When Weakness Prevails, Show Them The Meaning of Strength

[Rob.Singer]

I want you there kew.

I'll bet you do! Who didn't know that? I have no intention of revealing myself to another hater from these forums, that has hopes of damaging my career. That too, I knew was your intent from a mile away. You always think you are a step ahead, but really are two steps behind.

Anyway, MaxPen has thrown down the gauntlet. Time for you to put up or STFU and fade away. God wouldn't that be nice.

Now you're cowering out because you think I care about your phony "I'm a BJ pro everybody" online life. What a total loser. Smart money says you'll be hiding behind some machine, looking on like a scared little wimp.

[Rob.Singer]

I'm good with that. $5k is ok. But I would rather bet $10k. I'm done with this nonsense. I'm driving right now. Let's set this up. I'm in. $10k to Rob when he proves to Nersesian that the $1.5 million jackpot is his. $10k to me when he can't. I will drop the cash in escrow wherever needed.

Here's my cash. Let me know where to drop it. It's not as pretty as that fake shit from Amazon though.

That's prop money! How desperate ARE you?

You already said you'd be there Tues. Now you're backing out like the chickenshit you've always been, just because Mr.V has some "safe-at-a-distance" idea to bring some local yocal attorney into the mix.

Show up at SP like you said you would, coward. I'll let you see every bill. But tell me what you want to see even if it's every bill, and don't try touching any of it. You do and either your finger of wrist is destroyed--whichever cracks first.

Man up....and enuf with the fake cash pictures.

Pathetic.... I purposefully fanned it out some so you can see the different bills. I didn't even know about prop money until Boz mentioned it.

Why don't you fan out that stack of crispies in your safe showing serial numbers and post a pic?

I will be at South Point no problem. Pretty sure you won't though.

Neither did I know anything about the fake money from Amazon. And fanning out $700k right now won't cut it. You'll see it soon enough if you don't turn yellow again.

And since you're all for a $10k bet, tell me the parameters and let's make it $50k. You CAN get your team to go all-in on this, can't you?

BTW--talk your little faggot buddy into showing up. He'll turn on you without a moment's notice after you confirm it was my son and the money is there, so get him on board with this.

[MaxPen]

That's prop money! How desperate ARE you?

You already said you'd be there Tues. Now you're backing out like the chickenshit you've always been, just because Mr.V has some "safe-at-a-distance" idea to bring some local yocal attorney into the mix.

Show up at SP like you said you would, coward. I'll let you see every bill. But tell me what you want to see even if it's every bill, and don't try touching any of it. You do and either your finger of wrist is destroyed--whichever cracks first.

Man up....and enuf with the fake cash pictures.

Pathetic.... I purposefully fanned it out some so you can see the different bills. I didn't even know about prop money until Boz mentioned it.

Why don't you fan out that stack of crispies in your safe showing serial numbers and post a pic?

I will be at South Point no problem. Pretty sure you won't though.

Neither did I know anything about the fake money from Amazon. And fanning out $700k right now won't cut it. You'll see it soon enough if you don't turn yellow again.

And since you're all for a $10k bet, tell me the parameters and let's make it $50k. You CAN get your team to go all-in on this, can't you?

BTW--talk your little faggot buddy into showing up. He'll turn on you without a moment's notice after you confirm it was my son and the money is there, so get him on board with this.

Just fan out the top 1/3 of those fake bills in the safe picture. This is not hard. Shit or get off the pot.

[monet]

Until someone puts up some hard evidence that Rob didn''t hit the 1.5 mil handpay I have no reason not to believe him. Get used to it, bozo.

You have to admit that Rob has done some amazing things.
He got to crush the Double Up Bug.
He bought and sold a Newell.
He said he was going to crush 25 Dollar UX 13 days before he actually crushed 25 dollar Ultimate X for a Million Dollars.
The only problem I have is that the couple of NFL Picks that he gave us didn't do so well.
I lost money.

Have you ever played Ultimate X?
The secret name of that game is called 2 for 1.
Tough to beat a game where you constantly pay double every time you hit that button.
It certainly happens but usually you go home broke with the money you came in with.
Nature of the Beast.
Vulture Ultimate X is certainly more safe.
Of course you know that as Scavenger is your bread and butter.

Two weeks ago you were in here telling us all how the Casino doesn't like to take the risk of paying out Ultimate X.
But now all of a sudden Rob gets the Casino to give him a 25 dollar Ultimate X play putting the Casino at Risk and they lose over a Million Dollars to him.
Talk about coincidence and perhaps a bit of contradiction.
And the Nine and a Half Inch Hung Mother Fucker predicted that it would happen and did it on his FIRST attempt after the prediction, in less than two weeks!!!
But Fuck all that.
I can believe all that.
What I have a problem with is tipping the EXTORTION CREW 20,000 dollars.
How much would you tip on a 1.5 Million Dollar Jackpot MC?
Me... I stiff everyone, take it all in cash and leave the jackpot on the machine as I do circle backs till I get into my car and make sure nobody is following me.
And I secretly pray that they do follow me and we get into a high speed chase ending in a shoot out where I get to go out in a blaze of glory with hundo's flying all over the place and on top of my body.
And someone records it all on their phone who uploads it onto YouTube and they make a movie about the whole thing.
Of course they change the whole story using their artistic license.
And they make me a non-binary or transgender person.

[MisterV]

You already said you'd be there Tues. Now you're backing out like the chickenshit you've always been, just because Mr.V has some "safe-at-a-distance" idea to bring some local yocal attorney into the mix.

*sigh*

Again, you showing a bag of money proves only that you have a bag of money.

I could do it too, but what the fuck is the point?

The issue is not whether you have that kind of money, the issue is whether you won $1.5M as claimed.

Short of viewing a video of the event or getting testimony from pit critters who actually saw it, the ONLY way to prove the claim is to proffer the W2-G for examination.

BTW Bob Nersesian is not just "some local yocal (sic) attorney," he is perhaps the foremost expert trial attorney in America who specializes in gambling issues;he's the guy that REAL AP's hire when their tit is in a wringer.

But of course you'd want to avoid showing a W2-G; you'd get more mileage out of a bag of money which only leaves questions unanswered.

No surprise.

I'm reminded of the name of a kid's movie a few decades ago: "The Never Ending Story."

[Rob.Singer]

Pathetic.... I purposefully fanned it out some so you can see the different bills. I didn't even know about prop money until Boz mentioned it.

Why don't you fan out that stack of crispies in your safe showing serial numbers and post a pic?

I will be at South Point no problem. Pretty sure you won't though.

Neither did I know anything about the fake money from Amazon. And fanning out $700k right now won't cut it. You'll see it soon enough if you don't turn yellow again.

And since you're all for a $10k bet, tell me the parameters and let's make it $50k. You CAN get your team to go all-in on this, can't you?

BTW--talk your little faggot buddy into showing up. He'll turn on you without a moment's notice after you confirm it was my son and the money is there, so get him on board with this.

Just fan out the top 1/3 of those fake bills in the safe picture. This is not hard. Shit or get off the pot.

Typical--youre always so flustered with me that you never listen.

The "top third" is over $37k. You say you "fanned" but really didn't maybe 3 or 4k. Enuf with the stall tactics. You whine about every picture I post as "fake" because you just can't take it.

So stop deflecting and show up Tues....and come up with the rules on the $50k bet. I'll "fan out" $700k Tues. if you can take it. And bring the sickly high-rise condo twit.

[MisterV]

Regarding meeting Tues. at SP; to quote the Bard: It "is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing."

People, jerk each other off if that's your pleasure but Rob needs to cough up the W2-G (he won't, he'll tap dance like Fred Astaire, lol).

Let's see how this abortion unfolds.

[redietz]

GWAE doesn't want to get involved with this kind of forum drama/trolling situations. I have requested they interview Mdog, because I knew they would ask the right questions, but they just don't want to be part of this kind of crap.

Mickey saying what ever he says now is irrelevant. Just go back and read everything he said 6, 8, 9 years ago, when he was being truthful and leading the charge against Singer and this exact bullcrap. It is quite clear to everyone that mickey too, now enjoys these troll games. It doesn't effect his credibilty as a real and successful AP, but you have to seperate out that on forums, he likes the troll stuff and has now injected himself directly into this crap.

Well, since Dancer and GWAE are the video poker experts, I feel like I did my due diligence. So until and unless they respond, I won't bother with this any more, as it seems ridiculous, really.

I own some site names. I could get one or two rolling and stick a forum on them. I've always intended to do that (I held onto some of these for years), but never really had the time to write chunks of copy to get one started. Plus once you start up a forum, you are at the behest of the server to make sure there is no scamming or child porn or ultra-foul language and all that, or they can toss you off. I actually started writing some copy a few weeks back for "anchor articles" for a site. I'm not sure how I'd handle a forum, however. On one hand, I think if you don't provide your real name to the forum host, regardless of whether you post under a handle, then the forum owner lacks control. I'm really not into people playing at being expert who aren't expert, or people whose posts are 50% wise ass comments relating to nothing about gambling or Socratic crap that contributes nothing except making people re-edit their original posts five times so they don't make minor mistakes.

Obviously, I don't want to make any money. The site would be non-monetized. But I would like to provide some semi-serious meeting place for multi-interest gamblers who have some experience or expertise. I'd have zero patience with things like the MaxPen/mickey exchanges or Alan pretending he doesn't know rules of journalism. Those are two different kinds of trolling, but they are still trolling, I think. I don't even know what trolling is, honestly. The MaxPen/mickey stuff is a waste of broadband. Alan pretending he thinks one thing when he knows something else is just lying that's beneath his history. So I guess rather than labeling this stuff trolling, I'd label what's wrong with it specifically. I have no issues being the expert who makes the calls on content, since I am an expert who should make the calls on content. I'm not some anonymous pretend cowboy. But my actual expert gambling knowledge is narrow, so I'm going to sound like Genghis Khan when I shut people down regarding topics I know very little about. Like would I debate MDawg regarding baccarat? No, I'd just shut down nonsensical claims that defy math.

I listened to a podcast last night previewing the authors' book, Calling Bullshit: The Art of Skepticism in a Data-Driven World. I really liked what they had to say about using a "black box" flow chart to evaluate claims when you aren't expert in the math of the claims. It makes sense to me and is very practical. They are doing a rebroadcast tonight at skepticalinquirer.org. If you get a chance, listen to the podcast and tell me what you think.

Sounds like a real fun place with no members....RIP

Valuable and fun are two different things. Fun is in the eye of the beholder. This place is about as much fun as second graders at recess. Some people like hanging with second graders at recess. Some people would rather spend their time doing something else.

[redietz]

I sent an email to Gambling with an Edge, linking this thread and giving a brief summary of the claims. I stressed that I would not have bothered except that mickey crimm, who is a Gambling with an Edge guest, said that he believed the jackpots were won by Rob Argentino.

If anyone wants the email verbatim, let me know. I'm a little busy with USFL today, but might be able to post it and any reply sometime Monday, if a reply is forthcoming.

First things first. I've been on the road for three days, driven about 1K miles, with casino stops in between. So didn't pay attention to the forum for a few days as you can easily see by the dates on my posts.

So I did a quick scan this morning and see this thread at the top. I find out it's 13 pages and I have to go all the way back to page 3 to catch up on the story. Damn, 10 pages overnight. Made me late for getting back on the road.

So I read Rob's post about putting down the play. Then I scoll down and there's a 1.5 mil handpay. Wow! Way to go, Rob! I laughed my ass off because I then knew why the thread went 10 pages in a day. All the Inspector Cleauseu's jumped on it like white on rice. It's just hilarious that Singer can get these guys going so easily.

Then they jump on Rob because it's someone else in the picture. My first thought was can't these clowns read. Rob said it was his son that took the pic.

Then tewlj says I've been lurking but not posting about Rob's story. Bullshit. First time I seen the thread was this morning. Tewlj just conjures shit up to fit his narrative. And maxiepad jumped right on it too, I'm to afraid to say anything. Yeah, right.

Then redietz starts in with his "we're gonnna shame mickeycrimm" bullshit "He'll never tell LVA that he believes Rob's claims."

Well, comrade, this is what I have to say to LVA and GWAE so you can quote me if you wish:

Until someone puts up some hard evidence that Rob didn't hit the 1.5 mil jackpot then I have no reason to not believe him.

You can also tell LVA and GWAE that I think it's highly likely Rob put down the double up play too.

No, I fully expect you to tell LVA you believe the claims. That's why I linked this thread. You're not going to write one thing and say another. If I thought you were going to be "shamed," I would not have mentioned you.

I think you missed the whole point. I didn't want you to back down. That was the point.

[monet]

Valuable and fun are two different things. Fun is in the eye of the beholder. This place is about as much fun as second graders at recess. Some people like hanging with second graders at recess. Some people would rather spend their time doing something else.

Now you are playing dirty.
Calling us all second graders.
Not Nice!

[redietz]

By the way, you guys are whack jobs if you think toting around 700K for a day means someone hit a jackpot. That's just silly.

I've toted around six digits on occasion in LV, actually for more than a year. It wasn't evidence of anything other than me toting six digits. The amount Rob claims he'll be carrying is a third of Billy Walter's Saturday football wagering. Not that big a deal.

[kewlJ]

Everyone sees what is happening here right? VERY typical Singer, now changing terms and condition, trying to make it so MaxPen will say "no that is not what I proposed", and then Singer will claim victory that MaxPen backed out. I mean come on we have seen this 100 times already.

On top of that, Singer now saying things like if you try to touch the money, I will break your wrist. So why is he bringing a bad of money, if he is just going to say, see this bad, it is full of cash, without allowing anyone to inspect it.

THIS IS ALL very typical Singer changing terms and contidition to something he thinks the other party will balk at.

I am glad to see some people, not the usual like Monet and MrV kind of seeing this whole thing just doesn't feel right (as Singer's claims never do).

Alan, how about you? I know I am dead to you , but come on you have seen and even dealt with this many times. I read some of this same crap with YOU questioning singer as to why he couldn't show W-2, NINE years ago in 2013. It's a repeat!. How about you go on records and say something instead of radio silence?

Singer is just like Mdog at WoV. He is a complete joke and all he is trying to do is make a mockery of this forum (which he really did years ago), just as is Mdog's agenda at WoV.

This old man and his insecurity and narcissism is just really sad and pathetic.

[Alan Mendelson]

Guys there are specific rules about prop money. You can Google them. It can't be the same size, color of currency and can't be printed on both sides.

[kewlJ]

By the way, I was not familiar with "prop money" or what they call "movie money" that is sold at Amazon either. Why would anyone be familiar with that? But those not, take a look at Amozon. The stacks all nice and crisp, looking exactly like what Singer posted.

And Singer claiming MaxPens money is fake is just ridiculous. He fanned it all out showing everything.

really time for this fucktard to just go away.

[monet]

By the way, you guys are whack jobs if you think toting around 700K for a day means someone hit a jackpot. That's just silly.

I've toted around six digits on occasion in LV, actually for more than a year. It wasn't evidence of anything other than me toting six digits. The amount Rob claims he'll be carrying is a third of Billy Walter's Saturday football wagering. Not that big a deal.

All true.
I have a very light weight coat that has pockets that go all the way up the front.
That little jacket can hold 300k or more on each side but to be honest just 50k on each side gets heavy.
You really notice the weight and it's not advisable in my opinion because of the heft.
20k is plenty to carry around and much easier and lighter.
If I go out with 40 to 60k that isn't a good thing because I am usually Hot Sucker.
Much better to leave the house with 10k and come home with 80k or more... FUN.

[kewlJ]

Guys there are specific rules about prop money. You can Google them. It can't be the same size, color of currency and can't be printed on both sides.

Old rules Alan. Take a look. EXACTLY what Singer posted.

https://www.amazon.com/s?k=movie+mon..._ts-doa-p_2_11

[MisterV]

Hoping to involve others in this little tempest in a teapot I emailed the Las Vegas Sun newsroom telling them about Rob's big hit and asked whether they'd heard about a $1.5M VP hit in late May.

I gave them a link to this thread so they can learn the particulars if desired.

Doubtful they'll follow up, but hey you never know.

[Rob.Singer]

Regarding meeting Tues. at SP; to quote the Bard: It "is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing."

People, jerk each other off if that's your pleasure but Rob needs to cough up the W2-G (he won't, he'll tap dance like Fred Astaire, lol).

Let's see how this abortion unfolds.

Why are you getting involved. You keep harping about how "valuable" the tax form is, yet you never pay attention. These fools will NEVER allow a w2g come between them and their frayed nerves. Once it is viewed in my presence they'll cave because they're afraid of me. But as soon as they get behind the safety of their keyboards, it'll be all "Singer thinks he's smarter than us but we're smarter than him blah blah blah"...and they'll immediately claim "he bought one on the internet and made it look real by filling it in!"

No, I want these guys to hurt and hurt bad. I wanna see their faces like it would have been if they didn't chicken out coming over here to see the Newell. And since max brought up a bet, I'm making it worth it so I can add insult to injury.

[monet]

Hey Fuck All This... MaxPen... Brown Leather Seats with Black Interior???
Sacrilege!!
I cast you out in the name of Jesus!

[kewlJ]

MrV, Question for you as an Attorney?

Wouldn't a fake W-2 be a crime because it is a legal document? And wouldn't doing it to win a bet, be the same as forging or creating fake finacial documents to say, qualify for a loan? That is illegal.

Rob probably knows this which is why he has never been willing to present fake or forged finacial documents like W-2's.

I will wait for your reply, V.