mickeycrimm is correct.
There are 1,000,001 ways to manipulate win/losses via players cards. This is something very common for APs to do. If casinos catch this, they can of course ban you for it, but it's not illegal. It is up to you when you do or don't want your players card in the machine.
Even if they required a card in the machine at all times in order to play, this could still be manipulated via multiple people's cards.
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Regarding the tipping of the slot jockeys, trust me when I say that casinos don't give a shit if that revenue decreases. In fact, it's better for them, because fewer tips equals more money which can be lost back to the casino.
Handpays do a number of negative things for the casino:
1) Kills the gambling momentum. It's exciting to hit a big hand or a big slot pay, and watch the credit counter rise. It's not very exciting to wait to be paid the amount of that big hit by hand, sign forms, and then go back to the machine with the same number of credits you had before the hand started.
2) Gives gamblers a "cooling off" period, or signals it's time to quit. Casinos want the gamblers to keep pressing their lucks, and maybe play even bigger, feeling they're getting lucky. They do not want 10-20 minutes of "downtime" where the gambler twiddles his thumbs, and either returns to the same level of play, or even worse -- leaves.
3) Discourages people from playing higher limits. While certain high limits machines can be set to not lock up and only go into handpay mode at cashout time, this is something they typically do for machines which will repeatedly trigger handpays (such as $100/credit VP). However, many gamblers hate waiting around for handpays, and will avoid machines more likely to trigger them.
4) Eats money via tips which might otherwise get lose back to the casino.
5) Makes gamblers feel uncomfortable and/or annoys them when they're unclear on how much they need to tip in order to satisfy the handpay employee.
6) Makes losing gamblers angry that they will have to justify a "win" to the IRS which was actually a loss.
In the ideal world for casinos, gamblers are never interrupted by any outside factor, and keep spinning with the fewest number of possible excuses/reasons to quit.
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7) It can make the player a target, sitting there for 20 minutes waiting for your hand pay with bells ringing and people coming over to see what you have won.
I have had this happen at several "less desirable" locations. The one that stands out is Jerry's Nugget. I didn't drive my first couple years in Vegas (as I didn't back in Phila). So I found Jerry's Nugget, a short bus ride from downtown, through the homeless corridor and visited weekly for the weekly cash back (no free play at that time) and weekly Matchplay and free bet, table bets. Also liked the cafe.
So one day I hit a royale for $4000. Relatively small amount. But apparently not to the people that visited Jerry's Nugget. It seems just about every person in the casino came over to see what I had won, and inexplicably it took a supervisor with paperwork, an attendant to pay and 2 security officers to complete the transaction, which only drew even more attention. And after all this attention, I was walking out the door to the bus stop.
A surprisingly few number of casino’s have self pay for jackpots (Sometimes called EZ pay or fast pay)
You sign up for this at the cage or with a slot attendant and when you hit a jackpot you simply enter your pin to acknowledge the jackpot and electronically sign the W2. The winnings are added to your credits.
Only takes a few seconds and you go right back to playing. Eliminates all the above problems (tips, waiting, crooks seeing u get a handpay etc.) except for #6 the actual tax liability.
This has been available for years now but what I don’t understand is why only very few casinos currently offer it.
Seems like an absolute no brainer to be more widespread.
Only reason I can think of is that it is not more widely available is bcuz most players are low limit and rarely hit hand pays.
But you would think casinos would want to keep their big players happy.
It can make people a target? Whatdoyado--worry about the fizz in your soda shooting up your nose too? And you just exposed another lie about your concocted life with "Hey guys, I'm a pro bj player"! So you think handpays to slot players are "dangerous" because of wandering eyes, but all that claimed winning you do at the tables is somehow invisible.Originally Posted by kewlJ
7) It can make the player a target, sitting there for 20 minutes waiting for your hand pay with bells ringing and people coming over to see what you have won.
I have had this happen at several "less desirable" locations. The one that stands out is Jerry's Nugget. I didn't drive my first couple years in Vegas (as I didn't back in Phila). So I found Jerry's Nugget, a short bus ride from downtown, through the homeless corridor and visited weekly for the weekly cash back (no free play at that time) and weekly Matchplay and free bet, table bets. Also liked the cafe.
So one day I hit a royale for $4000. Relatively small amount. But apparently not to the people that visited Jerry's Nugget. It seems just about every person in the casino came over to see what I had won, and inexplicably it took a supervisor with paperwork, an attendant to pay and 2 security officers to complete the transaction, which only drew even more attention. And after all this attention, I was walking out the door to the bus stop.
Do you get yet why you're such a joke all across the gaming forums?
Big surprise that you take busses.
Boy, YOU have grown desperate. I have for more than a decade, since I moved to Vegas shared how I do some of the things I do, including, cash outs and money management of my chip inventory. When my partner was alive and managing my chip inventory, it was extremely efficient, managed in a way that minimized risk and detection, including risk from thieves and thugs. There were other players that commented that having someone else handle this, cash out at later times, ect, was the way to go. Now a days I handle my inventory myself which is a little more time consuming and less efficient, but I think I do pretty well.Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
As a table player, I am extremely aware of happenings around me, including people milling around. For most of my career, I played at a level that didn't draw attention from either the pit or other "people" in the casino. Max bets in the $400-$500 range. No one is getting excited about a guy wagering $400-$500 a hand for just a few hands when the count is good. ESPECIALLY when that is an exit trigger and I exit shortly after.
More recently as I revamped my play and attack to accommodate situations around covid, I have bumped up in my max bets to a level that yeah, maybe a few people walking by might take interest in, but again, this is MAX bet which occurs for only a few hands at a time, in the most advantage situations. BUT these higher max bets are also played during busier times when still there are others playing bigger than me. Always in the shadows of a bigger player. That is one of the keys.
Just another instance of you not having a clue of what you are talking about. Stay in your lane Rob. And that lane is failed AP and losing player.
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Once again, another rambling essay that just doesn't quite hit the mark. And why may that be? Kew trying sooo hard to convince people of his make believe world. And who could it be that's the laughing stock or forums everywhere? Who is it that claims to be the smartest big-shot constant winner to come down the bj pike in years? Well I'll be---its the famous KEW, of course! Why, he's so smart that the casino security people and pit bosses blow bubbles when he shows up! And here comes baby bro in tow....to haul out all the stealthy money.Originally Posted by kewlJBoy, YOU have grown desperate. I have for more than a decade, since I moved to Vegas shared how I do some of the things I do, including, cash outs and money management of my chip inventory. When my partner was alive and managing my chip inventory, it was extremely efficient, managed in a way that minimized risk and detection, including risk from thieves and thugs. There were other players that commented that having someone else handle this, cash out at later times, ect, was the way to go. Now a days I handle my inventory myself which is a little more time consuming and less efficient, but I think I do pretty well.Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
As a table player, I am extremely aware of happenings around me, including people milling around. For most of my career, I played at a level that didn't draw attention from either the pit or other "people" in the casino. Max bets in the $400-$500 range. No one is getting excited about a guy wagering $400-$500 a hand for just a few hands when the count is good. ESPECIALLY when that is an exit trigger and I exit shortly after.
More recently as I revamped my play and attack to accommodate situations around covid, I have bumped up in my max bets to a level that yeah, maybe a few people walking by might take interest in, but again, this is MAX bet which occurs for only a few hands at a time, in the most advantage situations. BUT these higher max bets are also played during busier times when still there are others playing bigger than me. Always in the shadows of a bigger player. That is one of the keys.
Just another instance of you not having a clue of what you are talking about. Stay in your lane Rob. And that lane is failed AP and losing player.
As I and many others have deduced: you are a JOKE!
Your ignorance on this and most gambling subject matters exposes you for not only the idiot that you are but that your lies and bitterness are fueled by your jealousy. You wanted so badly to make money from the casinos and failed. No matter what you do. No matter what you say. No matter what lies or hate you spew, you will take that failure to your grave.
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