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  1. #161
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Redietz check what Kewlj wrote.

    How much free play do you get?
    The key word, Alan is currently. How things are now is not the way they always were. They used to send freeplay out in 6 month chunks. To many wiseguys taking advantage so they cut it back. Can you possible understand that?
    Yes. I understand the big free play is from the past.
    As I said before Mickeycrimm, the claims about $30k and $20k are current. If the free play offers of the past no longer exist then the claims need some explanation.

  2. #162
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    I am down to playing machines (VP) at just a very few properties in Vegas these days because as has been mentioned the mailers are now crap at all but a few locations. BUT next time I am playing some VP coin in to generate mailer offers, I am going to call the slot attendant over and tell them they need to have some one check the machine because "the pity timer" is off.
    Time to switch to +EV slot play.
    You shouldn't suggest that I do that because you shouldn't want to create more competition. But I suspect you KNOW that I don't want to do that. It really doesn't interest me. I only got into the VP and mailer game, shortly after I moved to Vegas because an AP that I network with convinced me that not doing so was leaving money on the table. But I always hated playing VP. That is why as soon as my partner came along and got aclamated, I pushed that off on him.

    Now it just so happens that in the last 6 months while I have been taking a break from many of my usual rotation blackjack games, for reasons I am sure you know about, that another AP that I communicate with and am now somewhat friendly with has thrown me some plays to fill some of that void. One of those plays was a (non VP) machine, I would have never wanted or thought to play. I had to be told exactly how to do the play. I hated playing that machine. That is just not me. I am a old school blackjack card counter AP.
    There's so much competition in Vegas that one more person wouldn't even be a blip on the radar.

  3. #163
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Redietz check what Kewlj wrote.

    How much free play do you get?
    The key word, Alan is currently. How things are now is not the way they always were. They used to send freeplay out in 6 month chunks. To many wiseguys taking advantage so they cut it back. Can you possible understand that?
    Yes. I understand the big free play is from the past.
    As I said before Mickeycrimm, the claims about $30k and $20k are current. If the free play offers of the past no longer exist then the claims need some explanation.
    The past in Las Vegas, dimwit. Las Vegas. Not the east coast. There are hundreds of casinos in the country. Quit equating YOUR las vegas freeplay to what is happening in the rest of the country.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  4. #164
    One place where I don't play tables, I'm getting $500 a week in free play and thats in part to these great accumulator slots where you can easily show big loses while winning big. And that's just one card and not multi-carding.

  5. #165
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    you can easily show big loses while winning big.
    Originally Posted by Seedvalue View Post
    It’s called Theo

    Not my problem you don’t understand it

  6. #166
    Really Mickey? Not feeling well so you need to be rude? You surprise me. I've never been rude to you.

    I guess it's just the nature of the forum now.

  7. #167
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Really Mickey? Not feeling well so you need to be rude? You surprise me. I've never been rude to you.

    I guess it's just the nature of the forum now.
    It's the nature of you to be so fucking dimwitted and repeat the same garbage over and over and over and over and over and over again like "well what about the 30k he spent creating the cards, he's just pretending he didn't right?". Anyone who puts in effort to explain anything to you, no matter how basic, eventually just says "fuck it Alan, just believe whatever stupid shit you're predetermined to believe".

    Then you spout off "See, AP isn't real because nobody can explain it."

  8. #168
    Originally Posted by jdaewoo View Post
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Really Mickey? Not feeling well so you need to be rude? You surprise me. I've never been rude to you.

    I guess it's just the nature of the forum now.
    It's the nature of you to be so fucking dimwitted and repeat the same garbage over and over and over and over and over and over again like "well what about the 30k he spent creating the cards, he's just pretending he didn't right?". Anyone who puts in effort to explain anything to you, no matter how basic, eventually just says "fuck it Alan, just believe whatever stupid shit you're predetermined to believe".

    Then you spout off "See, AP isn't real because nobody can explain it."
    Funny watching you come apart at the seams over something like this that means nothing to those with real lives.

    What happened to just calling people "cunt" like the moron that you are?

    So Alan gets under your skin....you dumb menstrual-mouthed fuck.

    Wise up.

  9. #169
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Really Mickey? Not feeling well so you need to be rude? You surprise me. I've never been rude to you.

    I guess it's just the nature of the forum now.
    I feel pretty good, Alan, all things considered. My doctors controlled the tachycardia with the right combination of meds. So I'm doing a lot of walking these days. Knock on wood.

    Now, I've never done the multi-card thing but I get a lot of freeplay amongst several casinos. My neck of the woods doesn't throw out big chunks of freeplay everyday like the east coast. But the overall payback on the games is high. We're talking about 93% slot games which beats the hell out of 85% games on CZR properties. With accumulator slots you can play from farther out on the 93% games.

    Also, I'm not trying to create freeplay offers. I'm exploiting machines straight up. Thats where the money is for me. The competition for plays isn't overbearing. That's why I avoid Las Vegas.

    I take the freeplay as it comes. I usually get it thru email or text these days. They throw it out a month at a time. A text might say I get 4 X 100, which means I get $100 a week for a month. If there is room comp with it I will time the stay so I pick up two loads.

    For instance, first load is 1st thru 7th of month, 2nd load is 8th thru 15th. I'll time the stay so I'm there for both the 7th and the 8th. Or at least a check out day on the 8th. I'm currently doing about 20 comp days a month if I want them.

    And I'm not there just to pick up freeplay. I'm exploiting the accumulator slots...so I'm running action while there. So the freeplay for me is perpetual. I've been getting the same offers for five years now.

    I run the freeplay off a little at a time on positive slot plays. This insure two things:

    1. Investing the freeplay on positive plays means I'm capturing 100% of the freeplay.

    2. By downloading it a little at a time it insures I don't wind up having to run it off in a negative situation. You don't want to get in the trap of busting the play off early and still having a bunch of freeplay to run off when the game is negative.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  10. #170
    Mickeycrimm I'm glad you're feeling better. Stay well.

    By the way, about two weeks after my transplants (13 years ago) I had an ablation to cure my life long tachycardia problem. My son inherited it. He takes the medication but ablation is a cure for 95% of cases.

    I had a tachycardia attack three hours before my transplant surgery. I thought that would cancel my surgery and the organs would go to the next person on the waiting list.

    But to keep me eligible my doctors didnt give me drugs to stop the attack. Instead the two of them strangled me to the point where I almost lost consciousness which reset my heart.

    I'm not kidding.
    Last edited by Alan Mendelson; 05-25-2022 at 06:03 AM.

  11. #171
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Originally Posted by jdaewoo View Post
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Really Mickey? Not feeling well so you need to be rude? You surprise me. I've never been rude to you.

    I guess it's just the nature of the forum now.
    It's the nature of you to be so fucking dimwitted and repeat the same garbage over and over and over and over and over and over again like "well what about the 30k he spent creating the cards, he's just pretending he didn't right?". Anyone who puts in effort to explain anything to you, no matter how basic, eventually just says "fuck it Alan, just believe whatever stupid shit you're predetermined to believe".

    Then you spout off "See, AP isn't real because nobody can explain it."
    Funny watching you come apart at the seams over something like this that means nothing to those with real lives.

    What happened to just calling people "cunt" like the moron that you are?

    So Alan gets under your skin....you dumb menstrual-mouthed fuck.

    Wise up.
    Alan micky has explained the basics to this over and over. There’s hundreds of casinos in the US and many of them give out big offers. It’s not just the east cost. There’s big offers in Oregon , California, Colorado, Florida, Ohio , Michigan basically everywhere. The methods used to unlock these offers differ from property to property. So it’s impossible to give you a cookie cutter plan that can be duplicated over and over. There is some basic things that translate but the casinos are always adjusting to stop marketing abuse. So what works today may not work tomorrow. It’s always been a cat and mouse game. For Guys like Dark and myself this game is what motivates us. Looking for vulnerabilities in the system to make a -ev game turn positive with mail / promotions. It’s not easy, and often you could be testing a theory for 6 months without making anything. But the big scores are so massive it’s worth it.

    This is why you only get small tid bits of information, because it takes a lot of time, money, and effort to figure out the best ways to beat marketing. Yes some places are very easy to create offers. Those places often are quick to kill the card if they identify you as an advantage player. Something simple as playing accumulator slots with free play could end the mail. The current climate is that sensitive. So you will never get the full story of how to do it from anyone who’s doing this at scale. It’s nothing personal just trade secrets most are not willing to give up.

  12. #172
    Originally Posted by Seedvalue View Post
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Originally Posted by jdaewoo View Post

    It's the nature of you to be so fucking dimwitted and repeat the same garbage over and over and over and over and over and over again like "well what about the 30k he spent creating the cards, he's just pretending he didn't right?". Anyone who puts in effort to explain anything to you, no matter how basic, eventually just says "fuck it Alan, just believe whatever stupid shit you're predetermined to believe".

    Then you spout off "See, AP isn't real because nobody can explain it."
    Funny watching you come apart at the seams over something like this that means nothing to those with real lives.

    What happened to just calling people "cunt" like the moron that you are?

    So Alan gets under your skin....you dumb menstrual-mouthed fuck.

    Wise up.
    Alan micky has explained the basics to this over and over. There’s hundreds of casinos in the US and many of them give out big offers. It’s not just the east cost. There’s big offers in Oregon , California, Colorado, Florida, Ohio , Michigan basically everywhere. The methods used to unlock these offers differ from property to property. So it’s impossible to give you a cookie cutter plan that can be duplicated over and over. There is some basic things that translate but the casinos are always adjusting to stop marketing abuse. So what works today may not work tomorrow. It’s always been a cat and mouse game. For Guys like Dark and myself this game is what motivates us. Looking for vulnerabilities in the system to make a -ev game turn positive with mail / promotions. It’s not easy, and often you could be testing a theory for 6 months without making anything. But the big scores are so massive it’s worth it.

    This is why you only get small tid bits of information, because it takes a lot of time, money, and effort to figure out the best ways to beat marketing. Yes some places are very easy to create offers. Those places often are quick to kill the card if they identify you as an advantage player. Something simple as playing accumulator slots with free play could end the mail. The current climate is that sensitive. So you will never get the full story of how to do it from anyone who’s doing this at scale. It’s nothing personal just trade secrets most are not willing to give up.

    Mickey should seriously consider hiring a young videographer to travel with him for a month and get "A Month in the Life" on tape. If it costs 6K or 7K, it'd be worth it just from a legacy standpoint. When he actually retires, it would be great to play with the material, and he could use it as seeding for a documentary, for example, or as a kind of outline for a book. He can always do sit down face-to-the-camera stuff after he's retired. I have a young filmmaker friend who might be able to point me towards the best/cheapest way to recruit a videographer to do that. I bet some film students between their junior and senior years would love a crack at a summer month doing the filming.

    The fact mickey isn't in perfect youthful health at this point probably, I think, makes the story more interesting and compelling.

    That kind of filming has some kinetics to it, as opposed to what I do, which is pretty boring to look at. The only way what I do is in any way compelling is if I have some whackadoodle long shot and I get filmed at different junctures throughout a season where the whackadoodle makes a run.

  13. #173
    Originally Posted by redietz
    Mickey should seriously consider hiring a young videographer to travel with him for a month and get "A Month in the Life" on tape
    Better yet, he should take a young player under his wing and let him / her be his apprentice.

    Pass it on to the next generation.

    You know, like chlamydia.
    What, Me Worry?

  14. #174
    Even if you find the story absurd, the kernel of compelling is there. There was that The King of Kong documentary circa 2007 or 2008 that people found interesting and well made.

  15. #175
    Originally Posted by MisterV View Post
    Originally Posted by redietz
    Mickey should seriously consider hiring a young videographer to travel with him for a month and get "A Month in the Life" on tape
    Better yet, he should take a young player under his wing and let him / her be his apprentice.

    Pass it on to the next generation.

    You know, like chlamydia.
    I didnt know you had shtick.

  16. #176
    From a short trip to AC that members here understand.

    Even assuming I played 85% Caesars games at -EV, which I didn’t I would end up way ahead.

    But “some” people would say this isn’t possible in 2022.

    Imagine finding others willing to sign up to do the same.

    It’s what OZ does to some degree.

    But I definitely didn’t fight his niggers on Must Hits where he gets these guys to play them for pennies.

    That said, still opportunities exist.

    But Alan will say it’s all smoke and mirrors.

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  17. #177
    Whoa!

    I'm lucky to get $20.00 per week in free play.
    What, Me Worry?

  18. #178
    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post
    From a short trip to AC that members here understand.

    Even assuming I played 85% Caesars games at -EV, which I didn’t I would end up way ahead.

    But “some” people would say this isn’t possible in 2022.




    Imagine finding others willing to sign up to do the same.

    It’s what OZ does to some degree.

    But I definitely didn’t fight his niggers on Must Hits where he gets these guys to play them for pennies.

    That said, still opportunities exist.

    But Alan will say it’s all smoke and mirrors.

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    The best part about AC is they ruthlessly shut off cards. So the amateurs who go there just lose their bankrolls. That town really separates the amateurs from the pros. Pretty easy to create the offer almost impossible to keep them
    For most

  19. #179
    Originally Posted by Seedvalue View Post
    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post
    From a short trip to AC that members here understand.

    Even assuming I played 85% Caesars games at -EV, which I didn’t I would end up way ahead.

    But “some” people would say this isn’t possible in 2022.




    Imagine finding others willing to sign up to do the same.

    It’s what OZ does to some degree.

    But I definitely didn’t fight his niggers on Must Hits where he gets these guys to play them for pennies.

    That said, still opportunities exist.

    But Alan will say it’s all smoke and mirrors.

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    The best part about AC is they ruthlessly shut off cards. So the amateurs who go there just lose their bankrolls. That town really separates the amateurs from the pros. Pretty easy to create the offer almost impossible to keep them
    For most
    The old Trop was the worst, they would cut you off after 1 trip of just cashing offers. Caesars historically isn’t as bad but I haven’t tried the Trop since they took over. And don’t know if it’s more old Trop or new Caesars Trop in this regard.

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