bought one to get out of his kid's basement.

    Same difference.

    but point is your time off has to be weighed versus how much you need income..
    It is official. Redietz will never be on Dan Druff's podcast. "too much integrity"

  16. #36
    Originally Posted by accountinquestion View Post
    Also Kewl a lot about this comes down to your monthly nut. I bought an RV to get out of my parent's basement.

    Rob bought one to get out of his kid's basement.

    Same difference.

    but point is your time off has to be weighed versus how much you need income..
    You live in an RV? Condolences. We tried it for 5 years IN A NEWELL and it got really old. Now we leave a small camper up at Tahoe and use it in the summer.

    Did you really live with your parents until recently? Only someone like redietz could explain something so strange.

  17. #37
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Originally Posted by accountinquestion View Post
    Also Kewl a lot about this comes down to your monthly nut. I bought an RV to get out of my parent's basement.

    Rob bought one to get out of his kid's basement.

    Same difference.

    but point is your time off has to be weighed versus how much you need income..
    You live in an RV? Condolences. We tried it for 5 years IN A NEWELL and it got really old. Now we leave a small camper up at Tahoe and use it in the summer.

    Did you really live with your parents until recently? Only someone like redietz could explain something so strange.

    Translation from Singerese:

    Rob's eyes and general health are so bad, he's not allowed to drive anymore.

    Not that there's anything wrong with that. Probably a side effect of having to take triple the usual dose of Viagara to prop up the nine-incher. Bad long-term visual effects. But it could happen to anybody. I understand that some of the more common anti-cholesterol drugs are also hard on the eyes.

    Translating for Rob is a piece of cake.

    Regarding accountinquestion, Rob's never quite gotten the hang of ironic humor. Last I checked, by the way, 27 million young adults were living with their parents. Roughly 80 million Americans live in "shared households." And about 14% of adults living in someone else's tax-defined household are a parent of the household head, so don't feel badly, Rob. It's a common arrangement.

    My late wife had a Ph.D. in demography. Many friends are sociologists. I try to keep abreast.

  18. #38
    In Rob's world (a fucked up place I wouldn't want to set foot) a person in their 20's, racked with debt from college, working a low paying job, probably not even in the field for which they went to college, living with their parents for a couple years while they bank a little money is looked down on, but a 72 year old and his wife, living with and mooching off his kids for a decade now is perfectly acceptable. Strange, hypocritical place, that Rob's world is.

  19. #39
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Not that there's anything wrong with that. Probably a side effect of having to take triple the usual dose of Viagara to prop up the nine-incher. Bad long-term visual effects. But it could happen to anybody. I understand that some of the more common anti-cholesterol drugs are also hard on the eyes.
    Redietz, can we just stop with the 9 inch fantasy bullshit. In another thread you laid out some of the Singer bullshit, about the phony RV, phony pictures inside an RV on the dealership lot, The phony ad placed in an RV publication with like one picture taken from the outside, the sale of said half a million RV to someone overseas in like 24 hours, sight unseen, because that is how people make such a purchase.

    You neglected to mention the phony bill of sales with no company letterhead, logo and all signatures in the same handwriting. And these were all lies to cover the other lies...the double up bug claim he stole and the magnificent singer progression system with it's ever-changing timeline. So really if there is anybody that believes anything about a 9 inch pecker, well there is someone out there looking to sell them a bridge.

    The only thing 9 inches on Rob is his nose. That is one area that he didn't inherit from his African ancestors. Who knows, maybe Rob has a little Chinese genes in him. No doubt he has had a little Chinese DNA inside him.

  20. #40
    Oh I forgot to mention because Rob's real name is known (from an unpaid gig as a gambling writer), people can and have looked him up.

    This is guy who claims to have made 3 million from the double up bug (a claim he stole), claims to have made what is it now that he has changed his story....half a million from a progressive wagering system, with "special" less optimal plays, and let's not forget, decades of secret 'James Bond' like work for the government overseas.

    And what do you find when you look him up? A man with little to no money, no assets, never owned a property, living and mooching off his children. While there is no property owned, no RV owned, there are records of bankruptcies, evictions, and other judgements against. I will even leave out mention of the other item that I have mentioned, since that has been removed, either by his doing or just time passed.

    So bankruptcies, evictions, judgements against, no property ever owned (including the fantasy RV)...does that match with 20 years of Singers made up claims? End of case.

    And by the way, contrast that with myself. My name and address was recently posted on two different forums and having now been removed, I am told it is circulating around via PM (can anyone confirm?) While I am not happy about this, the same trolls that posted and are circulating that information have looked me up, enabling them to confirm where I live....that I own the high-rise condo (with my brother) just as I said. Anyone looking will see ownership of a property and previous ownership of 3 others and no judgements, evictions, nor bankruptcies. Imagine that?

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