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  1. #41
    These same casinos can easily make the minimum bet 10 credits per hand. So if you find left over multipliers on a 5 cent, 5 play game, they can make the minimum bet be $2.50. Some places already do this.

  2. #42
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    These same casinos can easily make the minimum bet 10 credits per hand. So if you find left over multipliers on a 5 cent, 5 play game, they can make the minimum bet be $2.50. Some places already do this.
    That is funny. I guess it eliminates the absolute, lowest limit players, but doesn't remove the advantage.

    Kind of reminds me of casinos that have a rule at the blackjack tables that if a player spread to two hands he has to bet twice as much and if he spreads to 3 hands it is 3 or sometimes even 4 times as much. So when the count goes +EV for the player and he spreads to 3 hands the dealer says "I am sorry sir, if you want to play 3 hands you have to bet 4 times minimum on each hand." The player feigning annoyance replies "well ok if that is the rule". Instant 1-12 bet spread courtesy of the casino.

  3. #43
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    These same casinos can easily make the minimum bet 10 credits per hand. So if you find left over multipliers on a 5 cent, 5 play game, they can make the minimum bet be $2.50. Some places already do this.
    That is funny. I guess it eliminates the absolute, lowest limit players, but doesn't remove the advantage.
    With a forced 10-coin bet per hand on UX, the player either has less of an advantage if the average next-hand multiplier per hand is greater than 2X (versus UX games that allow 5-coin bets per hand) or a disadvantage (versus UX games that allow 5-coin bets per hand which are still +EV with multipliers present) if the average multiplier per hand is 2X or less.
    Last edited by tableplay; 03-28-2022 at 03:30 PM.

  4. #44
    Originally Posted by Don Perignom View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    So....to me....all the talk about gaffing is just a red herring.
    Yes, gaffing has almost no meaning in the context of slot machines where probabilities are undisclosed. It concerns me though that designs may be evolving toward deception and trickery. If deception is normalized for slots, then it may stray into other game categories.

    My vp play has been relatively stress free, but I would like to hear more from tableplay about his (mostly) UX disparities, if not already discussed.

    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    I've made money in both environments (net up), but have made proportionately more money in regulated environments (taking into account bet size and action).
    The e-table category is potentially uncomfortable for operators because of structurally low house edges. Roulette at 5% is the exception. BJ can be protected with 6-to-5 payouts. But baccarat and craps are usually offered with normal payouts -- potentially a 1% or less edge without any skill required. I'm not accusing, but any moderate fudging of probabilities would significantly improve holds.
    If I were younger and had the time, with all the different computerized slot machines having tons of ways to line up winning "spins", I guarantee I'd find an exploitable glitch in at least one type of them within a couple of years time. We know the manufacturers are not infallible. We also know the casinos think the manufacturers are infallible.

  5. #45
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post

    I understand that from YOUR viewpoint.

    But he doesn't seem to have gone through his bankroll in all these years and there are one hell of a lot of people in this world that their existence is making enough to barely keep a roof over their head and a little chow in their stomach, sort of on a day to day basis.

    Now might be a good time to point out that of Americans who die, more than 70% die in debt, and the average debt for those in debt is more than 60K. So "treading water" is better than what a majority of Americans manage to do. Welcome to American reality.

    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/ameri...hssrp_catchall
    Redietz, this is about as misleading as anything you have ever posted. Having debt when one dies does not mean that one had zero net worth. You know that. So why do you keep putting up bullshit like this.

    When he died Joe Blow was living in his 250K house that he paid off 20 years before he died. Owned 200K in stocks and bonds. Had a pound of gold in his safe deposit box and a nice savings account. His cash flow was a 401K, Social Security and stock dividends.

    Because he had about 60K in liabilities/loans on cars and other play toys you want us to believe he died penniless.

    You are the one that needs a good dose of reality.
    A good dose of reality is just the beginning.

    We are frequently treated to kew joyfully posting how some cheap online snoop sites say my "net worth" is "less than" $50k--with kew of course asserting "that's at the high end, which Singer isn't close to". But could I really "die in debt" as redietz claims 70% of Americans do?

    Well....my doomsday safe, retirement account, and non-US holdings say something altogether different. Aside from the close to$120k in cash I keep on hand, we keep a certain amount of gold, govt bonds, and of my watch collection, one is worth over $50k itself. Not to mention the cache of firearms and nearly 15000 rounds of ammo.

    Is this stuff a part of snoopy's "estimate"? But I DO have an avg. monthly AMEX charge bill of several thousand or more every month, which to your avg. simpleton would suggest that if I died today, I'd die "in debt".

    And here's a good one for redietz. When I posted that "people who look me up will only find what I WANT them to find" he took it as if I was like anyone else who was trying to "clean up their online financial profile and credit report". But he got that backwards. My credit report is exactly as bad as I want it for my own safe haven reasons. And ditto for asset searches. Nothing new here either. I'd have never put my name out there in the gambling world in 2000 without having first FULLY prepared for every aspect of our life going forward.

    Talk about what is an advantage play and what is not. Most of you people have NO idea.

  6. #46
    Must you hijack EVERY fucking thread with your bullshit?

    No one gives a shit about Rob Singer or any of your attention craving bullshit.

  7. #47
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    These same casinos can easily make the minimum bet 10 credits per hand. So if you find left over multipliers on a 5 cent, 5 play game, they can make the minimum bet be $2.50. Some places already do this.
    Thanks JBJB. So basically then casinos are, in fact, concerned about UX bonus-hustling and some of them are taking measures against it in the form of mandatory 10-coin per hand bets. In my opinion, if we can answer the question of why they are concerned about UX bonus hustling then we can also answer the question about why one or more casinos might gaffe 5-coin per hand UX bets with one or more next-hand multipliers present. That is, I think the two answers to these two questions would have significant overlap if the two answers were not, in fact, identical.
    The verified measure you kindly posted and the hypothesized measure I posted both fall under the auspices of casino concern about UX bonus-hustling.

    Edit:I do recall some other measures which also indicate this concern:
    1. Wiping next-hand multipliers with some sort of reset (hard or some soft-specific technique) as verified by one more witnesses at high-end Las Vegas strip casinos
    2. The rumored next-hand multiplier time-out -I say rumored because I have not seen this myself nor have I read about confirmed witnesses to this.

  8. #48
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    These same casinos can easily make the minimum bet 10 credits per hand. So if you find left over multipliers on a 5 cent, 5 play game, they can make the minimum bet be $2.50. Some places already do this.
    That is funny. I guess it eliminates the absolute, lowest limit players, but doesn't remove the advantage.
    With a forced 10-coin bet per hand on UX, the player either has less of an advantage if the average next-hand multiplier per hand is greater than 2X (versus UX games that allow 5-coin bets per hand) or a disadvantage (versus UX games that allow 5-coin bets per hand which are still +EV with multipliers present) if the average multiplier per hand is 2X or less.
    Yeah, advantages can still be had, but a single 2x is now -EV.

  9. #49
    I've visited hundreds of casinos in the past five years and have yet to see a UX with a minimum ten coins per line. The exception is UX Bonus Streak. But that game was designed with a minimum ten coin bet per line.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  10. #50
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    I've visited hundreds of casinos in the past five years and have yet to see a UX with a minimum ten coins per line. The exception is UX Bonus Streak. But that game was designed with a minimum ten coin bet per line.
    That's a relief to hear that it is rare Mickey, thanks (I've only had unusual results with a very large sample size for regular UX at one specific casino and even then the results were at a profit).

  11. #51
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    I've visited hundreds of casinos in the past five years and have yet to see a UX with a minimum ten coins per line. The exception is UX Bonus Streak. But that game was designed with a minimum ten coin bet per line.
    They can also make the minimum bet amount just over the amount to bet 5 per line. I've seen $1.00 minimum on a nickel triple play UX machine.

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