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  1. #61
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by accountinquestion View Post
    I won't be going coach belly.
    You are really going more Alan than coach belly. You are making the exact arguments Alan has made for a few years now, including recently on another forum, I wasn't even on. He has even used the super eyesight argument. No super eyesight or powers necessary.

    I will tell you what...here is a little exercise I suggested to Alan. Tape a few playing cards (normal size, no jumbo or anything) to a wall. Back up 10-12 feet. Can you see what that card is? Of course you can...well assuming you are not totally blind. Well 12 feet is probably double the distance you are looking at the neighboring table. So let's just remove the eyesight thing from the equation.
    Read what I said. My issue isn't that it isn't possible. My issues is that your eyes would dart around so much but I guess you can abandon it when pit comes around. It isn't like something you do on the regular as part of play as you clarified later.

    For some reason I'm fairly doubtful Alan is making the same arguments as you have yet to understand my main point.
    It is official. Redietz will never be on Dan Druff's podcast. "too much integrity"

  2. #62
    Originally Posted by accountinquestion View Post

    Read what I said. My issue isn't that it isn't possible. My issues is that your eyes would dart around so much but I guess you can abandon it when pit comes around. It isn't like something you do on the regular as part of play as you clarified later.
    Maybe other players feel differently but I don't feel looking around is anything. As the matter of fact it is what I do when I am only playing my one game. I don't want to be focused on every card coming out, so I look around, at the nearby TV, at a nearby table and the action there, even if the nearby table is roulette or craps or something, at people passing by. Anything but focusing on card after card coming out. I don't count each card. I use what is called the cancel method. And that is once all or nearly all cards are dealt, I glance at the table high cards cancelling low cards, neutral cards, sort of become invisible and you pick up the count in a fraction, literally a fraction of a second. This is also what allows a player to glance at a table as walking by and immediately pick up a count.

    Anyway I see nothing unusual or telling about a player looking around, although as previously stated, I don't move my head or if I do it really is just slightly.

    Now something suspicious would be a player standing behind a couple tables backcounting. That gets noticed by both pit and other players. That is why I have never gone to that technique. But a player looking around a bit, I see nothing unusual about that. Maybe others have a different take.

    As a matter of fact, I would say the most suspicious thing is the jump to the next table itself. Players jump around a lot these days, but I like to throw in a little acting, or comment. Saying something about having won with that dealer before, or if you have lost a couple hands, "you are too hot". That type of thing. I still think it draws a little attention, which is why I will only make one such jump and then exit the casino at the next exit trigger. I mean if you did that jump 4 or 5 times at the same pit, it would be much harder to pull off.
    Last edited by kewlJ; 12-03-2021 at 02:26 PM.

  3. #63
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by accountinquestion View Post

    Read what I said. My issue isn't that it isn't possible. My issues is that your eyes would dart around so much but I guess you can abandon it when pit comes around. It isn't like something you do on the regular as part of play as you clarified later.
    Maybe other players feel differently but I don't feel looking around is anything. As the matter of fact it is what I do when I am only playing my one game. I don't want to be focused on every card coming out, so I look around, at the nearby TV, at a nearby table and the action there, even if the nearby table is roulette or craps or something, at people passing by. Anything but focusing on card after card coming out. I don't count each card. I use what is called the cancel method. And that is once all or nearly all cards are dealt, I glance at the table high cards cancelling low cards, neutral cards, sort of become invisible and you pick up the count in a fraction, literally a fraction of a second. This is also what allows a player to glance at a table as walking by and immediately pick up a count.

    Anyway I see nothing unusual or telling about a player looking around, although as previously stated, I don't move my head or if I do it really is just slightly.

    Now something suspicious would be a player standing behind a couple tables backcounting. That gets noticed by both pit and other players. That is why I have never gone to that technique. But a player looking around a bit, I see nothing unusual about that. Maybe others have a different take.
    You're not looking around, you're specifically repeatedly looking to something at the periphery of your vision. Thats why I asked what seat. That seems weird to me. If you're not in the 2 middle seats, I can see counting a 2nd table pretty easily. It was this suggestion of a third table at times and me thinking you sat in the middle seats for that.

    I would think that you'd want a seat at the edges of a table so that you can see the 2nd table without much strain and pay attention to both with relative ease. It is true that people don't obscure you as much when you have the middle seats but it would make your repetitive behavior suspicious but it is a guess.

    Anyway, I'm done with this. I really don't have an educated opinion, I'm just explaining how I see it as a layperson who has played a reasonable amount of blackjack in their life. No more trolling of you.
    It is official. Redietz will never be on Dan Druff's podcast. "too much integrity"

  4. #64
    Originally Posted by accountinquestion View Post

    Anyway, I'm done with this. I really don't have an educated opinion,
    This is true, but yet you continue to have an opinion.

    Only thing I will ask before we conclude is for you to explain to me how sitting in any other seat provides a view of another table next to you?

    If you are at 1st base or the seat next to it, you can't see the table behind you unless you have eyes in the back of your head. You can't see the table to the left because any players at YOUR table sitting at 3rd base or the seat next to it will be blocking you before you even consider players at the next table.

    Sitting at 3rd base or the seat next it is just the opposite, players at YOUR table at first base will be blocking you. The thing about the middle seat(s) is that because of the curvature of the table, no one at you table is blocking anything.

  5. #65
    I would think if it is something you employed, you'd manage players being in your way. Players at other table can also obstruct you regardless of which seat you're in.

    Yes, I understand you have best view from middle seats but it would also be most awkward. Players can get in your way regardless and middle seats help fix that.
    It is official. Redietz will never be on Dan Druff's podcast. "too much integrity"

  6. #66
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by accountinquestion View Post

    Anyway, I'm done with this. I really don't have an educated opinion,
    This is true, but yet you continue to have an opinion.

    Only thing I will ask before we conclude is for you to explain to me how sitting in any other seat provides a view of another table next to you?

    If you are at 1st base or the seat next to it, you can't see the table behind you unless you have eyes in the back of your head. You can't see the table to the left because any players at YOUR table sitting at 3rd base or the seat next to it will be blocking you before you even consider players at the next table.

    Sitting at 3rd base or the seat next it is just the opposite, players at YOUR table at first base will be blocking you. The thing about the middle seat(s) is that because of the curvature of the table, no one at you table is blocking anything.
    I have an educated opinion: you are full of shit.

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