https://www.independent.com/2022/07/...t-the-casinos/
Eliot, I have a few questions from the article if you would care to engage.
https://www.independent.com/2022/07/...t-the-casinos/
Eliot, I have a few questions from the article if you would care to engage.
Last edited by kewlJ; 07-18-2022 at 10:53 AM.
Dan Druff: "there's no question that MDawg has been an obnoxious braggart, and has rubbed a ton of people the wrong way. There's something missing from his stories. Either they're fabricated, grossly exaggerated, or largely incomplete".
Jacobson is a raving woke ass libtard lunatic. California snowflake. I had to ban him on Twitter to get that shit out of my feed.
Last edited by mickeycrimm; 07-18-2022 at 11:35 PM.
"More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ
I’m definitely not a fan of Elliots politics but I am a fan of his work...
Below is a story every AP can appreciate. Its the story about when Elliot published his count to beat the Baccarat Dragon 7 side bet. It’s a good story, he explains how the CEO of DEQ told him he had 140 messages from angry table games directors from all over the world he had to call back. Also rumored that DEQ’s largest shareholder dumped half of the stock they owned.
Well, I do admire Jacobson's math work on gambling. To bad he's a flaming liberal.Originally Posted by PositiveVariance
"More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ
Where does he post his politics? I guess maybe I've seen some of it but mostly he just talks about climate change. I had no clue about the guy outside of name recognition until I came across him on twitter.
If you believed his math was good on gaming (when very very few gamblers could even calculate that stuff) then I would suggest to not quickly discard his climate math. These aren't like opinions on societal issues like previous things.
One of the biggest reasons that effective change will never happen within a reasonable timeframe is because so many people on the right see this as a political issue. No, it is going to kill your progeny too dumb mother fucker! Whether directly or indirectly. Only way this doesn't happen is nukes/plague get to us first.
If you guys haven't noticed, we've broke records all across the globe this summer. I'm assuming most of you APs can extrapolate from these things....,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
It is official. Redietz will never be on Dan Druff's podcast. "too much integrity"
China and India pollution will more than negate anything the U.S. does on carbon emissions. Throw in volcanoes and forest fires and you are fucked no matter what the U.S. does. Nothing political to it. Its a fucking money grab. A fucking scam. Are you scared? Shoot yourself in the fucking head.Originally Posted by accountinquestion
"More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ
Shrug. I'm not really judging Americans nor complaining about Mancin or what have you. I try personally just to support those who also legitimately try, but in general I'm kinda over the inevitable. That'd my middle ground where I can feel the best about people and myself.Originally Posted by mickeycrimmChina and India pollution will more than negate anything the U.S. does on carbon emissions. Throw in volcanoes and forest fires and you are fucked no matter what the U.S. does. Nothing political to it. Its a fucking money grab. A fucking scam. Are you scared? Shoot yourself in the fucking head.Originally Posted by accountinquestion
You're not exactly wrong but you leave out the part that there is no chance for this to not happen when people have your attitude. Those in India and China can make the same argument as you - only stronger given their per-capita energy consumption. Clearly I'll hear a form of entitlement from most Americans. Oh well.
Lol I'm not scared. Why do you have to be such a fucking dumb-ass about this? I'm laughing you dumb mother fucker because yall will get yours but TBH you don't have kids AFAIK so why would you give a shit? Much like me. I'm over it.
"money grab". How fucking simple can you possibly be, dude? I mean clearly there are industries who try to make money in the solution because well thats how it all works... but it hasn't been drilled into you by your corporate masters that big oil gets subsidies and is just as much a "money grab".
If I had to guess the climate becomes more and more fucked and hten ecosystems start to die more and more. Then there will be food shortages. You think the rioting was bad? But it won't really matter. This is for keeps or basically given the timescale of man - forever and ever.
Other "money-grabs"
https://www.visualcapitalist.com/cha...uel-subsidies/
https://www.theguardian.com/environm...nute-imf-finds
Of course you can claim it is all liberal this and that but I'd at least research it and not taking the input from corporate masters. IMO it is actually a rightwing thing to be against government subsidies but obviously WTF do I know?
It is official. Redietz will never be on Dan Druff's podcast. "too much integrity"
The earth has been warming and cooling for 4 billion years. A dumb fuck like you thinks he can change that. Ignorant stupid dumb fuck. And you can't fix stupid.Originally Posted by accountinquestionShrug. I'm not really judging Americans nor complaining about Mancin or what have you. I try personally just to support those who also legitimately try, but in general I'm kinda over the inevitable. That'd my middle ground where I can feel the best about people and myself.Originally Posted by mickeycrimmChina and India pollution will more than negate anything the U.S. does on carbon emissions. Throw in volcanoes and forest fires and you are fucked no matter what the U.S. does. Nothing political to it. Its a fucking money grab. A fucking scam. Are you scared? Shoot yourself in the fucking head.Originally Posted by accountinquestion
You're not exactly wrong but you leave out the part that there is no chance for this to not happen when people have your attitude. Those in India and China can make the same argument as you - only stronger given their per-capita energy consumption. Clearly I'll hear a form of entitlement from most Americans. Oh well.
Lol I'm not scared. Why do you have to be such a fucking dumb-ass about this? I'm laughing you dumb mother fucker because yall will get yours but TBH you don't have kids AFAIK so why would you give a shit? Much like me. I'm over it.
"money grab". How fucking simple can you possibly be, dude? I mean clearly there are industries who try to make money in the solution because well thats how it all works... but it hasn't been drilled into you by your corporate masters that big oil gets subsidies and is just as much a "money grab".
If I had to guess the climate becomes more and more fucked and hten ecosystems start to die more and more. Then there will be food shortages. You think the rioting was bad? But it won't really matter. This is for keeps or basically given the timescale of man - forever and ever.
Other "money-grabs"
https://www.visualcapitalist.com/cha...uel-subsidies/
https://www.theguardian.com/environm...nute-imf-finds
Of course you can claim it is all liberal this and that but I'd at least research it and not taking the input from corporate masters. IMO it is actually a rightwing thing to be against government subsidies but obviously WTF do I know?
I get a kick out of you idiots that use the term "climate deniers" to describe people that don't believe the world is in dire straights. You are so full of shit your eyes are brown.
Accountinquestion = Chicken Little
THE SKY IS FALLING!!! THE SKY IS FALLING!!!
Do you know how many people in this country can afford to buy a brand new electric vehicle? Not many you dumb motherfucker. So quit fucking pushing people. There is plenty of time for the technology to develop. Don't expect shit to be done overnight. It's not going to happen for ya. So quit your asinine bitching.
How fucking green are you green pushers anyway? Do you have zero carbon signature? I don't think so. My guess is you are a hypocrite.
"More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ
I'm not sure how the warming and cooling of the earth over millions of years is in any way comparable but sure believe whatever talking points you wish to believe.Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
It is a really simple way to look at it if you completely remove the timeframe from the discussion.
I don't think *I* can change it. I do think humanity could have (at least in theory). I don't think practically this could have ever happened. When I was younger I was a little bit more idealistic about my fellow man.
My purchasing the car has little to do with my wanting to save the planet. TBH I'm not sure that battery powered cars are particularly "sustainable". Low-end electric cars aren't that expensive but again that requires sacrifices and people ain't into doing that. I love the car because its fucking badass in many ways.
Not sure how I'm a hypocrite. I'm just telling you what the science says. Don't shoot the messenger...............
Honestly if you'd just left off the stupid ass "shoot yourself in the head" idiocy I'd been more cordial/professional towards you. Not sure what your deal is. Again, from my perspective it isn't a political thing. Just numbers/science. A few nutty rightwing APs aren't going to convince me to change my mind. Seriously guys. There is a pretty fucking solid global consensus on guys that are just as successful as you but who have studied the subject immensely. Eliot is just talking about the data he comes across and giving his interpretation. I don't see much right/left framing but you guys who have been brainwashed think it is all political. WTFever.
It is official. Redietz will never be on Dan Druff's podcast. "too much integrity"
Originally Posted by accountinquestion
Not one state record temperature was broken in the US last summer. Or this one so far
Through the years I have been pretty hard on Eliot. I used the label "traitor" often. That came about for me because I heard from what has always been a very reliable source, an AP acquaintance, that when Eliot went to the dark side, he provided names and information on a number of top AP's that he knew or was acquaintances of. Eliot denies this occurred and really, looking objectively, I see no evidence that it did. I have not seen one single AP that knew or was acquaintances of Eliots claim they had any trouble as far as backoffs that could be attributed to that. I have to assume that if the accusations against Eliot were true a number of top AP's would have all of the sudden been unable to play. So I have no choice but to dismiss that accusation as hyperbole because one from "our" side went over to the dark side.
Now post Eliot's AP career, things got weird. As the article alludes to, he sort of worked both sides, publishing his book that taught AP's how to beat some of the games, but then went running to the casinos to do private, casino personnel only seminars of how to stop AP's and protect the games against those very AP's that his book helped teach to beat the games. And it looks like that may continue today even in his "retirement" as the article mentions a recent casino seminar this past spring.
Dan Druff: "there's no question that MDawg has been an obnoxious braggart, and has rubbed a ton of people the wrong way. There's something missing from his stories. Either they're fabricated, grossly exaggerated, or largely incomplete".
Trust me I 100% wish the guy was totally wrong but why bullshit myself. I don't have kids to worry about.Originally Posted by kewlJThrough the years I have been pretty hard on Eliot. I used the label "traitor" often. That came about for me because I heard from what has always been a very reliable source, an AP acquaintance, that when Eliot went to the dark side, he provided names and information on a number of top AP's that he knew or was acquaintances of. Eliot denies this occurred and really, looking objectively, I see no evidence that it did. I have not seen one single AP that knew or was acquaintances of Eliots claim they had any trouble as far as backoffs that could be attributed to that. I have to assume that if the accusations against Eliot were true a number of top AP's would have all of the sudden been unable to play. So I have no choice but to dismiss that accusation as hyperbole because one from "our" side went over to the dark side.
Now post Eliot's AP career, things got weird. As the article alludes to, he sort of worked both sides, publishing his book that taught AP's how to beat some of the games, but then went running to the casinos to do private, casino personnel only seminars of how to stop AP's and protect the games against those very AP's that his book helped teach to beat the games. And it looks like that may continue today even in his "retirement" as the article mentions a recent casino seminar this past spring.
It is official. Redietz will never be on Dan Druff's podcast. "too much integrity"
His consulting did stop a few very high level teams. Games that most APs don’t understand how to beat or Just maybe never had the time or desire to learn. The information he shared about the One2Six was particularly damaging. Just another scum bag IMOOriginally Posted by kewlJThrough the years I have been pretty hard on Eliot. I used the label "traitor" often. That came about for me because I heard from what has always been a very reliable source, an AP acquaintance, that when Eliot went to the dark side, he provided names and information on a number of top AP's that he knew or was acquaintances of. Eliot denies this occurred and really, looking objectively, I see no evidence that it did. I have not seen one single AP that knew or was acquaintances of Eliots claim they had any trouble as far as backoffs that could be attributed to that. I have to assume that if the accusations against Eliot were true a number of top AP's would have all of the sudden been unable to play. So I have no choice but to dismiss that accusation as hyperbole because one from "our" side went over to the dark side.
Now post Eliot's AP career, things got weird. As the article alludes to, he sort of worked both sides, publishing his book that taught AP's how to beat some of the games, but then went running to the casinos to do private, casino personnel only seminars of how to stop AP's and protect the games against those very AP's that his book helped teach to beat the games. And it looks like that may continue today even in his "retirement" as the article mentions a recent casino seminar this past spring.
I think With Elliot he’s not for “one side or the other” but rather enjoys using his skill set. It’s hard to explain, as I don’t believe he does it to “show off” - rather he gets satisfaction from displaying it.
If a casino offered him 20k today to come in and tell them where their leaks are, no doubt he would do it.
If an AP told him he has a potential play that would beat the breaks off of a casino that Elliot has previously consulted for and he needed Elliot to go over “the numbers” for a substantial fee, I think Elliot would do it.
As you guys know, Elliot was Phil Ivey’s expert witness in one of his edge sorting cases. There is not a doubt in my mind if Elliot was asked by the Plaintiff, instead of the defense to be the expert witness - No doubt he would do it. Just like any good attorney can make an argument for either side.
From what I understand Elliots AP career came to an end because he couldn’t stomach the variance. This is a reason many can’t be AP’s.
I believe if there was an AP opportunity today with a huge edge with very little variance, I think he would play it, if allowed in the casino.
Ultimately, I think he goes where the “work” is, but not so much for the money. He is not committed to “either side.”
Last edited by PositiveVariance; 07-19-2022 at 12:18 PM.
Originally Posted by PositiveVariance
Variance the Great equalizer
Like I’ve said before many very successful APs come to a point in their life that the need more. The work of an AP is long, lonely at times and without meaning for many. Today these guys go on to teach others for a fee. Back in the day they may go work for the casino. It’s really a personal journey of discovery for them. Once you have a certain amount of money your work needs to have some type of meaning. I always try to encourage guys I know who have had this feeling to open a small business totally unrelated to gambling. Opening a business is something that requires maximum effort and focus. There’s a real sense of accomplishment if things work out and you are creating opportunities and jobs for people.
My problem with former APs who decide to work with casinos is they often are very narcissistic. The have little regard for all the APs they will harm by helping the casinos plug leaks. It’s mostly about them what they know, and how they can build their personal brand. Helping the most predatory industry in the world is not noble work.
Many people don’t like me because of my burn it down approach to plays. I often will hold off for a extended period of time but make no mistake I’m out to inflict maximum losses on these shops. These places need to be beat. It’s also how I personally find meaning in my work. But I would never work for a casino. Not for any amount of money
Many AP's, myself included, develop an "Us vs Them" mentally with the casino industry. And we feel particularly insulted and agitated when one from "our side" crosses over to the dark side.
There is a history of this, including people like Wong and Shackleford doing work for the dark side dating as far back as Lawrence Revere in the 70's. Probably further back than that, but that is where my knowledge begins. People like Wong and Shackleford have managed to maintain some sort of respect or acceptance in the AP community despite working with the other side. Someone like Eliot, who did so much longer, and pretty much as a career, the resentment runs deeper.
I have communicated with Eliot privately on occasion over the past year or so, and find him to be a decent and likeable guy. I don't think he views it like some of the AP's do. Like PostiveVarianve just stated, I think for Eliot, it is just about the math and using his math abilities and expertise to make a living.
Dan Druff: "there's no question that MDawg has been an obnoxious braggart, and has rubbed a ton of people the wrong way. There's something missing from his stories. Either they're fabricated, grossly exaggerated, or largely incomplete".
I am not sure why I was thinking there were 2 “L’s” in Eliot, not going to go back and correct them all, my apologies to Eliot if he reads this...
Even though professors don’t earn Much money teaching for their skill level, the best benefit is being able to retire in your 50’s, often times earning just as much from your pension, as you did teaching. At that point I think it would be fun to buy a nice RV traveling the country beating casinos several months out of the year.
Since Eliot's father invented the modern answering machine and appeared to have a successful career, I’m sure someone was handed down to him.
Last edited by PositiveVariance; 07-19-2022 at 12:55 PM.
My guess is the dude is autistic and doesn't empathize with APs. So he burned the livelihoods of many people. It also suggests why he cares about climate change. Most people don't empathize in a systemic way. It is all anecdotal and interpersonal bullshit.
Anyway, I'm not saying you guys don't deserve to throw his ass in the gutter for the stuff he did.
I came here to post this...
Link talking about server infrastructure being shutdown because inadequate cooling could cause damage.
Yea, nothing to see here... lol so awful.
It is official. Redietz will never be on Dan Druff's podcast. "too much integrity"
I am retired. I am not sure why that doesn't register with some folks here. Fully retired since 2017. Not a penny of income (other than book royalties). I have refused income making opportunities repeatedly, some for substantial amounts. I state quite clearly on my website that if I am contacted by an AP for any reason for a project and I find the project interesting, I will do the work (for free) and post the results. There has only been one case where the AP refused my offer. Twice I've worked for casino corporations on projects, under the condition that they make a donation to the non-profit of my choice in absence of a fee. I continue to output stuff, though clearly at my own pace these days. Willy invited me to present next year at the World Game Protection Conference and it just sounded fun so I accepted. I am not doing it in any professional capacity. I don't take sides. I get emails from APs and casino folks all the time. I answer every email, and do my best to be polite, not always succeeding. As for the one-2-six, I am not sure what some of you think I taught about that, but the glitch that folks exploited for many years was already well-known by the time I presented it in my seminars
As for my politics, I am a-political. My beliefs include some that could be classified as liberal, some conservative, and most anarchist/nihilist. Essentially, I believe politics are irrelevant to the future of humanity and the planet and I've done a lot of work tracking the collapse of everything to back up this claim. Sadly, most environmentalism is just a bunch of bright green lies. Still, I volunteer for the local wildlife care network. I am pro-choice and volunteer for Planned Parenthood. I volunteered at a local TV station producing and directing lots of shows, including several that were distinctly right-wing (anti-vax, pro-life, climate deniers, etc.). My view is that the more stuff gets out there, even stuff I strongly disagree with, the more each of us has to work with to make up our own minds. Many liberals want to shut down free speech and I hate that. I live by the academic perspective, that information does the greatest good in the public domain, a perspective I've lived by my whole adult life.
Cheers all.
Last edited by Eliot; 07-19-2022 at 02:04 PM.
Yes, of course the dissemination of information is a good thing, at least in the abstract, but I am beginning to thing the proliferation of smart devices / hand held 'puters is leading to a form of information overload.Originally Posted by Eliot
Which wouldn't be bad IF people were trained to think critically and weigh and process it accordingly.
But most are not able to do so, relying instead on "trusted" sources to feed them pre-digested opinions.
What, Me Worry?
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