Mdawg claims proven false AGAIN.

[kewlJ]

I don’t understand the continued obsession with this, need for these threads. Like 98% of people know he’s full of shit, and the other 2% if they weren’t convinced the first 79 times it was explained aren’t going to be convinced on the 80th.

Yeah, but maybe the 81st.

Speaking only for myself, it just really rubs me the wrong way when people make claims that defy math and reality. And then when I challenge these claims, they start lying about me. Then it is game on.

I don't know who is telling the truth and/or exaggerating their claims. I just have one simple rule. At least the math has to work.

[MisterV]

there are people making 30k plus every week for years doing the same thing. Fortunately most people lack the work ethic and metal fortitude to do this for long stretches. Keep debunking it so most people believe it’s not possible. That’s your greatest contribution to the AP community

Welcome to the forum, Seedvalue, it seems you may have salient info which fourm members might benefit from learning about.

Please explain in detail the basis for your bold claim that 'there are people making 30K plaus every week for years doing the same thng."

Obviously you have first hand information about the play or else you would not have made that claim, correct?

So educate us: what exactly do they do to earn that sort of payday, and how can I get in on the action?

Thanks in advance for what I a hope will be one of if not the most valuable posts ever made on this board, i.e. the Key to the Casino Kingdom.

[mcap]

I don’t understand the continued obsession with this, need for these threads. Like 98% of people know he’s full of shit, and the other 2% if they weren’t convinced the first 79 times it was explained aren’t going to be convinced on the 80th.

Yeah, but maybe the 81st.

Speaking only for myself, it just really rubs me the wrong way when people make claims that defy math and reality. And then when I challenge these claims, they start lying about me. Then it is game on.

I don't know who is telling the truth and/or exaggerating their claims. I just have one simple rule. At least the math has to work.

You’re meeting the definition of insanity tho bra. It’s why I had to give up the appropriate subforum thing, no one gives a fuck.

[kewlJ]

That's because you're ignorant and don't understand math. I could explain to a third grader how mail works. But you somehow are too stupid to understand it.

I know how email works but turning emails on 20 cards into $20,000 stretches it.

Then your head would explode �� if you knew there are people making 30k plus every week for years doing the same thing. Fortunately most people lack the work ethic and mental fortitude to do this for long stretches. Keep debunking it so most people believe it’s not possible. That’s your greatest contribution to the AP community

Welcome Dark...or a Seedvalue. Soon we will have more members that the mighty but now eqally trollish WoV

[kewlJ]

You’re meeting the definition of insanity tho bra. It’s why I had to give up the appropriate subforum thing, no one gives a fuck.

yeah but it took 106 mentions before you gave it up. So I still have some room to play with.

[coach belly]

No contradiction at all.

Read your own quotes...

"2 days after his announcement is when I received the actual numbers via a phone call and posted the numbers."

"Just days after I posted what his real results really were, he snuck this single line into the bottom of one of his posts at WoV."

Did you receive and post the numbers after his announcement, or did he make his announcement after you posted the numbers?

It can't be both...but you wrote both. You're caught in a lie.

Here's more...

"sometime in Mid october, I announced that I would soon have access to this information".

"in mid October, having gotten a look at his real gambling records, I released that he was not ahead 500k as stated but that his real records showed a 100k loss over those 7 months."

In mid-October, were you soon to have access to the records, or had you seen the records?

It's clear that you claimed to have first seen the records on Halloween, was that mid-October?

"several days later when I had a get together with some friends is when I was handed the actual documents."

[kewlJ]

Doesn't matter idiot. You always think you have some sort of "gottch ya" moment when you never do. So I mis-remembered as to whether I had released the infor or just said I soon would. It was me announcing that I would soon have the data that was the iceberg that began the sinking of the SS Mdog.

[Treeshade]

there are people making 30k plus every week for years doing the same thing. Fortunately most people lack the work ethic and metal fortitude to do this for long stretches. Keep debunking it so most people believe it’s not possible. That’s your greatest contribution to the AP community

Welcome to the forum, Seedvalue, it seems you may have salient info which fourm members might benefit from learning about.

Please explain in detail the basis for your bold claim that 'there are people making 30K plaus every week for years doing the same thng."

Obviously you have first hand information about the play or else you would not have made that claim, correct?

So educate us: what exactly do they do to earn that sort of payday, and how can I get in on the action?

Thanks in advance for what I a hope will be one of if not the most valuable posts ever made on this board, i.e. the Key to the Casino Kingdom.

Yawn ��

For the lazy and unmotivated I will explain

Let’s say a husband and wife visited 15 casinos a week. There are parts of the country this is possible with driving. They both create offers that get them $250 each 4 times a week. That’s 500 each visit 4 times a week at 15 casinos. The problem with 99.9 percent of APs and most people is they are lazy. Make 30k one week they take off to lounge or do something else. For motivated dedicated APs there’s literally not enough time in the week to make all the money. Plus it’s not about how much money you make but how much you hold on to. Most fake advantage players or card runners Just lose it all back to the casinos. I have seen this day after day for many years. 99 percent of advantage players I believe do it to feed their gambling addiction. There’s a very small percentage who actually make money. If you want specifics feel free to DM me I can provide actual mail to prove it. It doesn’t matter to me at this point because I have realized most of you are Just gambling degens and couldn’t take advantage of the information even if you dedicated your life to it.

[jdaewoo]

Is this DarkOz? If so, stop stroking your ego and your peen and ruining shit for the rest of us, you cunt.

Millions of dollars in opportunity vanishes so fucking easily when smart people with stupid egos decide to play dick swords about how smart they are instead of shutting the fuck up and getting the money. These cunts should be the first ones up against the wall when the revolution comes.

[Treeshade]

Is this DarkOz? If so, stop stroking your ego and your peen and ruining shit for the rest of us, you cunt.

Millions of dollars in opportunity vanishes so fucking easily when smart people with stupid egos decide to play dick swords about how smart they are instead of shutting the fuck up and getting the money. These cunts should be the first ones up against the wall when the revolution comes.

Relax JEFF … shouldn’t you be out scamming someone ?? You think these idiots could actually do what we do ? Lol no man these guys are to lazy. Plus it’s so unbelievable that it seems fake. Maybe it it’s yes it’s fake .. parody

[MisterV]

Thanks for the info Seedvalue.

Your method seems to be premised on the reciept of large offers of freeplay based on massive coin in; got it.

But in order to "create offers that get them $250 each 4 times a week" these folks will have to bet a lot of money over a lot of time, exposing same to the house edge.

How much would each need to bet throught the machines to generate that massive amount of free play?

How long would it take to play it through, as "time is money?"

Seems to my jaundiced eye that these players would likely lose more when playing in order to generate free play than the value of the free play itself, given the inexorable house edge.

[jdaewoo]

But in order to "create offers that get them $250 each 4 times a week" these folks will have to bet a lot of money over a lot of time, exposing same to the house edge.

Nope, clueless like the rest.

[kewlJ]

Is that who you are jdaewoo? Geez, I need a program to know who is who.

[Alan Mendelson]

I think Mdawg can have winning sessions of $10k to $20k simply because he makes huge bets.

I think Mdawg could be exaggerating his overall record.

I think he's probably exaggerating being in million dollar tournaments.

I think winning $20k in a week off of free play on 20 cards or winning $30k rivals Bridge sales.

I believe Redietz's claims because they're totally realistic.

I believe Kewlj's claims because they're also realistic.

And back to Mdawg....

If Kewlj is correct and Mdawg lost $100k all I can say is that Mdawg is a very fortunate guy to be able to lose $100k in casinos. We should all be that fortunate.

So congratulations Mdawg. Because even if you really lost I admire anyone who can lose $100k because I know that I cant and I dont think anyone else on these two forums (VCT AND WOV) can.

[jbjb]

I think Mdawg can have winning sessions of $10k to $20k simply because he makes huge bets.

I think Mdawg could be exaggerating his overall record.

I think he's probably exaggerating being in million dollar tournaments.

I think winning $20k in a week off of free play on 20 cards or winning $30k rivals Bridge sales.

I believe Redietz's claims because they're totally realistic.

I believe Kewlj's claims because they're also realistic.

And back to Mdawg....

If Kewlj is correct and Mdawg lost $100k all I can say is that Mdawg is a very fortunate guy to be able to lose $100k in casinos. We should all be that fortunate.

So congratulations Mdawg. Because even if you really lost I admire anyone who can lose $100k because I know that I cant and I dont think anyone else on these two forums (VCT AND WOV) can.

You also believe in a god which makes you a complete idiot like every other god believer.

[MisterV]

But in order to "create offers that get them $250 each 4 times a week" these folks will have to bet a lot of money over a lot of time, exposing same to the house edge.

Nope, clueless like the rest.

OK, you have to bet a lot of money over a SHORT period of time; I guess I misspoke.

I am having difficulty mastering / understanding the nuts and bolts of this technique so yeah, I guess I am "clueless."

You obviously are a font of knowledge and I thirst for a taste of the sweet waterof winning which seems to cascade effortlessly over you.

Be a good sport and please "clue me in;" otherwise, fuck off.

Thanks.

[redietz]

But in order to "create offers that get them $250 each 4 times a week" these folks will have to bet a lot of money over a lot of time, exposing same to the house edge.

Nope, clueless like the rest.

OK, you have to bet a lot of money over a SHORT period of time; I guess I misspoke.

I am having difficulty mastering / understanding the nuts and bolts of this technique so yeah, I guess I am "clueless."

You obviously are a font of knowledge and I thirst for a taste of the sweet waterof winning which seems to cascade effortlessly over you.

Be a good sport and please "clue me in;" otherwise, fuck off.

Thanks.

While I tend to roll my eyes at some of Dark Oz's more robust initial claims, he does provide info into at least exploring what can be done. MrV, you are not exactly UN material when it comes to holding respectful conversations regarding people who may provide an insight or two.

By the way, back when the Barbary Coast was part of Boyd and part of the weekly NFL handicapping contest with 500K or more in prizes, the economy of scale hinted at by Dark Oz was utilized by some cartels. There were 30,000+ entries in the contest, and I saw a paper grocery bag full of 1100 entries (I asked how many) dropped off at the BC in a contest that ostensibly limited a person to five entries. My understanding was that it was only the second biggest cartel in the contest. So my point is, people have been coordinating massive use of other people's cards forever. In the case of the Boyd football contest, when you did the math, the weekly prizes were going to be 90% the purview of the cartels. They were doing the mathematically effective thing.

[MisterV]

We're not talking about Darkoz and his shit load of different cards from myriad people; above Seedvalue laid out something radically different, i.e. his method of using the cards of only two people, a husband and wife and no others.

"They both create offers that get them $250 each 4 times a week. That’s 500 each visit 4 times a week at 15 casinos."

How many people are degenerate enough AND wealthy enough to put in this type of action, day ina and day out?

Nobody I know or know about would qualify for entry in that limited club but hey, Las Vegas is the last stop on the gambling train so I guess there's a few multi-millionaire couples that could play that way.

Big difference; or as they say, "apples and oranges."

[Treeshade]

We're not talking about Darkoz and his shit load of different cards from myriad people; above Seedvalue laid out something radically different, i.e. his method of using the cards of only two people, a husband and wife and no others.

"They both create offers that get them $250 each 4 times a week. That’s 500 each visit 4 times a week at 15 casinos."

How many people are degenerate enough AND wealthy enough to put in this type of action, day ina and day out?

Nobody I know or know about would qualify for entry in that limited club but hey, Las Vegas is the last stop on the gambling train so I guess there's a few multi-millionaire couples that could play that way.

Big difference; or as they say, "apples and oranges."

How could you possibly pass the bar ? I gave an example a very fucking basic easy to understand one at that. One that shows how a couple could make 30k a week. Some of you are either trolling or complete morons. It’s amazing

[monet]

How could you possibly pass the bar ? I gave an example a very fucking basic easy to understand one at that. One that shows how a couple could make 30k a week. Some of you are either trolling or complete morons. It’s amazing

You are not allowed to call them squares, morons or ploppies.