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Thread: When Weakness Prevails, Show Them The Meaning of Strength

  1. #1921
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Druff, maxpen has been firing homophobic content at me for almost three years.
    I'm not concerned about gay-related insults between you and Maxpen, because you're both straight (unless there's something one of you isn't telling me).
    I know we are into this other issue today and time is essential on that, so maybe now is not the time, but I would like to discuss this further.

    Dan Druff, by your logic, if I were to say something like "Jews are disgusting, nasty, lying people and should all die", that would be fine as long as I wasn't directing it at someone Jewish. Or maybe "Nigger are disgusting dirty animals" as long as I am not saying it to a black person.

    These gay comments to one another, depicting gay sexual acts is demonizing gays. That very kind of demonizing of any group, by race, religion, sex, sexual orientation is what bigotry is. And this bigotry of people different than yourself is what leads to all the hate that is destroying this country. Do you really mean to say this is ok, Dan Druff? I mean fun is fun, but the majority of these comments are not made in fun. They are made in hate.
    My fucking god I can’t stand you.

    You are so fucking fake bro not real.

    One of the things you said repeatedly about me was I hated gays or some bull shit

    Listen gunplay my girl and I have been in the Dom swingers scene for about 9 years. She loves the money slave sissy boys that like to be dominated. I have zero problem with gays or transgender people or whatever. Most people don’t give a fuck. What most people do give a fuck about is pushing alternative lifestyles on kids when they really have no idea what the want to be. Thats sick and perverse let them grow up and figure shit out.

    As far as words hurting your feelings it’s a shame Dan has decided to give power to these words on a free speech platform. If I was to type out a bunch of gay slurs in another language that you couldn’t translate it would mean nothing. Your reaction to these words is what gives them power. It’s a clear sign of weakness that again proves its highly unlikely you have the mental fortitude or intelligence to win at Blackjack.

    You spend all day attacking multiple people on multiple forums making up lies on them. Fantasizing about killing members that don’t believe you. You’re a fucking sick deranged motherfucker. It’s unfortunate that neighbor guy got to you at a young age confusing you for the rest of your life. Stop projecting your insecurities on everyone else. For gods sake stop

  2. #1922
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Update: I sent Dan my hotel pic. No response yet. I demanded he post here that he apologizes that he lied about my being here, and for his lying about my not being here when I debunked max's silly claim at Caesars. He IS NOT the vpn expert he purports to be. And based on all his wrong biased claims about every time I've hit a jackpot over the years, he's not even a good liar.
    Whatever; even if he's wrong about that it should not affect the big meetup tonight, where you claim you'll humiliate all your detractors with a bolt of TRUTH.

    Can't wait...
    What, Me Worry?

  3. #1923
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Originally Posted by monet View Post
    I thought this shit was over.
    Try to enjoy my old stomping grounds in New England.
    Watch out for the Black Flies.
    Thanks, and it should have ended long ago.

    Now they'll want a picture of me eating lobster rolls.
    I paid $18 for a lobster roll at a roadside stand in Delaware last fall. No sides included, just the roll. But it was good.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  4. #1924
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by PositiveVariance View Post
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    Not really additional steps to activate the bug, but it's an indicator on one of the components of the machine that allows it to be possible, you can even use this to check a machine and it will signify if it's even possible.

    Unless someone has access to a machine with the glitch, or someone from IGT or Nestor/Cane can verify, there's not really any way to know the exact details.

    I'm still not sure if a hand-pay is or isn't needed. Rob claims no, so it's mindboggling why anyone would take hand pays if it wasn't needed, you could just do multiple hits and cashouts all under 1200 in a day. Just think about it, you could turn any and all hits into a multiplied amount. I can't say how time-consuming the process was, but I have to imagine you could play 300 hands an hour so I'm thinking you could realistically make about 7k per hour hoping around vegas once you located numerous places and machines.
    Yes, I would have done the same if it was possible to do it without hitting a Handpay.

    Also, I saw Rob’s interview with Shackleford about supposedly playing the DU bug. Rob says he didn’t tell his wife until later. So she would have had no idea there was an extra $500k per year on their tax returns. I only bring this up because Rob says he tossed out his tax returns.

    Supposedly his wife worked? How could she miss these huge amounts each year? Never wondered why their was no refunds?
    Let me guess, Rob will claim they were “married filed separately.”

    I know very few AP’s actually claim taxes on the actual amount they earned, but still.

    Overall, I don’t see how this would go not noticed by his wife for supposedly 5 years.
    His wife knew he was making a lot of money. She thought it was from his progressive system. She thought he was a video poker god.

    You sure know alot about what she thinks Mick. Have you and her talked before? Perhaps talked shop and compared notes on the 9.5?

  5. #1925
    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Here's the solution -- Dan says he's in LV right now. So am I, until tonight at 11 when we leave for Maine.

    I'll meet him at the casino where I hit this, and they'll confirm the whole ball of wax as they say,which will put an end to you people all making yourselves continuing to look foolish over all the stupid excuses posted of why you have such a driving need to say everything's "fake" including the $120,000 in REAL money I always keep in the bottom of my safe. You DO realize how much you're all embarrassing yourselves over that, correct? I'll be happy to keep reminding you of it.

    I'm available at 7pm-10pm. Dan has my number, but if he no longer has it he can let me know by contacting me at GVR. The one stipulation: he has to promise not to publicly identify the name of the casino, as well as agree to anything else the hi -limit room may ask him to agree not to divulge. And no, my wife will NOT be "angry" if I left for 3 hours. She knows what's going on, and she is laughing at every one of you. She's also come up with a pretty good idea that I'm contemplating.

    I can already hear it---"Rob probably went into some casino and paid someone to support his claim!" I expect Dan would be able to tell if that's the case.
    You would have took 6 figures from me if any of that is true. Stop lying.
    Bullshit. You were incognito. You seen Singer and ran your broke ass away from there. You ran straight back to your lover, Keystoner.
    Last edited by mickeycrimm; 06-16-2022 at 03:05 PM.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  6. #1926
    I just phoned Rob's room at GVR. He was not in but I left a voice mail.

    By the way there was no comment about the purported original photos posted by Mickeycrimm. Did Dan miss those? The photos that showed the full top of a video poker machine without cutoff images?

  7. #1927
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    . For 2 and a half years I've had a $1000 reward out looking for credible information that someone gave Rob the formula. Absolutely no one has come out of the woodwork.
    Even if someone did, that could be a very difficult task since very few people are hanging around on message boards, and the chances that person would know anything about Rob's claims on the internet is probably unlikely. If it was someone on the inside they may not want anyone knowing they were talking about this. If it was a friend of Rob's hoping he wouldn't sell his boy out.

  8. #1928
    Rob, you have been through all of this before, so you know damn well people are going to want extra proof from you.

    You knew you would be playing a higher limit machine with a likely chance of hitting some jackpots, so why in gods name would you only have some crappy couple of sketchy photos? How easy would it have been to put something personal in the photo or have taken a video with yourself or your voice in it? You knew this day was coming, so why on gods green earth didn't you get some indisputable proof?

    On a machine like that, there's likely to have been some other jackpots as well unless you snapped this off right away.

  9. #1929
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    . For 2 and a half years I've had a $1000 reward out looking for credible information that someone gave Rob the formula. Absolutely no one has come out of the woodwork.
    Even if someone did, that could be a very difficult task since very few people are hanging around on message boards, and the chances that person would know anything about Rob's claims on the internet is probably unlikely. If it was someone on the inside they may not want anyone knowing they were talking about this. If it was a friend of Rob's hoping he wouldn't sell his boy out.

    If anyone gave Rob the formula, a 1K reward seems like a ridiculously small carrot. Obviously, if someone gave Rob the formula, they probably used the formula themselves. How would 1K cover potential legal damages, reputational damages, and the number of casino and tribal personnel wanting to bury them in the desert? Maybe if you offered 100K, there might be some incentive. But 1K?

    If someone gave Rob the formula, or if Rob was hired as a front man to go around executing the formula they gave him, they would literally have to be idiots to accept 1K to out themselves. Who would do that? Somebody who's really in arrears with their cable bill?

  10. #1930
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    I just phoned Rob's room at GVR. He was not in but I left a voice mail.

    By the way there was no comment about the purported original photos posted by Mickeycrimm. Did Dan miss those? The photos that showed the full top of a video poker machine without cutoff images?
    Easy to crop and past stuff. What's your take on the workout equipment in the background?

  11. #1931

  12. #1932
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    I just phoned Rob's room at GVR. He was not in but I left a voice mail.

    By the way there was no comment about the purported original photos posted by Mickeycrimm. Did Dan miss those? The photos that showed the full top of a video poker machine without cutoff images?
    Easy to crop and past stuff. What's your take on the workout equipment in the background?
    I don't take anyone's word for shit around here. How do we know it's workout equipment?
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  13. #1933
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    I just phoned Rob's room at GVR. He was not in but I left a voice mail.

    By the way there was no comment about the purported original photos posted by Mickeycrimm. Did Dan miss those? The photos that showed the full top of a video poker machine without cutoff images?
    Yes, on the right side of the photo there is a slot machine. The slot machine is OFF. On the left side of the photo near the room with the exercise equipment there are decorative items that you would hang on a wall in a HOUSE.

    The first photos Rob posted on page 3 cut off the top part of the face. He did this intentionally because he thought we would discover that it WASN'T him. Because why not show the entire picture? He literally cut the picture off right threw “Handpay.”

    Think about it, what’s a logical reason it cut off right in the middle of the picture, that just so happens to be the middle of the persons face? It’s simple. He didn’t want us to discover that it wasn’t him.

  14. #1934
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    I just phoned Rob's room at GVR. He was not in but I left a voice mail.

    By the way there was no comment about the purported original photos posted by Mickeycrimm. Did Dan miss those? The photos that showed the full top of a video poker machine without cutoff images?
    Easy to crop and past stuff. What's your take on the workout equipment in the background?
    I don't take anyone's word for shit around here. How do we know it's workout equipment?
    No wonder you stroked out if you can't recognize that as cheap home workout equipment....lol

    What a man servant
    FraudJ's word is worth less than the prop cash in Singer's safe...RIP

  15. #1935
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by PositiveVariance View Post
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post


    Look, any issue I have with mickey stems from one thing. The Rob Singer double-up bug claim. Dan Druff just laid out rather no uncertain terms that Singer is a longtime troll trolling the AP community. Troll after troll, claim after claim. The double up bug was just one of those trolls or claims. Complete BS, no different than the others, except he stole a real story that had been in the news. I am sorry that mickey fell for it, thinking that because Rob had some small piece of information it must be true. As we have just witnessed Dan Druff lay out, Rob will go to all lengths to try to convince people of his trollish narcistic claims. Fake money, fake pictures, fake bill of sale, pictures in a RV in a dealership.

    I am familiar with Singers BS claim that he played the Double Up bug.

    I am curious, what piece of information did Singer have that he was able to convince Mickey that he did play the DU bug?

    Outside of what was in the Wired article, and later on other news sources, any additional “steps” he added to the procedure, wouldn’t be able to be verified, correct?
    First, PV, you have to take everything KJ says with a grain of salt. He plays very loose with the facts to bolster his argument. KJ keeps stating I'm convinced Rob worked the DUB. I HAVE NEVER SAID I WAS CONVINCED. That was about 2 and a half years ago. Everyone gave their opinion. Of course, KJ and his crew all said no way. Axel used the word possible. I used the word likely. But none of us know for sure since none of us were there. So I'm not convinced and never will be.

    I can't remember all the evidence. I can't even remember the name of the thread it was all in. But I do remember a couple of things.

    When Rob made the claim he said the published formula for working the DUB by Wired wa wrong. KJ immediately contacted the author of the article looking to pull a gotcha on Singer. But what happened was the author told KJ that he indeed intentionally used a fictional formula in the article.

    KJ does a lot of speculation on it but no one has been able to prove Rob got the formula from someone else. For 2 and a half years I've had a $1000 reward out looking for credible information that someone gave Rob the formula. Absolutely no one has come out of the woodwork.

    There was also something else I remembered. Something that, apparently, no one else on the forum knew about. This forum wasn't created until 2010. Not long after Kane and Nestor got busted in 2009 Rob announced he was retiring from "professional video poker." That he would no longer be spending much time in casinos. And he shut his website down.

    To me that fit the profile of someone looking to lay low. Kane and Nestor were charged with multiple felonies. If I were Rob I would be sweating bullets wondering about surveillance film and so on. And also wondering about the statute of limitations.

    And after making so much easy money would Rob go back to a grind play for a lot less money? If it were me I would be through.

    Some more information, PV. When I gave my opinion as "likely" two VCT members who I had gotten along with very well up to that point, starting ad hominem attacks on me that have carried on for 2 and a half years. That would be your boys, maxie and KJ.

    Fuck 'em both. I'll troll those bitches until hell freezes over.

    I think it’s a possibility that Rob contacted the author of the Wired article when he first saw the article and was given the same information that KJ was given. Rob tends to do some research to set up his claims.

    Whats to say this formula Rob has is the correct formula? Even if it is correct, it would be possible to get Cane, Nestor, or possibly even the author of the article to give the exact details. So wether he has the exact formula or not is irrelevant.

    I think it’s likely Rob may have contacted the author, not so much to get info to troll this forum, but more due to his Interest in video poker. Then hope he could use the formula/steps in a machine they mistakenly didn’t pull or another model that he could tinker with and have the hopes of duplicating it. It’s hard to say. Then once he had that info he posted the formula here.

    Side note: It likely wasn’t the authors idea to not post the exact formula. He may have called IGT. Called them for “a comment”, but was actually looking for an “extortion” sum to NOT post the actual formula. I have read somewhere that Cane and Nestor after the Wired interview would not comment. I think it’s very likely IGT tossed them each a small chunk of cash and had them sign a NDA to not talk.

    The bottom line, you have to look at Rob’s history of story telling along with the possibility that outside of Cane and Nestor no one else found it? The steps
    Are steps that you would not find on accident. Out of the BILLIONS of times that model Game King has been played, it just so happens to be Rob Singer to find it? I think not.

    Also, there is no question if there were several people out there playing this, it would have been discovered long before that. People are greedy as hell.

    Mikey, if you had told me you played the Double Up Bug, I would 100% believe you. I would have no reason to doubt you. With Rob he has made so many outrageous claims.





    Mickey, lets say all of the details Rob gave reguarding the $1.5million win, but instead of Rob, let’s say KJ claimed it. Remember, everything else identical. Why do I get the impression that you would think differently if it were KJ? I have a feeling you would make the arguments that us logical ones are making. Mickey, I know your smart, I just think you have other motivations here.
    Last edited by PositiveVariance; 06-16-2022 at 05:25 PM.

  16. #1936
    Originally Posted by PositiveVariance View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by PositiveVariance View Post


    I am familiar with Singers BS claim that he played the Double Up bug.

    I am curious, what piece of information did Singer have that he was able to convince Mickey that he did play the DU bug?

    Outside of what was in the Wired article, and later on other news sources, any additional “steps” he added to the procedure, wouldn’t be able to be verified, correct?
    First, PV, you have to take everything KJ says with a grain of salt. He plays very loose with the facts to bolster his argument. KJ keeps stating I'm convinced Rob worked the DUB. I HAVE NEVER SAID I WAS CONVINCED. That was about 2 and a half years ago. Everyone gave their opinion. Of course, KJ and his crew all said no way. Axel used the word possible. I used the word likely. But none of us know for sure since none of us were there. So I'm not convinced and never will be.

    I can't remember all the evidence. I can't even remember the name of the thread it was all in. But I do remember a couple of things.

    When Rob made the claim he said the published formula for working the DUB by Wired wa wrong. KJ immediately contacted the author of the article looking to pull a gotcha on Singer. But what happened was the author told KJ that he indeed intentionally used a fictional formula in the article.

    KJ does a lot of speculation on it but no one has been able to prove Rob got the formula from someone else. For 2 and a half years I've had a $1000 reward out looking for credible information that someone gave Rob the formula. Absolutely no one has come out of the woodwork.

    There was also something else I remembered. Something that, apparently, no one else on the forum knew about. This forum wasn't created until 2010. Not long after Kane and Nestor got busted in 2009 Rob announced he was retiring from "professional video poker." That he would no longer be spending much time in casinos. And he shut his website down.

    To me that fit the profile of someone looking to lay low. Kane and Nestor were charged with multiple felonies. If I were Rob I would be sweating bullets wondering about surveillance film and so on. And also wondering about the statute of limitations.

    And after making so much easy money would Rob go back to a grind play for a lot less money? If it were me I would be through.

    Some more information, PV. When I gave my opinion as "likely" two VCT members who I had gotten along with very well up to that point, starting ad hominem attacks on me that have carried on for 2 and a half years. That would be your boys, maxie and KJ.

    Fuck 'em both. I'll troll those bitches until hell freezes over.

    I think it’s a possibility that Rob contacted the author of the Wired article when he first saw the article and was given the same information that KJ was given. Rob tends to do some research to set up his claims.

    Whats to say this formula Rob has is the correct formula? Even if it is correct, it would be possible to get Cane, Nestor, or possibly even the author of the article to give the exact details. So wether he has the exact formula or not is irrelevant.

    I think it’s likely Rob may have contacted the author, not so much to get info to troll this forum, but more due to his Interest in video poker. Then hope he could use the formula/steps in a machine they mistakenly didn’t pull or another model that he could tinker with and have the hopes of duplicating it. It’s hard to say. Then once he had that info he posted the formula here.

    Side note: It likely wasn’t the authors idea to not post the exact formula. He may have called IGT. Called them for “a comment”, but was actually looking for an “extortion” sum to NOT post the actual formula. I have read somewhere that Cane and Nestor after the Wired interview would not comment. I think it’s very likely IGT tossed them each a small chunk of cash and had them sign a NDA to not talk.

    The bottom line, you have to look at Rob’s history of story telling along with the possibility that outside of Cane and Nestor no one else found it? The steps
    Are steps that you would not find on accident. Out of the BILLIONS of times that model Game King has been played, it just so happens to be Rob Singer to find it? I think not.

    Also, there is no question if there were several people out there playing this, it would have been discovered long before that. People are greedy as hell.

    Mikey, if you had told me you played the Double Up Bug, I would 100% believe you. I would have no reason to doubt you. With Rob he has made so many outrageous claims.





    Mickey, lets say all of the details Rob gave reguarding the $1.5million win, but instead of Rob, let’s say KJ claimed it. Remember, everything else identical. Why do I get the impression that you would think differently if it were KJ? I have a feeling you would make the arguments that us logical ones are making. Mickey, I know your smart, I just think you have other motivations here.
    Mikeys only motivation is 9.5 inches long….Coach and Mendelson’s motivation is that they’re both morons that idolize Rob. Alan has very few functioning brain cells left and the Coach has an IQ just slightly higher than Ape #2 on the Evolution of Man chart

  17. #1937
    Some observations of the past couple hours while I was out:

    Mickeycrimm has a couple times mentioned that he is not seeing well or as well as he used to anymore. I don't think anyone is reveling in that. But then mickey scolds us that "he doesn't see exercise equipment", like those of us that can still see are the idiots because we do.

    I like this guy PositiveVariance. Not because he has and continues to methodically take Rob down, although that doesn't hurt. But his questions, his approach are all very, very reasonable. He is asking many of the same questions and coming to the same conclusions that I do or did a few years back. Of course as soon as I say it, no matter how much sense it makes, it becomes very polarizing.

    An example. The sequence of the double up bug activation, which for someone like mickey seems to be a key thing. I have always said that even if Rob did some how know or find the proper sequence 3 years ago, which would be 10 years after the fact, that doesn't mean or prove he knew it back in the 2005-2010 time period. It means he knew it in 2019, well after the fact.

    PositiveVariance hit on two of the methods that Rob could have acquired this info (after the fact), contacting Nestor/Kane (unlikely), contacting the author of the story (as i did), but there are other ways. Prosecutors from at least two different jurisdictions, Las Vegas and Pennsylvania, FBI agents working the case, personnel from IGA.

    People keep writing that Rob was well connected in Las Vegas back in the day. Even a losing player can be well connected. It is not a stretch at all that he knew someone that knew some info about this play. And Rob tells us over and over that he has relatives and friends in the FBI ect. While I don't believe anything he says these days, it isn't impossible he knows someone in the FBI or law enforcement that worked the case.

    Bottom line: knowing that sequence in 2019, does not mean he knew it in 2005-2010 and played and make 3 million.

    Now of course when I brought all this up before, mickey challenged me to produce someone that gave Rob that info. That was a pretty unreasonable thing. I am not an investigator, or even a reporter that interviewed the Queen. It isn't my job to produce anyone and highly unlikely anyone would be able to.

    When a guy has lied about claim after claim, a number of them, million dollar claims, and been proven a lie each time, the onus really falls on him to prove any further outlandish claims if he expects anyone to take him seriously. THAT is what precedent is.
    Dan Druff: "there's no question that MDawg has been an obnoxious braggart, and has rubbed a ton of people the wrong way. There's something missing from his stories. Either they're fabricated, grossly exaggerated, or largely incomplete".

  18. #1938
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Some observations of the past couple hours while I was out:

    Mickeycrimm has a couple times mentioned that he is not seeing well or as well as he used to anymore. I don't think anyone is reveling in that. But then mickey scolds us that "he doesn't see exercise equipment", like those of us that can still see are the idiots because we do.

    I like this guy PositiveVariance. Not because he has and continues to methodically take Rob down, although that doesn't hurt. But his questions, his approach are all very, very reasonable. He is asking many of the same questions and coming to the same conclusions that I do or did a few years back. Of course as soon as I say it, no matter how much sense it makes, it becomes very polarizing.

    An example. The sequence of the double up bug activation, which for someone like mickey seems to be a key thing. I have always said that even if Rob did some how know or find the proper sequence 3 years ago, which would be 10 years after the fact, that doesn't mean or prove he knew it back in the 2005-2010 time period. It means he knew it in 2019, well after the fact.

    PositiveVariance hit on two of the methods that Rob could have acquired this info (after the fact), contacting Nestor/Kane (unlikely), contacting the author of the story (as i did), but there are other ways. Prosecutors from at least two different jurisdictions, Las Vegas and Pennsylvania, FBI agents working the case, personnel from IGA.

    People keep writing that Rob was well connected in Las Vegas back in the day. Even a losing player can be well connected. It is not a stretch at all that he knew someone that knew some info about this play. And Rob tells us over and over that he has relatives and friends in the FBI ect. While I don't believe anything he says these days, it isn't impossible he knows someone in the FBI or law enforcement that worked the case.

    Bottom line: knowing that sequence in 2019, does not mean he knew it in 2005-2010 and played and make 3 million.

    Now of course when I brought all this up before, mickey challenged me to produce someone that gave Rob that info. That was a pretty unreasonable thing. I am not an investigator, or even a reporter that interviewed the Queen. It isn't my job to produce anyone and highly unlikely anyone would be able to.

    When a guy has lied about claim after claim, a number of them, million dollar claims, and been proven a lie each time, the onus really falls on him to prove any further outlandish claims if he expects anyone to take him seriously. THAT is what precedent is.


    You have continued to lie about beating blackjack for all these years. I mean in 2016 you posted how you passed the 1 million dollar mark. This year according to one of your recent post you gave back 30k and are at zero for the year. Lol

  19. #1939
    Originally Posted by PositiveVariance View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by PositiveVariance View Post


    I am familiar with Singers BS claim that he played the Double Up bug.

    I am curious, what piece of information did Singer have that he was able to convince Mickey that he did play the DU bug?

    Outside of what was in the Wired article, and later on other news sources, any additional “steps” he added to the procedure, wouldn’t be able to be verified, correct?
    First, PV, you have to take everything KJ says with a grain of salt. He plays very loose with the facts to bolster his argument. KJ keeps stating I'm convinced Rob worked the DUB. I HAVE NEVER SAID I WAS CONVINCED. That was about 2 and a half years ago. Everyone gave their opinion. Of course, KJ and his crew all said no way. Axel used the word possible. I used the word likely. But none of us know for sure since none of us were there. So I'm not convinced and never will be.

    I can't remember all the evidence. I can't even remember the name of the thread it was all in. But I do remember a couple of things.

    When Rob made the claim he said the published formula for working the DUB by Wired wa wrong. KJ immediately contacted the author of the article looking to pull a gotcha on Singer. But what happened was the author told KJ that he indeed intentionally used a fictional formula in the article.

    KJ does a lot of speculation on it but no one has been able to prove Rob got the formula from someone else. For 2 and a half years I've had a $1000 reward out looking for credible information that someone gave Rob the formula. Absolutely no one has come out of the woodwork.

    There was also something else I remembered. Something that, apparently, no one else on the forum knew about. This forum wasn't created until 2010. Not long after Kane and Nestor got busted in 2009 Rob announced he was retiring from "professional video poker." That he would no longer be spending much time in casinos. And he shut his website down.

    To me that fit the profile of someone looking to lay low. Kane and Nestor were charged with multiple felonies. If I were Rob I would be sweating bullets wondering about surveillance film and so on. And also wondering about the statute of limitations.

    And after making so much easy money would Rob go back to a grind play for a lot less money? If it were me I would be through.

    Some more information, PV. When I gave my opinion as "likely" two VCT members who I had gotten along with very well up to that point, starting ad hominem attacks on me that have carried on for 2 and a half years. That would be your boys, maxie and KJ.

    Fuck 'em both. I'll troll those bitches until hell freezes over.

    I think it’s a possibility that Rob contacted the author of the Wired article when he first saw the article and was given the same information that KJ was given. Rob tends to do some research to set up his claims.

    Whats to say this formula Rob has is the correct formula? Even if it is correct, it would be possible to get Cane, Nestor, or possibly even the author of the article to give the exact details. So wether he has the exact formula or not is irrelevant.

    I think it’s likely Rob may have contacted the author, not so much to get info to troll this forum, but more due to his Interest in video poker. Then hope he could use the formula/steps in a machine they mistakenly didn’t pull or another model that he could tinker with and have the hopes of duplicating it. It’s hard to say. Then once he had that info he posted the formula here.

    Side note: It likely wasn’t the authors idea to not post the exact formula. He may have called IGT. Called them for “a comment”, but was actually looking for an “extortion” sum to NOT post the actual formula. I have read somewhere that Cane and Nestor after the Wired interview would not comment. I think it’s very likely IGT tossed them each a small chunk of cash and had them sign a NDA to not talk.

    The bottom line, you have to look at Rob’s history of story telling along with the possibility that outside of Cane and Nestor no one else found it? The steps
    Are steps that you would not find on accident. Out of the BILLIONS of times that model Game King has been played, it just so happens to be Rob Singer to find it? I think not.

    Also, there is no question if there were several people out there playing this, it would have been discovered long before that. People are greedy as hell.

    Mikey, if you had told me you played the Double Up Bug, I would 100% believe you. I would have no reason to doubt you. With Rob he has made so many outrageous claims.





    Mickey, lets say all of the details Rob gave reguarding the $1.5million win, but instead of Rob, let’s say KJ claimed it. Remember, everything else identical. Why do I get the impression that you would think differently if it were KJ? I have a feeling you would make the arguments that us logical ones are making. Mickey, I know your smart, I just think you have other motivations here.
    I have 0 clue outside of knowing Rob Singer is full of shit the vast majority of time.

    It seems very possible he seeked out someone who knew more details of the DU play in hopes he'd find another one somewhere. He then traveled around the country in his pop-up and never had any luck.
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    I have 0 clue outside of knowing Rob Singer is full of shit the vast majority of time.

    It seems very possible he seeked out someone who knew more details of the DU play in hopes he'd find another one somewhere. He then traveled around the country in his pop-up and never had any luck.
    It is not inconceivable that in his travels in the pull behind Winnebago, that Rob found some small casino in some smaller town that had not received the "patch" or computer update "fix" and played it for some small amount. I would bet against it, but it is not inconceivable.
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