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  1. #1561
    I and others "persist" in calling BULLSHIT to an avowed bullshitter, and you tap dance on the sidelines saying "maybe" or "what if."

    We all probably know Rob is a liar about this and other claims; now the game that is afoot is to watch his supporters twist in the wind as his house of cards topples..
    Last edited by MisterV; 06-10-2022 at 05:29 PM.
    What, Me Worry?

  2. #1562
    Originally Posted by MisterV View Post
    I and others "persist" in calling BULLSHIT to an avowed bullshitter, and you tap dance on the sidelines saying "maybe" or "what if."

    We all probably know Rob is a liar about this and other claims; now the game that is afoot is to watch his supporters twist in the wind as his house of cards topples..
    Damn... no fear of entrapment?

    What if it was one big set up?

    I think you'll live better if you just dropped it. Do you really benefit from your obsession?

    Take a walk. There's a big world out there outside of Singer.

    Dont get stuck sitting in an empty bar for four hours waiting for him.

  3. #1563
    Originally Posted by coach belly View Post
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    I don't know what Red was getting at or why he was saying that
    I didn't ask why he said that, that's just another dodge on your part.

    My question was whether one player could accept a W2G for another player,
    or acquire the gambling tax burden for another player,
    by means of a fabricated W2G, as you describe here...

    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    Take your real W2G and copy all that information onto a blank W2G form.
    Takeing your real W2G and copying all that information onto a blank W2G form would only be adequate for fooling everyone, BUT the casino, they are the only ones who would know better.

    You're not supposed to be able to Accept a W2G from another person, it's supposed to go to the person who hit the jackpot, After that, or at the time, they use a 5754 to transfer liability. If a jackpot was actually hit, I would assume the casino would send in the original W2G, so I can't see how creating another fake W2G would help.

    If someone was desperate enough to prove some BS claim, one could probably send in a fake 1.5 Million W2G to the IRS. The IRS would no doubt gladly accept that as real, thus creating a tax liability. They could then show fake losses of 1.5 Million to offset the fake win amount and owe nothing. I guess one could launder money by sending in fake W2G's and claim fewer losses. I have to believe there are better ways to launder money via gambling than making fake W2G's.

  4. #1564
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    If someone was desperate enough to prove some BS claim, one could probably send in a fake 1.5 Million W2G to the IRS. The IRS would no doubt gladly accept that as real, thus creating a tax liability.
    Actually no. The IRS would not accept it because the IRS could not match the purported W2G with a W2G from the casino.

    In reality the IRS would send letters of inquiry to both the taxpayer and the casino requesting more information.

    EVERY tax return is in fact "audited" in some way with tax data verified. This explains why some taxpayers get refunds that were unexpected-- the IRS found an error in their favor.

    In order for a bogus W2G to get thru, the casino would have to be in on it.

    Don't tell Redietz. He took a Journalism course.

  5. #1565
    And a couple of math courses. LOL. In fact, I review a DVD probability course from Texas every year about this time. Part of my routine.

    On some of this stuff, some folks can't see the forest for the trees. But that's okay. Hell, people were pushing parlay calculators at WoV. Why should I expect better here? Folks think because they won a couple 100K slot jackpots, they know their way around gambling taxes. God bless them.

    You know what I love? Ten years from now, sports and event gambling will be the dominant forms of gambling in this country, outstripping everything else combined. At some point, all these table games and slot players are going to get an inkling that they haven't had a clue for a very long time.

  6. #1566
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    If someone was desperate enough to prove some BS claim, one could probably send in a fake 1.5 Million W2G to the IRS. The IRS would no doubt gladly accept that as real, thus creating a tax liability.
    Actually no. The IRS would not accept it because the IRS could not match the purported W2G with a W2G from the casino.

    In reality the IRS would send letters of inquiry to both the taxpayer and the casino requesting more information.

    EVERY tax return is in fact "audited" in some way with tax data verified. This explains why some taxpayers get refunds that were unexpected-- the IRS found an error in their favor.

    In order for a bogus W2G to get thru, the casino would have to be in on it.

    Don't tell Redietz. He took a Journalism course.
    I don't think a 1.5 M would get through. I don't believe that the casino would have to be in on it for smaller ones to get through. You don't even need W2G's to report wins and losses.

  7. #1567
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    If someone was desperate enough to prove some BS claim, one could probably send in a fake 1.5 Million W2G to the IRS. The IRS would no doubt gladly accept that as real, thus creating a tax liability.
    Actually no. The IRS would not accept it because the IRS could not match the purported W2G with a W2G from the casino.

    In reality the IRS would send letters of inquiry to both the taxpayer and the casino requesting more information.

    EVERY tax return is in fact "audited" in some way with tax data verified. This explains why some taxpayers get refunds that were unexpected-- the IRS found an error in their favor.

    In order for a bogus W2G to get thru, the casino would have to be in on it.

    Don't tell Redietz. He took a Journalism course.
    I don't think a 1.5 M would get through. I don't believe that the casino would have to be in on it for smaller ones to get through. You don't even need W2G's to report wins and losses.
    You just need a log. But Alan is right that if you report $10k of w-2g income from x casino and you never got a w2-g from that tax id number an inquiry will be made. You're looking at this from a pro gamblers perspective where you just declare wins and losses wherever they are from and if questioned you will have an acceptable log with the required info to validate what you are reporting.

    As a machine pro you're only likely to be audited if your declared gambling winnings are not equal or greater than your issued w2-g's. Regardless of your declared losses.
    FraudJ's word is worth less than the prop cash in Singer's safe...RIP

  8. #1568
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    If someone was desperate enough to prove some BS claim, one could probably send in a fake 1.5 Million W2G to the IRS. The IRS would no doubt gladly accept that as real, thus creating a tax liability.
    Actually no. The IRS would not accept it because the IRS could not match the purported W2G with a W2G from the casino.

    In reality the IRS would send letters of inquiry to both the taxpayer and the casino requesting more information.

    EVERY tax return is in fact "audited" in some way with tax data verified. This explains why some taxpayers get refunds that were unexpected-- the IRS found an error in their favor.

    In order for a bogus W2G to get thru, the casino would have to be in on it.

    Don't tell Redietz. He took a Journalism course.
    I don't think a 1.5 M would get through. I don't believe that the casino would have to be in on it for smaller ones to get through. You don't even need W2G's to report wins and losses.
    You're right you don't need W2Gs to report WINS. But any paperwork reported to the IRS is compared with what's on the taxpayer's return and vice versa.

    Ask your tax professional before this is turned into 60 pages.

  9. #1569
    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post

    Actually no. The IRS would not accept it because the IRS could not match the purported W2G with a W2G from the casino.

    In reality the IRS would send letters of inquiry to both the taxpayer and the casino requesting more information.

    EVERY tax return is in fact "audited" in some way with tax data verified. This explains why some taxpayers get refunds that were unexpected-- the IRS found an error in their favor.

    In order for a bogus W2G to get thru, the casino would have to be in on it.

    Don't tell Redietz. He took a Journalism course.
    I don't think a 1.5 M would get through. I don't believe that the casino would have to be in on it for smaller ones to get through. You don't even need W2G's to report wins and losses.
    You just need a log. But Alan is right that if you report $10k of w-2g income from x casino and you never got a w2-g from that tax id number an inquiry will be made. You're looking at this from a pro gamblers perspective where you just declare wins and losses wherever they are from and if questioned you will have an acceptable log with the required info to validate what you are reporting.

    As a machine pro you're only likely to be audited if your declared gambling winnings are not equal or greater than your issued w2-g's. Regardless of your declared losses.

    The stupid thing about this is it contradicts their own guidelines for professional gamblers.

    You are supposed to aggregate winning sessions and aggregate losing sessions and report those two numbers. And of course your winning sessions can be and typically are smaller than the W2Gs won therein, and of course you can have a losing session that includes W2Gs.

    But if you follow their own rules you will get a warning letter for underreporting and they will treat the sum of your W2Gs minus your declared total wins as undeclared income.

    And if you contest it they will back down every time AFAIK, so it appears they are acting in bad faith in sending out those letters.

  10. #1570
    Originally Posted by smurgerburger View Post
    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    I don't think a 1.5 M would get through. I don't believe that the casino would have to be in on it for smaller ones to get through. You don't even need W2G's to report wins and losses.
    You just need a log. But Alan is right that if you report $10k of w-2g income from x casino and you never got a w2-g from that tax id number an inquiry will be made. You're looking at this from a pro gamblers perspective where you just declare wins and losses wherever they are from and if questioned you will have an acceptable log with the required info to validate what you are reporting.

    As a machine pro you're only likely to be audited if your declared gambling winnings are not equal or greater than your issued w2-g's. Regardless of your declared losses.

    The stupid thing about this is it contradicts their own guidelines for professional gamblers.

    You are supposed to aggregate winning sessions and aggregate losing sessions and report those two numbers. And of course your winning sessions can be and typically are smaller than the W2Gs won therein, and of course you can have a losing session that includes W2Gs.

    But if you follow their own rules you will get a warning letter for underreporting and they will treat the sum of your W2Gs minus your declared total wins as undeclared income.

    And if you contest it they will back down every time AFAIK, so it appears they are acting in bad faith in sending out those letters.
    If you contest anything as a pro gambler they will back down. The only way you.can get found guilty of anything is under the Al Capone rules of tax evasion.
    FraudJ's word is worth less than the prop cash in Singer's safe...RIP

  11. #1571
    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Originally Posted by PositiveVariance View Post
    It’s hard to say, but one thing I would be willing to bet money on is the fact that this “photo” originated from a video. How many times has the photo been “circulated” to other people? Hard to say.
    Do you sense a problem when a forum member announces that he saw the photo before but later says the photo never existed?

    Might you ask which is it?
    Who said the photo never existed? The only problem is an inept ex-reporter that misconstrues facts.
    No, the problem is lying maxpen who said he saw the photo. Then changed his tune about it so many times everyone thought they were listening to a jukebox.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  12. #1572
    Originally Posted by MisterV View Post
    I and others "persist" in calling BULLSHIT to an avowed bullshitter, and you tap dance on the sidelines saying "maybe" or "what if."

    We all probably know Rob is a liar about this and other claims; now the game that is afoot is to watch his supporters twist in the wind as his house of cards topples..
    ,

    And of course, here on VCT, a Rob "supporter" is defined as anyone that doesn't have Singer Derangement Syndrome. Any objective and neutral observer that points out the evidence of both sides, inconsistencies in evidence, and false evidence is branded a "Rob supporter" by the Brokeback Boys.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  13. #1573
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    I dont know if Singer hit it. Singer hasnt shown me the W2G which he said he was going to do.
    Meanwhile there are explanations for every photo ever presented -- or not presented.

    I guess this ex reporter has an open mind and is waiting.

    Is having an open mind a bad thing? On this forum it is.

    Case in point: I bring up a potential scam in the New York area but suddenly instead of focusing on the scam I'm targeted in the discussion.

    But carry on. As a mob lawyer's son I've seen it all, including my father go to jail.

    In my years of studying paranormal claims and gambling claims, I have always found it disingenuous when someone brings the "I have an open mind" to bear without discussing odds.

    We live in a probabilistic world. None of us operate by having open minds without gauging probability for each and every step we take, event we witness, decision we make. So waving the "I have an open mind" flag without mentioning odds or probability or assigning a weight to various options is a form of misdirection. As in, if you don't mention odds or probability, maybe they other person won't ask about odds or probability.

    I cannot, however, beat what James Randi had to say when confronted with the "I have an open mind" schtick.

    "There is a distinct difference between having an open mind and having a hole in your head from which your brain leaks out."
    Closed minded people like yourself come up with all kinds of bullshit. This is just more ditz bullshit.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  14. #1574
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post

    I guess this ex reporter has an open mind and is waiting.
    How's that been working out for you all these years with Rob?

    Speaking of jail, if you bend over in the shower for the first time and suddenly get a giant 9.5 cock rammed up your ass, shame on them. If you are in the shower again with that same guy, but keep you keep an open mind thinking... it might not happen again and proceed to bend over anyways, and get ass blasted again, shame on you. If you keep keeping an open mind in similar situations and you keep getting dick slapped in the face, one might think you actually like it.

  15. #1575
    Mouse cursors guys. We have mouse cursors.

  16. #1576
    Originally Posted by smurgerburger View Post
    Mouse cursors guys. We have mouse cursors.
    Mouse cursors still dont tell you the origin of the photos.

    I know most of you are having trouble understanding that, but it's okay because some of us do.

    Until someone can show those are not photos of Rob's hit we'll just be going in circles.

  17. #1577
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Originally Posted by smurgerburger View Post
    Mouse cursors guys. We have mouse cursors.
    Mouse cursors still dont tell you the origin of the photos.

    I know most of you are having trouble understanding that, but it's okay because some of us do.

    Until someone can show those are not photos of Rob's hit we'll just be going in circles.
    I hit for $6 million this morning on $100, 10 play. His is chump change now.

  18. #1578
    Rob talked about editing the photo of his jackpot for posting. Not editing the photo in order to take a photo of himself editing it on a computer screen which he would then post.

    "We" are not going around in circles. Most of us were right from the beginning, some of us don't have the mental capacity to participate in the discussion.

  19. #1579
    Originally Posted by smurgerburger View Post
    Rob talked about editing the photo of his jackpot for posting. Not editing the photo in order to take a photo of himself editing it on a computer screen which he would then post.

    "We" are not going around in circles. Most of us were right from the beginning, some of us don't have the mental capacity to participate in the discussion.
    Did you consider that the photo being edited is the photo with the mystery man on the computer screen?

  20. #1580
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Originally Posted by smurgerburger View Post
    Mouse cursors guys. We have mouse cursors.
    Mouse cursors still dont tell you the origin of the photos.

    I know most of you are having trouble understanding that, but it's okay because some of us do.

    Until someone can show those are not photos of Rob's hit we'll just be going in circles.
    I hit for $6 million this morning on $100, 10 play. His is chump change now.
    Jbjb you really are a wonder boy. First you said you saw the photos online that Rob had claimed as his. Then you claimed the photos Rob claimed were fabricated. Now you hit for $6 million.

    You really are boy wonder.

    Here's a hint... when you reach puberty you'll appreciate women.

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