Alan vs. KJ

[coach belly]

MDawg would identify KJ and expose him.

Why do you believe tewlj's accusation that MDawg doxxed him?

Now the thing is Mdawg doxxed me...he has been sending around the information via PM to different people.

How would tewlj know what MDawg sent in a PM to anybody, unless the recipient was tewlj?

Has anyone come forward and confirmed or verified that they received PMs from MDawg doxxing tewlj?

This is just another example of tewlj making something up and presenting it as fact.

That kind of behavior was the genesis of this thread.

Alan never said he looked into it so he would have more money to gamble. That is a fiction/lie made up by KJ. But you know KJ. He always has to pull that shit.

[jdaewoo]

Oh look, coach question cunt has some questions. What a cunt.

[mickeycrimm]

I was concerned about KJ a long time ago when he first started writing about identifying (doxxing) MDawg. MDawg being wealthy and a lawyer meant he was the wrong guy to be fucking with. The unwritten rule of the advantage player community of not exposing an advantage player's identify does not spill over into the civilian world.

I mean, it does. Any identifying information posted about KewlJ by anyone would have been removed from here, GF or WoV and it would definitely be bye-bye if someone had done it on WoV. It's just a generally accepted rule on Forums, not even exclusive to AP's or gambling-related forums, that you don't Doxx people who are posting anonymously. It's not even a question that rises to the level of being controversial---you just don't do it.

It's basically using the very forums that everyone is posting on as a weapon to go after someone in real life. If you want to go after someone in real life, then the two should just get together and sort it out like men. If you don't want to do that, then keep the forum shit on the forums and don't bring anything outside of the forums into the equation.

You must not read 2 + 2

[mickeycrimm]

Why do you believe tewlj's accusation that MDawg doxxed him?



How would tewlj know what MDawg sent in a PM to anybody, unless the recipient was tewlj?

Has anyone come forward and confirmed or verified that they received PMs from MDawg doxxing tewlj?

This is just another example of tewlj making something up and presenting it as fact.

That kind of behavior was the genesis of this thread.

Alan never said he looked into it so he would have more money to gamble. That is a fiction/lie made up by KJ. But you know KJ. He always has to pull that shit.

It didn’t take an accusation by KJ. Long before his accusation I knew MDawg would identify and expose KJ. Anyone with half a brain could figure that one out.

[Mission146]

You must not read 2 + 2

I don't. I'll sometimes stumble on it while researching something specific, but I could go a year without looking at it.

[coach belly]

I knew MDawg would identify and expose KJ.

You knew that he would, and that's how you know that he did?

That's just confirmation bias.

[MisterV]

KJ:

Thanks for the explanation.

You might want to talk to LV attorney Bob Nersesian about the doxxing situation; you may be able to sue the doxxer for damages.

I won't get into possible legal theories here, just suggesting that if you can clearly prove the identity of the doxxer, and if you can show bad intent and consequential damages you might have a hefty payday, especially if the target defendant is wealthy.

[monet]

KJ:

Thanks for the explanation.

You might want to talk to LV attorney Bob Nersesian about the doxxing situation; you may be able to sue the doxxer for damages.

I won't get into possible legal theories here, just suggesting that if you can clearly prove the identity of the doxxer, and if you can show bad intent and consequential damages you might have a hefty payday, especially if the target defendant is wealthy.

After all the kewlJ lying you now believe kewlJ's new story... RIP

[MisterV]

After all the kewlJ lying you now believe kewlJ's new story... RIP

I suspect he was doxxed as he claims although I haven't viewed the post(s) on another site that allegedly doxxed him.

Note my suggestion that he consider talking to an attorney began with "IF you can show..."

But yeah, IF he can prove his allegations I suspect he has an actionable claim against the doxxer for damages, something that would survive a motion to dismiss or for summary judgment and should be able to go to the jury, if it ever got that far.

Hopefully he'll have made and kept copies of the doxxing post(s), or have another method of retrieving them.

He'll also need copies of the doxxer's pre-doxxing posts where he indicated his hostility toward KJ (need to show intent to damage).

This form of activity (preparing for and engaging in litigation) would seem to be right up KJ's alley, as there would be drama aplenty and with a bit of luck he'll get a six or seven figure verdict.

But the proof has to be solid and the attorney competent, and then there is the question of cost: will a competent attorney take this on a contingent fee?

Sic em, KJ!

[Ozzy]

According to the UNKOOL1, he speaks to Nersesian on a regular basis since they are friends and all. I'm sure Bob is up to date with everything that has transpired LMAO.

[MisterV]

KJ could well be full of shit, but if not the claim should be looked into.

How would you like it if somebody deliiberately took steps to fuck you over and make it essentially impossible to continue working a job which, til now, has been profitable?

This would be the acid test for KJ's credibility, I suppose; given the claims he made there should be enough for him to sue and win, but only IF he can prove his claim.

Bob may well have already looked into it; I suspect the cost of litigation will prevent any otherwise actionable claim from moving forward; taking this to trial after all the necessary preliminary work (depositions, discovery) will likely exceed fifty grand, and I suspect that is non-starter for KJ.

Maybe he can convince the lawyer to do it for a percentage; normally one third, but maybe one half?

By report the target defendant has sufficient assets to attract an attorney's interest, and the alleged doxxer may be willing to cough up a lot of money to settle the claim and not have it litigated.

I guess when you're the uncrowned king of the world anything is possible.

[mcap]

The problem is that if it happened as he said, the info in these databases isn’t intended to be available for anyone but the subscribing casino employees. IOW his pit friend would probably have to jeopardize his career for it to be theoretically actionable.

[mickeycrimm]

I knew MDawg would identify and expose KJ.

You knew that he would, and that's how you know that he did?

That's just confirmation bias.

Yes, I knew that he would, and that's how I know that he did.

It's my opinion KJ pushed things to far with MDawg so the Dawg did him in.

If someone has different ideas I'm willing to listen but for now I think I'm right.

[mickeycrimm]

When/if KJ goes back to playing BJ it should be in different jurisdictions than Nevada to see what happens. And he needs to bone up on disguises.

[mickeycrimm]

Dried up? For commercial state-regulated online casinos? There are states that don’t even have them yet, but will.

Anyway, if you want to shit on me for just trying to drop free info and help people out, whatever. You also don’t know some of the help I’ve provided privately to people. I could probably get a few of them to say as much, but I’d never ask or want them to. If I think someone is cool and they want to make a little extra scratch, then I’m only too happy to help. If they think they want to get seriously into AP (more serious than me, in one case), then I’ll help in anyway I can and don’t want anything from them in return…just that we consider each other friends is good enough for me.

I’d help you if you had something you wanted to know privately and I wasn’t giving information that I did not come about myself, of course, I’d probably have to be convinced you’re not yanking my chain and you’d have to ask a fairly direct question, at this point.

Also, I would think I’d have some idea of what my traffic is. Lol. You’re quite right the majority of internet users don’t, but probably the majority don’t visit quilting sites…and I’d assume at least one site about quilting exists, so I really don’t see your point.

For what it's worth Mission has helped me with the math of at least one complicated game.

[The Boz]

Dried up? For commercial state-regulated online casinos? There are states that don’t even have them yet, but will.

Anyway, if you want to shit on me for just trying to drop free info and help people out, whatever. You also don’t know some of the help I’ve provided privately to people. I could probably get a few of them to say as much, but I’d never ask or want them to. If I think someone is cool and they want to make a little extra scratch, then I’m only too happy to help. If they think they want to get seriously into AP (more serious than me, in one case), then I’ll help in anyway I can and don’t want anything from them in return…just that we consider each other friends is good enough for me.

I’d help you if you had something you wanted to know privately and I wasn’t giving information that I did not come about myself, of course, I’d probably have to be convinced you’re not yanking my chain and you’d have to ask a fairly direct question, at this point.

Also, I would think I’d have some idea of what my traffic is. Lol. You’re quite right the majority of internet users don’t, but probably the majority don’t visit quilting sites…and I’d assume at least one site about quilting exists, so I really don’t see your point.

For what it's worth Mission has helped me with the math of at least one complicated game.

It’s not “for what it’s worth”, Mission has always been there to help others understand certain situations. It’s worth a lot because the guy is one of the good ones on these forums.

From my first encounter with the guy years ago he was friendly to me and never judged me. Even when I was against him on the “situation” with a perceived scammer on WoV years ago. The dude is as honest as they come and as real a person as you will meet on these forums.

I’m sure I’ll get some shit but Mission is another example of me becoming a much better player from meeting the man. He’s certainly not the only one but the money I not only made, but saved by being on these forums made it a winning situation for me.

And while I play with the best of them and contribute more than my share to the garbage on here I’m glad I found these sites.

Those who don’t are missing the opportunities.

[redietz]

KJ could well be full of shit, but if not the claim should be looked into.

How would you like it if somebody deliiberately took steps to fuck you over and make it essentially impossible to continue working a job which, til now, has been profitable?

This would be the acid test for KJ's credibility, I suppose; given the claims he made there should be enough for him to sue and win, but only IF he can prove his claim.

Bob may well have already looked into it; I suspect the cost of litigation will prevent any otherwise actionable claim from moving forward; taking this to trial after all the necessary preliminary work (depositions, discovery) will likely exceed fifty grand, and I suspect that is non-starter for KJ.

Maybe he can convince the lawyer to do it for a percentage; normally one third, but maybe one half?

By report the target defendant has sufficient assets to attract an attorney's interest, and the alleged doxxer may be willing to cough up a lot of money to settle the claim and not have it litigated.

I guess when you're the uncrowned king of the world anything is possible.

Given his family context, MDawg would be in an embarrassing spot. I'd predict a settlement.

[Mission146]

Thank you to both Mickey and Boz! I'd only disagree with, "One of the good ones," I'm kind of an unreliable asshole, but I'm always willing to help!

I've got my flaws and my strengths like anyone else...hopefully they balance out enough that I can end my life at net zero, or better, in terms of how others view their dealings with me.

[Garnabby]

Given his family context, MDawg would be in an embarrassing spot. I'd predict a settlement.

[Garnabby]

Dried up? For commercial state-regulated online casinos? There are states that don’t even have them yet, but will.

Anyway, if you want to shit on me for just trying to drop free info and help people out, whatever. You also don’t know some of the help I’ve provided privately to people. I could probably get a few of them to say as much, but I’d never ask or want them to. If I think someone is cool and they want to make a little extra scratch, then I’m only too happy to help. If they think they want to get seriously into AP (more serious than me, in one case), then I’ll help in anyway I can and don’t want anything from them in return…just that we consider each other friends is good enough for me.

I’d help you if you had something you wanted to know privately and I wasn’t giving information that I did not come about myself, of course, I’d probably have to be convinced you’re not yanking my chain and you’d have to ask a fairly direct question, at this point.

Also, I would think I’d have some idea of what my traffic is. Lol. You’re quite right the majority of internet users don’t, but probably the majority don’t visit quilting sites…and I’d assume at least one site about quilting exists, so I really don’t see your point.

For what it's worth Mission has helped me with the math of at least one complicated game.

It’s not “for what it’s worth”, Mission has always been there to help others understand certain situations. It’s worth a lot because the guy is one of the good ones on these forums.

From my first encounter with the guy years ago he was friendly to me and never judged me. Even when I was against him on the “situation” with a perceived scammer on WoV years ago. The dude is as honest as they come and as real a person as you will meet on these forums.

I’m sure I’ll get some shit but Mission is another example of me becoming a much better player from meeting the man. He’s certainly not the only one but the money I not only made, but saved by being on these forums made it a winning situation for me.

And while I play with the best of them and contribute more than my share to the garbage on here I’m glad I found these sites.

Those who don’t are missing the opportunities.

What fucked up a lot of people was their prolonged involvement with and support of the so-called Wizard of Vegas. The time to shut the assholes down is before you figure out that they don't give a shit about you, too, trying to get something shitty for nothing.