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Thread: When Weakness Prevails, Show Them The Meaning of Strength

  1. #2541
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    Great points. Ivey's (and his accomplice's) edge sorting move was fair and square in my book - I would classify him as an advantage player and not a cheat nor a liar. We were told we should not always be trolling one another and move on to more fruitful discussions (I'm paraphrasing here). But then, when Seed Value requested that we get the ball rolling with some real world advantage play discussion, starting it off with his interesting ghost card play (followed by me mentioning a dangerous move, the LP, that someone showed me), it was then decided that we should not be discussing real world topics.

    P.S. With regard to cheaters cheating cheaters, you'll recall from one of our previous discussions that this is so common that the Aussies even have a name for someone that robs robbers - a Standover Man.

    P.P.S. I'm glad next-hand UX multipliers aren't considered to have value with regard to the law.

    Edit:Your Hot Sucker thread and the many times Mickey has provided extremely useful AP info were previous examples of outstanding discussions - I didn't mean to imply that this was first time such discussions have occurred.
    Cheater Cheater Pumpkin Eater...


  2. #2542
    Originally Posted by monet View Post
    Obviously players like kewlJ does not approve nor would he ever use an advantage like marked cards.
    By his standards we are all crazy on this board and should not discuss these real world topics.
    Heck, he stated that he stopped playing at certain shops (Circus Circus) because he could see the dealers hole cards.
    LOL, Honest Abe.
    Yes, Money (sorry typo ) I do think most on this forum are crazy, but that opinion was formed long ago and is not based on this discussion.

    And no I would not employ marking cards, nor anything illegal, including the things discussed here recently. Why does that bother you so much? You seem obsessed with what I do, would do and am comfortable with.

    Back in the day when Griffin, was the only game in town as far as databases, they did not distinguish between cheats and advantage players, playing legally. Reading this thread, I am starting to understand their rationale. And some players that play within the rules and law took offense. Grosjean brought Griffin down because they did not distinguish. I am of that mindset.

    I do what I do, mostly blackjack play, for the money first and foremost. I make a living doing it, despite the silly stories being told. Not a fantastic living, but a comfortable living for me. That is what I am in it for. BUT, I also get a very big thrill out knowing everything I do is legal and much more importantly to me, meets my own standards. That is a very big "high" for me.

    So, your (monet) standards are different than mine. So what? You don't have to answer to me, you answer to yourself. And I don't think I have ever judged anyone else doing things I wouldn't. Again, that is your call. I have no love lost for the casino industry. I believe they are the most predatory industry I have ever seen, in almost everything they do, every decision they make, including crossing the line of what is legal. So, I am of the mindset they deserve everything any player does, within the rules or not, legal or not. It's just not for me.

    So do what you want and stop worrying so much what KewlJ thinks or would do. If you want to march into a casino, guns drawn, hold up the cage and see how far out the front door you can make it...power to you. I'll be rooting for you. I would never do it, but I will be rooting for you.
    Rob Singer / Robert Argentino: Failed Advantage Player, lifelong degenerate losing gambler and now failed gambling forums troll.

  3. #2543
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    ]Yes, Money (sorry typo ) I do think most on this forum are crazy, but that opinion was formed long ago and is not based on this discussion.

    And no I would not employ marking cards, nor anything illegal, including the things discussed here recently. Why does that bother you so much? You seem obsessed with what I do, would do and am comfortable with.

    Back in the day when Griffin, was the only game in town as far as databases, they did not distinguish between cheats and advantage players, playing legally. Reading this thread, I am starting to understand their rationale. And some players that play within the rules and law took offense. Grosjean brought Griffin down because they did not distinguish. I am of that mindset.

    I do what I do, mostly blackjack play, for the money first and foremost. I make a living doing it, despite the silly stories being told. Not a fantastic living, but a comfortable living for me. That is what I am in it for. BUT, I also get a very big thrill out knowing everything I do is legal and much more importantly to me, meets my own standards. That is a very big "high" for me.

    So, your (monet) standards are different than mine. So what? You don't have to answer to me, you answer to yourself. And I don't think I have ever judged anyone else doing things I wouldn't. Again, that is your call. I have no love lost for the casino industry. I believe they are the most predatory industry I have ever seen, in almost everything they do, every decision they make, including crossing the line of what is legal. So, I am of the mindset they deserve everything any player does, within the rules or not, legal or not. It's just not for me.

    So do what you want and stop worrying so much what KewlJ thinks or would do. If you want to march into a casino, guns drawn, hold up the cage and see how far out the front door you can make it...power to you. I'll be rooting for you. I would never do it, but I will be rooting for you.
    Simple move for home games.
    Do not attempt at Casinos...


  4. #2544
    Originally Posted by monet View Post
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    Great points. Ivey's (and his accomplice's) edge sorting move was fair and square in my book - I would classify him as an advantage player and not a cheat nor a liar. We were told we should not always be trolling one another and move on to more fruitful discussions (I'm paraphrasing here). But then, when Seed Value requested that we get the ball rolling with some real world advantage play discussion, starting it off with his interesting ghost card play (followed by me mentioning a dangerous move, the LP, that someone showed me), it was then decided that we should not be discussing real world topics.

    P.S. With regard to cheaters cheating cheaters, you'll recall from one of our previous discussions that this is so common that the Aussies even have a name for someone that robs robbers - a Standover Man.

    P.P.S. I'm glad next-hand UX multipliers aren't considered to have value with regard to the law.

    Edit:Your Hot Sucker thread and the many times Mickey has provided extremely useful AP info were previous examples of outstanding discussions - I didn't mean to imply that this was first time such discussions have occurred.
    Cheater Cheater Pumpkin Eater...

    Good tutorial, thanks for posting. Here is a move getting caught on a livestream:

  5. #2545
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    Good tutorial, thanks for posting. Here is a move getting caught on a livestream:
    Careful now... we're getting close to PostleGate.

  6. #2546
    As If this isn't Cheating or Collusion!?
    I'm just taking 20 grand off the table, no big whoop.
    Like I say, never go partners at the table in the same game.
    Phil should just lend Mike money.
    A Loan makes sense but this shit is ridiculous.
    And I really don't get it.
    From my understanding Mike has 5 to 8 Million and Phil has about 20 Million.
    Of course since no players objected they can do whatever they want IMO.
    I could have bad information though.
    Mike must be broke as shit if Phil has to demand 20 grand on live stream before he leaves the game lol.
    How much does Aria pay Phil by the way?
    Skip Ahead to about the 11 minute mark.

    Last edited by monet; 06-27-2022 at 06:41 PM.

  7. #2547
    Mike's entire bankroll IS Phil Hellmuth.

  8. #2548
    Originally Posted by monet View Post
    As If this isn't Cheating or Collusion!?
    I'm just taking 20 grand off the table, no big whoop.
    Like I say, never go partners at the table in the same game.
    Phil should just lend Mike money.
    A Loan makes sense but this shit is ridiculous.
    And I really don't get it.
    From my understanding Mike has 5 to 8 Million and Phil has about 20 Million.
    Of course since no players objected they can do whatever they want IMO.
    I could have bad information though.
    Mike must be broke as shit if Phil has to demand 20 grand on live stream before he leaves the game lol.
    How much does Aria pay Phil by the way?
    Skip Ahead to about the 11 minute mark.
    On the bright side, at least Mike wasn't involved in the hand (it was Jungleman and Nick) while he was getting Phil his 20K in chips ;-).
    Hilarious, thanks for posting.

  9. #2549
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    Mike's entire bankroll IS Phil Hellmuth.
    It certainly does seem that way.
    Thanks for the information.

  10. #2550
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by monet View Post
    Obviously players like kewlJ does not approve nor would he ever use an advantage like marked cards.
    By his standards we are all crazy on this board and should not discuss these real world topics.
    Heck, he stated that he stopped playing at certain shops (Circus Circus) because he could see the dealers hole cards.
    LOL, Honest Abe.
    Yes, Money (sorry typo ) I do think most on this forum are crazy, but that opinion was formed long ago and is not based on this discussion.

    And no I would not employ marking cards, nor anything illegal, including the things discussed here recently. Why does that bother you so much? You seem obsessed with what I do, would do and am comfortable with.

    Back in the day when Griffin, was the only game in town as far as databases, they did not distinguish between cheats and advantage players, playing legally. Reading this thread, I am starting to understand their rationale. And some players that play within the rules and law took offense. Grosjean brought Griffin down because they did not distinguish. I am of that mindset.

    I do what I do, mostly blackjack play, for the money first and foremost. I make a living doing it, despite the silly stories being told. Not a fantastic living, but a comfortable living for me. That is what I am in it for. BUT, I also get a very big thrill out knowing everything I do is legal and much more importantly to me, meets my own standards. That is a very big "high" for me.

    So, your (monet) standards are different than mine. So what? You don't have to answer to me, you answer to yourself. And I don't think I have ever judged anyone else doing things I wouldn't. Again, that is your call. I have no love lost for the casino industry. I believe they are the most predatory industry I have ever seen, in almost everything they do, every decision they make, including crossing the line of what is legal. So, I am of the mindset they deserve everything any player does, within the rules or not, legal or not. It's just not for me.

    So do what you want and stop worrying so much what KewlJ thinks or would do. If you want to march into a casino, guns drawn, hold up the cage and see how far out the front door you can make it...power to you. I'll be rooting for you. I would never do it, but I will be rooting for you.



    The only one who is capable on this forum of walking into a casino guns drawn is you gunplay. This is exactly what I told the authorities.

  11. #2551
    Originally Posted by Seedvalue View Post
    The only one who is capable on this forum of walking into a casino guns drawn is you gunplay. This is exactly what I told the authorities.
    You're a freak and a weird dude.

  12. #2552
    Originally Posted by jdaewoo View Post
    Originally Posted by Seedvalue View Post
    The only one who is capable on this forum of walking into a casino guns drawn is you gunplay. This is exactly what I told the authorities.
    You're a freak and a weird dude.
    This you lol

    “You're an ignorant cunt. Scientists and doctors who are smarter than you'll ever be looked at data and determined that vaccinated individuals don't need to wear masks.

    I sincerely hope you get covid and it doesn't kill you, but results in permanent damage to your body that negatively impacts your quality of life.“

  13. #2553
    Originally Posted by Seedvalue View Post
    Originally Posted by jdaewoo View Post
    Originally Posted by Seedvalue View Post
    The only one who is capable on this forum of walking into a casino guns drawn is you gunplay. This is exactly what I told the authorities.
    You're a freak and a weird dude.
    This you lol

    “You're an ignorant cunt. Scientists and doctors who are smarter than you'll ever be looked at data and determined that vaccinated individuals don't need to wear masks.

    I sincerely hope you get covid and it doesn't kill you, but results in permanent damage to your body that negatively impacts your quality of life.“
    I can picture you now showing Kewgunzz off on the strip as he struts around in a Adeline stripped jumper
    to celebrate pride month.

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    Originally Posted by Seedvalue
    I can picture you now showing Kewgunzz off on the strip as he struts around in a Adeline stripped jumper to celebrate pride month.
    I suspect a closeted fag such as yourself would have such fantasies.
    What, Me Worry?

  15. #2555
    Play 2 Involves lose rebates without stipulations like time or a lose that would need to be met before the rebate kicked in.

    This play my team and I have run multiple times over the years. What makes this particular story different is the play lasted for almost two years. It ended because the lose rebate player ended up getting involved with a host romantically and eventually got caught up in something outside of the casino that would result in her arrest.

    I mentioned before I like to use middle age women in my plays. They can get away with things most men couldn’t. It’s almost as tho they are invisible to casinos surveillance. This play first involves losing a large sum of money over a period of months to negotiate a loss rebate. I have found over the years this is best done by playing higher denomination slot machines. Depending on what part of the country you are in this could very from $5 to $100. This particular area anything over $10 per spin was considered a big player. The casino had great mail and plenty of 10k and 5k must hits. Plus they had a certain player tracking system I like.

    Most of these plays your flying blind because you don’t really know if the rebate could be negotiated successfully. It’s not like using large sums of front money to negotiate on the front end. This is all done after the casino already has your money. So you need many different things to line up. I’ve spent as much as 6 months trying to get a player over the line to the rebate. The coin in required and lose is pretty substantial up front. Again im not going to give specifics but the range of coin in could be as much as 2 million or as little as 500k. It’s all property specific

    To help keep the play break even until we get to the negotiation I combine this play with multi carding. Having 10 and 5k are good for this. As well as games like Ultimate X, and a few others I will not name. This play also involves some slight of hand at the tables, as we are cultivating a complete degenerate player profile. The loss rebate player also needs to have the ability to qualify for a certain level of casino credit. Again I’m not going to get into specific numbers, but the casino needs to believe they have the chance for a big score. These greedy fucks can’t resist a chance to bankrupt someone for their bottom line. You also need one of those cheesy used car salesmen type host. You know the type

    To be continued later my phone is about to die

  16. #2556
    We're Fucking Gambling over here bro.
    We're Fucking Degenerates...

    (lol @ Pickleball and 60/40 Fucking Faggot)

    https://twitter.com/#!/x/status/1540810961334030340
    Last edited by monet; 06-28-2022 at 02:45 PM.

  17. #2557
    Originally Posted by MisterV View Post
    Originally Posted by Seedvalue
    I can picture you now showing Kewgunzz off on the strip as he struts around in a Adeline stripped jumper to celebrate pride month.
    I suspect a closeted fag such as yourself would have such fantasies.
    Go smoke some more weed bro to further drive down your T levels that are most certainly near zero at this point. Maybe you can get those man boobs to fill out a nice B cup.

  18. #2558
    They say Cheaters Never Win.
    I disagree...


  19. #2559
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by coach belly View Post
    Doesn't exactly make Flash an outlier.
    Ok, so you guys are bringing up Flash. I didn't want to talk bad about him because last I heard he was very, very sick, plus in his 80's and I suspect he has now passed on.

    But here is the real story of Flash. He was a college professor, who retired in his early 50's to pursue blackjack card counting. He also admitted many times that he was a lifetime horse race and roulette player. So when he retired to pursue blackjack, his wife continued working for 20 years to support them. He never really made a living from blackjack play as he claims. He had one big year playing on a hole-card team where he made several hundred thousand dollars. Other than that he averaged 17k a year from card counting. Again, he admitted this towards the end of his posting days.

    Now none of what I said is a problem. Nothing wrong with a parttime player playing in retirement, making a little money. But he was never a professional player as he claimed for many years. So what he did at Norm's forum, Blackjack the forum, was present himself as this 20 year professional player, willing to tutor or mentor new players for a fee. Nothing really wrong with that either. The BJ boot camp guys do that. I don't really like the idea of churning out more players for no reason, but that is probably because I make my living playing blackjack.

    So the real problem with Flash is that it came to light throughout the BJ community that as part of this training or mentoring, Flash would combine bankrolls with his "students", which he would hold. So low and behold, Flash was robbed of this 6 figure bankroll, when no one else was around. People that knew flash suspected he lost the BR playing roulette or craps.

    I know this is kind of a nasty story to relay of someone no longer with us, but anyone that wants to can check with some of the real BJ players in the community.
    Flash was responsible for the bankroll. If he didn't pay anyone back, getting robbed is no excuse for that. He was responsible.

    Having said that....No way in hell would I ever turn my bankroll over to someone else. I dont give a damn how legitimate they appear to be. Fuck them and the horse they rode in on for even asking me to do such a thing.
    Maxpen.Is.The.Forum.Bitch

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    Originally Posted by Seedvalue
    Go smoke some more weed bro to further drive down your T levels that are most certainly near zero at this point. Maybe you can get those man boobs to fill out a nice B cup.
    More gay fantasies from the bisexual hemorrhoid.

    Dude, chill out...go to a glory hole and drink your fill: sheesh...
    What, Me Worry?

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