Betty White dead….gambling advice

[tableplay]

How often do you have a multipler from a previous pat hand? I estimated 1 in 4-5ish but TBH I didn't care enough to look it up so I ballparked.

Do you disagree ?

Someone is clearly giving you bad info.

If you want to look around for the odds of having jacks or better dealt pat then you'll have the right number.

You're welcome.

edit -
Actually I went back and did the math from other #s I found. My ballpark was pretty fucking spot on with 5x. (you hit a pat hand a little over 20% of the time) Granted I didn't multiply it out exactly which is why I said roughly.

I hope you find this info useful as it has wasted several minutes of my time but i'm always glad to help.

No, you will not have the right number. You believed you had the right number because you thought the dealt hand determined the next spin's multiplier(s):
So, in a non-wild card variant, you hit a pat hand a little over 20% of the time as you correctly state. The only way the multipliers created after the draw generated from the pat hand on the deal remain the same is if the pat hand doesn't improve on the draw. If the hand(s) do improve, the multiplier changes after hand resolution for each hand that improves (if any). You absolutely thought the deal sets the multiplier for the next spin/deal even though you stated today that you knew how it worked (and yes, you know how it works now, but not back then). JOB UX example: You get dealt a pair of jacks. This will only generate a next-hand 2x multiplier for the next spin if the pair of jacks don't improve after the draw (unless you get a four of a kind from the pair of jacks in 3-line JOB UX) - if the pair does improve, the multiplier for the next spin will not be 2X (unless you get a four of a kind from the pair of jacks in 3-line JOB UX). Even though the excerpt from the post above and other posts in that thread clearly indicate you thought the dealt hand created the multiplier for the next spin rather than the final hand before the next spin.

[mickeycrimm]

[QUOTE=accountinquestion;149644]

Mickey actually does contribute a lot of interesting stuff and stories. He isn't badgered anymore than he badgers others. You need to get out of the victim mentality.

When a troll war flares up and the troll posts go back and forth over time many forget which party started the flaming first. You will have to go back 17 years to find a troll war I've been in where I was the one that started it. Every troll war I've been in on VCT was started by the other party. I was attacked by them first. I got badgered so returned the favor. Saying I badger others is misleading.

[mickeycrimm]

[QUOTE=accountinquestion;149646]

PS - Calling someone a troll just because they politely post counter-evidence to whatever message you're spreading is not a "troll". I understand psychologically why you want to write me off as one. It prevents you from having to actually confront the other side.

Politely? Give it a break. You've already admitted that you are condescending. Monet has given up a ton of information on advantage plays in Las Vegas since he has been on this forum. If your heart was really in learning advantage gambling you would be paying attention. Instead you want to mock it. Don't give up your day job.

[accountinquestion]

[QUOTE=mickeycrimm;149652]

PS - Calling someone a troll just because they politely post counter-evidence to whatever message you're spreading is not a "troll". I understand psychologically why you want to write me off as one. It prevents you from having to actually confront the other side.

Politely? Give it a break. You've already admitted that you are condescending. Monet has given up a ton of information on advantage plays in Las Vegas since he has been on this forum. If your heart was really in learning advantage gambling you would be paying attention. Instead you want to mock it. Don't give up your day job.

You're the one who randomly calls me a rube very recently and such because I tend to believe the FL insurance industry IS actually hurting. I guess that somehow doesn't count?. I'm pretty sure I responded with far more respect, but hey lets not let details get in the way.

Likewise any mention of Trump even if relatively neutral has me attacked by you and it often isnt particularly nice. I'm a big boy though, I can take it.

Regardless, I don't recall Monet posting anything particularly interesting. He posts his VP hits and things but that isn't really useful info IMO. Maybe he posted before or maybe I just don't remember the things of value. Regardless all I did was post a peer-reviewed article and people start whining about me being a troll just because it disagrees with their perception of reality. Whatevers, some people really need a safe place to be themselves.

[accountinquestion]

How often do you have a multipler from a previous pat hand? I estimated 1 in 4-5ish but TBH I didn't care enough to look it up so I ballparked.

Do you disagree ?

Someone is clearly giving you bad info.

If you want to look around for the odds of having jacks or better dealt pat then you'll have the right number.

You're welcome.

edit -
Actually I went back and did the math from other #s I found. My ballpark was pretty fucking spot on with 5x. (you hit a pat hand a little over 20% of the time) Granted I didn't multiply it out exactly which is why I said roughly.

I hope you find this info useful as it has wasted several minutes of my time but i'm always glad to help.

No, you will not have the right number. You believed you had the right number because you thought the dealt hand determined the next spin's multiplier(s):
So, in a non-wild card variant, you hit a pat hand a little over 20% of the time as you correctly state. The only way the multipliers created after the draw generated from the pat hand on the deal remain the same is if the pat hand doesn't improve on the draw. If the hand(s) do improve, the multiplier changes after hand resolution for each hand that improves (if any). You absolutely thought the deal sets the multiplier for the next spin/deal even though you stated today that you knew how it worked (and yes, you know how it works now, but not back then). JOB UX example: You get dealt a pair of jacks. This will only generate a next-hand 2x multiplier for the next spin if the pair of jacks don't improve after the draw (unless you get a four of a kind from the pair of jacks in 3-line JOB UX) - if the pair does improve, the multiplier for the next spin will not be 2X (unless you get a four of a kind from the pair of jacks in 3-line JOB UX). Even though the excerpt from the post above and other posts in that thread clearly indicate you thought the dealt hand created the multiplier for the next spin rather than the final hand before the next spin.

I glanced at it and thought the multiplers on the screen were for the existing hand and off this I based my number. Which caued me to be wrong. I admitted it and being wrong, but hey you win!!!

But LOL explain UX to me if you think it proves I don't know it works.

Maybe Monet can explain the callouses on your knees?

[tableplay]

Maybe Monet can explain the callouses on your knees?

PS - Calling someone a troll just because they politely post counter-evidence to whatever message you're spreading is not a "troll".

I glanced at it and thought the multiplers on the screen were for the existing hand and off this I based my number. Which caued me to be wrong. I admitted it and being wrong, but hey you win!!!

Yes, the multipliers that say "Next hand 2x" .

Regardless, I don't recall Monet posting anything particularly interesting.

Of course not - you opine on things you know nothing about as well as on things you give a glance. The fact that you have to take a line of credit out in an environment where casinos are practically giving money away makes it unsurprising that you would not know the value of Monet's Hot Sucker posts. It sure is odd that Monet's Hot Sucker posts resulted in several APs PMing him begging him to stop publicly posting his Hot Sucker posts.

[accountinquestion]

I glanced at it and thought the multiplers on the screen were for the existing hand and off this I based my number. Which caued me to be wrong. I admitted it and being wrong, but hey you win!!!

Yes, the multipliers that say "Next hand 2x" .

Regardless, I don't recall Monet posting anything particularly interesting.

Of course not - you opine on things you know nothing about as well as on things you give a glance. The fact that you have to take a line of credit out in an environment where casinos are practically giving money away makes it unsurprising that you would not know the value of Monet's Hot Sucker posts. It sure is odd that Monet's Hot Sucker posts resulted in several APs PMing him begging him to stop publicly posting his Hot Sucker posts.

I'm not going to argue over UX. I know where my mistake was. I'm not sure the context or anything else you're posting nor do I care to spend my time. If you want to think UX went over my head then go ahead. I actually did misunderstand something about UX until somewhat recently but it has 100% nothing to do with that post. I can admit things but i get it, you really want to prove otherwise. I just didn't pay enough attention to the picture and misattributed to the multipliers. If there was some value in me going back and revisiting I would but it is FAR FAR more important to you.

Yes, I'm trolling you. I rarely troll monet. Monet at least has a personality. You don't. You just kiss butt constantly. What an annoying trait. I'm the opposite of you.

I can't find the Hot Sucker thread. I remember the name, just forget the content. I can be wrong. Give me a link and I can see what all info he gives. I thought it was just sports picks, oh the parlay thing? I'm not interested in betting sports.

I haven't trolled Monet in some time or Mickey for that matter.

Anyway, the point was whatever started this off was not a troll in any way. I just posted a peer reviewed study from a respectable journal/research institution.

[monet]

This is a fact. And if you ever travel outside of Vegas to the Midwest or east hit me up. I wouldn’t post my stuff public but would in private. The hot sucker thread and progressive road map was really good for anyone new to Vegas. I often reference it when people ask me because I’m not active in Vegas anymore.

Of course, it is very dated, but the fundamental concept is all laid out which should be of some use.
I had plenty more to add to the Progressive Roadmap Thread but I got lazy and uninterested to continue on with it.
Same goes for the massage parlor thread.
I also got a little worried that if I posted a couple of the really crazy massage parlors they might get busted and that's bad for everyone.
I don't get paid or anything so I just do these things when the mood strikes.
And I rarely engage in the backdoor PM world.
I post everything out in the open.
This is the best site because it is basically uncensored and I approve of that concept.
Now get back out there and start replicating more Caucasians!

[monet]

It sure is odd that Monet's Hot Sucker posts resulted in several APs PMing him begging him to stop publicly posting his Hot Sucker posts.

More like Angrily Requesting lol.
AssholeWolf sent me a couple of PM's demanding that I keep his name out of my posts lol lol lol.
I found the concept of slandering an anonymous user name amusing.
I did not respond to said PMs as they just went into the trash.
Now that I think about it, I think RS said the same thing in a public post to me.
Something like don't use my name in your posts lol lol lol.

[tableplay]

Yes, I'm trolling you. I rarely troll monet. Monet at least has a personality. You don't. You just kiss butt constantly. What an annoying trait. I'm the opposite of you.

PS - Calling someone a troll just because they politely post counter-evidence to whatever message you're spreading is not a "troll".

[tableplay]

I can't find the Hot Sucker thread.

And yet you opine on his lack of contributions. I guess when Axelwolf PMed Monet, to stop posting this type of information, it was just a joke since Monet doesn't post anything of value according to you. And if someone points out your shit - they are just brown-nosing the person you are incorrectly attacking.

[monet]

And yet you opine on his lack of contributions. I guess when Axelwolf PMed Monet, to stop posting this type of information, it was just a joke since Monet doesn't post anything of value according to you. And if someone points out your shit - they are just brown-nosing the person you are incorrectly attacking.

It took me a year or two but I finally got around to playing a little with my PS4 again.
Anyways, at the time of purchase, I bought a bunch of used games, and The Golf Club 2019 was one of the games that I bought for 6 dollars.
So I never played it once until yesterday.
It's dumbed down but it feels like a combination of simulation mixed with some arcade style.
Links LS 98 up to 2003 was the best golf game series IMO and had the best free online communities.
The PGA Career Mode is pretty darn fun in this Golf Club 2019 game.
The problem is that I'm way behind as 2k23 Tiger Woods Edition is due out in a week lol.
It's basically an updated version of The Golf Club 2019.
The new game has a price tag of 110 dollars or more!!
That's nuts.
I'll wait for it to go on sale in late November, on Black Friday or Cyber Monday.
Sorry for the interruption.
Get back to arguing with that Electric Vehicle owner.
The good news is that I have managed to keep this thread alive for 9 pages and counting!

[accountinquestion]

I can't find the Hot Sucker thread.

And yet you opine on his lack of contributions. I guess when Axelwolf PMed Monet, to stop posting this type of information, it was just a joke since Monet doesn't post anything of value according to you. And if someone points out your shit - they are just brown-nosing the person you are incorrectly attacking.

Those words sound a bit strict. Are you sure thats what I said? Anyway, if Seedvalue says some of his posts are great then cool. Maybe I've downplayed them. I tried search and it didn't readily work. I could easily be wrong.It would be easy to forget such things. My point was more like you guys want to dismiss me because I never post anything related. LOL that I took out a marker. I had to show them 20x+ balance for a year to get that marker. It was a joke but I have a better idea how the process works. Big fucking deal. I expected 10k. It also showed me how incompetent bellgio employees seem. Just wow. Turning part of it into slot tickets requires a special cage etc in that hosts office. I'm not sure why this is even a thing. oooh I took a marker and discussed it a bit! I took out a line of credit which I had to clearly have the funds for... they don't just give you $$ that you can't easily pay back.

It is funny - I actually posted a bit about something semi-interesting just because I don't people around here deal in markers. Then you hold it up as me being broke or incompetent or whatever point it is you're trying to make.

Look TP, you seem like a really nice guy. Thats why you're so nice to Monet. That callouses on your knees is obvious over the top bullshit that no one would take seriously. I'm rather crude at times. I thought that was ok around here. It was all symbolic nonsense but I'll stop. You can say thank you to him all you want and I'll try my best to refrain.

The UX thing was literally me misattributing the multipliers. I don't play the game often. There are clearly MULTIPLE reasons that was way off and a bit embarrassing, however I bet you $$ that if you take what I say I can come up with the math where it made sense. I just smoke weed then go off on VCT at times. Whatever pops out of my head. I thought at the time there were back to back longshots, or at least thats how I remember it. Maybe I'm wrong but not going to spend too much time on it. It is one of those things I clearly should have noticed early on. These type of flame wars are pretty much the lamest.

If you want to consider this capitulation then sure. I will still post contrarian views, but when I post legitimate stuff and not nonsense partisan drivel.. yanno, all academics are just like paid shills these days. Always been that way.. Everyone in the world values the dollar over their reputation (except you of course, my dear reader).. unfortunately I completely disagree with all this but sure there is some wisdom in it and people should always be aware of corruption where they can. Most people just too lazy.

If anything, be mad that there are only 2 political parties in competition. So thats how the study was done given the defering attitudes towards vaccinations.

Both of these parties are corporate whores and full of citizens who roll over n along with it. So thats how the study was done - compare one against the other.

Kleptocracy via corproate consolidated power and or other bullshit. It is sorta the new slavery. I was just tlaking to someone today and tollroad company starting to use "dark pattterns". jfc.

[tableplay]

And yet you opine on his lack of contributions. I guess when Axelwolf PMed Monet, to stop posting this type of information, it was just a joke since Monet doesn't post anything of value according to you. And if someone points out your shit - they are just brown-nosing the person you are incorrectly attacking.

It took me a year or two but I finally got around to playing a little with my PS4 again.
Anyways, at the time of purchase, I bought a bunch of used games, and The Golf Club 2019 was one of the games that I bought for 6 dollars.
So I never played it once until yesterday.
It's dumbed down but it feels like a combination of simulation mixed with some arcade style.
Links LS 98 up to 2003 was the best golf game series IMO and had the best free online communities.
The PGA Career Mode is pretty darn fun in this Golf Club 2019 game.
The problem is that I'm way behind as 2k23 Tiger Woods Edition is due out in a week lol.
It's basically an updated version of The Golf Club 2019.
The new game has a price tag of 110 dollars or more!!
That's nuts.
I'll wait for it to go on sale in late November, on Black Friday or Cyber Monday.
Sorry for the interruption.
Get back to arguing with that Electric Vehicle owner.
The good news is that I have managed to keep this thread alive for 9 pages and counting!

Yup, there is so much good stuff out there that is not new, there is no reason not to wait. GTA would be a another example, like your golf example. I had a Sony PSP back in 2006, and I played Grand Theft Auto Vice City Stories on it quite a bit. I know that even now I would find that very entertaining 16 years later. With this in mind, it's a obviously a no brainer that I could find $5 or $10 Walmart bin games made much later than 2006 that I would really like. So to me it would be crazy to spend any kind of money on this kind of stuff. IIRC, super sharps were making some money on Golden Tee golf which was all over the place at bars across the country as you know. I haven't played any of the console golf games or Golden Tee golf so I don't know how closely they track.

[monet]

Yup, there is so much good stuff out there that is not new, there is no reason not to wait. GTA would be a another example, like your golf example. I had a Sony PSP back in 2006, and I played Grand Theft Auto Vice City Stories on it quite a bit. I know that even now I would find that very entertaining 16 years later. With this in mind, it's a obviously a no brainer that I could find $5 or $10 Walmart bin games made much later than 2006 that I would really like. So to me it would be crazy to spend any kind of money on this kind of stuff. IIRC, super sharps were making some money on Golden Tee golf which was all over the place at bars across the country as you know. I haven't played any of the console golf games or Golden Tee golf so I don't know how closely they track.

Oh right, I forgot about Golden Tee.
I have to give that a close second place because of that track ball.
And like you say the Hustle Factor.
I dunno about waiting lol.
I'm getting a little geeked up watching this guy demo out the new 2k23 Tigerwoods before it launches next week.
I might have to drop 110 or 200 on this game for the PC and keep 2019 on the PS4 for an alternate choice.
I'd rather wait for a 50% or 70% off sale, but the visuals look pretty good and the huge selling point for me is that they are finally adding all the 4 Major Championships and Courses to the game.
The problem with this game is that I could get lost for a year or so if I get involved in some fun online league.
This is the type of game that I can get massively addicted to if I can play against other players online.
Civ IV, V and VI owned me for over 10 years and over 20,000 hours played.

[Treeshade]

I can't find the Hot Sucker thread.

And yet you opine on his lack of contributions. I guess when Axelwolf PMed Monet, to stop posting this type of information, it was just a joke since Monet doesn't post anything of value according to you. And if someone points out your shit - they are just brown-nosing the person you are incorrectly attacking.

Those words sound a bit strict. Are you sure thats what I said? Anyway, if Seedvalue says some of his posts are great then cool. Maybe I've downplayed them. I tried search and it didn't readily work. I could easily be wrong.It would be easy to forget such things. My point was more like you guys want to dismiss me because I never post anything related. LOL that I took out a marker. I had to show them 20x+ balance for a year to get that marker. It was a joke but I have a better idea how the process works. Big fucking deal. I expected 10k. It also showed me how incompetent bellgio employees seem. Just wow. Turning part of it into slot tickets requires a special cage etc in that hosts office. I'm not sure why this is even a thing. oooh I took a marker and discussed it a bit! I took out a line of credit which I had to clearly have the funds for... they don't just give you $$ that you can't easily pay back.

It is funny - I actually posted a bit about something semi-interesting just because I don't people around here deal in markers. Then you hold it up as me being broke or incompetent or whatever point it is you're trying to make.

Look TP, you seem like a really nice guy. Thats why you're so nice to Monet. That callouses on your knees is obvious over the top bullshit that no one would take seriously. I'm rather crude at times. I thought that was ok around here. It was all symbolic nonsense but I'll stop. You can say thank you to him all you want and I'll try my best to refrain.

The UX thing was literally me misattributing the multipliers. I don't play the game often. There are clearly MULTIPLE reasons that was way off and a bit embarrassing, however I bet you $$ that if you take what I say I can come up with the math where it made sense. I just smoke weed then go off on VCT at times. Whatever pops out of my head. I thought at the time there were back to back longshots, or at least thats how I remember it. Maybe I'm wrong but not going to spend too much time on it. It is one of those things I clearly should have noticed early on. These type of flame wars are pretty much the lamest.

If you want to consider this capitulation then sure. I will still post contrarian views, but when I post legitimate stuff and not nonsense partisan drivel.. yanno, all academics are just like paid shills these days. Always been that way.. Everyone in the world values the dollar over their reputation (except you of course, my dear reader).. unfortunately I completely disagree with all this but sure there is some wisdom in it and people should always be aware of corruption where they can. Most people just too lazy.

If anything, be mad that there are only 2 political parties in competition. So thats how the study was done given the defering attitudes towards vaccinations.

Both of these parties are corporate whores and full of citizens who roll over n along with it. So thats how the study was done - compare one against the other.

Kleptocracy via corproate consolidated power and or other bullshit. It is sorta the new slavery. I was just tlaking to someone today and tollroad company starting to use "dark pattterns". jfc.

Top contributors on these forums over the years IMO

Mickey
Mamet for WOV
Drich WOV
Monet

Axel doesn’t share anything useful but sometimes he slips up.

Honorable mention Darkoz on the card game

[Treeshade]

And yet you opine on his lack of contributions. I guess when Axelwolf PMed Monet, to stop posting this type of information, it was just a joke since Monet doesn't post anything of value according to you. And if someone points out your shit - they are just brown-nosing the person you are incorrectly attacking.

Those words sound a bit strict. Are you sure thats what I said? Anyway, if Seedvalue says some of his posts are great then cool. Maybe I've downplayed them. I tried search and it didn't readily work. I could easily be wrong.It would be easy to forget such things. My point was more like you guys want to dismiss me because I never post anything related. LOL that I took out a marker. I had to show them 20x+ balance for a year to get that marker. It was a joke but I have a better idea how the process works. Big fucking deal. I expected 10k. It also showed me how incompetent bellgio employees seem. Just wow. Turning part of it into slot tickets requires a special cage etc in that hosts office. I'm not sure why this is even a thing. oooh I took a marker and discussed it a bit! I took out a line of credit which I had to clearly have the funds for... they don't just give you $$ that you can't easily pay back.

It is funny - I actually posted a bit about something semi-interesting just because I don't people around here deal in markers. Then you hold it up as me being broke or incompetent or whatever point it is you're trying to make.

Look TP, you seem like a really nice guy. Thats why you're so nice to Monet. That callouses on your knees is obvious over the top bullshit that no one would take seriously. I'm rather crude at times. I thought that was ok around here. It was all symbolic nonsense but I'll stop. You can say thank you to him all you want and I'll try my best to refrain.

The UX thing was literally me misattributing the multipliers. I don't play the game often. There are clearly MULTIPLE reasons that was way off and a bit embarrassing, however I bet you $$ that if you take what I say I can come up with the math where it made sense. I just smoke weed then go off on VCT at times. Whatever pops out of my head. I thought at the time there were back to back longshots, or at least thats how I remember it. Maybe I'm wrong but not going to spend too much time on it. It is one of those things I clearly should have noticed early on. These type of flame wars are pretty much the lamest.

If you want to consider this capitulation then sure. I will still post contrarian views, but when I post legitimate stuff and not nonsense partisan drivel.. yanno, all academics are just like paid shills these days. Always been that way.. Everyone in the world values the dollar over their reputation (except you of course, my dear reader).. unfortunately I completely disagree with all this but sure there is some wisdom in it and people should always be aware of corruption where they can. Most people just too lazy.

If anything, be mad that there are only 2 political parties in competition. So thats how the study was done given the defering attitudes towards vaccinations.

Both of these parties are corporate whores and full of citizens who roll over n along with it. So thats how the study was done - compare one against the other.

Kleptocracy via corproate consolidated power and or other bullshit. It is sorta the new slavery. I was just tlaking to someone today and tollroad company starting to use "dark pattterns". jfc.

Top contributors on these forums over the years IMO

Mickey
Mamet for WOV
Drich WOV
Monet

Axel doesn’t share anything useful but sometimes he slips up.

Honorable mention Darkoz on the card game

Here’s just one post from Mamet

“Some US slots have different paybacks for different bet sizes.

The old Aruze "Rescue Spins" advertised "over 95% payback at max bet", and the configuration screens confirmed this claim.
Max Bet: 95.02% (I think)
Other Bets: 88-89-90% or whatever (not sure what the full set of possibilities was, since I've never seen any PAR sheet revision).


This led to AP strategies which used martingale-like bet increases as counters approached 0.
Max bet immediately, 100 spins-to-go, 50?, 25?, 10?, 5?, 2?...depending on multiplier.

At one casino, the rescue spins were worth $2K-3K/wk ($8-12K/month, EV/play = $25 avg) and there was an interesting community of dedicated "Rescue Spin APs" who didn't know how to play any other slots (and didn't socialize with most machine-APs). In most casinos, rescue spins were almost worthless ($2-5/play, low volume), so traveling APs usually had no idea what was happening, or why the crazy locals were playing so aggressively.

----
Currently, there are some popular AP slots which have different paybacks for different bet sizes.”

He regularly posted to much information lol

[tableplay]

Yup, there is so much good stuff out there that is not new, there is no reason not to wait. GTA would be a another example, like your golf example. I had a Sony PSP back in 2006, and I played Grand Theft Auto Vice City Stories on it quite a bit. I know that even now I would find that very entertaining 16 years later. With this in mind, it's a obviously a no brainer that I could find $5 or $10 Walmart bin games made much later than 2006 that I would really like. So to me it would be crazy to spend any kind of money on this kind of stuff. IIRC, super sharps were making some money on Golden Tee golf which was all over the place at bars across the country as you know. I haven't played any of the console golf games or Golden Tee golf so I don't know how closely they track.

Oh right, I forgot about Golden Tee.
I have to give that a close second place because of that track ball.
And like you say the Hustle Factor.
I dunno about waiting lol.
I'm getting a little geeked up watching this guy demo out the new 2k23 Tigerwoods before it launches next week.
I might have to drop 110 or 200 on this game for the PC and keep 2019 on the PS4 for an alternate choice.
I'd rather wait for a 50% or 70% off sale, but the visuals look pretty good and the huge selling point for me is that they are finally adding all the 4 Major Championships and Courses to the game.
The problem with this game is that I could get lost for a year or so if I get involved in some fun online league.
This is the type of game that I can get massively addicted to if I can play against other players online.
Civ IV, V and VI owned me for over 10 years and over 20,000 hours played.

Ok the physics look pretty tight on this Monet - I definitely can see why people would put a lot of hours into playing this (and I can't imagine the hours put in to program/create it).
Edit: hold on a sec. I incorrectly stated I hadn't played any console golf. Actually, I did play the Mattel Intellivision golf back in 1980 and enjoyed it. IIRC this was one of the core games that came out when Intellivison was first released (obviously now it has a well-justified cult following). My favorite Intellivision game was Baseball and I enjoyed many of the games that came out for this console back then.

[tableplay]

I can't find the Hot Sucker thread.

And yet you opine on his lack of contributions. I guess when Axelwolf PMed Monet, to stop posting this type of information, it was just a joke since Monet doesn't post anything of value according to you. And if someone points out your shit - they are just brown-nosing the person you are incorrectly attacking.

Those words sound a bit strict. Are you sure thats what I said? Anyway, if Seedvalue says some of his posts are great then cool. Maybe I've downplayed them. I tried search and it didn't readily work. I could easily be wrong.It would be easy to forget such things. My point was more like you guys want to dismiss me because I never post anything related. LOL that I took out a marker. I had to show them 20x+ balance for a year to get that marker. It was a joke but I have a better idea how the process works. Big fucking deal. I expected 10k. It also showed me how incompetent bellgio employees seem. Just wow. Turning part of it into slot tickets requires a special cage etc in that hosts office. I'm not sure why this is even a thing. oooh I took a marker and discussed it a bit! I took out a line of credit which I had to clearly have the funds for... they don't just give you $$ that you can't easily pay back.

It is funny - I actually posted a bit about something semi-interesting just because I don't people around here deal in markers. Then you hold it up as me being broke or incompetent or whatever point it is you're trying to make.

Look TP, you seem like a really nice guy. Thats why you're so nice to Monet. That callouses on your knees is obvious over the top bullshit that no one would take seriously. I'm rather crude at times. I thought that was ok around here. It was all symbolic nonsense but I'll stop. You can say thank you to him all you want and I'll try my best to refrain.

The UX thing was literally me misattributing the multipliers. I don't play the game often. There are clearly MULTIPLE reasons that was way off and a bit embarrassing, however I bet you $$ that if you take what I say I can come up with the math where it made sense. I just smoke weed then go off on VCT at times. Whatever pops out of my head. I thought at the time there were back to back longshots, or at least thats how I remember it. Maybe I'm wrong but not going to spend too much time on it. It is one of those things I clearly should have noticed early on. These type of flame wars are pretty much the lamest.

If you want to consider this capitulation then sure. I will still post contrarian views, but when I post legitimate stuff and not nonsense partisan drivel.. yanno, all academics are just like paid shills these days. Always been that way.. Everyone in the world values the dollar over their reputation (except you of course, my dear reader).. unfortunately I completely disagree with all this but sure there is some wisdom in it and people should always be aware of corruption where they can. Most people just too lazy.

If anything, be mad that there are only 2 political parties in competition. So thats how the study was done given the defering attitudes towards vaccinations.

Both of these parties are corporate whores and full of citizens who roll over n along with it. So thats how the study was done - compare one against the other.

Kleptocracy via corproate consolidated power and or other bullshit. It is sorta the new slavery. I was just tlaking to someone today and tollroad company starting to use "dark pattterns". jfc.

The scenario where it made sense would be when the pair of Jacks don't improve on any of the hands or in a three-handed JOB UX scenario where all three hands improve to four of a kinds from the jacks hold. In those instances, the pair of jacks lead to 2X next hand multipliers on all hands (UX is offered as 1-hand[all star 5 machines],3-hand,5-hand, and 10-hand). The math on this is trivial and I certainly wouldn't put any money on it.
Regards, TP.

[Ozzy]

And yet you opine on his lack of contributions. I guess when Axelwolf PMed Monet, to stop posting this type of information, it was just a joke since Monet doesn't post anything of value according to you. And if someone points out your shit - they are just brown-nosing the person you are incorrectly attacking.

Those words sound a bit strict. Are you sure thats what I said? Anyway, if Seedvalue says some of his posts are great then cool. Maybe I've downplayed them. I tried search and it didn't readily work. I could easily be wrong.It would be easy to forget such things. My point was more like you guys want to dismiss me because I never post anything related. LOL that I took out a marker. I had to show them 20x+ balance for a year to get that marker. It was a joke but I have a better idea how the process works. Big fucking deal. I expected 10k. It also showed me how incompetent bellgio employees seem. Just wow. Turning part of it into slot tickets requires a special cage etc in that hosts office. I'm not sure why this is even a thing. oooh I took a marker and discussed it a bit! I took out a line of credit which I had to clearly have the funds for... they don't just give you $$ that you can't easily pay back.

It is funny - I actually posted a bit about something semi-interesting just because I don't people around here deal in markers. Then you hold it up as me being broke or incompetent or whatever point it is you're trying to make.

Look TP, you seem like a really nice guy. Thats why you're so nice to Monet. That callouses on your knees is obvious over the top bullshit that no one would take seriously. I'm rather crude at times. I thought that was ok around here. It was all symbolic nonsense but I'll stop. You can say thank you to him all you want and I'll try my best to refrain.

The UX thing was literally me misattributing the multipliers. I don't play the game often. There are clearly MULTIPLE reasons that was way off and a bit embarrassing, however I bet you $$ that if you take what I say I can come up with the math where it made sense. I just smoke weed then go off on VCT at times. Whatever pops out of my head. I thought at the time there were back to back longshots, or at least thats how I remember it. Maybe I'm wrong but not going to spend too much time on it. It is one of those things I clearly should have noticed early on. These type of flame wars are pretty much the lamest.

If you want to consider this capitulation then sure. I will still post contrarian views, but when I post legitimate stuff and not nonsense partisan drivel.. yanno, all academics are just like paid shills these days. Always been that way.. Everyone in the world values the dollar over their reputation (except you of course, my dear reader).. unfortunately I completely disagree with all this but sure there is some wisdom in it and people should always be aware of corruption where they can. Most people just too lazy.

If anything, be mad that there are only 2 political parties in competition. So thats how the study was done given the defering attitudes towards vaccinations.

Both of these parties are corporate whores and full of citizens who roll over n along with it. So thats how the study was done - compare one against the other.

Kleptocracy via corproate consolidated power and or other bullshit. It is sorta the new slavery. I was just tlaking to someone today and tollroad company starting to use "dark pattterns". jfc.

Top contributors on these forums over the years IMO

Mickey
Mamet for WOV
Drich WOV
Monet

Axel doesn’t share anything useful but sometimes he slips up.

Honorable mention Darkoz on the card game

Mamat was a great short lived underrated poster. DRich not so much. What is so great about him ?