When Weakness Prevails, Show Them The Meaning of Strength

[MisterV]

Forums provide easy access to anyone with an axe to grind, a story to share, or in Rob's case a fantasy to pursue.

Seems to me he's a smart guy but hung up on trying to make himself look powerful, significant, a man in a man's world.

But the thing you must remember, at least the way I see it, is that he relishes the feedback, the attention.

I knew a lawyer who said "There is no such thing as bad publcity for an attorney;" perhaps the same holds true here, where "there is no such thing as bad publicity for an attention seeking forum member."

He gets off on it, and why wouldn't he?

Sad but also amusing.

Unlike douche dawg, the poster child for forum attention whore, I haven't blocked Rob because he is a troll's troll, a master at whose feet troll apprentices can learn a trick or two.

[kewlJ]

I sent an email to Gambling with an Edge, linking this thread and giving a brief summary of the claims. I stressed that I would not have bothered except that mickey crimm, who is a Gambling with an Edge guest, said that he believed the jackpots were won by Rob Argentino.

GWAE doesn't want to get involved with this kind of forum drama/trolling situations. I have requested they interview Mdog, because I knew they would ask the right questions, but they just don't want to be part of this kind of crap.

Mickey saying what ever he says now is irrelevant. Just go back and read everything he said 6, 8, 9 years ago, when he was being truthful and leading the charge against Singer and this exact bullcrap. It is quite clear to everyone that mickey too, now enjoys these troll games. It doesn't effect his credibilty as a real and successful AP, but you have to seperate out that on forums, he likes the troll stuff and has now injected himself directly into this crap.

[redietz]

I sent an email to Gambling with an Edge, linking this thread and giving a brief summary of the claims. I stressed that I would not have bothered except that mickey crimm, who is a Gambling with an Edge guest, said that he believed the jackpots were won by Rob Argentino.

GWAE doesn't want to get involved with this kind of forum drama/trolling situations. I have requested they interview Mdog, because I knew they would ask the right questions, but they just don't want to be part of this kind of crap.

Mickey saying what ever he says now is irrelevant. Just go back and read everything he said 6, 8, 9 years ago, when he was being truthful and leading the charge against Singer and this exact bullcrap. It is quite clear to everyone that mickey too, now enjoys these troll games. It doesn't effect his credibilty as a real and successful AP, but you have to seperate out that on forums, he likes the troll stuff and has now injected himself directly into this crap.

Well, since Dancer and GWAE are the video poker experts, I feel like I did my due diligence. So until and unless they respond, I won't bother with this any more, as it seems ridiculous, really.

I own some site names. I could get one or two rolling and stick a forum on them. I've always intended to do that (I held onto some of these for years), but never really had the time to write chunks of copy to get one started. Plus once you start up a forum, you are at the behest of the server to make sure there is no scamming or child porn or ultra-foul language and all that, or they can toss you off. I actually started writing some copy a few weeks back for "anchor articles" for a site. I'm not sure how I'd handle a forum, however. On one hand, I think if you don't provide your real name to the forum host, regardless of whether you post under a handle, then the forum owner lacks control. I'm really not into people playing at being expert who aren't expert, or people whose posts are 50% wise ass comments relating to nothing about gambling or Socratic crap that contributes nothing except making people re-edit their original posts five times so they don't make minor mistakes.

Obviously, I don't want to make any money. The site would be non-monetized. But I would like to provide some semi-serious meeting place for multi-interest gamblers who have some experience or expertise. I'd have zero patience with things like the MaxPen/mickey exchanges or Alan pretending he doesn't know rules of journalism. Those are two different kinds of trolling, but they are still trolling, I think. I don't even know what trolling is, honestly. The MaxPen/mickey stuff is a waste of broadband. Alan pretending he thinks one thing when he knows something else is just lying that's beneath his history. So I guess rather than labeling this stuff trolling, I'd label what's wrong with it specifically. I have no issues being the expert who makes the calls on content, since I am an expert who should make the calls on content. I'm not some anonymous pretend cowboy. But my actual expert gambling knowledge is narrow, so I'm going to sound like Genghis Khan when I shut people down regarding topics I know very little about. Like would I debate MDawg regarding baccarat? No, I'd just shut down nonsensical claims that defy math.

I listened to a podcast last night previewing the authors' book, Calling Bullshit: The Art of Skepticism in a Data-Driven World. I really liked what they had to say about using a "black box" flow chart to evaluate claims when you aren't expert in the math of the claims. It makes sense to me and is very practical. They are doing a rebroadcast tonight at skepticalinquirer.org. If you get a chance, listen to the podcast and tell me what you think.

[Rob.Singer]

OK boz, you did it!

When max, red and even kew get forced into making record numbers of posted words, you know they're doing so because they know the truth but want it so badly to be something else. The problem for max is, nobody believes his Caesars nonsense.

But here's what I'll do to further enrage and ridicule you idiots even more. Next Tues. at noon I'll be at the Silverado Bar inside SP. There you can see my son, who you will be forced to accept is the same big guy who took my jackpot pictures. He will also be carrying a probably 45 pound bag with $700k in real money won from my $1.5 million hit that's got you fools all riled up. That'll put and end to this fake cash BS as well as to max's horseshit story about Caesars....unless any of you are still stupid enuf to believe Caesars hired my son to take their jackpot pictures

I know you people are too chicken to come over here, so I'll bring the firestorm to you. Then, if you still have any fortitude left in those sad sack, casino-wasted bodies and minds of yours, you can report on the ridicule right her, red can send it over to Dancer and Curtis and even his mama.

And I expect you wussies, especially max, to say "but gee Rob, aren't you concerned carrying that much cash could be dangerous"? Not at all. My son is a fit and healthy big oaf, and my nephew (off duty federal law enforcement who used to work in the LV field office) will be around although no one will see him. Then there's me. We're valet parking so there's very little risk overall.

Tues. at noon. This time Im coming to YOU. Man-up this time. Even you, pipsqueak.

[MisterV]

Why don't you fly up to Portland and let me see the original W2-G?

This other histrionic bullshit proves nothing.

Seriously, viewing the W2-G is the easiest way to prove you actually won.

I know, I know, you enjoy keeping "the little people" confused and chasing their tails so I don't anticipate that you'll allow the W2-G to be examined, leaving us with only an ongoing blizzard of bullshit.

But that's cool, sometimes bullshit is more fun than reality.

"Money for nothin' and chicks for free."

[MaxPen]

I sent an email to Gambling with an Edge, linking this thread and giving a brief summary of the claims. I stressed that I would not have bothered except that mickey crimm, who is a Gambling with an Edge guest, said that he believed the jackpots were won by Rob Argentino.

GWAE doesn't want to get involved with this kind of forum drama/trolling situations. I have requested they interview Mdog, because I knew they would ask the right questions, but they just don't want to be part of this kind of crap.

Mickey saying what ever he says now is irrelevant. Just go back and read everything he said 6, 8, 9 years ago, when he was being truthful and leading the charge against Singer and this exact bullcrap. It is quite clear to everyone that mickey too, now enjoys these troll games. It doesn't effect his credibilty as a real and successful AP, but you have to seperate out that on forums, he likes the troll stuff and has now injected himself directly into this crap.

Well, since Dancer and GWAE are the video poker experts, I feel like I did my due diligence. So until and unless they respond, I won't bother with this any more, as it seems ridiculous, really.

I own some site names. I could get one or two rolling and stick a forum on them. I've always intended to do that (I held onto some of these for years), but never really had the time to write chunks of copy to get one started. Plus once you start up a forum, you are at the behest of the server to make sure there is no scamming or child porn or ultra-foul language and all that, or they can toss you off. I actually started writing some copy a few weeks back for "anchor articles" for a site. I'm not sure how I'd handle a forum, however. On one hand, I think if you don't provide your real name to the forum host, regardless of whether you post under a handle, then the forum owner lacks control. I'm really not into people playing at being expert who aren't expert, or people whose posts are 50% wise ass comments relating to nothing about gambling or Socratic crap that contributes nothing except making people re-edit their original posts five times so they don't make minor mistakes.

Obviously, I don't want to make any money. The site would be non-monetized. But I would like to provide some semi-serious meeting place for multi-interest gamblers who have some experience or expertise. I'd have zero patience with things like the MaxPen/mickey exchanges or Alan pretending he doesn't know rules of journalism. Those are two different kinds of trolling, but they are still trolling, I think. I don't even know what trolling is, honestly. The MaxPen/mickey stuff is a waste of broadband. Alan pretending he thinks one thing when he knows something else is just lying that's beneath his history. So I guess rather than labeling this stuff trolling, I'd label what's wrong with it specifically. I have no issues being the expert who makes the calls on content, since I am an expert who should make the calls on content. I'm not some anonymous pretend cowboy. But my actual expert gambling knowledge is narrow, so I'm going to sound like Genghis Khan when I shut people down regarding topics I know very little about. Like would I debate MDawg regarding baccarat? No, I'd just shut down nonsensical claims that defy math.

I listened to a podcast last night previewing the authors' book, Calling Bullshit: The Art of Skepticism in a Data-Driven World. I really liked what they had to say about using a "black box" flow chart to evaluate claims when you aren't expert in the math of the claims. It makes sense to me and is very practical. They are doing a rebroadcast tonight at skepticalinquirer.org. If you get a chance, listen to the podcast and tell me what you think.

Sounds like a real fun place with no members....RIP

[MaxPen]

OK boz, you did it!

When max, red and even kew get forced into making record numbers of posted words, you know they're doing so because they know the truth but want it so badly to be something else. The problem for max is, nobody believes his Caesars nonsense.

But here's what I'll do to further enrage and ridicule you idiots even more. Next Tues. at noon I'll be at the Silverado Bar inside SP. There you can see my son, who you will be forced to accept is the same big guy who took my jackpot pictures. He will also be carrying a probably 45 pound bag with $700k in real money won from my $1.5 million hit that's got you fools all riled up. That'll put and end to this fake cash BS as well as to max's horseshit story about Caesars....unless any of you are still stupid enuf to believe Caesars hired my son to take their jackpot pictures

I know you people are too chicken to come over here, so I'll bring the firestorm to you. Then, if you still have any fortitude left in those sad sack, casino-wasted bodies and minds of yours, you can report on the ridicule right her, red can send it over to Dancer and Curtis and even his mama.

And I expect you wussies, especially max, to say "but gee Rob, aren't you concerned carrying that much cash could be dangerous"? Not at all. My son is a fit and healthy big oaf, and my nephew (off duty federal law enforcement who used to work in the LV field office) will be around although no one will see him. Then there's me. We're valet parking so there's very little risk overall.

Tues. at noon. This time Im coming to YOU. Man-up this time. Even you, pipsqueak.

See you there.

Give us the courtesy of a notice if you plan to not show. Thanks

When did I say Caesars hired your son? I said you got the pics from an employee. That's not your son. It's the guy who hit that jackpot taking a pic of it himself.

Edit: That fake money from Amazon must be like 2.5x as heavy as real money...lol

[Rob.Singer]

Why don't you fly up to Portland and let me see the original W2-G?

This other histrionic bullshit proves nothing.

Seriously, viewing the W2-G is the easiest way to prove you actually won.

I know, I know, you enjoy keeping "the little people" confused and chasing their tails so I don't anticipate that you'll allow the W2-G to be examined, leaving us with only an ongoing blizzard of bullshit.

But that's cool, sometimes bullshit is more fun than reality.

"Money for nothin' and chicks for free."

You're missing the point. These people now claim some Caesars employee snapped those pictures. Seeing my son in person will 100% eliminate that lie.

You're also missing that I and the casino agreed not to divulge private information, at least verbally. In my career of dealing on important matters with other businesses, you did what you said.

The next point you're missing is this newly claimed "fake cash" baloney. Seeing $700k in real money will shock these clowns....into total submission. And do you really think any or all of them combined have ever seen that much on one person? (Wait for it....another jbjb dumbass one-liner, trying to make it appear like he sees it everyday).

However, the biggest point you're missing is, no one, including you, would EVER accept any paperwork I showed them as honest. You could claim all day long on bibles and Joe Biden's ass that "you saw the tax form and it was real". But just as you saw kew do with a legitimate interstate RV simplified bill of sale for registration purposes, he will immediately claim how he "knows" I purchased a blank online and filled it out however I saw for to complete the spoof.

These people just cannot absorb such damage. Seeing them face-to-face with the person in the reflection and with the cash, will shut them down for good. And as an added bonus, kew may actually off himself this time.

[MisterV]

Oh, I understand your arguments, I really do: you've got some of these guys doing cartwheels.

But seeing a bag of money proves only that you have a bag of money, not that you won $1.5M.

I agree that posting the W2-G here may not satisfy many due to the possibility of forgery / alteration.

No, the best, perhaps the only way to put this little brouhaha to rest is for you to show the original W2-G to someone both trusted and able not to divulge your address and social security number, i.e. someone who won't dox you.

In that regard I have a suggestion: I recall a poster was willing to pay $5K for clear proof; arrange for attorney Bob Nersesian to view the original and report to the forum; both you and the other poster will prepay his fee, and whoever "wins" gets their prepaid fee returned to him.

Easy peasy, but I won't hold my breath.

"Give the people what they want: bread and circuses."

[mickeycrimm]

I sent an email to Gambling with an Edge, linking this thread and giving a brief summary of the claims. I stressed that I would not have bothered except that mickey crimm, who is a Gambling with an Edge guest, said that he believed the jackpots were won by Rob Argentino.

If anyone wants the email verbatim, let me know. I'm a little busy with USFL today, but might be able to post it and any reply sometime Monday, if a reply is forthcoming.

First things first. I've been on the road for three days, driven about 1K miles, with casino stops in between. So didn't pay attention to the forum for a few days as you can easily see by the dates on my posts.

So I did a quick scan this morning and see this thread at the top. I find out it's 13 pages and I have to go all the way back to page 3 to catch up on the story. Damn, 10 pages overnight. Made me late for getting back on the road.

So I read Rob's post about putting down the play. Then I scoll down and there's a 1.5 mil handpay. Wow! Way to go, Rob! I laughed my ass off because I then knew why the thread went 10 pages in a day. All the Inspector Cleauseu's jumped on it like white on rice. It's just hilarious that Singer can get these guys going so easily.

Then they jump on Rob because it's someone else in the picture. My first thought was can't these clowns read. Rob said it was his son that took the pic.

Then tewlj says I've been lurking but not posting about Rob's story. Bullshit. First time I seen the thread was this morning. Tewlj just conjures shit up to fit his narrative. And maxiepad jumped right on it too, I'm to afraid to say anything. Yeah, right.

Then redietz starts in with his "we're gonnna shame mickeycrimm" bullshit "He'll never tell LVA that he believes Rob's claims."

Well, comrade, this is what I have to say to LVA and GWAE so you can quote me if you wish:

Until someone puts up some hard evidence that Rob didn't hit the 1.5 mil jackpot then I have no reason to not believe him.

You can also tell LVA and GWAE that I think it's highly likely Rob put down the double up play too.

[MisterV]

Until someone puts up some hard evidence that Rob didn't hit the 1.5 mil jackpot then I have no reason to not believe him..

Fine.

Until somebody puts up some hard evidence that unicorns don't exist then I have no reason to not believe they exist.

Logic FAIL

[Rob.Singer]

As I said....these people will say ANYTHING to limit the damage the truth does to their minds. It's almost like torture's relationship to the body. In fact, it probably IS tortuous.

Kew NEEDED for you to have visited the forum while mickey was busy. More proof his life is nothing more than one giant online concoction.

And of course, the coward maxpen wanted to believe it so he jumped right in....like a little sissy into his mommy's bathtub.

[kewlJ]

Ron says he made an agreement with the casino not to divulge any information. Umm....for the last day and a half he has been revealing every detail of this supposed play, down to the room they supposedly put him in.

Ok, so we are down to people calling for Rob to show the W-2. Just like 9 years ago that I was reading, Rob has every reason under the sun why he won't. But now instead, he wants to meet people at SP and show them a big bag of money? Will you be pulling the stacks out of the bag for people to examine or are we just suppose to take your word that this person with you holding a bad is holding a bag of $700k cash?

If you are going to put the money on the bar for inspection, that should be interesting. If that isn't your intent, then why bother with a dude holding a bag? Proves nothing. All this rather than show the W-2? Will you be bringing the W-2?

If Druff is going to be in Vegas on Tuesday, I hope he can clear a little time to see the W-2. That right there gets to the bottom of this. This nonsense with a bag of money and armed ex-FBI agents isn't necessary or relevant. It is just more Singer drama. I will look it up next week when I have more time, but I am telling you there was this exact discussion between Singer and Alan back in 2013 about showing a W-2 to match pictures he took of a win, that no one beleived. This is like watching a bad re-run with the exact same lines and excuses.

Hopefully Druff will be available and is interested in getting to the bottom of this. That is, IF he even checks in before next week. Otherwise will be interesting to see how this plays out.

[MaxPen]

Oh, I understand your arguments, I really do: you've got some of these guys doing cartwheels.

But seeing a bag of money proves only that you have a bag of money, not that you won $1.5M.

I agree that posting the W2-G here may not satisfy many due to the possibility of forgery / alteration.

No, the best, perhaps the only way to put this little brouhaha to rest is for you to show the original W2-G to someone both trusted and able not to divulge your address and social security number, i.e. someone who won't dox you.

In that regard I have a suggestion: I recall a poster was willing to pay $5K for clear proof; arrange for attorney Bob Nersesian to view the original and report to the forum; both you and the other poster will prepay his fee, and whoever "wins" gets their prepaid fee returned to him.

Easy peasy, but I won't hold my breath.

"Give the people what they want: bread and circuses."

I'm good with that. $5k is ok. But I would rather bet $10k. I'm done with this nonsense. I'm driving right now. Let's set this up. I'm in. $10k to Rob when he proves to Nersesian that the $1.5 million jackpot is his. $10k to me when he can't. I will drop the cash in escrow wherever needed.

Here's my cash. Let me know where to drop it. It's not as pretty as that fake shit from Amazon though.

[MisterV]

Well played, Max.

Rob, the ball is in your court.

[Rob.Singer]

Ron says he made an agreement with the casino not to divulge any information. Umm....for the last day and a half he has been revealing every detail of this supposed play, down to the room they supposedly put him in.

Ok, so we are down to people calling for Rob to show the W-2. Just like 9 years ago that I was reading, Rob has every reason under the sun why he won't. But now instead, he wants to meet people at SP and show them a big bag of money? Will you be pulling the stacks out of the bag for people to examine or are we just suppose to take your word that this person with you holding a bad is holding a bag of $700k cash?

If you are going to put the money on the bar for inspection, that should be interesting. If that isn't your intent, then why bother with a dude holding a bag? Proves nothing. All this rather than show the W-2? Will you be bringing the W-2?

If Druff is going to be in Vegas on Tuesday, I hope he can clear a little time to see the W-2. That right there gets to the bottom of this. This nonsense with a bag of money and armed ex-FBI agents isn't necessary or relevant. It is just more Singer drama. I will look it up next week when I have more time, but I am telling you there was this exact discussion between Singer and Alan back in 2013 about showing a W-2 to match pictures he took of a win, that no one beleived. This is like watching a bad re-run with the exact same lines and excuses.

Hopefully Druff will be available and is interested in getting to the bottom of this. That is, IF he even checks in before next week. Otherwise will be interesting to see how this plays out.

Your lying precedes you....and mickey 's presence scares you.

My nephew is not an "ex-FBI agent. He is an FBI field agent who will be off duty on the casino visit.

I want you there kew. I want to watch your face as you realize it was my son in that "reflection" and I want to see your reaction to realizing Singer does indeed have more money than cousin Eddy. I know you're a fairy who, with multiple Covid attacks, infected blood, and two weakly-performing heart operations has lead you into being an infection-magnet. BUT YOURE GONNA WANNA SEE THESE THINGS TO COMPLETE THE INEVITABLE HEART ATTACK!

[Rob.Singer]

Oh, I understand your arguments, I really do: you've got some of these guys doing cartwheels.

But seeing a bag of money proves only that you have a bag of money, not that you won $1.5M.

I agree that posting the W2-G here may not satisfy many due to the possibility of forgery / alteration.

No, the best, perhaps the only way to put this little brouhaha to rest is for you to show the original W2-G to someone both trusted and able not to divulge your address and social security number, i.e. someone who won't dox you.

In that regard I have a suggestion: I recall a poster was willing to pay $5K for clear proof; arrange for attorney Bob Nersesian to view the original and report to the forum; both you and the other poster will prepay his fee, and whoever "wins" gets their prepaid fee returned to him.

Easy peasy, but I won't hold my breath.

"Give the people what they want: bread and circuses."

I'm good with that. $5k is ok. But I would rather bet $10k. I'm done with this nonsense. I'm driving right now. Let's set this up. I'm in. $10k to Rob when he proves to Nersesian that the $1.5 million jackpot is his. $10k to me when he can't. I will drop the cash in escrow wherever needed.

Here's my cash. Let me know where to drop it. It's not as pretty as that fake shit from Amazon though.

That's prop money! How desperate ARE you?

You already said you'd be there Tues. Now you're backing out like the chickenshit you've always been, just because Mr.V has some "safe-at-a-distance" idea to bring some local yocal attorney into the mix.

Show up at SP like you said you would, coward. I'll let you see every bill. But tell me what you want to see even if it's every bill, and don't try touching any of it. You do and either your finger or wrist is destroyed--whichever cracks first.

Man up....and enuf with the fake cash pictures.

[kewlJ]

I want you there kew.

I'll bet you do! Who didn't know that? I have no intention of revealing myself to another hater from these forums, that has hopes of damaging my career. That too, I knew was your intent from a mile away. You always think you are a step ahead, but really are two steps behind.

Anyway, MaxPen has thrown down the gauntlet. Time for you to put up or STFU and fade away. God wouldn't that be nice.

[MaxPen]

Oh, I understand your arguments, I really do: you've got some of these guys doing cartwheels.

But seeing a bag of money proves only that you have a bag of money, not that you won $1.5M.

I agree that posting the W2-G here may not satisfy many due to the possibility of forgery / alteration.

No, the best, perhaps the only way to put this little brouhaha to rest is for you to show the original W2-G to someone both trusted and able not to divulge your address and social security number, i.e. someone who won't dox you.

In that regard I have a suggestion: I recall a poster was willing to pay $5K for clear proof; arrange for attorney Bob Nersesian to view the original and report to the forum; both you and the other poster will prepay his fee, and whoever "wins" gets their prepaid fee returned to him.

Easy peasy, but I won't hold my breath.

"Give the people what they want: bread and circuses."

I'm good with that. $5k is ok. But I would rather bet $10k. I'm done with this nonsense. I'm driving right now. Let's set this up. I'm in. $10k to Rob when he proves to Nersesian that the $1.5 million jackpot is his. $10k to me when he can't. I will drop the cash in escrow wherever needed.

Here's my cash. Let me know where to drop it. It's not as pretty as that fake shit from Amazon though.

That's prop money! How desperate ARE you?

You already said you'd be there Tues. Now you're backing out like the chickenshit you've always been, just because Mr.V has some "safe-at-a-distance" idea to bring some local yocal attorney into the mix.

Show up at SP like you said you would, coward. I'll let you see every bill. But tell me what you want to see even if it's every bill, and don't try touching any of it. You do and either your finger of wrist is destroyed--whichever cracks first.

Man up....and enuf with the fake cash pictures.

Pathetic.... I purposefully fanned it out some so you can see the different bills. I didn't even know about prop money until Boz mentioned it.

Why don't you fan out that stack of crispies in your safe showing serial numbers and post a pic?

I will be at South Point no problem. Pretty sure you won't though.

[mickeycrimm]

Until someone puts up some hard evidence that Rob didn't hit the 1.5 mil jackpot then I have no reason to not believe him..

Fine.

Until somebody puts up some hard evidence that unicorns don't exist then I have no reason to not believe they exist.

Logic FAIL

Until someone puts up some hard evidence that Rob didn''t hit the 1.5 mil handpay I have no reason not to believe him. Get used to it, bozo.